tollyboy5:


All religious account I read on Christianity leads back to re the sun God of Egypt .

Interesting.

Indeed, Christianity is a combination of fakery and falsehood.

The ancient Egyptians was never cited in any of these foreign extremist religions and yet they copied, plagiarised, falsified our intellectual property.

And to add insult to injewelry, these foreign extremist ideologies took it upon themselves in an audacious attempt of demonizing their own sources.

tollyboy5:


How come the west African ancestors never made any autographical record like the Sumerians and the Egyptians?

Africans invented paper and invented the ink pen.

When the olden days Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers began their distruption, they wagged war on African literacy.

When was your most recent visit to a museum.

What is that important that people would rid off their earned cash to visit places such as that?

A museum that holds unlawfully obtained artefacts is the aftermath of desecration and intellectual warfare.

Amujale:


These are some of the reasons that the bible is fake, false and counterintuitive.

me I'm not there o!

By your own admission, you say many of the stories are similar to those of Abrahamic religious text.

I don't want to jump into conclusion on that sir. Even though there are big secrete to be unvieled I'm of limited knowledge to do that.
I once got seven book of moses , gospel of Barnabas , gospel of Mary years back. I was reading some sort of variantions from them before I discard them. I have little idea on the politics the romans played with religion but I won't be in haste to conclude anything .

And that's correct, however many of the Sumerian tales aren't anything to right home about.

Sir if the Sumerian tablet are nothing to write home about . what have our own ancestors written ?
The Sumerians account on nibirus and their drawing of the solar system should not be discarded as nothing to write home about.
Do expect people discard information from people who knew how to make tablet and follow west Africa legends that never read or write.

As I said earlier, these are tales of Asian origin, hence it has no bearing to the African.

The only interest that arise from the Assyrians and Akkadians is when one goes into real history.

All there tales and stories are of no interest to people such as me.

Yes, I have studied them in the context that it warrants but that's all that would ever be, in that context of study to compare and contrast.

Mmm. I won't totally agree with your conclution because these thing needs a careful research thanks for time. I'll visit the thread when its day break

tollyboy5:


Sir if the Sumerian tablet are nothing to write home about . what have our own ancestors written ?

Our?

You aren't sounding continental.

Again, perhaps you didn't get it at first, Africans invented paper and they invented the ink pen.

What does that tell us?


That tells us that Africans are the first people to become literate.

Our parents are the ones who conceived the concepts of literacy and numeracy.

tollyboy5:

Many legends has similar story and the bible has it own of the Noah times.
Do the western Africa predates these legends?

Noah story is fake and counterintuitive.

All these Abrahamic religious stories are meant to brainwash people into disregarding reality.

What us MUST begin to partake now is to bin all those false narratives from these foreign extremist ideologies from our consciousness and concentrate our focus on reality.

Amujale:


Noah story is fake and counterintuitive.

Let say good night for now. I think I have to go back to kemet science and see what understanding I could get.
But I'll always refuse the ife legend anyday anytime. We're all on this research together no ife should claim supremy origing over ijebu on this Matter

tollyboy5:

But I'll always refuse the ife legend anyday anytime. We're all on this research together no ife should claim supremy origing over ijebu on this Matter

As a self proclaimed royalist, I have to disagree with you on that note.

All that I know, and all that I think I know was inherited to me by my parents, heroes and ancestors.

I have no appetite for those who wish to throw our parents under a bus.

tollyboy5:

You just aired my view. Ife unite us and we are one Yoruba. But tao chose the part of we all coming from ife.
I've read some Yoruba history in the past. Those history where mostly about Oyo empire. So I don't really accept history touching ijebu while capitalizing on Oyo .
I'll watch the videos she shared on this thread later. I'm not after Benin vs Yoruba supremacy struggle here. I'm after the migration from middle east. I looking for a better history covering roman conquest and Arabian conquest forcing people out of their land.

Interesting

tollyboy5:

me I'm not there o!


I don't want to jump into conclusion on that sir. Even though there are big secrete to be unvieled I'm of limited knowledge to do that.
I once got seven book of moses , gospel of Barnabas , gospel of Mary years back. I was reading some sort of variantions from them before I discard them. I have little idea on the politics the romans played with religion but I won't be in haste to conclude anything .

Sir if the Sumerian tablet are nothing to write home about . what have our own ancestors written ?
The Sumerians account on nibirus and their drawing of the solar system should not be discarded as nothing to write home about.
Do expect people discard information from people who knew how to make tablet and follow west Africa legends that never read or write.

