Tao11 goes insane when you beat her to our points after she dedicated her time doing research for it only for her to be beaten by a guy who never put in any effort on any of the research, its annoying


I blame her for her agony and flipping insanity come to think of it, she doesn't mind if the information she found during her research is true or not as long as it supports her ego she will post


Her foolish kingsmen would applaud her to it, after all they are nether from ife or benin so they dont even bother doing their own research as far TAO11 is defending yorubas they will support

Even if we benins plans to remove her head they would still allow her go

samuk:


Lagos (former Benin colony) is currently Yoruba land still by ruled by Oba that claims Benin ancestry.

Several Yoruba false claims have be killed in this one thread.

Benin/connection fallacy destroyed.

Oro Oba Ado lies killed and thrown out of the window.

Very gratifying.

Actually the first written documents talking about the region already show lagos as being a part of Benin empire, just like Warri, Auchi and many other pieces of land. Benin Kingdom (also referred to as Benin empire) was a large kingdom unlike the many villages (e.g ife) which started to call themselves kingdom as soon as the british invaded the region and defeated the militaries of the actual real kingdoms (e.g: Benin empire, Kano emirate, sokoto califate), therefor making it possible for former slaves to call themselves kings.
Indeed, the thing which you guys seem to forget easily is that a huge chunk of the "yorubas" descend from slaves who were deported from the american continent after they were liberated.

The only real kingdom in southern nigeria is called Benin and most if not all "kings" in southern nigeria and some in the midle belt derive their sit of power from the authority of the Oba of Benin.

So please do not dash Lagos to the descendants of the slaves who were dumped there by the british and other europeans. Lagos (as testified by anybody who visited the region in the precolonial era) is a region of Benin.

Contrary to what some people seem to think, Benin city is only the capital of Benin Kingdom ! Just like london is only the capital of england. The queen of england rules over the entire england, not just london. A king rules over his entire kingdom, not just over his capital. Just like there are goveernors in nigeria, in the precolonial era there were "vassals" who were in charge of their respective regions within Benin Kingdom. The ruler of the kingdom being the Oba of Benin. Some of his vassals: Obi of Onitcha, Oba of Lagos, Ataru of Auchi, Olu of Warri ...

Folks, here are some links to the previous page where the Benin lies about Lagos were devastatingly debunked.

This
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/9#96323798

And this
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/9#96334238

Amongst others on the page.
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It is my pleasure that you all now know better. Your continued support and appreciation of my comments (with those “likes” and “shares” ) speaks volume.

Your massive like and share reactions have continued to serve the intended purpose of confirming to me that the days of Benin lies are over.

Someday soon, I will be trashing another lie from another Benin liar. I’m focusing on one Benin liar at a time.

Thank you all!


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PS:
Lest I forget to say something in relation to the so-called argument from the moniker below me:

(1) Did you notice that there is also no Bight of UK, etc.? Shall we conclude then that Benin is for that reason greater? Haha! — What a reasoning!?

Another perspective to this is that the name “Guinea“ is the name for every part of the West Africa forest region.

Shall we then conclude that the West African country, Guinea was an empire; or that it was a/the super power of West Africa? Haha! — Dumb reasoning galore! Lol.


(2) Moreover, contrary to your ignorance; Ife was mentioned precisely by its name as: “Ifé” in Morié’s 1897 “Les Civilisations Africaines: La Nubie (Éthiopie Ancienne)” where he was citing a 1666 French pamphlet as his source.

So relax @Prolog, I already know it’s you with a new and disguised moniker. You are truly a bandit.

@macof come see @Prolog with his latest moniker.

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NB: The said 1666 French pamphlet which Morié cites from is, itself, a translation of an older Arabic text which relates a old Coptic tradition about certain later-deified historical personages from “Ifé” [Ifẹ̀], such as: “Chango” [Ṣàngó], “Ogoun” [Ògún], et al.

cc: LegendHero, RuggedSniper

To those who want to argue and argue and argue: please locate the following things:

1) bight of ife
2) ife river
3) bight of oyo
4) oyo river
5) oyo bronze
6) any precolonial text showing any such thing as an "ife army"
7) Any mention of ife in the 18th century
8 ) precolonial palace of ife

History is not science fiction, you discover history, you don't create it.
I know the usual suspects will respond with countless lies. But well, dump people love to lie. Smart people love work with the truth.

