Kobojunkie:
I was being reasonable even when I said what I did of sin and the assumption that because Paul declared in His letter that all HAVE sinned, somehow it is ok to continue sinning.

Offpoint1:

Who does your explanation of WORK correlate with my work I'm referring here? I'm talking about work known by every human, that little you do to get a reward afterwards....that's the work I'm referring to do. What does trusting, accepting and obeying have to do with physical work?

Offpoint1:

I'm going to ask the big question... WHAT IS SIN?
I need your own answer of what sin is.

(My prediction to your answers: "Disobeying God"

specialmati:
the woman with the issue of blood has to step out to go touch his garment to receive her healing.i have to start giving God the money i should have used in buy drugs to never to fall sick.until you get the result do something what do you understand when you said faith what do you know about faith. Most of you think these things doesn't work.if it doesnt work then God is not faithful then.until you get to that point where you pray and tell God if He doesnt heal you then so be it.people that manufactured car have spare parts.thats human what makes you think God that manufactured our body doesnt have spare parts in stock in heaven.He still does miracle.satan is the one making people to fall sick all these manner of sickness,God himself is not even happy that one falls sick

Martinez39s:
Just to be clear, you mean the cancer patient should give God the money he could have used to buy drugs and pay hospital bills?

specialmati:
you really need to study the words you mentions you just dont they one side and be shouting they prayed and have faith without knowing what prayer is all about.what did you know about faith i told you what i deed in my own case with the level of faith i have in the Lord and you are telling me what you think in your head. . pray until something happen have faith as little as the mustard seed and say to that sickness to varnish and it will.they have to act on the level of faith you claim they have to get well.shalom

Martinez39s:
Just to be clear, you mean the cancer patient should give God the money he could have used to buy drugs and pay hospital bills? YES OR NO

chubinwa:
since I got scammed by a renowned prophet. my faith depreciated. I now see all of them as scammers. I hope God God changes my instincts

Crownp:
It was the previous week before this.... I've been looking for Money to settle my hostel fee and get some things like bed and all, but I haven't gotten it yet.... I almost lost my faith in God, but I've been trying to be up and doing back.... Though I haven't gotten the money yet, I am still believing... I don't even have a hostel now self.... I'm believing in God sha...

IamBroke:
I could still remember when I lost ma grandma and dad years ago.. things were hard,we barely eat infact most times we got feed by the neighbors..but I thank God today things are much better at least...

I almost lost ma faith in God but I am happy that God help me through...

So What almost broke your FAITH in GOD and how you overcame it?

Martinez39s:
I am not insinuating anything. I simply asked a yes-or-no question. Let me repeat:

Kdon2:




My wife! She is quick to attack and condemn my efforts and accuse me of all sorts when she is far worse. She is the greatest challenge my life ever faced. And I m yet to overcome anything. Lol

Offpoint1:

Let me give you a more "relevant" scenario.

As a person you loss your parents at your teenage when you were preparing for your higher institution, their death halted that ambition because they were to be your sponsor.
You prayed for a miracle, for a sponsor to show up. You've been dedicated and fervent in your prayers for 10 years and nothing happens. You woke up to reality that prayers aren't making no difference, you quit praying and start working towards sponsoring yourself, you did all kinds of hard labours, saved to achieve your ambitions, after 2 years of rigorous hard labours and saving... You take on your ambition and got your ambition... Can you you attribute this success to prayers or to your hard works? Please be honest and sincere.

mayor02:


God might not want you to go to school yet. Learn a skill, or grow your business and become a multi millionaire You forced yourself to school, when you come out looking for jobs and didn’t see one for years. Then you will blame God again.

catloaded:
Promises unfulfilled

Martinez39s:
From these three scenarios, it is so easy to see that prayer is utterly useless. However, this common sense is not common.

A lot of Christians will not admit the obvious conclusion from the three scenarios you listed.

Martinez39s:
You are among the relative few who have observed that life is the way it is if the following are true:
(1) There are no god(s).
(2) Humans are on their own and left to fend for themselves. There is no divine intervention from anywhere to aid anyone.

Koolyarn:


If there is a f.....d up and evil world , then there should be a straight and good world.

You cant call anything bent till you have a concept of straight.

The Bible told us what created the f..d and the evil. Men wanted to be domineering rather than dominate. Mankind wanted to be God rather than worship and obey God. Man followed the serpent in quest to be like God

God has offered us a chance to the alternate world which is straight and Good. Where lions play with a child. Isaiah 11:6, But you must first accept and be like His prototype i.e Jesus who is describe as the second Adam in order to fit into this world.
are you a JW?cos that's exactly what they teach...but why can't God destroy the serpent and the spirit who possessed it?,Why?

specialmati:
and i said you cant be using head knowledge to get answer to spiritual fact. go and read about what prayer and faith you claim they have means.after that ask any question i will answer you.

Firstnebo:
"Prayer is utterly useless" because of an hypothetical poll question?

A reasonable comment would have been to answer the poll as a poll and not as a data

Firstnebo:
It still could be reasonable to reason there is God and your number 2 be partially accurate. The first part.

