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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by enilove(m): 2:40pm On Jun 05
mhmsadyq:


You are only want to argue as usual.
You have been here sufficiently to know who Allah is.
Muslims have schooled you enough about Allah.

Allah is not an idol in any form or object.
Allah can never take human form for whatever reason.
Allah can never beget. This is an animal act!

[112:1] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"قُلۡ ہُوَ اللّٰہُ اَحَدٌ ۚ﴿۱﴾

(O Esteemed Messenger!) Proclaim: ‘He is Allah, Who is the One.


[112:2] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"اَللّٰہُ الصَّمَدُ ۚ﴿۲﴾

Allah is the Transcendent of all, the Protector and Far-Superior to all.
[112:3] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"لَمۡ یَلِدۡ ۬ۙ وَ لَمۡ یُوۡلَدۡ ۙ﴿۳﴾

He has not begotten any, nor is He begotten.

[112:4] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"وَ لَمۡ یَکُنۡ لَّہٗ کُفُوًا اَحَدٌ ٪﴿۴﴾

Nor is there anyone equal to Him.’


For Muhammad to cause you these obssessions is also an evidence of his prophethood.

As a Muslim I have no issue with what Jesus did or did not do. He wasn't God nor the son of God. Simple!

[10:65] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"وَ لَا یَحۡزُنۡکَ قَوۡلُہُمۡ ۘ اِنَّ الۡعِزَّۃَ لِلّٰہِ جَمِیۡعًا ؕ ہُوَ السَّمِیۡعُ الۡعَلِیۡمُ ﴿۶۵﴾
(O Glorious Messenger!) Let not their (hostile and malicious) conversation grieve you. Surely, all grandeur and authority belong to Allah alone (Who bestows upon whom He wills anything He may please). He is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
[10:66] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"اَلَاۤ اِنَّ لِلّٰہِ مَنۡ فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ مَنۡ فِی الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ وَ مَا یَتَّبِعُ الَّذِیۡنَ یَدۡعُوۡنَ مِنۡ دُوۡنِ اللّٰہِ شُرَکَآءَ ؕ اِنۡ یَّـتَّبِعُوۡنَ اِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَ اِنۡ ہُمۡ اِلَّا یَخۡرُصُوۡنَ ﴿۶۶﴾
Know! To Allah belongs whoever is in the heavens and whoever is in the earth. And those who worship (idols) besides Allah do not (in fact) follow (even) their (own sculptured) partner-gods. They follow but only (their own) assumption and conjecture, and they merely indulge in wrong guesswork.
[10:67] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"ہُوَ الَّذِیۡ جَعَلَ لَکُمُ الَّیۡلَ لِتَسۡکُنُوۡا فِیۡہِ وَ النَّہَارَ مُبۡصِرًا ؕ اِنَّ فِیۡ ذٰلِکَ لَاٰیٰتٍ لِّقَوۡمٍ یَّسۡمَعُوۡنَ ﴿۶۷﴾
He is the One Who has made the night for you so that you may rest and relax therein, and made the day bright (so that therein you may do your work). Surely, there are signs in this for those who listen (attentively).
[10:68] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"قَالُوا اتَّخَذَ اللّٰہُ وَلَدًا سُبۡحٰنَہٗ ؕ ہُوَ الۡغَنِیُّ ؕ لَہٗ مَا فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ مَا فِی الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ اِنۡ عِنۡدَکُمۡ مِّنۡ سُلۡطٰنٍۭ بِہٰذَا ؕ اَتَقُوۡلُوۡنَ عَلَی اللّٰہِ مَا لَا تَعۡلَمُوۡنَ ﴿۶۸﴾
They say: ‘Allah has adopted a son (for Himself,’ whereas) He is Holy. He is Self-Sufficient. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth, all belongs to Him alone. You have no evidence with you of this (false allegation). Do you attribute that (thing) to Allah which you (yourselves) do not know?
[10:69] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"قُلۡ اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ یَفۡتَرُوۡنَ عَلَی اللّٰہِ الۡکَذِبَ لَا یُفۡلِحُوۡنَ ﴿ؕ۶۹﴾
Say: ‘Surely, those who fabricate lies against Allah shall not prosper.’
[10:70] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"مَتَاعٌ فِی الدُّنۡیَا ثُمَّ اِلَیۡنَا مَرۡجِعُہُمۡ ثُمَّ نُذِیۡقُہُمُ الۡعَذَابَ الشَّدِیۡدَ بِمَا کَانُوۡا یَکۡفُرُوۡنَ ﴿٪۷۰﴾
There is (but a few days’) enjoyment in this world. Then they are to return to Us. We shall then afflict them with a severe torment as recompense for their disbelief.