Mmm. I won't totally agree with your conclution because these thing needs a careful research thanks for time. I'll visit the thread when its day break

Awesome point on the sumerian people who were also known as blackhead people. Their contibution to world writing in cuneform and other innovation such as agriculture produce ,beer production etc,make history gave them a lot of recognition in Mesopotamia via archaeological finds.

Olu317:
Awesome point on the sumerian people who were also known as blackhead people. Their contibution to world writing in cuneform and other innovation such as agriculture produce ,beer production etc,make history gave them a lot of recognition in Mesopotamia via archaeological finds.

Thats the issue. Same way they give more research and reference to Egypt .
But there is nothing to reference in west Africa yet people want to prove humans from west never migrated from east Africa.
Yet they couldn't explain further

Yet you want to blame the Europeans for your not able to do some historic writings in southwest

tollyboy5:

Thats the issue. Same way they give more research and reference to Egypt .
But there is nothing to reference in west Africa yet people want to prove humans from west never migrated from east Africa.
Yet they couldn't explain further

Yet you want to blame the Europeans for your not able to do some historic writings in southwest

I dont engage a lot of people anymore because they are limited with knowledge. Funnily, it is only on NL, you find ignorant in a field of specialisation that arguing with a researcher on the subject matter is the ordeer of the day.So, I stop exchanging chats with ignorants.

Olu317:
I dont engage a lot of people anymore because they are limited with knowledge. Funnily, it is only on NL, you find ignorant in a field of specialisation that arguing with a researcher on the subject matter is the ordeer of the day.So, I stop exchanging chats with ignorants.

I wish people were more open minded to fact. All Im seeing were just supremacy battle here.
I might also be wrong but I need someone who has knowledge so we'll reason positively .
I'm inviting my friend to my next thread . we talked today and he told me Sumerian tablet is one of the oldest tablet found.

Considering the repeated slander, misrepresentation, and sheer straw-man of my position by tollyboy-the-impostor (who also admitted to being a historical illiterate); I implore every fair reader here to visit the link below and see firsthand for themselves what my (scientific) position is on the origin of the Ife-Yoruba people and of all Yoruba people for that matter:

In other words; contrary to his lies, misrepresentations, and straw-man of my position:

(1) I never claimed that the Ife-Yoruba people literally descended to Ile-Ife from the sky.

(2) Neither did I claim anywhere that all Yorubaland was peopled from Ile-Ife.

Rather, I simply echoed the prevailing historical position — which is based on archaeological, linguistic, and ethnographic evidence — that:

(1) The “Yoruba” language, cultural identity, and hence people was first evolved around the banks of the Middle-Niger — mostly in the area of the Niger-Benue confluence and above it.

(2) Following the southward and westward spread of these “Yoruba” peoples from that initial centre to their respective locations; the Ife-Yoruba people became the first to foster a highly civilized polity — Ife thus emerged as a commercial and military power in the region, as well as a center of fluorescence.

(3) Ife evolved what is now known as “monarchy” and its princes and peoples thus fanned out in different waves of kingdom-founding migrations to establish monarchies upon and amidst the different Yoruba-subgroups (and some non-Yoruba subgroups) who have (generally-speaking) also already long occupied their respective autochthonous lands.

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Lastly, I then clarified that the different honorific epithets reserved for Ife in the extant traditional accounts of the diverse Yoruba-subgroups actually relate originally to these historical realities about Ife.

These historical realities include its early primacy and imperialism in our region, as well as the diverse waves of kingdom-founding migrations that went out of it.

Some of these honorific epithets reserved for Ife in the extant traditional account of the diverse Yoruba subgroups (as well as of some non-Yoruba subgroups) include:

Orirun [The source], Ondaiye [The architect of [our] world], and Ibi ojumo tii mo wa [Whence comes illumination (lit. dawn)], amongst others.

Peace!

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tollyboy5:

I wish people were more open minded to fact. All Im seeing were just supremacy battle here.
I might also be wrong but I need someone who has knowledge so we'll reason positively .
I'm inviting my friend to my next thread . we talked today and he told me Sumerian tablet is one of the oldest tablet found.

Yes, a supremacy battle for Afrocentric Yoruba who do not have any kowledge on Ideograms or ancient form of writing codes yet these ignorants claim Africa is where the world begun from. And I laugh at these people because of their limited knowldge.
In the ancient world archeology finds,these Sumerians as the pioneer writers on cuneiform, clay tablets which seemingly make them oldest inventors in wriiting and other forms of human development. And the western world archeologists did not claim that the Sumerians were Caucasians. Yet, you will see people without knowledge in semitic writing(Isolate language) or as ideograms interpreter on NL disagreeing on what tbey dont have knowledge on. This is the shocking amazement for me. So, I stopped enaging a lot of them.

