Heh.

Funny thing is that these days, the vast majority of voices that shout "East" is Igbos. Very rarely will you hear an Ibibio or Efik demonstrate any interest. Largely moved on to other things.

Anyway, we shall see how the people of Akwa Ibom decide over the next few weeks.

Posted by: ekt_bear

Heh.

[b]Funny thing is that these days, the vast majority of voices that shout "East" is Igbos. [/b]Very rarely will you hear an Ibibio or Efik demonstrate any interest. Largely moved on to other things.

Anyway, we shall see how the people of Akwa Ibom decide over the next few weeks.

Here you go again with their shameless deceit.

I think that what is funnier is how suddenly Buhari is now hot cake in Yoruba land after picking Bakare as his houseboy V.P.

Who shouts "North" more if not the Hausa/Fulani? Where are the Kanuri and Nupe? Why are northern candidates Fulani or Hausa?

Does GEJ stand a chance in this election if not for the support he gets from Igbos?

Wetin pesin no go see for NL?? Igbos trying to claim Akwa ibom Whoteva!!!

I wonder what will happen if there is no oil in those states. .

So, All that much talk about PDP strong hold has been demystify. Way to go Tinubu.

Onlytruth:

Posted by: ekt_bear
Here you go again with their shameless deceit.

It is pretty true, I think. Then again, I don't know how well the few Ibibio I've talked politics with in RL reflects mainstream thought. Who knows, maybe they told me what they thought I wanted to hear.

I think that what is funnier is how suddenly Buhari is now hot cake in Yoruba land after picking Bakare as his houseboy V.P.

Strategically, his move was sound. . . for somewhat obvious reasons.

Who shouts "North" more if not the Hausa/Fulani? Where are the Kanuri and Nupe? Why are northern candidates Fulani or Hausa?

Agreed; both North and Igbos are too keen on subjugating their neighbors into a nebulous "North" or a nebulous "East." If only they were more like the Yoruba, who learned from the sins they committed in the 1950s and have since repented.

Does GEJ stand a chance in this election if not for the support he gets from Igbos?

And how does an alliance between GEJ and Igbos preclude the people of Akwa Ibom from making their own independent decisions?

Rhino.5dm:

So, All that much talk about PDP strong hold has been demystify. Way to go Tinubu.

Indeed. Between this and the events in Benue, weakness in Delta State and other places, I'm beginning to think that their house of cards will fall.

Even if the PDP isn't kicked out of the presidency this cycle, weakening the party now means better odds going forward.

ekt_bear:


Agreed; both North and Igbos are too keen on subjugating their neighbors into a nebulous "North" or a nebulous "East." If only they were more like the Yoruba, who learned from the sins they committed in the 1950s and have since repented.

lol, that was a pretty slick retort.

Posted by: ekt_bear

It is pretty true, I think. Then again, I don't know how well the few Ibibio I've talked politics with in RL reflects mainstream thought. Who knows, maybe they told me what they thought I wanted to hear.
Strategically, his move was sound. . . for somewhat obvious reasons.
Agreed; both North and Igbos are too keen on subjugating their neighbors into a nebulous "North" or a nebulous "East." If only they were more like the Yoruba, who learned from the sins they committed in the 1950s and have since repented.
And how does an alliance between GEJ and Igbos preclude the people of Akwa Ibom to make their own independent decisions?

Frankly I don't really care about what ACN is doing in any part of Nigeria, provided they don't bring a "rascal" style of politics with them. There has now being a "war" in Akwa Ibom, and an ACN person caught with elections materials and register in Anambra state.
So, you see why folks in the East are apprehensive about your style of politics.

Learn to live with it, the fact remains that GEJ or anyone from the Eastern minority groups does not stand a chance in Nigerian national politics without us all in the East acting together.
Igbo can even go it alone provided we get support from other majority groups -which is very possible if we REALLY demand it. So, like I said before, their (eastern minority) plights have been because they listened to your type and northerners who deceive them.

Nuff said.  

The Yoruba NEVER voted for anyone than themselves since Nigeria began. Supporting GEJ would have you shed that evil image of unrepentant tribalists. It is your call though.

ekt_bear:

Indeed. Between this and the events in Benue, weakness in Delta State and other places, I'm beginning to think that their house of cards will fall.

