slimmy05: You are derailing the thread. Stop being jealous of the Igbos. If you can read the title of the thread properly you won't come here saying rubbish. He is concerned about the Igbo's, so what's your headache in that?

What is there to be jealous of if you all are trying to claim us diaspora blacks?!

slimmy05: I guess that's eating you up badly. He's passionate about his people and your here calling him tribal. Bigfrancis, bring it on, I'm enjoying these researches.

@Bold...thank you Slim.

bigfrancis21:

@Bold...thank you Slim.

You are one and the same, Francis no need to thank yourself!!!

Jayvarley:


You are one and the same, Francis no need to thank yourself!!!

Now I see where the jealousy is coming from. Francis, ignore this jealous ignorant psycho who can't even grasp the title of a thread before commenting and also his sick brother kwame, who can't even write coherent and grammatical statements. The nitwit just jumps into a thread with all this googled articles and starts derailing the thread. You guys need to take your meds, its long overdue

slimmy05: Now I see where the jealousy is coming from. Francis, ignore this jealous ignorant psycho who can't even grasp the title of a thread before commenting and also his sick brother kwame, who can't even write coherent and grammatical statements. The nitwit just jumps into a thread with all this googled articles and starts derailing the thread. You guys need to take your meds, its long overdue

Yes how did you know that I am Jealous, you are a very intelligent person. What can I do to become part of the Igbo club?

Jayvarley:


Yes how did you know that I am Jealous, you are a very intelligent person. What can I do to become part of the Igbo club?

Its not for lazy ass. You don't have the blood and even if you go for Transfusion, you still cannot survive the hurdles. Igbos!! We are simply unique.

slimmy05: Its not for lazy ass. You don't have the blood and even if you go for Transfusion, you still cannot survive the hurdles. Igbos!! We are simply unique.

What hurdles did you Igbos go through?

Jayvarley:


What hurdles did you Igbos go through?

Don't tell me you that dumb. You've been following the thread and secretely reading Bigfrancis thread aswell that made frontpage. Keep reading and stop being a rude kid and am sure you'll learn better.

slimmy05: Don't tell me you that dumb. You've been following the thread and secretely reading Bigfrancis thread aswell that made frontpage. Keep reading and stop being a rude kid and am sure you'll learn better.

It's a legitimate question or just admit you don't know the answer

Jayvarley:
What's happening everyone?

Where is the King? Can someone tell me

ALL HAIL BIGFRANCIS21 KING OF THE IGBO'S!!!!!

He was gutted like a rabid fish even his alt accounts and nutriders including his "sis" couldn't help him.

I have achieved my goal and that's to watch his dumb azz hung himself. I got him to take back his original statements and repeated what you have said at the beginning of the thread.

The bill is in the mail. Have fun with the igbo failures.

Mrs.Chima:


He was gutted like a rabid fish even his alt accounts and nutriders including his "sis" couldn't help him.

I have achieved my goal and that's to watch his dumb azz hung himself. I got him to take back his original statements and repeated what you have said at the beginning of the thread.

The bill is in the mail. Have fun with the igbo failures.

Go and take your meds, your crass ignorance and insanity is getting out of hand . You always sound like a failure, no wonder you've lost all credibilty on nairaland. Go back to the sexuality section, that's where you belong, so you can freely exercise and express your sexual madness with your weak command of English Language. I weep for your ignorance, instead of you to learn from elites like Bigfrancis et al, you're here spreading your ignorance like wild fire that will burn you down soon. Despite living in a civilized and enlightened society, you still don't sound better that people who live in the slums and shanty towns of Maiduguri, Nigeria.

slimmy05: Go and take your meds, your crass ignorance and insanity is getting out of hand . You always sound like a failure, no wonder you've lost all credibilty on nairaland. Go back to the sexuality section, that's where you belong, so you can freely exercise and express your sexual madness with your weak command of English Language. I weep for your ignorance, instead of you to learn from elites like Bigfrancis et al, you're here spreading your ignorance like wild fire that will burn you down soon. Despite living in a civilized and enlightened society, you still don't sound better that people who live in the slums and shanty towns of Maiduguri, Nigeria.