So the trolls, I trust you will activate your trolling at its highest. Have fun. At least you all got to hear the truth. A thing many of you are unfamiliar with.

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bandit9000:


Actually the first written documents talking about the region already show lagos as being a part of Benin empire, just like Warri, Auchi and many other pieces of land. Benin Kingdom (also referred to as Benin empire) was a large kingdom unlike the many villages (e.g ife) which started to call themselves kingdom as soon as the british invaded the region and defeated the militaries of the actual real kingdoms (e.g: Benin empire, Kano emirate, sokoto califate), therefor making it possible for former slaves to call themselves kings.
Indeed, the thing which you guys seem to forget easily is that a huge chunk of the "yorubas" descend from slaves who were deported from the american continent after they were liberated.

The only real kingdom in southern nigeria is called Benin and most if not all "kings" in southern nigeria and some in the midle belt derive their sit of power from the authority of the Oba of Benin.

So please do not dash Lagos to the descendants of the slaves who were dumped there by the british and other europeans. Lagos (as testified by anybody who visited the region in the precolonial era) is a region of Benin.

Contrary to what some people seem to think, Benin city is only the capital of Benin Kingdom ! Just like london is only the capital of england. The queen of england rules over the entire england, not just london. A king rules over his entire kingdom, not just over his capital. Just like there are goveernors in nigeria, in the precolonial era there were "vassals" who were in charge of their respective regions within Benin Kingdom. The ruler of the kingdom being the Oba of Benin. Some of his vassals: Obi of Onitcha, Oba of Lagos, Ataru of Auchi, Olu of Warri ...

You are very correct and just to add..

These former slaves that were liberated in Europe and America and dumped in Lagos were not all originally from the Nigeria area. They were slaves that were captured across Africa. Most of these people assimilated themselves into the neighbouring Yoruba tribes and used their western education to start organising the Yoruba people in the 1800s into what we know today. They also wrote the early history of Yoruba.

samuk:
Right now I see a lot of disappointments for madam lecturer from those genuine readers that came here to read real history and not made up stuffs but ended up being taught rubbish. History is created not made up on the computer by misrepresenting and misinterpreting old writings.

You just don't wake up and claim 1485 Organe as Ife or 12th century Yufi in Zimbabwe as Ife because you want to make Ife look older than it is.

Her latest is an interpretation of Coptic text that referenced Ife of 1666.

Next it will be Greek, Latin and Roman interpretations that show Ife to be in existence before the birth of Jesus christ. Nothing can be put beyond her when it comes to fabrications of historical accounts.

You don't claim that the Oba of Benin are buried in Ife and deceive the white people to come and start digging a supposed burial site which was found to contain no human bones.

When the Yoruba on this forum are cornered and taught real history by the Benin, they start to sneak out one by one, their aunty, the queen of copy and paste citations is usually the last to leave. After leaving quietly, she starts digging up more stuffs and misrepresented them for another opportunity to take on the Benin again. Her ignorant supporters will start cheering her up at the beginning only for reality and disappointments to later set in. They run out to fight another day.

Imagine somebody actually thinking that Benin copy the Oba title from Yoruba. As just demonstrated with Lagos history which their lecturer couldn't wiggle out of, Benin kingdom owned and controlled must part of southern Nigeria her influence was heavily felt in the middle belt. Most southern monarchies were copied from Benin.

For one of her students to even state that the history they know is that Benin was heavily under Yoruba shows the level of ignorance on nairaland.

It's like arguing that the Romans copied the monarchical system from Britain. It's only an ignorant person that doesn't know that Rome came before Britain and that Britain was under Roman control that will believe this.