Actually that's what the Bible said. That Adam sinned and God let him and his offspring on their own to fend for themselves

Martinez39s:
According to the bible, the Christian god didn't let mankind fend for themselves without divine intervention and provision to a selected few.
•• Didn't you read how He communicated with Cain and Abel?
•• Didn't you read about the ten plagues in Egypt and how He freed the Israelites through Moses? Did He not intervention in these situations? Did He leave the Israelites to fend for themselves and allow nature take its course?
•• Didn't He send manna and meat from heaven? Do these look like He left them to fend for themselves? Why can world hunger be solved if He has such power? How about the encounter on Mount Sinai?
•• What about the prophets and judges he sent throughout the old testament? Does this look like god left mankind to fend for themselves? What about the messiah he sent in Jesus?
•• What about the promise of the Holy Spirit to believers?

I could go on and on, your explanation that God left mankind to fend for themselves is your own assumption that isn't even supported by the bible.

Martinez39s:
According to the bible, the Christian god didn't let mankind fend for themselves without divine intervention and provision to a selected few.
•• Didn't you read how He communicated with Cain and Abel?
•• Didn't you read about the ten plagues in Egypt and how He freed the Israelites through Moses? Did He not intervention in these situations? Did He leave the Israelites to fend for themselves and allow nature take its course?
•• Didn't He send manna and meat from heaven? Do these look like He left them to fend for themselves? Why can world hunger be solved if He has such power? How about the encounter on Mount Sinai?
•• What about the prophets and judges he sent throughout the old testament? Does this look like god left mankind to fend for themselves? What about the messiah he sent in Jesus?
•• What about the promise of the Holy Spirit to believers?

I could go on and on, your explanation that God left mankind to fend for themselves is your own assumption that isn't even supported by the bible.

Firstnebo:


Those instances are not examples of God's intervention.

They are instances of him carrying out his purpose of gaining back his rulership of the earth. He didn't "intervene", he "purposed"

Firstnebo:
I don't like to debate with people that are only interested in winning arguments.

The whole premise of the Bible is that God created man to be under him but man chose his own way, therefore God let him go and try.

Now you say it's my own assumption. If you don't want honest debate, then I am out

I am put in this world same as you. It's not my obligation to prove anything to you because I am a Christian. So I don't see why I should suffer to proof that the Bible says A or B

Martinez39s:
Oh really? Why doesn't he "purpose" for a terminal cancer patient or an amputee? Why doesn't he "purpose" for starving kids by sending manna and meat from heaven? Perhaps, he could send the angel of death like he did in Egypt to free innocent children from their molesters who leave irreparable trauma in their wake?

I rest my case with you. Good night.

Martinez39s:
I never said you have to prove yourself. In fact, if you don't want to discuss with me, simply ignore my mention.

As a reply to my post, you typed with your own hands that god allowed Adam's offsprings to fend for themselves after Adam's transgression. I showed this to be wrong, you then shifted the goalpost from "intervened" to "purposed". And now you accuse me of trying to win an argument?

I rest my case with you.

Offpoint1:
Too many unanswered prayers, I quit praying and start working more, building myself more, learning more skills and I start getting results and I say what's the point? Everything you prayed for doesn't happen until you work for it... then what's the point of the prayers? If I asked my earthly father's stuffs and he continuously doesn't give me until I work for it, what's the point of asking? let me start working for it since it's more effective than asking for it.

There are too many things we don't want to speak up both Christians and Muslims because we're too afraid of the hell threats... 50% of humans are serving God out of fear of hell, the rest 50% are serving God out of personal greed which is promised of heaven.

If you're down at accident scene with injuries, no amount of prayers will save you if you're not taking to hospital for medical attention
In sickness it's still the same
In needs your fellow humans will be at your mercy when you speak up or when they noticed the signs.

Maybe the Brain behind our existence Left us to our own faith,
Maybe he made us to be our own gods by having each others backs.

I've gotten to the stage I'm no longer afraid to ask questions, I've stopped buying that "you can't question God" lines pastors and preachers had been giving me... I've stopped buying "the portal and clay" analogy. Clay doesn't complain about how the portal mould it because it's an inanimate object with no consciousness... Don't expect me to be like that.

Don't mistake me for an atheist

pozehnani:
When I didn't have a job for a very long time and as a devoted christian, no boyfriend. My world was crashing before me.

Meanwhile there was this American big shot ( returnee) that was pestering me but I've been turning him down.

One very day things got so worse that the devil ministered to me to go and meet this man. I kept pushing the thought untill around 8pm. Then it came on strongly.

I began to dress up. Immediately I picked up my trousers, I heard the sound of a heavy rain. As in... The rain didn't start with drizzles. It came in very heavy torrential drops and didn't stop till well into midnight. I couldn't go anylonger.

Now, when this thing happened, it wasn't rainy season. So I knew it was God who helped me overcome that temptation. So I turned and cried bitterly to God that night feeling sorry for nearly giving in to temptation. I slept like a baby that night and somehow experienced a peace that I still can't describe.

After a few months of continous prayers, studying the Bible ( especially the books of apostle Paul and how he hoped against hope in his trying times) and begging God not to let me fall, he surprised me in ways I least expected. And one of the things I asked God was that he should settle me to be on my own. I'm done working under people and God did exactly that.

Today, I look back and I'm greatful to God for not letting me fall.

God held me close. so I wouldn't let go.

Firstnebo:


You are not good with philosophy

I know you think you are wise.

Well to answer your questions: he didn't do those because he is not the ruler of the earth. Since your original father Adam wants us humans to rule ourselves, it should be our duty to find cancer cure, not God's