^^^^

bigfrancis21:

@Bold...thank you Slim.

Here is the evidence that you people are tribal


It's Time to Face the Whole Truth About the Atlantic Slave Trade



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by Sheldon M. Stern
Mr. Stern taught African American history at the college level for a decade before becoming historian at the John F. Kennedy Library and Museum (1977–1999)—where he designed the museum’s first civil rights exhibit. He is the author of Averting ‘the Final Failure’: John F. Kennedy and the Secret Cuban Missile Crisis Meetings (2003), and The Week the World Stood Still: Inside the Secret Cuban Missile Crisis (2005).



“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”
Aldous Huxley, Proper Studies, 1927


On June 21, 2007, the Freedom Schooner Amistad began an 18-month “Atlantic Freedom Tour” to retrace the route of the Atlantic slave trade. Owned and operated by AMISTAD America, Inc., the recreated Amistad will visit ports in Canada, England, the United States and West Africa to commemorate the story of the 1839 Amistad revolt and to mark the 200th anniversary of the abolition of the international slave trade in England (1807) and the U.S. (1808). AMISTAD America is an educational organization committed to:


improved relationships between races and cultures by acknowledging our common experiences and encouraging dialogue that is based upon respect. … the re-created Amistad…serves as a floating classroom, icon and as a monument to the millions of souls that were broken or lost as a result of the insidious Transatlantic Slave Trade. The vessel offers an important message for all Americans about our collective history and future.1

The AMISTAD America website stresses the need to educate the public about the history of slavery “through common experiences and dialogue.” By “confronting the past” and promoting “reconciliation and social healing” the Amistad’s Atlantic Freedom Tour aims to help all people work toward “transforming the future.”

However, confronting the history of the Atlantic slave trade requires more than a sentence acknowledging that the Amistad prisoners “had been captured in Africa by Africans who sold them to European slave traders.” Website readers must understand that this terrible traffic in millions of human beings had been, as affirmed by the PBS Africans in America series, a joint venture: “During this era, Africans and Europeans stood together as equals, companions in commerce and profit. Kings exchanged respectful letters across color lines and addressed each other as colleagues. Natives of the two continents were tied into a common economy.”2

Incomplete depictions of the Atlantic slave trade are, in fact, quite common. My 2003 study of 49 state U.S. history standards revealed that not one of these guides to classroom content even mentioned the key role of Africans in supplying the Atlantic slave trade.3 In Africa itself, however, the slave trade is remembered quite differently. Nigerians, for example, explicitly teach about their own role in the trade:


Where did the supply of slaves come from? First, the Portuguese themselves kidnapped some Africans. [b]But the bulk of the supply came from the Nigerians. These Nigerian middlemen moved to the interior where they captured other Nigerians who belonged to other communities. The middlemen also purchased many of the slaves from the people in the interior . . . . Many Nigerian middlemen began to depend totally on the slave trade and neglected every other business and occupation. The result was that when the trade was abolished [by England in 1807] these Nigerians began to protest. As years went by and the trade collapsed such Nigerians lost their sources of income and became impoverished. 4

[/b]In Ghana, politician and educator Samuel Sulemana Fuseini has acknowledged that his Asante ancestors accumulated their great wealth by abducting, capturing, and kidnapping Africans and selling them as slaves. Likewise, Ghanaian diplomat Kofi Awoonor has written: “I believe there is a great psychic shadow over Africa, and it has much to do with our guilt and denial of our role in the slave trade. We too are blameworthy in what was essentially one of the most heinous crimes in human history.”5

In 2000, at an observance attended by delegates from several European countries and the United States, officials from Benin publicized President Mathieu Kerekou’s apology for his country’s role in “selling fellow Africans by the millions to white slave traders.” “We cry for forgiveness and reconciliation,” said Luc Gnacadja, Benin’s minister of environment and housing. Cyrille Oguin, Benin’s ambassador to the United States, acknowledged, “We share in the responsibility for this terrible human tragedy.” 6