[size=32pt]Even if the PDP isn't kicked out of the presidency this cycle, weakening the party now means better odds going forward.[/size]

Priceless!

Posted by: PhysicsMHD

lol, that was a pretty slick retort.

I wouldn't say that if I were you (a western minority) considering their antecedents under the defunct western Nigeria.

Igbo say that a child whose father was killed by a water buffalo never drinks palm wine with a buffalo horn. 

Onlytruth:

Learn to live with it, the fact remains that GEJ or anyone from the Eastern minority groups does not stand a chance in Nigerian national politics without us all in the East acting together.

All the minorities in southern Nigeria were plopped into the SS zone. There is a rotation principle which seems to be the soul of the PDP. If this principle had been maintained, presumably the SS would have gotten a turn at the presidency.

So what crisis was there, before GEJ came along There wouldn't be a crisis if that formula had been retained, would there?

Only through tortuous logic can one manufacture a political threat to the SS.

And hell, i'm not even a PDP fan or a fan of zoning. But it makes no sense for GEJ fans/supporters to play the victim. He has brought this on himself.

The Yoruba NEVER voted for anyone than themselves since Nigeria began.

This is propoganda and bullshit. You know it, I know it. Anyway, technically speaking you are incorrect. . . at least if election results are anything to go by.

Supporting GEJ would have you shed that evil image of unrepentant tribalists. It is your call though.

There is no moral imperative for Yoruba to support Goodluck. Or for any other group, for that matter. If you like Goodluck, fine, support him. If you don't, also fine.

But attempting to take higher moral ground over a political matter like this? There is something fundamentally. . . dishonest about that.

Regarding tribalism. . . well, every group in Nigeria (or on Earth, for that matter) is tribalist.

Onlytruth:

Posted by: PhysicsMHD
I wouldn't say that if I were you (a western minority) considering their antecedents under the defunct western Nigeria.

Igbo say that a child whose father was killed by a water buffalo never drinks palm wine with a buffalo horn. 

Nah, it was a pretty good comeback though. I think even you should give him a golf clap for that one.


As for the Western region, that's before my time. But I don't recall reading that one part of defunct Western Nigeria invaded and looted another part of defunct Western Nigeria, so they (Western Nigerians) probably aren't as obnoxious as they're usually credited to be.

^^

Whatever, you are free!

For the record, nobody invaded another in Eastern Nigerian history. That ends my debate with you today. BYE.

Onlytruth:

^^

Whatever, you are free!

For the record, nobody invaded another in Eastern Nigerian history. That ends my debate with you today. BYE.

Actually, the Igbos invaded Ibibioland.

Bye.

PhysicsMHD:

Actually, the Igbos invaded Ibibioland.

Bye.

thank you

i was wondering if i did not know my history about eastern nigeria

physics u forgot to add how the soliders killed ijaw, ibibio, efik, ogoni etc leaders when they did not agree with oga ojukwu's policies.

pls correct me if i am wrong

Alj Uche:

thank you

i was wondering if i did not know my history about eastern nigeria

physics u forgot to add how the soliders killed ijaw, ibibio, efik, ogoni etc leaders when they did not agree with oga ojukwu's policies.

pls correct me if i am wrong

He is not talking about Biafra. Look at you trying to jump on something you know nothing about.

It seems like you do not know the history of the East. He is talking about the Aro-Ibibio Wars, that occurred 300 years ago.

And who was Ojukwu's second in command? And does Eyo Ita mean anything to you?

Na wa o. Let's not derail into the civil war again  

Posted by: ekt_bear

All the minorities in southern Nigeria were plopped into the SS zone. There is a rotation principle which seems to be the soul of the PDP. If this principle had been maintained, presumably the SS would have gotten a turn at the presidency.
So what crisis was there, before GEJ came along Huh There wouldn't be a crisis if that formula had been retained, would there?

Only through tortuous logic can one manufacture a political threat to the SS.

And hell, i'm not even a PDP fan or a fan of zoning. But it makes no sense for GEJ fans/supporters to play the victim. He has brought this on himself.

This is propoganda and bullshit. You know it, I know it. Anyway, technically speaking you are incorrect. . . at least if election results are anything to go by.

There is no moral imperative for Yoruba to support Goodluck. Or for any other group, for that matter. If you like Goodluck, fine, support him. If you don't, also fine.

