Ezzywaymadu:

Accept Him U will see the light.

AntiChristian:


Master liar for Jesus. Your lies are just getting monumental by the day.

Where did the Qu'ran say "Jesus is alive till today after resurrection and death"?

Mecka:
Dead sea scrolls are proofs

advocatejare:

That's the lie that Allah the best of the deceivers told you.
Jesus' mission is to the whole world but the first call are the Jews and then the whole world
Isaiah 42.6 - "I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles,
John.3.14 - Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
John.3.15 - that everyone[b] who believes in him may have eternal life.
John.3.16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Mark.16.15 - He said to them, "
Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.
Mark.16.16 - Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved , but whoever does not believe will be condemned.....

Kobojunkie:
You are confusing things here.

God created the world alright, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with His ability to maintain His creation a all. He created this instead to be "maintained" by man, and so He gave it over the man, as far as manintainance is concerned. So if you want healing and saving of the world, take your issues up with Man.

Man has not handed it back to God so I don't see why you expect God to then come in to heal and save it...I mean save it from whom...man?

God created humans, yes, but if humans hated their life of agony and pain, as you call it, they could always choose death, thanks to the first man making certain by his choices that is added to the equation. If life is as you say pain and agony, then why procreate?

Human chose to multiply their ranks into the billions knowing fully well what is in store for them as they do. So I am not sure where you find God to blame in all of this still.

Lotechi:
You forget that God in an attempt to “rid the world of sin’” destroyed the world and saved only Noah.

Lotechi:
He even went further to destroy sodom.

Lotechi:
So, your argument that he is not supposed to do something about our pain and grief is just flawed.

Lotechi:
If his love is unconditional, why do we have to obey him first?

Lotechi:
Just so you know, there are still folks that obey him that are living through unimaginable pain and grief.

Lotechi:
Y’all are scared to admit that God may not be as compassionate and caring towards humans. He probably is just after his glory, which is just very selfish if you ask me.

Kobojunkie:
So, I had to truncate all of that so as to find anything meaningful as a response to my comment.

If you will note for yourself, none of the verses you quote above tells you that Jesus Christ died for the sins of mankind. So, where do you get that idea from?

advocatejare:

Romans 5:8
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
John 1:29
The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed.
John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 Corinthians 15:3
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
1 John 3:16
By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers.
John 10:11
“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.
John 10:15
even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

Kobojunkie:
The entire world had been condemned from the time of Adam to Death(perish in the grave) for their unbelief and it remained so until God decided to gift the people of Israel with a Covenant, through Moses, stipulating that as far as those of the blood of Jacob, all who believe and obey Him will live, while those who refuse will remain condemned to die.

At the same time, those of gentile roots who did not live in the land of Israel remained condemned to die for their unbelief. The gentiles were never under Law - the Law is what defines what sin is - and they had already been judged and condemned for their unbelief. Judged guilty and condemned, by Almighty God Himself, to die for their unbelief even as they lived. So what they needed saving from, which is Death and not sin, and that is exactly what Salvation through Jesus Christ is about.

Now, when Jesus Christ showed up on the scene, He did so, first on behalf of the lost sheep of Israel, a mission which He completed at His death. Upon His resurrection, He defeated Death on behalf of those who were already condemned to die, the gentiles mainly, and He threw open the gates to the Kingdom of God via His New Covenant to those of gentile roots who were, bringing them now under the Law(contract) that is embodied in Him, Jesus Christ.

And according to the same Jesus Christ, not all will be saved.... only those who will believe and accept Him will be saved. Meaning that those who do not believe Him remain condemned to die, as it was the case in the beginning. And even then, of those who believe in Him, only those who accept and obey Him will become Son of God.

Kobojunkie:

Now read the rest.

advocatejare:
Comment on your lies that I exposed first. Your claims that Jesus didn't die for our sins.
Accept that you're wrong first before we move on.

Isaiah 53 vs 4-11 (ERV)
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4. The fact is, it was our suffering he took on himself; he bore our pain. But we thought that God was punishing him, that God was beating him for something he did.
5. But he was being punished for what we did. He was crushed because of our guilt. He took the punishment we deserved, and this brought us peace. We were healed because of his pain.
6. We had all wandered away like sheep. We had gone our own way. And yet the Lord put all our guilt on him.
7. He was treated badly, but he never protested. He said nothing, like a lamb being led away to be killed. He was like a sheep that makes no sound as its wool is being cut off. He never opened his mouth to defend himself.
8. He was taken away by force and judged unfairly. The people of his time did not even notice that he was killed.[b] But he was put to death[c] for the sins of his[d] people.
9. He had done no wrong to anyone. He had never even told a lie. But he was buried among the wicked. His tomb was with the rich.
10. But the Lord was pleased with this humble servant who suffered such pain.[e] Even after giving himself as an offering for sin, he will see his descendants and enjoy a long life. He will succeed in doing what the Lord wanted.
11. After his suffering he will see the light,[f] and he will be satisfied with what he experienced.