A year later, Senegal’s president Abdoulaye Wade, “himself the descendant of generations of slave-owning [and slave-trading] African kings,” urged Europeans, Americans, and Africans to acknowledge publicly and teach openly about their shared responsibility for the Atlantic slave trade. 7 Wade’s remarks came months after the release of Adanggaman, by Ivory Coast director Roger Gnoan M’bala, “the first African film to look at African involvement in the slave trade with the West.” “It’s up to us,” M’Bala insisted, “to talk about slavery, open the wounds of what we’ve always hidden and stop being puerile when we put responsibility on others . . . . [b]In our own oral tradition, slavery is left out purposefully because Africans are ashamed when we confront slavery. Let’s wake up and look at ourselves through our own image.”8 “It is simply true,” [/b]declared Da Bourdia Leon of Burkina Faso’s Ministry of Culture and Art, “We need this kind of film to show our children this part of our history, that it happened among us. Although I feel sad, I think it is good that this kind of thing is being told today.”9

Several television productions of the last decade have acknowledged these facts: Africans in America (PBS, 1998), Wonders of the African World (PBS, 1999), and The African Trade (History Channel International, 2000). The latter begins with the visit by a group of African-Americans to the infamous slave castle and Door of No Return on Goree Island off the coast of Senegal. “Appalled by the cruelties of the Europeans,” the narrator relates, “the visitors become curious as to how Africans fell into their hands.” Their African guide admits that “this history is difficult to tell and hard to believe” but pulls no punches about African complicity in kidnapping and selling millions of African people: “All the tribes were involved in the slave trade—no exemptions.” The African-Americans were staggered: “So we really can’t blame the Europeans,” one declares, “We sold our own. It takes two.” Another visitor declares, “That’s right—money and greed.” The program concludes that “white guilt can never be erased”—but cautions that it is also important to remember that “black participation lets no one off the hook.”

The historical record is incontrovertible—as documented in the PBS Africans in America series companion book:


The white man did not introduce slavery to Africa . . . . And by the fifteenth century, men with dark skin had become quite comfortable with the concept of man as property . . . . Long before the arrival of Europeans on West Africa’s coast, the two continents shared a common acceptance of slavery as an unavoidable and necessary—perhaps even desirable—fact of existence. The commerce between the two continents, as tragic as it would become, developed upon familiar territory. Slavery was not a twisted European manipulation, although Europe capitalized on a mutual understanding and greedily expanded the slave trade into what would become a horrific enterprise . . . . It was a thunder that had no sound. Tribe stalked tribe, and eventually more than 20 million Africans would be kidnapped in their own homeland. 10

Historians estimate that ten million of these abducted Africans “never even made it to the slave ships. Most died on the march to the sea”—still chained, yoked, and shackled by their African captors—before they ever laid eyes on a white slave trader. 11 The survivors were either purchased by European slave dealers or “instantly beheaded” by the African traders “in sight of the [slave ship] captain” if they could not be sold.12 Of course, the even more horrific and inhuman middle passage—the voyage of a European (and later American) slave ship from Africa to the Western Hemisphere—still lay before those who had survived the forced trek to the coast.

Failure to educate young Americans about the whole story of Atlantic slave trade threatens to divide our nation and undermine our civic unity and belief in the historical legitimacy of our democratic institutions. Education in a democracy cannot promote half-truths about history without undermining the ideal of e pluribus unum—one from many—and substituting a divisive emphasis on many from one. The history of the slave trade proves that virtually everyone participated and profited—whites and blacks; Christians, Muslims, and Jews; Europeans, Africans, Americans, and Latin Americans. Once we recognize the shared historical responsibility for the Atlantic slave trade, we can turn our attention to “transforming the future” by eradicating its corrosive legacy.