But attempting to take higher moral ground over a political matter like this? There is something fundamentally. . . dishonest about that.

It is a fact, go through Nigerian electoral history and show me when your people voted for someone other than Yoruba either as president or vice president. It never happened.
Your support for Buhari now is because he picked Bakare. FULLSTOP.

I cannot educate you on why the zoning being bandied by the North is a fraud. I don't have time for that. You have to go and research that yourself. Sorry.

Bottomline is that if GEJ loses this election, there is a very good chance that NO minority from southern Nigeria will EVER become Nigerian president again; if Igbo step forward to act and behave like Yoruba, it will never happen.

EzeUche:


He is not talking about Biafra. Look at you trying to jump on something you know nothing about.

It seems like you do not know the history of the East. He is talking about the Aro-Ibibio Wars, that occurred 300 years ago.

shattap dia

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ARO-IBIBIO WAR, I AM TALKING ABOUT HOW OJUKWU KILLED IBIBIO LEADERS THAT DID NOT SUPPORT HIS WAR DREAMS

I THINK YOU SHOULD NOT TALK OF THINGS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT

INFACT, WHEN WERE YOU BORN FOR YOU TO KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT ?

well this is not about war but ACN ok

I am happy for Goodluck. The Old East is uniting so let us all celebrate.  

Where does GEJ gets most of his support? It is in the South-East and South-South.

Anyway, I understand the motivations of some. In this Nigeria, you must get as many allies as you can. Even if it requires you to lie and distort the history/motivations of others.

Setting up a false crisis with GEJ, and extending it to all SS groups is a pretty good tool.

It honestly cracked me up when Obasanjo went off-message and said, "Zoning is still in effect . . . we are just making an exception for GEJ, who will leave office in 2015"  

Goodluck must have been like, "Ix-nay on the oning-zay, dude!"

Ezeuche, just ignore PhysicsHMD, he has an agenda here. I really pity being a minority in Nigeria because your worst enemies are your fellow minority tribes. Pathetic.  
He is from Edo and doesn't support his fellow so called SS brother.

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Onlytruth:

Ezeuche, just ignore PhysicsHMD, he has an agenda here. I really pity being a minority in Nigeria because your worst enemies are your fellow minority tribes. Pathetic.  
He is from Edo and doesn't support his fellow so called SS brother.

why should he support a man because he is from his zone, does that make any sense you you onlytruth

haba tour hate for Nigerians know no boundaries

I think you support Nazi ideas like jason123 righly said

but in your case it is igbo

correct me if i am wrong

EzeUche:


Edo people live off of past glories. I am not worried with his people, because they are not my concern. As long as they do not bother the Igbo clans that border the Bini's realm, they are of no concern.

They were not part of the Old East so why should we be concerned?

there are not indigenous igbos in edo state

haba

Posted by: Alj Uche

why should he support a man because he is from his zone, does that make any sense you you onlytruth

haba tour hate for Nigerians know no boundaries Angry

I think you support Nazi ideas like jason123 righly said

but in your case it is igbo Undecided

correct me if i am wrong

Your brother Buhari is the Hitler and you are the Nazi because both of you are intolerant of Nigeria's diversity.

You shout one Nigeria but sneak Nigeria into OIC (organization of Islamic Countries). You impose sharia on Nigerians, and kill those you resist you in Jos. You committed genocide in Biafra and is planning now to use military force to crush MEND.
You think we don't know? LOL!

Onlytruth:

Ezeuche, just ignore PhysicsHMD, he has an agenda here. I really pity being a minority in Nigeria because your worst enemies are your fellow minority tribes. Pathetic.  
He is from Edo and doesn't support his fellow so called SS brother.

What's my agenda? Who are my "worst enemies"? No minority tribe is exploiting or holding back my people so I don't understand your comment.

As for "so-called" SS, you're right about so-called. I was the one that pointed out that the SS was an artificial union of East and West minorities who were strangers, and that the whole scheme probably had nothing to do with the minority groups' own initiatives but probably was orchestrated by a third party for the benefit of the entire country and their own benefit.

As for support, I won't be voting anyways, so it doesn't matter. But if I were, I wouldn't blindly support mediocrity in the name of sectionalism.

