Empiree:
bro, why is your life so miserable?. I am sure you have learned this subject on this platform for 6 years but you still asking this silly question 6yrs later?. This shows you have ulterior motives.

Empiree:
If you need to learn more on this topic there are several articles and videos available to you and stop being nuisance online. Prophet muhammad (SAW) did not marry 9yr old girl. There are evidences pointing otherwise but you rely on solitary Hadith to prove your position. Get over it

Empiree:
Besides, is that 9yr old girl you're daughter?. Why are you so much concerned if you don't have motives?

Empiree:
You are a Catholic. There are priests sleeping with young boys at vatican, the Christian holiest cite for you to sort out instead of sticking your nose here, abi?

true2god:
Don't be angry bro. Mohammed is not Buhari that we we discuss and move on. New generation of Muslims are being taught the life of Mohammed hence it is reasonable to discuss both the good and the ugly side of him.

No Sir! We have a chain of narration that attested to the fact that Aisha was 6 when mohammed married her and was 9 when mohammed started sleeping with her while mohammed was 54 years old. Is it that you no longer believe in 'chains of narrations' or you are just embarrased that your prophet can stoop so low? (See the following Islamic references that didnt support your wrong claim: Sahih Bukhari 3:48:805, Sahih Bukhari 3:48:829, Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236, Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64, Sahih Bukhari 7:62:88, Sahih Bukhari 6:60:274)

Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236

Aisha is not my daughter but it is a child-abuse for a 54-year old man to sleep with a 9-year old girl. Mohammed also called himself the best example for mankind.

I am not a catholic and catholic priests do not call themselves perfect conduct for emulation (which Mohammed did call himself).

Empiree:
Rubbish!

Is this Hadith of the prophet himself?. Guy, I'm not interested in unnecessary arguments. Marriage of Aisha was historical not RELIGION. So story is bound to have inaccuracies. We have evidences otherwise. So get over this trash. You are talking as if you care so much about 6yr old Aisha. Go and worry about corruption in churches. Don't let me bombard you with references. I know that no amount of proofs given to you, you will return here in a week and still speak the same trash again.

true2god:
Provide your counter evidence or keep kwayet! I have given you numerous hadith, your own Islamic source, that proved that Mohammed married a baby and slept with her. For that fact that you don't like what you were told your prophet did doesn't make it false.

Empiree:
First of all, why is it true2god in 21 century is the one having problem with Aisha's marriage to the prophet?. Show us evidence in history where anyone opposed to Aisha's marriage to the prophet or accused prophet of marrying a "child"?.

Please provide proof. We need precedent for your claim. If you can not find proof that anyone including prophet's archenemies condemned the prophet for marrying a child, then whatever you say in modern time is irrelevant. This is your first assignment bcuz I know it is a waste of time giving you evidences.

Here is my question again.

Provide evidence that people in the time of the prophet muhammad (SAW) opposed to their union?.

If there was no opposition and you can provide evidence, then, there is nothing to talk about.

But if you think there were people that opposed to their marriage because Aisha (ra) was "underage", then bring your proof.

true2god:
You have shifted the goal post from denial (of the age of Aisha) to for me to provide proof that the people of Mohammed's time were against the union. This is an irrational request because you are trying to shift the focus of the discussion.

The buttomline is that your own authentic hadith (sahih Muslim and sahih bukhari) recorded that Aisha was 6 years when Mohammed married her but, being so merciful, started having sex with Aisha when Aisha became a girl of 9. Even if the people of Mohammed's time kept quiet, which I doubt, that doesn't make it right or moral.

Our morality and human conscience teach us that a man of 54 years having sex with a girl of 9 is immoral and ungodly. Mohammed should have known better because he called himself the prophet of allah.

Empiree:
Bros, my question is relevant and valid to this topic. Provide a reference for rejection of their union at that time. It is a very simple question. I have more questions but only one question so far makes you shiver. I'm giving you a second chance to give me answer. Since you like to dig into our text then give us evidence that people at the time opposed their marriage based on Aisha's age?. If you don't have answer just tell me so I can help you further

true2god:
Empire I will e-slap you ooo. Why are defending Pedophillia in the name of religion?

