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Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by anonymous1759(m): 10:31am On Nov 27, 2020
GBTYO:



Which country to country purchase?

The Super Tucano is manufactured by Brazilian Embraer Aircrafts.

Why didn't your stupid Buhari approach Brazil but rather approached a US Pentagon contractor who only purchased the aircraft from Brazil and installed US avionics at twice the cost from Embraer?

This deal stank from the very beginning

The only reason it had to go through Trump is because US arms sales law dictate that the US State department must vet every foriegn deal involving US based contractors .

This deal was a crooked compensation package by Buhari and APC to the Obama and Clinton's for putting him in power and was only faccilited with Trump in office via Obama and Clinton holdovers in both the State department and DoD.

Who outsources every aspect of their defense system to one nation ?

Who fcking does that?




This deal stinks.



The deal might be Tricky but Obama and Clinton didn't install Buhari as president. I didn't remember when Obama and Clinton came to vote in Nigeria . Tinibu and the South west made buhari president. Buhari has lost 3 times before he alligned with Tinibu . Stop making unguided Analogy.
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by Elsueno: 10:31am On Nov 27, 2020
GBTYO:
The Super Tacano is a lightweight turboprop multirole combat aircraft more suited for air to ground support and surviellance missions.

It requires very short runway for take off and landings .


What in God's name are these idiots talking about specialized runway when the aircraft can even land in remote jungle grass fields?

The fact that they approached the US instead of the main manufacturer (Embrar) in Brazil just shows how corrupt, stupid and criminally insane these idiots running the armed forces are.

LMAO, More wisdom to you my brother grin

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Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by GBTYO: 10:33am On Nov 27, 2020
SEGLIZ:
this is so dumb an excuse from such claimed intelligent men. what is the weight and size of a super tucano that we won't have a run way to accommodate it?
besides where is it done that you sign an agreement or contract, you in turn lose your money or consignment because you don't have the facility on ground to hold your consignment?
what does this dumb polithiefcian take us for?


Virtually all military aircrafts accommodate for shorter runway take offs and are low to accommodate for quick arming , embarking and disembarking without requiring ground support services.


The idiot NgPatriot is defending rubbish and think he is smart by changing his own defense of this scam.

One minute he is defending the upgrade of Kainji to receive the aircraft next he is contradicting himself posting videos of the same aircraft taking off from a dirt runway.

These APC paid zombies ehhn!
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by 0taPiaPia(m): 10:34am On Nov 27, 2020
They have turned the whole stuff to betnaija slip.
5 games don play and e remain 2 make the ticket green.
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by litaninja(m): 10:38am On Nov 27, 2020
Are you daft?
What is the ignorance here-mentioned?

arent88:
look at how u confidently spewed ignorance.
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by masseratti: 10:38am On Nov 27, 2020
GBTYO:

At least you admitted that the deal began under Obama but was rejected by the US Senate.

Case Closed.
but you said Obama was getting it for his friend meanwhile it was trump who made the deal... Let's face the issue at hand. 9 billion naira for something we already paid for?
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by od501: 10:40am On Nov 27, 2020
bid4rich:


Source: https://punchng.com/nigeria-may-lose-493m-paid-to-procure-fighter-jets-senate/


Are you even sure they bought that jet at all?! That was how one of the NIGcom SATs got missing in space that year, so they told any way, was I there?
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by Maxfe: 10:41am On Nov 27, 2020
Reincarnation is when a dead came back to life in another body.

Here is a case study.

https:///pbUsoj-1di
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by GBTYO: 10:43am On Nov 27, 2020
anonymous1759:




The deal might be Tricky but Obama and Clinton didn't install Buhari as president. I didn't remember when Obama and Clinton came to vote in Nigeria . Tinibu and the South west made buhari president. Buhari has lost 3 times before he alligned with Tinibu . Stop making unguided Analogy.

Obama did all he could to frustrate the war on terror in the NE going all the way to not only block US arm sales but also that from any other country.