No one is well served when “old myths of African barbarism” are replaced by “new myths of African innocence.”13 There are some encouraging signs. A recent middle school textbook, for example, tries to explain—


how Africans could have sold other Africans into slavery. [/b]The answer is that [African] slaveholders didn't think of themselves or their slaves as 'Africans.'[b] Instead they thought of themselves as Edo or Songhai or members of another group. They thought of their slaves as foreigners or inferiors. In the same way, the Spanish, the French, and the English could massacre each other in bloody wars because they thought of themselves as Spanish, French, or English, rather than Europeans.14


Similar candor can also be found in a current college textbook co-authored by three African-American historians. Europeans and eventually Americans—


did not capture and enslave people themselves. Instead they purchased slaves from African traders [who]…restricted the Europeans to a few points on the coast, while the kingdoms raided the interior to supply the Europeans with slaves. ... The European traders provided the aggressors with firearms, but they did not instigate the wars. Instead they used the wars to enrich themselves. Sometimes African armies enslaved the inhabitants of conquered towns and villages. At other times, raiding parties captured isolated families or kidnapped individuals. As warfare spread to the interior, captives had to march for hundreds of miles to the coast where European traders awaited them. The raiders tied the captives together with rope or secured them with wooden yokes around their necks. It was a shocking experience, and many captives died from hunger, exhaustion, and exposure during the journey. Others killed themselves rather than submit to their fate, and the captors killed those who resisted.15

A concise version of this textbook prepared for a new required course on African-American history in Philadelphia high schools has retained all of this material—giving these students the opportunity to learn the full story of the Atlantic slave trade.16

It is also encouraging that the AMISTAD America Sankofa College Program courses to be offered during the Amistad’s visits to Sierra Leone and Senegal include study of the “West African slave trade” and “African slavery and the transatlantic slave trade”— presumably to be discussed candidly and accurately. Only by facing the whole truth can we free ourselves from the burden of our shared, tragic past and reinvigorate our commitment to what AMISTAD America rightly calls, “our collective history and future.” As Martin Luther King, Jr. dared to dream at the 1963 March on Washington, we can then join hands and affirm together in the words of the African-American spiritual: “Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!”

Source:http://hnn.us/article/41431






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kk5iXZFaCQ

@Jav
THEIR TRIBALISM EVEN HAPPENS OUTSIDE naaigeria. In Cape Town we watched naaigerians fighting each other at the PARADE MARKET.

The other chaps were Ogonis,Ejaghams,Yorubas etc..were all seating together like real homeboys. While TRIBALIST IGBOS were ganging together on the other part of the market.

Everyone was suprised to see naai-gerians wanting to kill each other in foreign land. In Joburg its worse there was a case where one guy was killed over SA woman.

Their TRIBALISM IS WORSE EVEN AMONG IGBOS , THE IGBOS OF THE WEST,EAST,CENTRAL etc..HAVE BEEF WITH EACH OTHER. Crazy 16th century staff.

In foreign land Igbos of the same VILLAGE FLOCK TOGETHER.

^^^ You're just a confused sick mofo. You're just rambling around spewing gibberish. Why not not make use of your brain and try to decipher what this thread was created for. Why would you bring your hatred for Nigerians over here. Are you normal at all? You're biting more than you can chew guy. You south Africans are just no match not with Nigerians as a whole but with just the Igbo's alone. You these HIV infested people

slimmy05: ^^^ You're just a confused sick mofo. You're just rambling around spewing gibberish. Why not not make use of your brain and try to decipher what this thread was created for. Why would you bring your hatred for Nigerians over here. Are you normal at all? You're biting more than you can chew guy. You south Africans are just no match not with Nigerians as a whole but with just the Igbo's alone. You these HIV infested people

I've noticed those two people have unjustifiable anti-sentiments against the Igbo. You can't stop anybody from hating. One thing is sure, God has really blessed the Igbo in all ramifications. In aspects such as entrepreneurship, physical beauty and looks, education, success, intelligence, hard wok, strength, wealth, wisdom and what have you.

These people are here dilly dallying with their trivial sentimental issues not knowing we've experienced real hard-core hatred much harder than theirs, and for several decades. Its not today we started seeing such yet we are advancing at an amazing rate. We are used to such things such that its become a usual thing to us just like seeing a passing car has become a norm.