Any reasonable person can understand why early Europeans that visited Benin as early as 1485 would have found it difficult to write omo no oba or omo n oba ne Edo ukuakpolokpolor instead of just simply writing the equivalent king in their various Portuguese, German/Dutch languages in which early Benin history were written by the Europeans. As anglicised as Benin sounds it had various spellings from early European writings. Some spelt it as Beny, Benij etc. Even Lagos was spelt lago.

Ogane is a mythical kingdom which never existed. The europeans were having a crusade, so some of them went looking for a mythical christian king: the king of ogane. Ofcourse no such ogane was ever found.

TAO11:


The 1666 French pamphlet itself is a translation of an Arabic text relating an ancient Coptic tradition about certain now-deified personages from Ife.

Right now I see a lot of disappointments for madam lecturer from those genuine readers that came here to read real history and not made up stuffs but ended up being taught rubbish. History is created not made up on the computer by misrepresenting and misinterpreting old writings.

You just don't wake up and claim 1485 Organe as Ife or 12th century Yufi in Zimbabwe as Ife because you want to make Ife look older than it is.

Her latest is an interpretation of Coptic text that referenced Ife of 1666.

Next it will be Greek, Latin and Roman interpretations that show Ife to be in existence before the birth of Jesus christ. Nothing can be put beyond her when it comes to fabrications of historical accounts.

You don't claim that the Oba of Benin are buried in Ife and deceive the white people to come and start digging a supposed burial site which was found to contain no human bones.

When the Yoruba on this forum are cornered and taught real history by the Benin, they start to sneak out one by one, their aunty, the queen of copy and paste citations is usually the last to leave. After leaving quietly, she starts digging up more stuffs and misrepresent them for another opportunity to take on the Benin. Her ignorant supporters will start cheering her up at the beginning only for reality and disappointments to later set in. They run out to fight another day.

Imagine somebody actually thinking that Benin copy the Oba title from Yoruba. As just demonstrated with Lagos history which their lecturer couldn't wiggle out of, Benin kingdom owned and controlled must part of southern Nigeria, her influence was heavily felt in the middle belt. Most southern monarchies were copied from Benin.

For one of her students to even state that the history they know is that Benin was heavily under Yoruba shows the level of ignorance on nairaland.

It's like arguing that the Romans copied the monarchical system from Britain. It's only an ignorant person that doesn't know that Rome came before Britain and that Britain was under Roman control that will believe this.

Any reasonable person can understand why early Europeans that visited Benin as early as 1485 would have found it difficult to write omo no oba or omo n oba ne Edo ukuakpolokpolor instead of just simply writing the equivalent king in their various Portuguese, German/Dutch languages in which early Benin history were written by the Europeans. As anglicised as Benin sounds, it had various spellings from early European writings. Some spelt it as Beny, Benij etc. Even Lagos was spelt lago.

samuk:
Right now I see a lot of disappointments for madam lecturer from those genuine readers that came here to read real history and not made up stuffs but ended up being taught rubbish. History is created not made up on the computer by misrepresenting and misinterpreting old writings.

You just don't wake up and claim 1485 Organe as Ife or 12th century Yufi in Zimbabwe as Ife because you want to make Ife look older than it is.

Her latest is an interpretation of Coptic text that referenced Ife of 1666.

Next it will be Greek, Latin and Roman interpretations that show Ife to be in existence before the birth of Jesus christ. Nothing can be put beyond her when it comes to fabrications of historical accounts.

You don't claim that the Oba of Benin are buried in Ife and deceive the white people to come and start digging a supposed burial site which was found to contain no human bones.

When the Yoruba on this forum are cornered and taught real history by the Benin, they start to sneak out one by one, their aunty, the queen of copy and paste citations is usually the last to leave. After leaving quietly, she starts digging up more stuffs and misrepresented them for another opportunity to take on the Benin again. Her ignorant supporters will start cheering her up at the beginning only for reality and disappointments to later set in. They run out to fight another day.