You can continue your argument.


I have not met any reasonable Muslims who can be a teacher to any Christian in this world as long as your prophet was commanded to enroll in any Christian school for knowledge as a student.

I have one simple question for you which will make me to know whether you are different from others .

What evidence do you have to prove that Muhammad Qur'an is from God Almighty .

To quote the Bible or the Qur'an is not an evidence that they are from God since anyone can writer down magical books which some people follow and it works for them.

What evidence do you have to show the Qur'an is from God your Creator ?

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by mhmsadyq(m): 4:45pm On Jun 05
enilove:


I have not met any reasonable Muslims who can be a teacher to any Christian in this world as long as your prophet was commanded to enroll in any Christian school for knowledge as a student.

I have one simple question for you which will make me to know whether you are different from others .

What evidence do you have to prove that Muhammad Qur'an is from God Almighty .

To quote the Bible or the Qur'an is not an evidence that they are from God since anyone can writer down magical books which some people follow and it works for them.


What evidence do you have to show the Qur'an is from God your Creator ?

In Islam the Qur'an is an evidence of God my creator.
So, limit your understanding to you bible which seems to be making you insecure.

Why ask a question when answered, you will argue.
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by enilove(m): 5:22pm On Jun 05
mhmsadyq:


In Islam the Qur'an is an evidence of God my creator.
So, limit your understanding to you bible which seems to be making you insecure.

Why ask a question when answered, you will argue.


You believe the Qur'an is the word of God without reasoning about why you need to believe it ?

How did Muhammad received things that happened 3000 years b4 his birth from God and could not receive information about his personal life and family ?

What I mean is this :

Hadith
Narrated Abu Hurairah:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) would accept a present, but would not accept alms (sadaqah). And Wahb bin Baqiyyah narrated to us, elsewhere, from Khalid, from Muhammad ibn Amr said on the authority of Abu Salamah, and he did not mention the name of Abu Hurairah: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to accept presents but not alms (sadaqah).

This version adds: So a Jewess presented him at Khaybar with a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) ate of it and the people also ate.

He then said: Take away your hands (from the food), for it has informed me that it is poisoned. Bishr ibn al-Bara' ibn Ma'rur al-Ansari died.

So he (the Prophet) sent for the Jewess (and said to her): What motivated you to do the work you have done?

She said: If you were a prophet, it would not harm you; but if you were a king, I should rid the people of you. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) then ordered regarding her and she was killed. He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaybar. This is the time when it has cut off my aorta.

Hasan Sahih (Al-Albani)
Sunan Abi Dawud 4512
In-book : Book 41, Hadith 19
English translation : Book 40, Hadith 4497
Abu Dawood

He could not receive revelation about what was going to happen to him because his former revelations were googled and fake .

Muhammad had to send Aishat parking because they told him she committed adultery.
He took her back months after people reconciled them together .
But he could not say whether it was true or not.

That is just a token of the evidences that Muhammad never received anything from God.

Is it not unwise to believe such person ?

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by AntiChristian: 7:59am On Jun 06
enilove:


You have just quoted a daif Bible written by the daif Muslim.
The true Bible did not mention Matthew's name severally as you claimed above :

Matthew 9:9-10 KJV
And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him. [10] And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

Why should there be weak or strong book of Allah since a copy is in heaven with Allah ?

Now let's take a look at your Qur'an :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?"
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 30)

Just like your question above about whether it was Matthew who wrote the book of Matthew .
Who wrote the above Qur'an ? Who was the speaker ?

How can Allah say '' may Allah destroy them''?

You still haven't answered who wrote the book of Matthew? Was it Matthew or holy spirit? How can we verify?

Was it Matthew speaking of himself as he?

Answer that first before we move to the Qu'ran!
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by advocatejare(m): 9:54am On Jun 06
AntiChristian:


You still haven't answered who wrote the book of Matthew? Was it Matthew or holy spirit? How can we verify?

Was it Matthew speaking of himself as he?

Answer that first before we move to the Qu'ran!
Just show us the gospel Allah gave to your anabi Isa or are you saying that Allah was not powerful enough to preserve the book he gave to his most beloved Son that Allah got by blowing his spirit into the farjaha of Maryam?