He will later order a freeze on US buying Nigeria crude and his then secretary of state, Clinton refused to designate BH as a terrorist organization and even claimed that they had "genuine grieviance against the Nigerian state".

Then there is the fun part that Obama borrowed Buhari his own campaingn manager and even his "change" slogan from 2008.

And we must not forget how John Kerry who replaced Clinton will state openly that the only result of the election the US is interested in is a change in adminstration . This statement Kerry made when he barged into Nigeria unannounced and univited to meet with opposition figures without even trying to use a diplomatic cover . Not forgetting how Micheal [sic] Obama weaponized the #BBOG to paint the GEJ adminstration as incompetent and unwilling to protect Nigerians when they were doing all to frustrate the war on BH.

The DNC crooks under Obama, Clinton and Kerry alongisde their financial backers in AIPAC alongside Saudi Arabia foisted this satanic govt on Nigerians out of their own selfish , corrupt and neo liberal agenda.

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Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by ZooOga: 10:43am On Nov 27, 2020
who really knows the absolute truth? some brown envelope journalists and looting nass members are unreliable

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_314_Super_Tucano#cite_note-94
Nigeria
In November 2013, Nigeria has shown interest in acquiring twelve brand new Super Tucanos. Three aircraft were already bought from the Brazilian Air Force inventory in 2017.[85] In April 2017, the United States indicated that it would be moving forward with a deal to sell up to 12 of the aircraft for up to US$600 million, ending delays that had been caused by human-rights concerns.[86] In August 2017, the US Department of State had approved of the sale of 12 aircraft and associated supplies and weapons.[87][88][89][90]

In November 2018, Nigeria purchased 12 Super Tucanos from Sierra Nevada for $329 million, six of which are to be fitted with forward-looking infrared systems. The aircraft are scheduled to be completed in May 2024.[91][92][93][94]
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by Zenithpeak(m): 10:46am On Nov 27, 2020
GBTYO:
The Super Tacano is a lightweight turboprop multirole combat aircraft more suited for air to ground support and surviellance missions.

It requires very short runway for take off and landings .


What in God's name are these idiots talking about specialized runway when the aircraft can even land in remote jungle grass fields?

The fact that they approached the US instead of the main manufacturer (Embrar) in Brazil just shows how corrupt, stupid and criminally insane these idiots running the armed forces are.


What else would you have me say when you have already done justice in addressing the myopia of our leaders.

We told them in 2018 that only sincerity of purpose and political will fuelled with determination to arrest insecurities in our country is the only way to win the needless bloodbath ravaging the country not Super Tucano..... but the urge to to embezzle fund and keep the insurgency alive as a cash cow to easily milk us dry is their motivation.

Now they needed another #9Billion urgently for personal use hence they the need to hinge it on Super Tucano to avoid public outcry.

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Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by PAWG(m): 10:46am On Nov 27, 2020
Fear the military, civilians feel say dem sabi loot, they don't know they're learning.
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by GBTYO: 10:48am On Nov 27, 2020
masseratti:
but you said Obama was getting it for his friend meanwhile it was trump who made the deal... Let's face the issue at hand. 9 billion naira for something we already paid for?

I said the deal was already concluded in 2015 between Obama and Buhari.

By 2016 the deal was ratified by Trump after it was pushed to his table by Obama holdovers.

Trump in keeping with MAGA, approved it since on paper it was a sweet deal for a US military contractor which Trump campaigned on promoting.
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by faste: 10:50am On Nov 27, 2020
SenecaTheYonger:
Yes, if Biden becomes president they will surely lose it.

Republicans were willing to sell because they love money. But Democrats will consider the human right abuse angle of such a weapon in the hands of primitive people, so they probably won’t sell to our government
I pray the us revoke this deal cos this jet in the hands of fulani army is a threat to the indigeneous people of nigeria;Bokoham and banditry have com to stay,the army has been infiltrated.Human right group should write to the incoming biden administration.
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by seangy4konji: 10:56am On Nov 27, 2020
Almost half a billion dollars...need additional 9 billion..