Imagine somebody actually thinking that Benin copy the Oba title from Yoruba. As just demonstrated with Lagos history which their lecturer couldn't wiggle out of, Benin kingdom owned and controlled must part of southern Nigeria her influence was heavily felt in the middle belt. Most southern monarchies were copied from Benin.

For one of her students to even state that the history they know is that Benin was heavily under Yoruba shows the level of ignorance on nairaland.

It's like arguing that the Romans copied the monarchical system from Britain. It's only an ignorant person that doesn't know that Rome came before Britain and that Britain was under Roman control that will believe this.

Any reasonable person can understand why early Europeans that visited Benin as early as 1485 would have found it difficult to write omo no oba or omo n oba ne Edo ukuakpolokpolor instead of just simply writing the equivalent king in their various Portuguese, German/Dutch languages in which early Benin history were written by the Europeans. As anglicised as Benin sounds it had various spellings from early European writings. Some spelt it as Beny, Benij etc. Even Lagos was spelt lago.

Her desperation is top notch...

In this interview with the Oba of Lagos.. the interviewer(a Yoruba) expressly said that Lagos was conquered and named eko by the Benin Empire.. the oba didn't object to it or attempt to correct her, which means that it was true


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i83Sa-HptDQ

Go to time stamp 0:52

And in this second video at time stamp 5:00, the oba clearly states that the first oba of Lagos is a Benin person and talks about the rituals they do in respect to the Oba of Benin... Tao is clearly trying to change history but it's not working for her


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno

AreaFada2
Bandit900
Gregyboy
Valirex
Juliusmalema

Etinosa1234:

Her desperation is top notch...

In this interview with the Oba of Lagos.. the interviewer(a Yoruba) expressly said that Lagos was conquered and named eko by the Benin Empire.. the oba didn't object to it or attempt to correct her, which means that it was true


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i83Sa-HptDQ

Go to time stamp 0:52

And in this second video at time stamp 5:00, the oba clearly states that the first oba of Lagos is a Benin person and talks about the rituals they do in respect to the Oba of Benin... Tao is clearly trying to change history but it's not working for her


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno

AreaFada2
Bandit900
Gregyboy
Valirex

She can't, she's totally baseless

She wouldn't learn, trying to fool her brothers to believe benin-ife existed so ahe can boast on yoruba ego.....

I have really not seen any ife person on nairaland i guess ife is a typical village even the ooni regrets staying and probably thats why he is always off on various occasions on Tinubu's demand

But we will be having drunkards from the different yoruba state defending a town they wont even visit till they die all for what yoruba pride......

Mugu and cowardice at its best.....

samuk:


You are very correct and just to add..

These former slaves that were liberated in Europe and America and dumped in Lagos were not all originally from the Nigeria area. They were slaves that were captured across Africa. Most of these people assimilated themselves into the neighbouring Yoruba tribes and used their western education to start organising the Yoruba people in the 1800s into what we know today. They also wrote the early history of Yoruba.

The large Yoruba slave population made it easy for any other slaves that lost their origin to get dumped with Yoruba slaves in Lagos. Some Lagosians of today even left Sierra Leone, another major dumping ground to Lagos for opportunities. We must remember that this is just over 200 years ago. Not long ago. Before that only Benin administrative genius that got Lagos to where it was then.

The fact that Yoruba were so comfortable selling themselves into slavery shows they were a bunch of divided, warring, loosely related tribes.

Those that came under Benin like Eastern Yorubaland, Lagos, Ijebu and others were luckier in organisation.

Oyo administrative skills that came much later was copied from Benin. But Oyo was more interested in selling slaves as it began growing in 1680s. Barely 140 years later, Fulani have already overran it. Its empire was very shortlived.

Some will argue how Oyo administration was copied from Benin. They Will suddenly forget how and when Oyo chiefdom was first founded before it grew.
Etinosa
Gregyboy
Valirex
Samuk

AreaFada2:

The large Yoruba slave population made it easy for any other slaves that lost their origin to get dumped with Yoruba slaves in Lagos. Some Lagosians of today even left Sierra Leone, another major dumping ground to Lagos for opportunities. We must remember that this is just over 200 years ago. Not long ago. Before that only Benin administrative genius that got Lagos to where it was then.