Allah or whoever the authors of the Quran is even confessed that Jesus is distinguished in this world and in the Here after, an attribute no one else have not even Muhammad

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 4:44pm On Jun 06
AntiChristian:

You still haven't answered who wrote the book of Matthew? Was it Matthew or holy spirit? How can we verify?
Was it Matthew speaking of himself as he?
Answer that first before we move to the Qu'ran!
There are many church leaders in the first and second centuries who affirmed that Matthew wrote the Gospel. If we show you would you believe? No; because you are hoping that we will have no answers. You are not looking for answer to help you believe but for argument sake.

What you should be more concerned about are the following:
1. Mohamed NEVER wrote the Koran. At the most he recited it.
2. No bound copy existed during his lifetime.
3.The earlier copies of the RECITATIONS put together from scattered writings was later destroyed by Uthman when he made his REVISED VERSION.
4. The revised version may have edited out many truths Mohamed taught. Recall that when Ibn Hisham rewrote Ibn Ishaq's biography of Mohamed he edited out things he didn't like. So, 'editing' is not new to Islam.
5. And even Uthman's copy CANNOT be found today. All today's copies are those written well after Uthman. For example, do you know when Hafs produced his Koran? What about the differences between the Arabic versions of the Koran? Differences which in many cases change the meanings.
6. Virtually all of the writers of the Hadiths never came from Mecca or Medina. How come?
They came from hundreds or thousands of MILES away - apparently they were men who were skilled in writing and were commissioned to come up with a system for the emerging religion.
7. The black stone in Islam's most sacred place of worship which is kissed by Moslems. Is the black stone there for no reason and is being kissed for nothing?

Ofcourse nothing pointed out above about the discrepancies in Islam will mean anything to you guys. You've been sold a dummy and you have bought it hook line and sinker.
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by Adamgeneral12: 5:31pm On Jun 06
una go argue soooooo tay una fingers will get sour wey be say una no go fit type anything again at the end of the day the result go be no winner no vanquish.

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by enilove(m): 6:05pm On Jun 06
AntiChristian:


You still haven't answered who wrote the book of Matthew? Was it Matthew or holy spirit? How can we verify?

Was it Matthew speaking of himself as he?

Answer that first before we move to the Qu'ran!

It was written by Matthew .

Can you answer my question also ;

Who wrote this Qur'an verse below ?

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?"
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 30)

Why did Allah say '' may Allah destroy them'' ?

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by advocatejare(m): 6:38pm On Jun 06
enilove:


It was written by Matthew .

Can you answer my question also ;

Who wrote this Qur'an verse below ?

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?"
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 30)

Why did Allah say '' may Allah destroy them'' ?


Abi let's ask Antichristian whom Allah was praying to here if the Quran is purely the words of Allah and not of Muhammad or other humans:

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

اهْدِنَا الصِّرٰطَ الْمُسْتَقِيمَ
"Guide us to the straight path -"
(QS. Al-Faatiha 1: Verse 6)



Antichristian,
This verse is not preceded by qul (say) which means it's a direct speech of whoever the author of the Quran is and since you Muslims claim that the Quran is the words of Allah (even though Allah never spoke to Muhammad directly, it was an unknown jinn that tormented Muhammad in the cave of Hira that revealed some part of the Quran to him) then Allah is the one praying here to be guided to the right path.

So if Allah and Muhammad were not on the right path, how can you Muslims ever find the right path?

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by AntiChristian: 8:27am On Jun 08
advocatejare:

Abi let's ask Antichristian whom Allah was praying to here if the Quran is purely the words of Allah and not of Muhammad or other humans:

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

اهْدِنَا الصِّرٰطَ الْمُسْتَقِيمَ
"Guide us to the straight path -"
(QS. Al-Faatiha 1: Verse 6)

Antichristian,
This verse is not preceded by qul (say) which means it's a direct speech of whoever the author of the Quran is and since you Muslims claim that the Quran is the words of Allah (even though Allah never spoke to Muhammad directly, it was an unknown jinn that tormented Muhammad in the cave of Hira that revealed some part of the Quran to him) then Allah is the one praying here to be guided to the right path.

So if Allah and Muhammad were not on the right path, how can you Muslims ever find the right path?

This is not the first time you'll be asking this same question and you'll never stop asking it even if clear cut answers are given to you.