Cheers

TAO11:
Considering the repeated slander, misrepresentation, and sheer straw-man of my position by tollyboy-the-impostor (who also admitted to being a historical illiterate); I implore every fair reader here to visit the link below and see firsthand for themselves what my (scientific) position is on the origin of the Ife-Yoruba people and of all Yoruba people for that matter:

In other words; contrary to his lies, misrepresentations, and straw-man of my position:

(1) I never claimed that the Ife-Yoruba people literally descended to Ile-Ife from the sky.

(2) Neither did I claim anywhere that all Yorubaland was peopled from Ile-Ife.

Rather, I simply echoed the prevailing historical position — which is based on archaeological, linguistic, and ethnographic evidence — that:

(1) The “Yoruba” language, cultural identity, and hence people was first evolved around the banks of the Middle-Niger — mostly in the area of the Niger-Benue confluence and above it.

(2) Following the southward and westward spread of these “Yoruba” peoples from that initial centre to their respective locations; the Ife-Yoruba people became the first to foster a highly civilized polity — Ife thus emerged as a commercial and military power in the region, as well as a center of fluorescence.

(3) Ife evolved what is now known as “monarchy” and its princes and peoples thus fanned out in different waves of kingdom-founding migrations to establish monarchies upon and amidst the different Yoruba-subgroups (and some non-Yoruba subgroups) who have (generally-speaking) also already long occupied their respective autochthonous lands.

————————
Lastly, I then clarified that the different honorific epithets reserved for Ife in the extant traditional accounts of the diverse Yoruba-subgroups actually relate originally to these historical realities about Ife.

These historical realities include its early primacy and imperialism in our region, as well as the diverse waves of kingdom-founding migrations that went out of it.

Some of these honorific epithets reserved for Ife in the extant traditional account of the diverse Yoruba subgroups (as well as of some non-Yoruba subgroups) include:

Orirun [The source], Ondaiye [The architect of [our] world], and Ibi ojumo tii mo wa [Whence comes illumination (lit. dawn)], amongst others.

Peace!

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WORD! Thanks for the brilliant post TAO11!

RuggedSniper:
WORD! Thanks for the brilliant post TAO11!

You’re welcome sir!

Olu317:
Yes, a supremacy battle for Afrocentric Yoruba who do not have any kowledge on Ideograms or ancient form of writing codes yet these ignorants claim Africa is where the world begun from. And I laugh at these people because of their limited knowldge.
In the ancient world archeology finds,these Sumerians as the pioneer writers on cuneiform, clay tablets which seemingly make them oldest inventors in wriiting and other forms of human development. And the western world archeologists did not claim that the Sumerians were Caucasians. Yet, you will see people without knowledge in semitic writing(Isolate language) or as ideograms interpreter on NL disagreeing on what tbey dont have knowledge on. This is the shocking amazement for me. So, I stopped enaging a lot of them.

Cheers

That's wise of you bro.

Scoffers don't solve academic problems, figures from AI biodiversity Teller machine is no provenance to an archeological claim of a hundred of a thousand years.

Clever omission of the Yoruba rallying point from Yoruba history is the new trick to beat doing the job. It's a great science of conformity to evolution. Opportunity cost?

With it, Edo can be silenced of her new found desire to have share in Oduduwa via ekhalediran, and then the obnoxious "pseudohistorians" shut out where they rightly belonged.

The atheistic recollection of the Yoruba history is here. How it solve the problem still beats me though.

RuggedSniper:
WORD! Thanks for the brilliant post TAO11!

She completely wrote nonsense yoruba originating from the niger benue area.... Lol


That's is the latest origin formulated by foreign historians to make ife and yoruba look west African indigenous not only that the niger benue migration was linked to yorubas so they can say
Oghene nuhe was really ooni at the time in niger benue areas


I see lies everywhere

Samuk
Valirex

2prexios:


That's wise of you bro.

Scoffers don't solve academic problems, figures from AI biodiversity Teller machine is no provenance to an archeological claim of a hundred of a thousand years.

Clever omission of the Yoruba rallying point from Yoruba history is the new trick to beat doing the job. It's a great science of conformity to evolution. Opportunity cost?