The fact that Yoruba were so comfortable selling themselves into slavery shows they were a bunch of divided, warring, loosely related tribes.

Those that came under Benin like Eastern Yorubaland, Lagos, Ijebu and others were luckier in organisation.

Oyo administrative skills that came much later was copied from Benin. But Oyo was more interested in selling slaves as it began growing in 1680s. Barely 140 years later, Fulani have already overran it. Its empire was very shortlived.

Some will argue how Oyo administration was copied from Benin. They Will suddenly forget how and when Oyo chiefdom was first founded before it grew.
Etinosa
Gregyboy
Valirex
Samuk

I really admire your historical knowledge.

AreaFada2:

The large Yoruba slave population made it easy for any other slaves that lost their origin to get dumped with Yoruba slaves in Lagos. Some Lagosians of today even left Sierra Leone, another major dumping ground to Lagos for opportunities. We must remember that this is just over 200 years ago. Not long ago. Before that only Benin administrative genius that got Lagos to where it was then.

The fact that Yoruba were so comfortable selling themselves into slavery shows they were a bunch of divided, warring, loosely related tribes.

Those that came under Benin like Eastern Yorubaland, Lagos, Ijebu and others were luckier in organisation.

Oyo administrative skills that came much later was copied from Benin. But Oyo was more interested in selling slaves as it began growing in 1680s. Barely 140 years later, Fulani have already overran it. Its empire was very shortlived.

Some will argue how Oyo administration was copied from Benin. They Will suddenly forget how and when Oyo chiefdom was first founded before it grew.
Etinosa
Gregyboy
Valirex
Samuk

They will learn real history, not fabricated garbage.

They are telling everyone how Ife and Ooni are important to the Yoruba race but the Ooni is only a spiritual leader on paper because the spiritual leader of more than half of the Yoruba people including their obas who are muslims is the Sultan of Sokoto.

It's the Sultan of Sokoto that have to sight the moon and give them the go ahead to start their yearly Islamic festivities. Imagine the Oba of Benin waiting for the Sultan of Sokoto to give him the go ahead to commence the annual Igue festival.

The Oba of Benin remains the spiritual head of all Benin people. Benin monarch can't be compared to any Yoruba Oba.

samuk:


They will learn real history, not fabricated garbage.

They are telling everyone how Ife and Ooni are important to the Yoruba race but the Ooni is only a spiritual leader on paper because the spiritual leader of more than half of the Yoruba people including their obas who are muslims is the Sultan of Sokoto.

It's the Sultan of Sokoto that have to sight the moon and give them the go ahead to start their yearly Islamic festivities. Imagine the Oba of Benin waiting for the Sultan of Sokoto to give him the go ahead to commence the annual Igue festival.

The Oba of Benin remains the spiritual head of all Benin people. Benin monarch can't be compared to any Yoruba Oba.

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Wow! See flood of sorrow, pain, and tears everywhere! Haha

My best thread in a long while! ... We meouvve!

AreaFada2:

The large Yoruba slave population made it easy for any other slaves that lost their origin to get dumped with Yoruba slaves in Lagos. Some Lagosians of today even left Sierra Leone, another major dumping ground to Lagos for opportunities. We must remember that this is just over 200 years ago. Not long ago. Before that only Benin administrative genius that got Lagos to where it was then.

The fact that Yoruba were so comfortable selling themselves into slavery shows they were a bunch of divided, warring, loosely related tribes.

Those that came under Benin like Eastern Yorubaland, Lagos, Ijebu and others were luckier in organisation.

Oyo administrative skills that came much later was copied from Benin. But Oyo was more interested in selling slaves as it began growing in 1680s. Barely 140 years later, Fulani have already overran it. Its empire was very shortlived.