What does Fatiha mean? And what does Allah intent by its revelation? Go and read the context and exegesis.
Alhmadulillah you sabi search am just that you dey comot truth for your Christian colleagues to cheer you.

If someone asks, "Why does the believer ask Allah for guidance during every prayer and at other times, while he is already properly guided Has he not already acquired guidance''
The answer to these questions is that if it were not a fact that the believer needs to keep asking for guidance day and night, Allah would not have directed him to invoke Him to acquire the guidance. The servant needs Allah the Exalted every hour of his life to help him remain firm on the path of guidance and to make him even more firm and persistent on it. The servant does not have the power to benefit or harm himself, except by Allah's permission. Therefore, Allah directed the servant to invoke Him constantly, so that He provides him with His aid and with firmness and success. Indeed, the happy person is he whom Allah guides to ask of Him. This is especially the case if a person urgently needs Allah's help day or night.
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by AntiChristian: 8:35am On Jun 08
enilove:


It was written by Matthew .

How can we confirm this? The context of the verse is where Matthew met Jesus. Matthew should have said Jesus met me or I met Jesus.

Why did Matthew commit a grammatical blunder by addressing himself as "he" (or Mathew) instead of "me"?

Can you answer my question also ;

Who wrote this Qur'an verse below?

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?"
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 30)

Why did Allah say '' may Allah destroy them'' ?


Allah addresses Himself as I at times. And at times He calls His name Allah or other names of HIs. And at times He uses Us/We for His Majestic self.

What is the context and exegesis of the verse you quoted?
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by AntiChristian: 8:38am On Jun 08
sagenaija:

There are many church leaders in the first and second centuries who affirmed that Matthew wrote the Gospel. If we show you would you believe? No; because you are hoping that we will have no answers. You are not looking for answer to help you believe but for argument sake.

What you should be more concerned about are the following:
1. Mohamed NEVER wrote the Koran. At the most he recited it.
2. No bound copy existed during his lifetime.
3.The earlier copies of the RECITATIONS put together from scattered writings was later destroyed by Uthman when he made his REVISED VERSION.
4. The revised version may have edited out many truths Mohamed taught. Recall that when Ibn Hisham rewrote Ibn Ishaq's biography of Mohamed he edited out things he didn't like. So, 'editing' is not new to Islam.
5. And even Uthman's copy CANNOT be found today. All today's copies are those written well after Uthman. For example, do you know when Hafs produced his Koran? What about the differences between the Arabic versions of the Koran? Differences which in many cases change the meanings.
6. Virtually all of the writers of the Hadiths never came from Mecca or Medina. How come?
They came from hundreds or thousands of MILES away - apparently they were men who were skilled in writing and were commissioned to come up with a system for the emerging religion.
7. The black stone in Islam's most sacred place of worship which is kissed by Moslems. Is the black stone there for no reason and is being kissed for nothing?

Ofcourse nothing pointed out above about the discrepancies in Islam will mean anything to you guys. You've been sold a dummy and you have bought it hook line and sinker.

Is this your proof that Matthew wrote the book of Matthew? Chai! Christianity oo religion of Church leaders!
Who were the Church leaders? And how can we trace them to Matthew as available in Islam?

All these your questions are simple. Just proof that Matthew wrote the Book of Matthew for me now.
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by Rashduct4luv(m): 12:06pm On Jun 08
sagenaija:
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1. By phrasing a new question to answer it whilst setting aside the one I asked, you just show yourself to be disingenuous.

The simple answer is that Daif Hadiths are NOT REJECTED in Islam. But when you guys want to think that you are smart you begin to run to 'sound', 'good' or 'weak'.
If they were rejected, why have they not been expunged from Islamic books?

Why still retain what, according to you, has "falsehood or contain errors"; If indeed Islam truly consider them so?

Daif ahadith are not rejected in Islam than what are they used for? This is one problem with you Christian guys. One answer will never be sufficient for you. You keep twisting one's reply to suit your narrative.
Why will Daif ahadith be expunged when our texts were mostly committed to memory and transferred from generations to generations unlike your Bible? If it is expunged from all books who will expunge the ones in some people's memory, etc?