With it, Edo can be silenced of her new found desire to have share in Oduduwa via ekhalediran, and then the obnoxious "pseudohistorians" shut out where they rightly belonged.

The atheistic recollection of the Yoruba history is here. How it solve the problem still beats me though.

Hmm see plans

Valirex
AreaFada2
Etinosa1234
Samuk

gregyboy:


Hmm see plans

Valirex
AreaFada2
Etinosa1234
Samuk

Lol

gregyboy:


Hmm see plans

Valirex
AreaFada2
Etinosa1234
Samuk

Well, they began implementing confusionist plans long ago. But Propaganda eventually loses steam and overtaken by truth.
To Benin there is nothing spectacular about Oduduwa. Assuming that Oduduwa even existed, Benin only showed interest believing it was their long lost prince. A Benin man on the street going about his business today despite being very historically conscious, has no much awareness of Oduduwa. Whereas all know of various ogiso kings that existed a millennium before supposed Oduduwa.

AreaFada2:

Well, they began implementing confusionist plans long ago. But Propaganda eventually loses steam and overtaken by truth.
To Benin there is nothing spectacular about Oduduwa. Assuming that Oduduwa even existed, Benin only showed interest believing it was their long lost prince. A Benin man on the street going about his business today despite being very historically conscious, has no much awareness of Oduduwa. Whereas all know of various ogiso kings that existed a millennium before supposed Oduduwa.

“Assuming that Oduduwa even existed” ke. I think you’re a year late.

You fellow Bini liars have flipped their pages to a new one — that is, the “Oduduwa does not exist” page.

Do your self some good of catching up with them.

The Binis’ Trend:

(1) Oduduwa is our father.

Then after a while of inferiority complex, they went:

(2) Oduduwa is our son.

Then after a while of thorough debunking from yours truly, they went:

(3) Oduduwa does not exist.

Only God knows what their new page will be.

TAO11:
“Assuming that Oduduwa even existed” ke. I think you’re a year late.

You fdllow Bini liars have flipped their pages to a new one — that is, the “Oduduwa does not exist” page.

Do your self some good of catching up with them.

Even Awo lies of 1940s hold no water much less your infantile rambling of a year ago. Oh, you just got my attention that you have so desired. Hope it will satisfy your attention seeking for the rest of 2020.

What I learnt from thread:

Ijebu is Yoruba and Op is not Ijebu.

Why would some one claim another person's identity. I did that shit 15 years ago but NEVER again.

IGBO and proud.

We move.

OfficialAPCNig:
What I learnt from thread:

Ijebu is Yoruba and Op is not Ijebu.

Why would some one claim another person's identity. I did that shit 15 years ago but NEVER again.

IGBO and proud.

We move.

Lol nairaland comedy is not new to me anymore. The last time I displayed foolishness was when I was new to nairaland.

Once you air your opinion you'll see irrelevant people proving to you your not who you are.
I had to upload my indigene certificate with my granfathers stamp on it. With my surname in line with the royal authority until one good Samaritan told me I uploaded sensitive material online to prove to anonymous people.

Had it been Nigeria was scientific we won't be wasting time on a simple thread.

2prexios:


That's wise of you bro.

Scoffers don't solve academic problems, figures from AI biodiversity Teller machine is no provenance to an archeological claim of a hundred of a thousand years.

Clever omission of the Yoruba rallying point from Yoruba history is the new trick to beat doing the job. It's a great science of conformity to evolution. Opportunity cost?

With it, Edo can be silenced of her new found desire to have share in Oduduwa via ekhalediran, and then the obnoxious "pseudohistorians" shut out where they rightly belonged.

The atheistic recollection of the Yoruba history is here. How it solve the problem still beats me though.

What actually went out missng were the present day Yoruba form of writng which is actually beyond people on NL but.

So, I am perturbed seeing Yorubas without faint knowledge on Classic Hebrews Ideograms because the reality was the house of royalty were the ones with the knowldege of ancient writing.

Amazingly NegroNtns did tried in his quest to unravel the identity of modern day Yorubas even if he was knowledgeble in Arabic inscription which is a language that developed along side the Ibare/Ibere/Ibari(Hebrew) people; whose reminants are doumented both by western and Islamic scholars about Kanaan people. Although not all Yorubas are classic Hebrew but intermarriages and assimiliation did the rest that brought some others into the fold.