Do you pay for a car when you have no road to drive it
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by Yankee101: 10:58am On Nov 27, 2020
You get refunded your money not lost

Except you're not telling us the whole story
N9bn will build and entirely new airport. Remember the biggest cost in construction is equipment (available already locally) and labout ( one of the cheapest in the world, infact below poverty level, near slave-like)
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by SunTzu123(m): 11:08am On Nov 27, 2020
GBTYO:



Which country to country purchase?

The Super Tucano is manufactured by Brazilian Embraer Aircrafts.

Why didn't your stupid Buhari approach Brazil but rather approached a US Pentagon contractor who only purchased the aircraft from Brazil and installed US avionics at twice the cost from Embraer?

This deal stank from the very beginning

The only reason it had to go through Trump is because US arms sales law dictate that the US State department must vet every foriegn deal involving US based contractors .

This deal was a crooked compensation package by Buhari and APC to the Obama and Clinton's for putting him in power and was only faccilited with Trump in office via Obama and Clinton holdovers in both the State department and DoD.

Who outsources every aspect of their defense system to one nation ?

Who fcking does that?

This deal stinks.

To make it worse, many Nigerians are not even aware that the plane was designed for training! It's not a "fighter jet": it uses turbo propeller engine. It would have been bae in World war II.
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by SeunNotOwner: 11:12am On Nov 27, 2020
Tucano Jet Does not require 80% good runway, one can even land it in the desert


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZSIn5arKUE

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Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by waleadeagb(m): 11:13am On Nov 27, 2020
It just amazes me how everybody is talking about this super tucano as if that's the obstacle obstructing Nigeria from winning this malady against the Boko Haram.

Please note very well that we don't need Super Tucano to win this war but the enthusiasm of the Nigeria army devoid of corruption and nepotism.

Chad and Niger Republic single handedly dealt a deadly blow to Boko Haram during the first tenure of this gadem Buhari and that was the only positive response to be credited to winning the war against Boko Haram ever since. Nigeria army only came to do mop up and cleaning action after the Chad and Niger army have decimated the Boko Haram.....

Nigeria army needs determination, encouragement and good leadership.....leadership of the armed forces and not the present crops of politician posing as Army chief etc.....devoid of corruption. Real General and not general that has never led a fight against an internal insurgency talkless of war against one.

Though buying Super Tucano is good but it takes a discipline and dogged armed forces to maintain and keep them in the air always. It needs intelligent cos it's a modern smart aircraft fighter. Just like you have an android phone that could a lot, same and even more than expected that the super Tucano can do as explained by my previous friends above. You don't get careless with this aircraft or the craft will get careless with you....it's simple as that....it's humanoid crafted and highly sensitive to maneuvering and attacks especially anti insurgency attacks and guided missiles launching. It's an asset but must be well handled by disciple and resourceful army which so sad we don't have presently.

Please note that In addition to its manufacture in Brazil, Embraer, the manufacturer of super Tucano also set up a production line in the United States in conjunction with Sierra Nevada Corporation for the manufacture of A-29s to market for Export purposes specifically. Even the Pentagon had to purchase their first set of Tucano from Sierra Nevada corporation despite the fact that it's an organisation inside the US.

As interesting as that sounds, no country can purchase ammunitions or such fighter equipment without passing through the Pentagon. Pentagon controls everything ammunitions even though they might not be the manufacturer. Also note that the Embraer, Brazil doesn't sell super Tucano to countries directly but through Sierra Nevada corporation in the US, the Exports Manufacturing Zone of Embraer Brazil. Much to talk about if we should continue..... however, the super Tucano we are buying from Brazil is 3 used Tucano......fairly used cos that's what Brazil has but the one we are buying from US are newly built. Even Brazil still buys Tucano from US even though it's Brazil manufacturer that's has it......