2. You said:


Now, let's use the same yardstick for your Koran:
"In the name of ALLAH, the Gracious, the Merciful. All praise is due to ALLAH alone, Lord of all the worlds. The Gracious, the Merciful. Master of the Day of Judgment. THEE alone do we worship and THEE alone do we implore for help. Guide us in the straight path, The path of those on whom THOU hast bestowed THY favours, those who have not incurred THY displeasure and those who have not gone astray."
Chapter 1:1-7

This is Allah speaking here. You Moslems believe that it is Allah that is speaking in the Koran.
So, why is Allah saying "In the name of Allah, ......"?
Why is Allah saying "All praise is due to ALLAH alone"?
What of the 'Thee' and 'Thou' and 'Thy'?

What of these:
He it is who sends PRAYERS on you (Arabic- yusallii alaykum), as do His angels ... S. 33:43

Allah and His angels PRAY for the Prophet (Arabic- yasalluuna alan-Nabiyy): O ye that believe PRAY for him (salluu `alayhi), and salute him with all respect. S. 33:56

Why is Allah speaking as if he is referring to a third party?

Allah is majestic and can use any language that befits Him. The translation usually depicts His majestic nature.
For example in your Bible, LORD is different from Lord and lord too exists which does not exists in Hebrew.

The way a word is translated for the Almighty is different from the way it is translated for humans! Is Matthew your god now?
Can you answer why Matthew a human used "he" for himself instead of "me" in the passage given?

And fathia is the off repeated verses. The Surah is called The Prayer.
Muslim narrated in an Hadith that from the Prophet that Allah says:

“I have split The Prayer into two parts, one for me and one for My servant, and My
servant will have what he asks for. When the servant says: Praise be to Allah, the Lord of
All the Worlds, I say: ‘My servant has praised Me.’ When he says: The Most Gracious,
Most Merciful, I say: ‘My servant has extolled Me.’ When he says Master of the Day of
Judgment, I say: ‘My servant has glorified Me’ or ‘My servant has deferred to Me.’
When he says: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help, I say: ‘This is
between Me and My servant, and my servant will have what he asks for.’ When he says:
Guide us to the straight way, The way of those on whom you have bestowed Your grace,
not the way of those who earn Your anger, nor of those who go astray, I say: ‘This is for
My servant, and My servant will have what he asks for.”
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by Rashduct4luv(m): 12:19pm On Jun 08
enilove:


You have just quoted a daif Bible written by the daif Muslim.
The true Bible did not mention Matthew's name severally as you claimed above :

Matthew 9:9-10 KJV
And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him. [10] And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

Why should there be weak or strong book of Allah since a copy is in heaven with Allah ?

Now let's take a look at your Qur'an :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?"
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 30)

Just like your question above about whether it was Matthew who wrote the book of Matthew .
Who wrote the above Qur'an ? Who was the speaker ?

How can Allah say '' may Allah destroy them''?


Check this passage below and tell me if it was Matthew narrating the event:

Mat. 9 vs 9-10
The Calling of Matthew
9 As Jesus went on from there, He saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax booth. “Follow Me,” He told him, and Matthew got up and followed Him. 10 Later, as Jesus was dining at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with Him and His disciples.…

If it was truly Matthew narrating the event, the passage would read:
9 As Jesus went on from there, He saw me sitting at the tax booth. “Follow Me,” He told me, and i[/b]got up and followed Him. 10 Later, as Jesus was dining at [b]my house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with Him and His disciples.…

Common pronoun usage
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by advocatejare(m): 1:11pm On Jun 08
AntiChristian:


This is not the first time you'll be asking this same question and you'll never stop asking it even if clear cut answers are given to you.

What does Fatiha mean? And what does Allah intent by its revelation? Go and read the context and exegesis.
State where it is stated that you need exegesis to understand the Qur'an. Are you claiming that you know more than Allah or whoever the authors of the Qur'an are who claim that the Qur'an is clear

"And We did not give Prophet Muhammad, knowledge of poetry, nor is it befitting for him. It is not but a message and a clear Qur'an"
(QS. Yaseen 36: Verse 69)

"This [Qur'an] is a clear statement to [all] the people and a guidance and instruction for those conscious of Allah."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 138)


Alhmadulillah you sabi search am just that you dey comot truth for your Christian colleagues to cheer you.
Who was the misguided soul praying to be guided in sura fatiha?



The answer to these questions is that if it were not a fact that the believer needs to keep asking for guidance day and night, Allah would not have directed him to invoke Him to acquire the guidance.
Then you are all confused. How can you be praying to be guided when you have already been guided?