Oganiru bu nke anyi. Onye iwe anyi na-ewe ya wegbuo ya. Osukosu nwamkpi a da-eje ebe obuna.

kwame tut: @Jav
THEIR TRIBALISM EVEN HAPPENS OUTSIDE naaigeria. In Cape Town we watched naaigerians fighting each other at the PARADE MARKET.

The other chaps were Ogonis,Ejaghams,Yorubas etc..were all seating together like real homeboys. While TRIBALIST IGBOS were ganging together on the other part of the market.

Everyone was suprised to see naai-gerians wanting to kill each other in foreign land. In Joburg its worse there was a case where one guy was killed over SA woman.

Their TRIBALISM IS WORSE EVEN AMONG IGBOS , THE IGBOS OF THE WEST,EAST,CENTRAL etc..HAVE BEEF WITH EACH OTHER. Crazy 16th century staff.

In foreign land Igbos of the same VILLAGE FLOCK TOGETHER.

Tell me about it.

A few years ago I attended a wedding in Barbados and I heard the minister having a bit of a rant, saying how much he hated Nigerians.
There was a small crowd of us listening to him. We were all wondering what the reason was.

So he told us that he used to live and work in England at his work place there were very few blacks at the time.
He went on to say how the Nigerians used to talk to him and they got on quite well. But after a while as more Nigerians got jobs at his work place, suddenly they would no longer talk to him anymore and became very clannish and left him out!

@Jav
Greetings dude ur post reminds me of another Yoruba woman's post about Igbos in LAGOS. She says she helped a POOR Igbo chap from Anambra got him a job in his workplace. After few months he brought his whole VILLAGE and started talking back at him.

These people have got TRIBALIST CLIQUE MENTALITY.

THEIR TRIBALIST SHIT MENTALITY IS OUTDATED.

Slimmy fool made noise about Igbo wealthTO SEE HOW bleeped IGBOS ARE CHECK THEIR TOWNS AND VILLAGES ONLINE. If u happen to visit SOUTH AFRICA on your hotel room please switch on the DSTV Channels like Africa Magic or BBC Africa. YOU WILL SEE SLUMS.

NIGERIA TOP 4 RICH ARE ALL YORUBAS AND FULANIS FACT.

@Jav
These TRIBALISTS stay there. note theyr surrounded by other tribes who have contributed to their culture and language genetics over the years.

THE IGBO DOGS NEIGHBOURS
A. On the left KWA groups like Edo,Bini,Yoruba,Urhobo
B. On the right the SEMI BANTU(Ibibio,Annang,Efik) AND BANTUS(Tiv,Tikar).

@Radiollo
EVERYONE KNOWS WHO UR 419ER STOP CHANGING IDENTITY.

Do I have a problem with you, Kwame?

From them claiming 'Igbos are claiming everything' and getting thrashed like a pack of falling cards, they jumped into 'Igbos are tribal' and then to 'Igbos are backwards with slums as villages' . There's nothing these people won't make up just to talk something negative about the Igbo.

Mexicans migrate in large numbers into US every year so that they can escape the bad economy in their country and have a better life. Many Mexicans are low income and average income earning people in US and Mexico. Carlos Slim, among the top 3 richest men in the world, is from Mexico. He's a rich mexican but does that automatically translate to mean that Mexicans are rich people?Some people's logic are really twisted.

When you talk about a tribe's financial status, you talk about the distribution of wealth generally and not just one person's wealth. In a tribe 10 can be rich and the remaining 3 million living below the poverty line. Does that automatically translate to the tribe being rich? While on the other hand a tribe could have a greater proportion of its people above average financially, and with some rich folks but with no extremely rich folks, yet ranked better off as a tribe than the previous example. People without the common basics of economics keep fooling themselves making ignorant statements.

Oh! African Magic is even watched in SA? And also all over Africa! Amazing! Nollywood is purely an Igbo empire. Look at what the Igbo did out of Nollywood in just a space of 2 decades after the civil war. Between 1985 and 2005 Nollywood grew to be a very lucrative movie industry. Nollywood industry currently ranks third in the world, after Hollywood and Bollywood! How wonderful!