***Moreover, the aircraft can also operate in remote and un-paved airfield while the maximum speed of the aircraft is approximately 590 kilometres per hour.

The Embraer Contract Negotiator, Mr Eneias de Souza Freitas said, “the Brazilian Ministry of Defence has informed them that it has approved the sale of 3 Super Tucano A-29 aircraft to Nigeria.**"
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by Fredmatic(m): 11:18am On Nov 27, 2020
NGpatriot:


The manufacturer of the Tucano that we paid for and that we are getting is Sierra Nevada based in the US hence US government and Pentagon approval for weapons sale.

We paid the US government directly and we obtained receipt from the US government, Brazil is irrelevant and a non factor as fer as this Tucano deal is concerned, they are building and testing the Tucanos we paid for in Florida, USA.





Is like you have a comprehension issue, and don't understand what the other guy is trying to let you know
He said Nigeria gorverment ought to have buy or deal with the manufacturer in Brasil directly and not passing through US using usa contractor. That is his point .

But you keep saying the deal is with usa and keep show directory link and deal Nigeria made with the usa about the fighter jet. Who is arguing that? Can't you read and understand simple argument?

You can be so annoying
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by anonymous1759(m): 11:20am On Nov 27, 2020
GBTYO:


Obama did all he could to frustrate the war on terror in the NE going all the way to not only block US arm sales but also that from any other country.

He will later order a freeze on US buying Nigeria crude and his then secretary of state, Clinton refused to designate BH as a terrorist organization and even claimed that they had "genuine grieviance against the Nigerian state".

Then there is the fun part that Obama borrowed Buhari his own campaingn manager and even his "change" slogan from 2008.

And we must not forget how John Kerry who replaced Clinton will state openly that the only result of the election the US is interested in is a change in adminstration . This statement Kerry made when he barged into Nigeria unannounced and univited to meet with opposition figures without even trying to use a diplomatic cover . Not forgetting how Micheal [sic] Obama weaponized the #BBOG to paint the GEJ adminstration as incompetent and unwilling to protect Nigerians when they were doing all to frustrate the war on BH.

The DNC crooks under Obama, Clinton and Kerry alongisde their financial backers in AIPAC alongside Saudi Arabia foisted this satanic govt on Nigerians out of their own selfish , corrupt and neo liberal agenda.



I understand your point. Obama may have wanted GEJ out . He ( Obama ) has every right to support who ever he wants. Truth to be told only Nigerians can decide who rules them . Do you think people in remote Areas In Nigeria are aware that John Kerry visited Nigeria or heard what Obama said?

We decide our leaders in Nigeria through Religion and ethnicity card . The USA didn't have much effect on our election as you claim. Buhari has been scoring millions of vote in the north since time immemorial they love him based on Religion and his Nepotic nature .
Buhari could have still lost to pdp without the help of south west even if the entire USA supports him.
USA can't stop Russia from selling weapons to Nigeria. We can buy arms from any country of our choice that are not alies with the United States.
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by arent88(m): 11:27am On Nov 27, 2020
litaninja:
Are you daft?
What is the ignorance here-mentioned?

your dad really did a poor job raising you.
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by NSK4U(m): 11:28am On Nov 27, 2020
Buhari is incompetent

Now, old age has even made his incompetence more disastrous

Old age and active leadership cannot accompany each other in a sentence

Tinubu will be worse than Buhari as he too has lost the vigour to talk let alone put talk into action.
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by Burgerlomo: 11:31am On Nov 27, 2020
dawnomike:
Is this country possessed or what?
So no inspection of runway before plans and payment...?
Okay kwontinu

Don't mind them
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by Burgerlomo: 11:32am On Nov 27, 2020
Naija don enter one chance

Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by Dpharisee: 11:36am On Nov 27, 2020
GBTYO:
The Super Tacano is a lightweight turboprop multirole combat aircraft more suited for air to ground support and surviellance missions.