Some will argue how Oyo administration was copied from Benin. They Will suddenly forget how and when Oyo chiefdom was first founded before it grew.
Etinosa
Gregyboy
Valirex
Samuk

Pls bring proof that Benin ever conquered the Ijebu. Abeg.

gomojam:
Pls bring proof that Benin ever conquered the Ijebu. Abeg.

I think the jebu were an independent kingdom.

gomojam:
Pls bring proof that Benin ever conquered the Ijebu. Abeg.

The historian Samuel Johnson made the following claim in his book:

"The origin of the Ijebus has been variously given ; one account makes them spring from the victims offered in sacrifice by the King of Benin to the god of the ocean, hence the term Ijebu from Ije-ibu, i.e., the food of the deep. The Ijebus themselves claim to have descended from Oba-nita, as they say of themselves, "Ogietiele, eru Obanita," i.e., Ogetiele, servants of Obanita. But who was this Oba-nita? Tradition says he also was a victim of sacrifice by the Olowu or King of Owu." - Samuel Johnson, The History of the Yorubas, pp. 18-19

samuk:


The historian Samuel Johnson made the following claim in his book:

"The origin of the Ijebus has been variously given ; one account makes them spring from the victims offered in sacrifice by the King of Benin to the god of the ocean, hence the term Ijebu from Ije-ibu, i.e., the food of the deep. The Ijebus themselves claim to have descended from Oba-nita, as they say of themselves, "Ogietiele, eru Obanita," i.e., Ogetiele, servants of Obanita. But who was this Oba-nita? Tradition says he also was a victim of sacrifice by the Olowu or King of Owu." - Samuel Johnson, The History of the Yorubas, pp. 18-19

So this is your proof? You are not serious.

samuk:


The historian Samuel Johnson made the following claim in his book:

"The origin of the Ijebus has been variously given ; one account makes them spring from the victims offered in sacrifice by the King of Benin to the god of the ocean, hence the term Ijebu from Ije-ibu, i.e., the food of the deep. The Ijebus themselves claim to have descended from Oba-nita, as they say of themselves, "Ogietiele, eru Obanita," i.e., Ogetiele, servants of Obanita. But who was this Oba-nita? Tradition says he also was a victim of sacrifice by the Olowu or King of Owu." - Samuel Johnson, The History of the Yorubas, pp. 18-19

Very interesting.

The reports I read describe jebu as an independent kingdom which had a friendly relationship with Benin and whose traders often made the travel into some regions of Benin Kingdom to trade with the international community.

bandit9000:
The reports I read describe jebu as an independent kingdom which had friendly relationship with Benin and whose traders often made the travel into some regions of Benin Kingdom to trade with the international community.

Samuel Johnson is the foremost Yoruba historian whose book was completed in 1897 and published 1921. It also depends on when the report you read was published. Don't forget that some modern historians will always try to whitewash and present their history in good light, omitting part that they see as embarrassment.

gomojam:
So this is your proof? You are not serious.

You asked for a prove, I gave you quotation from the book written by the daddy of Yoruba history and foremost Yoruba historian Reverend Samuel Johnson.

What else were you expecting. Do you or can you use people as sacrifice without first subjugating and conquering them?

When your sister referenced the same Samuel Johnson earlier in the thread, you applauded her without objection.

gomojam:
Pls bring proof that Benin ever conquered the Ijebu. Abeg.

There is a town in ogun state founded by a benin monarchy

samuk:


You asked for a prove, I gave you quotation from the book written by the daddy of Yoruba history and foremost Yoruba historian Reverend Samuel Johnson.

What else were you expecting. Do you or can you use people as sacrifice without first subjugating and conquering them?

When your sister referenced the same Samuel Johnson earlier in the thread, you applauded her without objection.

"Daddy of Yoruba history" Why are you Benin Nairalanders so hypocritical? You think I do not know what am doing?

So you want me to accept Johnson's book as the holy truth because it massages your ego, but whenever Tao11 quoted Egharevba, Your own "Daddy of history," to support his factual points of Ife/Benin connection, you discredited her with a mere word of mouth without bringing forth a countering evidence. You even accuse your Omonnoba of being ignorant of his own personal ancestry.