Empiree:
Is this your escape route just because you can not answer my question?. It is a very simple question. Why do you think you wanna condemn marriage btw Aisha (ra) and the prophet(saw) despite being taught many times over the years?. You think I am here to waste my time knowing who you are?.

Anyways, prophet Muhammad recognized 6 and 9yr old as a child. It was impossible that he would marry a child who definitely had not reach age of puberty when he said these words:

Prayer (Kitab Al-Salat)

Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As:

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Command your children to pray when they become seven years old, and beat them for it (prayer) when they become ten years old; and arrange their beds (to sleep) separately.



Reference : Sunan Abi Dawud 495
In-book reference : Book 2, Hadith 105
English translation : Book 2, Hadith 495


So question is, had Aisha rechead age of puberty at 6 or 9?. Answer is no. She was considered a child even at the time. So how would prophet married a girl before puberty?. Use your sense. Hadith you quoted is historical not wahy (revelation). In the Quran, God addressed wives of the prophet as WOMEN. A 6 or 9 yr old at the time was not a woman. We also read history that Aisha went to the first battle of Badr before she married the prophet(sw) and rule of thumb was that no one under the age of 15 should accompanied men to the battle. She married the prophet(SAW) after the battle and after Hijra. The Battle of badr was 2 years after hijrah and battle of uhud was 3 years after hijrah. All these are documented in Sahih Bukhari. I know you won't see this because of your selfish interest.

These short articles should help you out and stop quoting solitary hadith to justify your illusion. Do sincere research and stop being a nuisance. THere are several researches on the internet to learn from.

https://medium.com/@talalrafi/was-aisha-9-years-old-when-she-married-the-prophet-muhammad 20ae7516e428#:~:text=Which%20means%20she%20was%20over,in%20looking%20after%20the%20wounded.

https://yaqeeninstitute.org/arnold-yasin-mol/aisha-ra-the-case-for-an-older-age-in-sunni-hadith-scholarship

true2god:
Is it that you no longer believe in Islamic chains of narrations? Is this that sahih Bukhari is no longer sahih? Is it that the hadith below are weak or fabricated?

Sahih Bukhari 3:48:805, Sahih Bukhari 3:48:829, Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236, Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64, Sahih Bukhari 7:62:88, Sahih Bukhari 6:60:274)

Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236

On a side bar, quran 65:4 also talked about marriage and divorce of girl who never had their first menstrual cycle, that is yet to attain puberty. Do you also condemn quran 65:4 as weak or fabricated ayah?

Empiree:
Is this your escape route just because you can not answer my question?. It is a very simple question. Why do you think you wanna condemn marriage btw Aisha (ra) and the prophet(saw) despite being taught many times over the years?. You think I am here to waste my time knowing who you are?.

Anyways, prophet Muhammad recognized 6 and 9yr old as a child. It was impossible that he would marry a child who definitely had not reach age of puberty when he said these words:

Prayer (Kitab Al-Salat)

Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As:

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Command your children to pray when they become seven years old, and beat them for it (prayer) when they become ten years old; and arrange their beds (to sleep) separately.



Reference : Sunan Abi Dawud 495
In-book reference : Book 2, Hadith 105
English translation : Book 2, Hadith 495


So question is, had Aisha rechead age of puberty at 6 or 9?. Answer is no. She was considered a child even at the time. So how would prophet married a girl before puberty?. Use your sense. Hadith you quoted is historical not wahy (revelation). In the Quran, God addressed wives of the prophet as WOMEN. A 6 or 9 yr old at the time was not a woman. We also read history that Aisha went to the first battle of Badr before she married the prophet(sw) and rule of thumb was that no one under the age of 15 should accompanied men to the battle. She married the prophet(SAW) after the battle and after Hijra. The Battle of badr was 2 years after hijrah and battle of uhud was 3 years after hijrah. All these are documented in Sahih Bukhari. I know you won't see this because of your selfish interest.