It requires very short runway for take off and landings .


What in God's name are these idiots talking about specialized runway when the aircraft can even land in remote jungle grass fields?

The fact that they approached the US instead of the main manufacturer (Embrar) in Brazil just shows how corrupt, stupid and criminally insane these idiots running the armed forces are.
As a fighter Jets enthusiast I am more shocked than you seeing this kind of headline in a country of 200m people, few idiots playing with everyone intelligence.
The main selling point of Super Tuccano is ability to land and take off in non conventional airstrips as a ground support aircraft. N9b for runway just for Tucano grrrr!
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by Goldencheese(m): 11:40am On Nov 27, 2020
AsiwajuNdigbo:


I wired $493m to purchase a war boat.
I then realized my dock is not deep enough to harbour the boat. Oh well, shikena, Ive lost the $493m be dat.

Lol.

Waiting on zombies to blame ipob for the shallow dock.


If our military strategists could not determine specs and user and system requirements ahead of a big dollar purchase like this, how is their strategy to operate the aircraft equipment against bokoharam reliable? If they miscalculate on landing requirements they might miscalculate target and drop bombs in civilian urban centers thinking its bokoharam territory.

It is ipob fault.

Standing ovation. Take it. Your sagacious head is well screwed on your luxurious neck. You said it all in addition to what other brilliant Nigerians have said in earlier comments.

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Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by Shenky(m): 11:43am On Nov 27, 2020
GBTYO:
The Super Tacano is a lightweight turboprop multirole combat aircraft more suited for air to ground support and surviellance missions.

It requires very short runway for take off and landings .


What in God's name are these idiots talking about specialized runway when the aircraft can even land in remote jungle grass fields?

The fact that they approached the US instead of the main manufacturer (Embrar) in Brazil just shows how corrupt, stupid and criminally insane these idiots running the armed forces are.
see ehn just leave this people.. if you keep thinking about how Nigeria is being run you will run mad. And let me add that you shouldnt believe all the things we read on here bc our jounalism in Nigeria is so wack, i believe they dont have the complete story bc this whole news does not make any sense to me at all.. N9b to build runway for take off, so anywhere the aircraft dey land them must still build another runway for it to land abi grin
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by Wettoid123: 11:47am On Nov 27, 2020
This country is really a joke why not do feasibility study first before purchasing I tire for naija!
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by Gval123: 12:07pm On Nov 27, 2020
Lolz. Nigeria my country
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by Tekrify(m): 12:15pm On Nov 27, 2020
The aircraft are to be stationed in kainji..Inshort the US engineers are building all the necessary structure to accommodate the jet over there..there is absolutely no way those jet will be moved to Lagos or which ever place you mentioned cuz the facilities to cater it aren't there..my problem is...Why did the airforce not get that runway fixed since..it now we are expecting delivery by 1st quarter of 2021...dey suddenly remembered
SunTzu123:


Kanji airport is not ok? What of the runway in Lagos? Abuja? PortHarcourt? Kano? Sokoto? So NAF does not have hangar in any other airport except Kanji?
So you pay someone (US for that matter) for turbo planes, they collect money, and tell you; sorry Sir, your runway is not ok. We will chop yaa money. Chai! Thank you NAF for this wonderful revelation.
Re: Nigeria May Lose $493m Paid To Procure Fighter Jets —senate by Tekrify(m): 12:16pm On Nov 27, 2020
Get ur self educated..a runway serves for both landing and take off... besides.9 billion is just to rehabilitate it ..this is a fucking runway not a road...u will need atleast 20 billion to build a standard one
Shenky:

see ehn just leave this people.. if you keep thinking about how Nigeria is being run you will run mad. And let me add that you shouldnt believe all the things we read on here bc our jounalism in Nigeria is so wack, i believe they dont have the complete story bc this whole news does not make any sense to me at all.. N9b to build runway for take off, so anywhere the aircraft dey land them must still build another runway for it to land abi grin

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