You see why I laughed it off and never took you serious. You want to play the game and be the referee at the same time. It's not done!

I cannot be wasting my time on closed minded people jare.

gomojam:
"Daddy of Yoruba history" Why are you Benin Nairalanders so hypocritical? You think I do not know what am doing?

So you want me to accept Johnson's book as the holy truth because it massages your ego, but whenever Tao11 quoted Egharevba, Your own "Daddy of history," to support his factual points of Ife/Benin connection, you discredited him with a mere word of mouth without bringing forth a countering evidence. You even accuse your Omonnoba of being ignorant of his own personal ancestry.

You see why I laughed it off and never took you serious. You want to play the game and be the referee at the same time. It's not done!

I cannot be wasting my time on closed minded people jare.

Perfect reply! The delusional clown is simply desperate to get himself consoled in any way he can. Haha!
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To comment on the said account however, for your sake:

The account is evidently unsubstantiated and unfounded in the traditions of those Ijebu-Ode people themselves as his own quotation shows. . His desperation and pain therefore becomes even more palpably perceptible and evidently laughable.

First of all, it is a grand demonstration of ignorance to describe S. Johnson as a “historian”. All of his education and professional training were specifically in the line of becoming a pastor.

Pastor Johnson, at the later stages in his life, however decided to begin collecting traditional accounts, etc. all around the Yoruba country from diverse Yoruba subgroups.

This specific account which talks about the Ijebu-Ode people was obviously not collected from the Ijebu-Ode people themselves, nor did he collect it from the Binis.

From the text and context of this account as Pastor Johnson has documented it here, this account thus appears clearly to have come from the Owu people.

This background information on the origin of this account thus casts light on why this specific account makes these claims.

A consideration of the details of the Owu War tells of how the home-kingdom of the Owu people (Owu-Ipole) was sacked and grounded (never to be rebuilt till date) by a combined army of Ife and Ijebu-Ode. ~ See S. Johnson (completed 1897), Chapter VIII, page 210 as embedded below for reference:

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[This foregoing embedded image also debunks an ignorant claim made somewhere above by a ”bandit” who claimed there was no mention of an Ife army in any writing prior to when Nigeria became a colony of the British in 1914].


In fact, some 50 odd years before S. Johnson’s work, an 1845 French publication specifically makes mention of how the King of Owu himself was taken captive in this war by the Ijebu-Ode army. ~ See page 37 of D'Avezac’s “Notice Sur Le Pays Et Le Peuple Des Yébous En Afrique” as embedded below for reference:

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In the light of this understanding, it thus becomes evidently clear that the account under discussion (about the Ijebu-Ode people) is simply a mere swipe by the Owus on their conqueror, ‘oppressor’, and archenemy.

cc: macof, LegendHero, scholes0, RedboneSmith, MetaPhysical, Juliusmalema, DenreleDave

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I almost forgot to mention that the embedded French text which I cited above is another direct pre-1900 writing (published 1845 to be precise) which identifies a Yoruba monarch as “Oba”.
cc: Afam4eva.

Peace!

So far we have made two references from same Reverend Samuel Johnson's book. The history of the Yorubas.

1. On the origin of the Ijebus
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2. Their later war exploits over Owu

You want your readers to accept one of the quotes that suits you and discard the second quote from the same book.

Your history telling is all about nitpicking what suits your narratives.

First reference to Ijebu Origin by S. Johnson..the history of the Yorubas.

"The origin of the Ijebus has been variously given ; one account makes them spring from the victims offered in sacrifice by the King of Benin to the god of the ocean, hence the term Ijebu from Ije-ibu, i.e., the food of the deep. The Ijebus themselves claim to have descended from Oba-nita, as they say of themselves, "Ogietiele, eru Obanita," i.e., Ogetiele, servants of Obanita. But who was this Oba-nita? Tradition says he also was a victim of sacrifice by the Olowu or King of Owu." - Samuel Johnson, The History of the Yorubas, pp. 18-19

Second reference to Ijebu later war exploits by S. Johnson. The History of the Yorubas.