Furthermore,I am not interested in the idea of contesting the Edo lying lips because,it is a mere wastng of time since, it is obvious a groupof Edo people are hellbent on twisting history even with some Yoruba egocentrics hybrids without fact but kept regurgating over the identity of man who lived thousands of years outsideYoruba land in Nigeria and inscribed in his sword YHWH ; which is YHEWAH/eewah/ Iwa; a name of God, is another reason I dont have time to share more in a well documented book. Odù Ìwá ; ,is recognised in Ilẹìfẹ and well exstableshed in ìgbo Ọrẹ́ where the calabash with a cover represent the hidden figure of Ela Iwa / Ela rọ ìwá (Ẹlù ìwá) . Let'em go fight Yoruba tradionalists and stop the form of facial ablution;a form of blessed water sign done in catholic church before entrance, which is also done at Ela temple before entry......So that the perpetual uninfomed lots will say Yoruba developed that also in West Africa

Ba mi, I submit my point here.

Cheers

AreaFada2:
[s]Even Awo lies of 1940s hold no water much less your infantile rambling of a year ago. Oh, you just got my attention that you have so desired. Hope it will satisfy your attention seeking for the rest of 2020. [/s]

Sharrap with your unending lies. I have exposed and disgraced you enough.

Awo ko, Eweka ni

Olu317:
What actually went out missng were the present day Yoruba form of writng which is actually beyond people on NL but.

So, I am perturbed seeing Yorubas without faint knowledge on Classic Hebrews Ideograms because the reality was the house of royalty were the ones with the knowldege of ancient writing.

Amazingly NegroNtns did tried in his quest to unravel the identity of modern day Yorubas even if he was knowledgeble in Arabic inscription which is a language that developed along side the Ibare/Ibere/Ibari(Hebrew) people; whose reminants are doumented both by western and Islamic scholars about Kanaan people. Although not all Yorubas are classic Hebrew but intermarriages and assimiliation did the rest that brought some others into the fold.

Furthermore,I am not interested in the idea of contesting the Edo lying lips because,it is a mere wastng of time since, it is obvious a groupof Edo people are hellbent on twisting history even with some Yoruba egocentrics hybrids without fact but kept regurgating over the identity of man who lived thousands of years outsideYoruba land in Nigeria and inscribed in his sword YHWH ; which is YHEWAH/eewah/ Iwa; a name of God, is another reason I dont have time to share more in a well documented book. Odù Ìwá ; ,is recognised in Ilẹìfẹ and well exstableshed in ìgbo Ọrẹ́ where the calabash with a cover represent the hidden figure of Ela Iwa / Ela rọ ìwá (Ẹlù ìwá) . Let'em go fight Yoruba tradionalists and stop the form of facial ablution;a form of blessed water sign done in catholic church before entrance, which is also done at Ela temple before entry......So that the perpetual uninfomed lots will say Yoruba developed that also in West Africa

Ba mi, I submit my point here.

Cheers

You are a blessed soul just like metaphysical has been to me and to the followers of the truth. He has the Islamic angles to it and that's very good. You have both angles and I do too. Facts is fact when they agree from unlikely places.

We now have the atheist angle to the story of the origin of the Yoruba. But how has that celebrated Yoruba tradition? Na, it celebrated the science fiction of hunter gatherers known to roam the middle belt in 40.000 or so years ago.

Fine, a Briton decided to debase the origin of man to lower animals for the benefit of science. This doesn't abrogated the Yoruba tradition of origin. Yoruba tradition is Yoruba scientific philosophy just like evolution is.

Tired of religion, Charles Darwin drew from Epicure and viola, we have evolution. Now that Yoruba scholars are tired of religion, their drawing is from Hunter Duver and Darwin. Compare the wisdom of the two.

The "Epicure" of the Yoruba is the Ifa. If you are tired of the "aroba", the ideal thing to do is to draw from the wisdom of the fathers. But the Yoruba rather draws from one who draws from Epicure. The fathers were the losers.

Western education is engineered to compromise our intellectual attainment, that's why I didn't go to school. True education will flow to you in your intense need for it, then you'll know where to get it, or else you will be compromised.

However, our fathers have their universe city tucked in Yoruba language. I evaded the killer through my understanding of the Yoruba folklore, Erin karele o waa j'oba, eweku ewele. Education is balanced when it agrees from unlikely places.


Before I conform, hunter gatherers of the middle belt is like the dinosaur. To claim that dinosaur is the animal framed in mind's picture means the artist wandered with them in the prediluvian age, or else it's just the artistic impression.

So, from fossil to artistic impression to popular impression. Dinosaur had fossil. How about the hunter gatherers of the middle belt? Who's impression were they? Fossil's, scholars'? Where's the provenance?