Kobojunkie:
Like I said, Jesus Christ did not die for the sins of mankind... He died for the sins of the Jews who only make up a very small number as far as mankind is concerned; His resurrection instead was for the Gentile world

advocatejare:

You need to read this again, digest it and purge yourself from wrong doctrines
Romans 5:8
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
John 1:29
The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed.
John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 Corinthians 15:3
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
1 John 3:16
By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers.
John 10:11
“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.
John 10:15
even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

Kobojunkie:
Like I said, Jesus Christ did not die for the sins of mankind... He died for the sins of the Jews who only make up a very small number as far as mankind is concerned; His resurrection instead was for the Gentile world

Incognito403:

Lol, it's your own tafseer of the Quran that is reliable.

Keemsleek005:
If jesus had not risen, we will still be buried in the rituals of the old testament. We will still be sacrificing animals to atone for our sins not like now we can go on her knees to ask for forgiveness. Only the priest would have access to the holy of the holiest ( the alter) just as we stroll casual to the alter and nothing happens.We would still be following the strict laws of the 10 commandment.

Keemsleek005:
Only a certain kind of Generations or special picked by God will have access to him and not like now we have so many pastors filled with anionting. There would be nothing like Grace, etc

Ezekiel 34 vs 9-16 (ERV)
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9. So, you shepherds, listen to the word of the Lord!
10. The Lord God says, “I am against the shepherds. I will demand my sheep from them. I will fire them. They will not be my shepherds anymore. Then the shepherds will not be able to feed themselves, and I will save my flock from their mouths. Then my sheep will not be food for them.”
11. The Lord God says, “I myself will be their Shepherd. I will search for my sheep and take care of them.
12. If a shepherd is with his sheep when they begin to wander away, he will go searching for them. In the same way I will search for my sheep. I will save them and bring them back from all the places where they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day.
13. I will bring them back from those nations. I will gather them from those countries and bring them back to their own land. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the places where people live.
14. I will lead them to grassy fields. They will go to the place high on the mountains of Israel and lie down on good ground and eat the grass. They will eat in rich grassland on the mountains of Israel.
15. Yes, I will feed my flock, and I will lead them to a place of rest.” This is what the Lord God said.
16. “I will search for the lost sheep. I will bring back the sheep that were scattered and put bandages on the sheep that were hurt. I will make the weak sheep strong, but I will destroy the fat and powerful shepherds. I will feed them the punishment they deserve.”

advocatejare:

Why would I do Tafseer for you? Your deceptive scholars are paid to do such.

I only charge you to reason and understand, rather than cram Arabic. Get an Arabic dictionary, a standard and check for the meaning of salat and relate it to what we're discussing

Incognito403:


These scholars of tafseer are the natural owners of Arabic language. The arabic they speak and explanation they give for an arabic word is what the dictionary documents.

So leaving their explanation for a dictionary is like leaving the source for the derived. It's a classic definition of stu.pidity.

Secondly, there are many figures of speech take words from their literal meaning to a new meaning. People who read well understand this. Every language expert understands this.

As I said earlier, I'll leave you to wallow in your delusion, ignorance and arrogance.

advocatejare:

Islam was founded on deception.

Muhammad was a deceiver and a murderer who encouraged his followers to lie and murder


Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!......


.....When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."
-Sahih Bukhari 5:59:369

Your religion permits lying even under oath to defend your religion.

Allah parades himself as the best of the deceivers, so how much more your scholars who are only following the footsteps of their lords


Allah is not only a deceiver but the best of the deceivers, the same title of Satan, the father of lies.

Quran 8:30
wa-idh yamkuru bika alladhīna kafarū liyuth'bitūka aw yaqtulūka aw yukh'rijūka wayamkurūna wayamkuru l-lahu wal-lahu khayru l-mākirīna

And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and Allah deceives/schemes and Allah (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers.

Makirina is from (مَكْر [makir] ) which means cunning, deceptive, guile.

Incognito403:

Jumping from one flimsy argument to another like a mountain goat.

No time to waste with you again. If I counter this, you'll bring another argument. And you didn't even try to respond to any of the points I raised for you.

You've lost a long time ago. If only you had deep reasoning.