These short articles should help you out and stop quoting solitary hadith to justify your illusion. Do sincere research and stop being a nuisance. THere are several researches on the internet to learn from.

https://medium.com/@talalrafi/was-aisha-9-years-old-when-she-married-the-prophet-muhammad 20ae7516e428#:~:text=Which%20means%20she%20was%20over,in%20looking%20after%20the%20wounded.

https://yaqeeninstitute.org/arnold-yasin-mol/aisha-ra-the-case-for-an-older-age-in-sunni-hadith-scholarship

Empiree:
Who is Hisham and who is father?. You know them personally?. Tell us how they look?. I have told you that you chose what pleases you. And you have not answered my initial question. I still got more references and questions for you but answer the first one first. It seems you didn't read to digest my previous post. The Quraishi and pagans, even in their enmity, the Meccans of Muhammad's time never accused him of moral ineptitude.

Empiree:
A christian Dr. wrote:
"The current charge that Muhammad took his third wife, Aisha, when she was a minor is based on apocryphal traditions. The preponderance of evidence suggests that Aisha was between 16 and 19 years old when she married Muhammad."

Empiree:
Who opposed Aisha's marriage to prophet at that time?

Empiree:
Did anyone accuse prophet muhammad (SAW) of pedophilism those days?

Empiree:
Answer these questions please. Besides, this Hadith you quoted suggests prophet married Aisha after Khadija. Sawdah bint Zam was his second wife.
Believe whatever you want. But I will keep it simple with you. Aisha(may Allah be pleased with her) was born 613 CE. Battle of badr (the first battle) took place in 624 two years after hijra. There is no historical record to back up solitary Hadith you quoted. There are other historical records about her age. I would have accepted the Hadith if it was attributed to the prophet himself (saw). No one can tell your story like you. In another word, only prophet muhammad (SAW) could tell his story and then, his God.

Empiree:
The bible says,
I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me."

Empiree:
So only prophet himself could tell his story. But I'm not interested in all of these for now. My question was why didn't people at the time criticize prophet's marriage to the Aisha at the time?. Why is true2god having headache with this in 21st century?

true2god:
You asking me who Hisham is is not relevant to this discussion. Your question should have been directed to Imam Bukhari who compiled the authentic hadith being used in all the sunni Muslim world. Direct your anger and question to Imam Bukhari who quoted Ibn Hisham as saying Aisha was 6 years old when Mohammed married her. Didn't you also read the hadith where Aisha said she was 6 when Mohammed married her and was 9 when Mohammed (being 54) started having sex with her? As part of the condition of rejecting or accepting an hadith, that is it must have a chain of narration, which the hadith and info satisfied. Argue with your scholars and not me concerning Aisha's age.

What is the name of this so-called christian doctor and what were his sources?

Abu Bakr and his wife opposed mohammed for the fact that Aisha was like Mohammed's niece and his daughter as well. However mohammed argued that they are not related by blood but only by religion hence made Aisha lawful for him.

Mohammed considered himself the best of mankind and a perfect conduct for emulation. His claim should have been backup with a good action and he should have know better than his contemporaries.

Your mathematical gymnastics and calculation is irrelevant. Aisha and Ibn Hisham's testimonies are enough to establish the fact we are talking about. Provide an alternative hadith that contradicts Aisha's words and testimonies.

Your hadith are oral testimonies of the sahabas of mohammed concerning the words and deeds of mohammed. How do you want to see mohammed's direct words in the hadith, aside being quoted by a third party? Are you sure you are still a Muslim? Your Islamic knowledge seem to be depreciating day by day.