TAO11:

A consideration of the details of the Owu War tells of how the home-kingdom of the Owu people (Owu-Ipole) was sacked and grounded (never to be rebuilt till date) by a combined army of Ife and Ijebu-Ode. ~ See S. Johnson Chapter VIII, page 210 as embedded below:

History is replete with accounts of former slaves coming of age and growing enough muscle to defeat their former masters in wars. Maybe you should read more on the almighty Roman army and the barbarian Germanic tribes.

Ijebu defeat of Owu in later years doesn't discount the Yoruba history of their slave origins.

As to Gomojam that ask for evidence of Benin conquering Ijebu.

I repeat, you can't use people as sacrifices unless they are first conquered.

From me to samuk: Let the red-hot tears keep flowing baby ...

Haha!

BTW, enjoy the 1845 written account below which identifies a Yoruba monarch as ”Oba”. cc: Afam4eva, RedboneSmith, Juliusmalema
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12731840_ae85bcaef9dd445ca85d72e09966f0c7_jpeg_jpeg38f9b234c7d52aa93a4ec1e3aba0d27e

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(1) Any evidence of a pre-Johnsonian “‘Owu’ vs ‘Ife + Ijebu’ war” ??

Me: Yes! See: (a) Independent corroborations from Ife, from Ijebu, and from the vanquished/dispersed Owus themselves, among other evidence.

See also: (b) D'Avezac’s 1845 publication written more than 50 years before Johnson’s.
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(2) Any evidence to substantiate the post-war account (of Ijebu-origin) as related by the vanquished/dispersed Owus, via Johnson, to us ??

Samuk: Eeeerrrrmmm ... (long silence ... scratches head as he said): “nnnnnnnnO but since the vanquished Owus related it, via Johnson, to us; then it must be true”.

Me: ok! ... (but I actually died while struggling to hold back my uncontrollable laughter)

cc: gomojam

TAO11:
Perfect reply! The delusional clown is simply desperate to get himself consoled in any way he can. Haha!
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To comment on the said account however, for your sake:

The account is evidently unsubstantiated and unfounded in the traditions of those Ijebu-Ode people themselves as his own quotation shows. . His desperation and pain therefore becomes even more palpably perceptible and evidently laughable.

First of all, it is a grand demonstration of ignorance to describe S. Johnson as a “historian”. All of his education and professional training were specifically in the line of becoming a pastor.

Pastor Johnson, at the later stages in his life, however decided to begin collecting traditional accounts, etc. all around the Yoruba country from diverse Yoruba subgroups.

This specific account which talks about the Ijebu-Ode people was obviously not collected from the Ijebu-Ode people themselves, nor did he collect it from the Binis.

From the text and context of this account as Pastor Johnson has documented it here, this account obviously comes from the Owu people.

This background on the source of this account thus casts light on why this specific account makes this claims.

A consideration of the details of the Owu War tells of how the home-kingdom of the Owu people (Owu-Ipole) was sacked and grounded (never to be rebuilt till date) by a combined army of Ife and Ijebu-Ode. ~ See S. Johnson Chapter VIII, page 210 as embedded below:

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In fact, some 50 odd years before S. Johnson’s work, an 1845 French publication specifically makes mention of how the King of Owu himself was taken captive in this war by the Ijebu-Ode army. ~ See page 37 of D'Avezac’s “Notice Sur Le Pays Et Le Peuple Des Yébous En Afrique” as embedded below for reference:

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In the light of this understanding, it thus becomes evidently clear that the account under discussion (about the Ijebu-Ode people) is simply a mere swipe by the Owus on their conqueror, ‘oppressor’ and arch-enemy.

cc: macof, LegendHero, scholes0, RedboneSmith, MetaPhysical, Juliusmalema, DenreleDave

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PS:
I almost forgot to mention that the embedded French text which I cited above is another direct pre-1900 writing (1845 to be precise) which identifies a Yoruba monarch as “Oba”.
cc: Afam4eva.

Peace!

Respect!