Onlytruth:

Posted by: ekt_bear
It is a fact, go through Nigerian electoral history and show me when your people voted for someone other than Yoruba either as president or vice president. It never happened.

Lol. So by your twisted reasoning. . . in 1999, when all major tickets had Yoruba on them, we were tribalists too   2007 when I guess our votes were split between Atiku and Yaradua, was that also tribalism? Or was voting for Abiola (a guy who won overwhelmingly EVERYWHERE in Nigeria) also an example of tribalism?

Abeg, tell a more interesting tale.

Your support for Buhari now is because he picked Bakare. FULLSTOP.

I assume you mean "you" in the ethnic sense, rather than personally. Yes, Buhari is doing better in the SW having chosen a SW VP. No doubt this will help him pick up some votes. But. . . this is true of every possibly choice of VP. If he chose a VP from Benue, it would also pick up votes in that region. . .

I cannot educate you on why the zoning being bandied by the North is a fraud. I don't have time for that. You have to go and research that yourself. Sorry.

Bottomline is that if GEJ loses this election, there is a very good chance that NO minority from southern Nigeria will EVER become Nigerian president again; if Igbo step forward to act and behave like Yoruba, it will never happen.

Alright. If you believe that zoning is a fraud, then I understand your POV. However, I'd like to point out that many of your own homies (including Eziachi) support the zoning principle and believed in it.

Alj Uche:

there are not indigenous igbos in edo state

haba

Liar! Liar! Even Physics cannot deny that there are not any indigenous Igbos in Edo state. We all know the truth. Or do I need to direct you to a thread?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-500126.0.html

Anyway, I understand OnlyTruth's POV.

Primary justification for his position is that zoning is some sort of fraud, and that if Yar'Adua had not died, no SS man would ever be president.

If one believes that, then sure, basic fairness suggests giving them a turn.

I'll ignore the "Yoruba are tribalists because of presidential voting record" bit; that is obviously very shoddy reasoning.

Now, question for ya'll. . . why was the PDP zoning system a fraud and sham?

Onlytruth:

Posted by: Alj Uche
Your brother Buhari is the Hitler and you are the Nazi because both of you are intolerant of Nigeria's diversity.

You shout one Nigeria but sneak Nigeria into OIC (organization of Islamic Countries). You impose sharia on Nigerians, and kill those you resist you in Jos. You committed genocide in Biafra and is planning now to use military force to crush MEND.
You think we don't know? LOL!

we are not tolerant of nigeria diversity and here i am a kanuri man supporting a fulani man

other yorubas supporting a fulani

what about abagworo an igbo supporting buhari

buhari was with obafemi martins a yoruba man yesterday

his vice is a yoruba man

his vice 2007  and 2003 was an igbo man

so what are you talking about

ekt_bear:

Heh.

Funny thing is that these days, the vast majority of voices that shout "East" is Igbos. Very rarely will you hear an Ibibio or Efik demonstrate any interest. Largely moved on to other things.

Anyway, we shall see how the people of Akwa Ibom decide over the next few weeks.

Errr, Correction -- People who scream "East" are heartless bigots like EzeUche - a man so deeply blinded by his shameless tribalist mentality, that he is a sharp misrepresentation of what true Igbos like me stand for. If you think I'm lying, just go around and try mixing with some real sensible Igbos you meet in real life. With time, you'd realize these Igbos despise people of EzeUche's lifestyle.
Let me tell you something - Are you aware that if Nigeria were to split today (with Biafra finally going free), people like EzeUche would still be calling for Biafra to further be split into smaller pieces? A fine example was when he openly supported the corrupt Ohakim's re-election all because he hails from Okigwe, and "Orlu people have had their turn." This just goes to show you a man with such deep hatred for unity.
So, please, HE DOES NOT SPEAK FOR US. He is on his own.
Don't lump us together with him, because that is tantamount to insulting all Igbos!
Thank you.

Posted by: ekt_bear

Alright. If you believe that zoning is a fraud, then I understand your POV. However, I'd like to point out that many of your own homies (including Eziachi) support the zoning principle and believed in it. [

It is funny how some of you keep raising the name of my brother Eziachi to these debates without even understanding his beliefs. Guy doesn't even believe in Nigeria. It is like asking Dede1 his views about how to solve all these problems. He would tell you his solution: total disintegration of Nigeria.