Thanks to the hardwork, perseverance, strength, business sense education and doggedness of the Igbo. Haters can lick their sores all they want.

Some people are truly in love with the Igbo. I've never seen another tribe get this much attention like the Igbo people.

There's a saying that if they don't talk about you, you're a nobody.

@Radoillo...Nwa Awka...kedu?

A pasakwa m. Maka Chukwu ike thread a, agwugo m?

Did that nigga have to call my name, though?

Radoillo: A pasakwa m. Maka Chukwu ike thread a, agwugo m?

Did that nigga have to call my name, though?

Oo ife a na-akpo isi nkopu. O da-ekwu okwu ka onye malu ife. I guo ife niine o na-ede, I malu na o macharo ife. I da-afu ife o na-ede?

I furo na o na-ezezi m?

I am a middle aged African American man who has fallen under the powerful mystic and beauty of the Igbo. I am learning Igbo language and traditions. Never have I felt as close to Mother Africa as when I chanced upon the GREAT IGBO people of NIGERIA. I have Igbo friends in Asaba, Owerri, Port Harcourt, Lagos, Benin City, Abuja, Aba South, Calabar, and other places I have not yet learned how to pronounce. I love the Igbos.

AnOlderAmerican: I am a middle aged African American man who has fallen under the powerful mystic and beauty of the Igbo. I am learning Igbo language and traditions. Never have I felt as close to Mother Africa as when I chanced upon the GREAT IGBO people of NIGERIA. I have Igbo friends in Asaba, Owerri, Port Harcourt, Lagos, Benin City, Abuja, Aba South, Calabar, and other places I have not yet learned how to pronounce. I love the Igbos.

Thanks for the wonderful admission. Bless your soul.

My first friend from 9ja ( I call Nigeria 9ja now too) is Yoruba, in fact, I had 4 Yoruba friends and still remain in contact with 2, I never felt the vibrant life, the boldness, color, passion, intelligence, and cohesiveness of Igbo family/community life, rather, constant arguing with me that had me feeling like I was walking on eggs having to prove my sincerity, not so with the Igbo, after being burnt by a few bad apples (scammed) I discovered THE TRUE IGBO and now my family loves all things IGBO. Two of my nieces just came back to NJ from ABA where they met two fine Igbo men and they will marry in the US in 2014. Big Frances do you Facebook? Send me name in e mail.

Look at the disgusting self hating Nigerians here!

Shameful. Everyday we read about atrocities taking place in Nigeria, yet we feel superior enough to come to NL and call AA's names?

So sad and shameful. The black race is really cursed.

AnOlderAmerican: My first friend from 9ja ( I call Nigeria 9ja now too) is Yoruba, in fact, I had 4 Yoruba friends and still remain in contact with 2, I never felt the vibrant life, the boldness, color, passion, intelligence, and cohesiveness of Igbo family/community life, rather, constant arguing with me that had me feeling like I was walking on eggs having to prove my sincerity, not so with the Igbo, after being burnt by a few bad apples (scammed) I discovered THE TRUE IGBO and now my family loves all things IGBO. Two of my nieces just came back to NJ from ABA where they met two fine Igbo men and they will marry in the US in 2014. Big Frances do you Facebook? Send me name in e mail.

That's nice of you to say. Thanks. How's New Jersey today?

Lol...ds bigfrancis guy is still here spreading lies?

Seriously why is it so important to you to claim people?

You'll have to point out those lies I'm spreading. Lmao

Some people just don't want to ever hear anything good about the Igbo.

When it comes to Igbo achievement, it becomes claiming. Lmao. You only want your tribal achievements extolled. When the Igbo do theirs it becomes claiming. Lmao

You're not the first of your type coming here. Others have come and gone.

django1: Lol...ds bigfrancis guy is still here spreading lies?

Seriously why is it so important to you to claim people?

Massive inferiority complex.