The servant needs Allah the Exalted every hour of his life to help him remain firm on the path of guidance and to make him even more firm and persistent on it. The servant does not have the power to benefit or harm himself, except by Allah's permission. Therefore, Allah directed the servant to invoke Him constantly, so that He provides him with His aid and with firmness and success. Indeed, the happy person is he whom Allah guides to ask of Him. This is especially the case if a person urgently needs Allah's help day or night.
Help remain firm is not in fatiha. It's to be guided. That shows that the creators of Islam knew that they were misguided.
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by enilove(m): 1:28pm On Jun 08
AntiChristian:


How can we confirm this? The context of the verse is where Matthew met Jesus. Matthew should have said Jesus met me or I met Jesus.

Why did Matthew commit a grammatical blunder by addressing himself as "he" (or Mathew) instead of "me"?

Allah addresses Himself as I at times. And at times He calls His name Allah or other names of HIs. And at times He uses Us/We for His Majestic self.

What is the context and exegesis of the verse you quoted?


1)
That of Matthew is not an issue because the book is not about Matthew but about Jesus.

Matthew is not the main character but Jesus .
Jesus is the protagonist or the main character in the Book of Matthew.

Where the writer is the protagonist , it would be normal to be addressed as '' I '' Me'' myself'' etc . That is , it will be in the first person singular.
But in this case , the book of Matthew only made mention of Matthew twice , in Matthew 9:9-10 and 10:3 . Other characters like Peter appeared even more that the writer.

It is the BEST PRACTICE in book writing to address the writer in 3rd person singular since his role is insignificant.

WHAT ABOUT THE QUR'AN ?
2) The case of your Qur'an is compound problems and that of fraud.
Your problem with the book of Matthew is that Matthew addressed himself in the 3rd person singular but you don't have problems with Allah addressing himself in 1st person singular and 1st person plural and 3rd person plural .
Is that not the meaning of HYPOCRISY ?

3) What has context got to do with grammatical errors and fraud of Impersonations ?
And whst exegesis are you going to give to errors, other than to cover-up the blunders .

Those that live in glass houses don't throw stones.
The mistakes and errors of the Qur'an wouldn't have mean much since humans can make mistakes or errors at time. But to say the Qur'an was written by God with a copy in heaven is pure devilish lie.

Ladtly , If you want to reconfirm what your prophet and Allah have confirmed , first contact Muhammad and Allah and if they can't give you a tangible answer , come back and take Matthew's phone number.
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by mhmsadyq(m): 1:31pm On Jun 08
advocatejare:

State where it is stated that you need exegesis to understand the Qur'an. Are you claiming that you know more than Allah or whoever the authors of the Qur'an are who claim that the Qur'an is clear

"And We did not give Prophet Muhammad, knowledge of poetry, nor is it befitting for him. It is not but a message and a clear Qur'an"
(QS. Yaseen 36: Verse 69)

"This [Qur'an] is a clear statement to [all] the people

and a guidance and instruction for those conscious of Allah."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 138)


Who was the misguided soul praying to be guided in sura fatiha?



Then you are all confused. How can you be praying to be guided when you have already been guided?


Help remain firm is not in fatiha. It's to be guided. That shows that the creators of Islam knew that they were misguided.

Everyday!
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 5:06pm On Jun 08
Rashduct4luv:


Daif ahadith are not rejected in Islam than what are they used for? This is one problem with you Christian guys. One answer will never be sufficient for you. You keep twisting one's reply to suit your narrative.
Why will Daif ahadith be expunged when our texts were mostly committed to memory and transferred from generations to generations unlike your Bible? If it is expunged from all books who will expunge the ones in some people's memory, etc?



Allah is majestic and can use any language that befits Him. The translation usually depicts His majestic nature.
For example in your Bible, LORD is different from Lord and lord too exists which does not exists in Hebrew.

The way a word is translated for the Almighty is different from the way it is translated for humans! Is Matthew your god now?
Can you answer why Matthew a human used "he" for himself instead of "me" in the passage given?

And fathia is the off repeated verses. The Surah is called The Prayer.
Muslim narrated in an Hadith that from the Prophet that Allah says:

“I have split The Prayer into two parts, one for me and one for My servant, and My
servant will have what he asks for. When the servant says: Praise be to Allah, the Lord of
All the Worlds, I say: ‘My servant has praised Me.’ When he says: The Most Gracious,
Most Merciful, I say: ‘My servant has extolled Me.’ When he says Master of the Day of
Judgment, I say: ‘My servant has glorified Me’ or ‘My servant has deferred to Me.’
When he says: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help, I say: ‘This is
between Me and My servant, and my servant will have what he asks for.’ When he says:
Guide us to the straight way, The way of those on whom you have bestowed Your grace,
not the way of those who earn Your anger, nor of those who go astray, I say: ‘This is for
My servant, and My servant will have what he asks for.”