Can you paint the life face of a man accurately from his skeleton? Can science tell us exactly how dinosaur looks like? The same applies to the history of the hunter gatherers of the middle belts.

But you can reconstruct the history of a people from the nature's own laboratory, which is their language, art and tradition. We must not compromise our fathers' for an artificial intelligence Teller machine and abandon ifa records.

Nibi oju rere gbe ti mmo wale aye

Our fathers, in the epoch of Ooni Adesoji Aderemi told the archeologist about Olokun that he's from IFEH, the spring of Yoruba Ife and of mankind. It's the place where sunlight beams across the earth. Ojumo is the dawn, daybreak.

Exegesis implies this to be East. Except Ife is East to science or the Yoruba. The art of reading your intent to a line is eisegesis as oppose to exegesis. The fathers word is an unbreakable scientific masterpiece.

Fe spread
Fere...idaji...dawn, sunrise.
Ile-Ife... home sunrise/spread.

Ìdájí is like transitive form of ìdají, half. In the geography of the ancients, sunset and sunrise happen around the farthest ring of the world, which is the equator. Half of the day is spent at night, ajin, sun in depth to sunrise, ìdájí.

It reminds us of the phrase, "the night and the day thereof is one day" of the Hebrew thinking. The Yoruba variant of this poetic parlance is "osan kan oru kan", much like 'forty days and forty nights". That sense of time is shared.

Like you inferred above, Yoruba advancement of old got broken at some point. It's the shard that litters the place we are picking up. If they were accurate with the earth and its science, their diverse claims are as much accurate.

We'll need not conform but concentrate on the sherds. Let those that defer to science and scoffs do. There's difference in instant gratification and delayed gratification. Truth takes time to get rooted if would ever be.

Igbeyin lalayo nta.

As for Edo, abaku laso eegun. They are our kindred and the hands of God. They will follow us wherever we go as such.

lol, we need science also in this part of the world. I'm shocked! The biggest problem to all this is the geographical location at some point in time. Fossil or excavated corps should be helpful.
If plato could talk about Atlantis , I wonder how the ancient world was. The continent will fit together if brought closely, the continent are still moving and no one knows if Africa will be in Asia thousands of years later.
The sunken island covered with water. Thats why I'm not discrediting the jebu and ijebu words. Unthinkable stuff might have happened I believe everything need gentle approach and not quick discrediting.

Im a scientist, not averse to science. But not confused by multiple data on a single matter, I would use science to scrutinize science wherever needs demand for one.

Science is Arojinle, not dogma and we all have a brain for thinking. We should use it to further knowledge and not to further slavery in any guise however complicated or confusing.

Tectonic plating is the theory that the earth was one mass of a continent and it gradually divide into six over millions of years or so. We have hint of this in the Bible talking about the time of Haphaxad or so.

Yoruba history don't have to swing up and down science topics. It's unnecessary need to wax scientific over events that are restricted as recent as couple of thousand years into the formation of time and space.

Escapology is unnecessary too. An expert should be able to put various thoughts into different classification and not mould all together. The story is clearly told in Odu, where the tale of Olokun was narrated:

"The Ebora, or Mole, are terra-cotta heads and figures of various kinds. . .I heard the following legends of the Eboras: There once was an old town called Illu-Olokun, that is, the Town of the Ruler of the Ocean, to the north of Ilife. Our fathers before us have told us that in times long, long ago this city was surrounded by a lake to the South and a river on the North, by which one could get to the sea. Olokun, the Orisha, had founded this city before the creation of the earth. The Omo-Olokun, who long since then had been driven to the South, left behind them the tradition that it actually was Olokun who created the earth on which Ilife stood."

"Illu-Olokun was believed to be the birthplace of all mankind, both fair and dark; the Europeans also came from there! As stated, the old city was known as Illu-Olokun. The place where once it stood is to-day called Igbo-Olokun, because a great Igbo, or forest, has overgrown it. But the name Ebolokun, or Ebo-olokun, i.e., sacrifice to the Sea God, is commoner, because offerings are still laid before the Poseidon of Atlantic Africa under the palms in the forest."

This was the narration that accompanied the terracotta that has become the emblem of the Yoruba. The word of the fathers are relegated to the background. But the word should speak as would the terracotta!

These are the comment I was expecting when opening this thread. I was expecting something that'll give me reasons to debate and do more search b4 Benin guys and one awori lady turned it to ile-ife supremacy battle. If I create new thread after Christmas I'll mention some monikers