Empiree:
see, I will continue to waste my time obviously. I am the one giving you attention. Point I am trying to raise is, you can not back up solitary Hadith you quoted. It doesn't have historic backing

Empiree:
Recall few years ago when I was trashing your Bible on rilwayne's thread?. I dug up background of almost all known and unknown bible writers to debunk you guys and your fake religion. None of you was able to refute it. You all left the thread. So if you must quote Hadith, be sure you have back up. This is not about sahih bukhari

Empiree:
There are many solitary aHadith that complement other aHadith to form harmonious whole which you lack in your so called research. You are not a researcher. If you are, you would have seen other historical facts against the Hadith. There are many of them. So the Hadith you quoted is not wahy but statement of someone. It is pretty much 3rd third party that has nothing to do with the prophet himself.

Empiree:
And no one said sahih bukhari is 100% valid. So next time be sure you search all aHadith that talk about a topic before you make fool of yourself in public. I know you already made up your mind. So nothing I can say that will change you. I am only posting for future readers, that Anobi Muhammad sallahlah alai wasalam did not marry a 6 yrs old girl.

Empiree:
Finally, let it enter my record and your record that you failed woefully to answer a very simple question.

Empiree:
Here is my question for you TRUE2GOD again in bold:


Please provide evidence that people in those days, whether believers or non-believers including Muhammad's archenemies condemned his marriage to Aisha (ra) based on Aisha's age, or whatever it was?

Empiree:
Did anyone accuse prophet muhammad (SAW) of pedophilism those days?

Empiree:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2002-12-04-0212040054-story,amp.html

In case the link doesn't work, copy and paste this sentence in your Google search to direct you to the page

"The current charge that Muhammad took his third wife, Aisha, when she was a minor is based on apocryphal traditions. The preponderance of evidence suggests that Aisha was between 16 and 19 years old when she married Muhammad."

this is just theory without reference and your theory itself is not tenable. Question above stands

Empiree:
^^

Your case is closed jare. You said you answered but you didn't. Here is my question again.


Prove to me anyone during the time of the prophet who opposed his marriage to Aisha either due to her "underage" or otherwise?.


You can't conclude in 21st century that he was pedophilia when we can't find such allegation in his time. I also asked you for historical breakdown but you can not. Until you can effectively prove there were antagonists then I won't take your serious.

I haven't even started bringing out more proves against yours. Only one question I asked but you failed. Better still, bring one hadith that says xyz set of people were against their marriage.

Have a good day

true2god:
Run run master. You are yet to provide a single Islam source that says Aisha was not 6 when Mohammed married her and 9 when Mohammed started sleeping with her.

However, you have changed the basis of the argument which is 'the people of Mohammed's time didn't condemn his action'. What is your stand, that the age attributed to Aisha was a lie or that it was a norm to marry underaged girls during the time of Mohamed?

Empiree:
the age in the Hadith was a lie and incorrect. Statistic timeline record shows contrary to what Hadith said about her age at the time of marriage. The least that came close to the lowest age was around 11. This was even far from 6 documented. If you study history of hijra, battle of badr, Aisha's age, you get to realize that 6 and 9 didn't come close at all. That was fabricated.

I have given you just one example brekkie but it seems you didn't pay attention. I posted that no one was allowed to join to accompany warriors to the battlefield unless they were 15. Aisha(ra) was accompanied companions to the battlefield but he was not as yet married to the prophet until 2 yrs later. This should have given you a clue adjust. I am so so reluctant to bring these aHadith up bcuz they are scattered all over sahid Bukhari and Muslim. But ahadith that claim she was 6 which islamophobic people capitalized on have no statistics data to back them up.

true2god:


I also gave you surah 65 ayah 4 on child marriage in Islam being sanctioned by allah and his messenger. I don't think you even bothered to read it (together with it associated tafsir).

Empiree:
what are you saying?. That this verse is referring to "child marriage"?. You must be sick

Empiree:
what are you saying?. That this verse is referring to "child marriage"?. You must be sick

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true2god:
Since you longer want to learn I won't be tired teaching you basic Islam. Surah 65:4 talk about waiting period for 3 classes of women before they could remarry. These classes are:

1) Old women who have reached menopuase

2) Women who are pregnant

3) Girls who have never mensurated at all.

Do you notice the third category of people that Quran 65:4 is talking about?