1. I asked a question: Are Daif Hadiths REJECTED in Islam? Instead of answering 'Yes' or 'No' you went on to write up a new question and answer that one as if you answered what I asked.
You said:
I would rather answer the question "What are the ahadith that can be used for Islamic ruling?"
Why didn't you answer my question straightaway? Because you wanted to be disingenuous. And now here you are claiming that others are twisting your reply. Who came up with a different question to the one I asked - you or me?

Talking about memory; are the Hadiths you quote today lifted from written texts or from memory? If Islam understands and agrees that some Hadiths are false what stops Islam from CLEARLY saying so? The real reason is that Islam would want to bring them up when it would suit her cause some other time. Otherwise it is very easy to just let the world know which are true and which ones are false.


2. On al-Fatiha:
Going to the Bible wouldn't help your cause.
Let me make it simple for you:
If a man is writing, he can choose to write in the first person or the third person; that is not the contention. But if he switches from one to the other after every single sentence, to claim that it is still in order must mean that we suspend our senses.

Here you are arguing about Matthew's usage of grammar and EXCUSING the way Allah made his blunder.

The Koran says that Allah PRAYS. When we ask 'To whom?', you guys come up with REINTERPRETATION of the words used for prayer. Here again we see Allah speaking in such a way as to suggest that he is referring to a superior and you guys engage in explanations that just don't make sense.

Why would Allah be teaching his slaves how to pray and did not clearly say so? Does the hadith you claim specifically say that THE PRAYER refers to this sura?

Allah starts by:
'In the name of Allah...' and
'All praise is due to Allah alone'
Then goes on to say:
'You alone do we worship...' and then
'Guide us in the straight path'

Even if you take the first few words, as you guys argue, as being the words of Allah Allah referring to himself how do you reconcile that with what follows - 'You alone do we worship'? And 'Guide us ...'?
Who is the 'YOU' here and who is the 'WE'?
Who is saying 'Guide us...'?
Obviously the person speaking cannot mean anything different than that the 'WE' is the ones telling the 'YOU' that they worship him - ie. the 'YOU'. And the ones asking for guidance are doing so from a superior being.

BUT THEN, according to Moslems, Allah is the ONLY ONE speaking throughout the Koran. So, when the one speaking says 'You alone do we worship' how can that still be Allah? Is Allah saying that he's part of those worshipping Allah?
AGAIN, nothing in this portion says anything like 'Allah says that when you pray, pray like this ....' If there is please show us. Give us the reference from the Koran.

Why don't you simply admit that the text is chaotic in its structure and may actually be an insertion in the Koran that is not Allah's words?

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 5:16pm On Jun 08
AntiChristian:

Is this your proof that Matthew wrote the book of Matthew? Chai! Christianity oo religion of Church leaders!
Who were the Church leaders? And how can we trace them to Matthew as available in Islam?
All these your questions are simple. Just proof that Matthew wrote the Book of Matthew for me now.
Did you say CONTEXT?
Does the Koran have a context?
What is the exegesis of that portion?

All that you wrote there was your own making. Why do I say this?

According to Islam Allah is the one speaking in the Koran. According to the Koran it makes things clear:
Alif Lam Ra. A Book whose verses are set clear, and then distinguished, from One All-wise, All-aware: S. 11:1

A book that fully and clearly explains everything,

… Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Qur'an), explained in detail… S. 6:114 Hilali-Khan

… And We have sent down on thee the Book making clear everything, and as a guidance and a mercy, and as good tidings to those who surrender. S. 16:89 Arberry

A Book whereof the Verses are explained in detail; A Qur'an in Arabic for people who know S. 41:3 Hilali-Khan

So, tell us where or how
"Allah directed the servant to invoke Him constantly" in that portion (or even elsewhere) since the book (Koran) itself says it makes things clear.

NOTHING in that portion says anything like "Allah instructs you to invoke him like this.....". Not even the usual 'say' is here. Running to 'context' and 'exegesis' is therefore an attempt to reconcile the irreconcilable. Your comments have no support from anywhere in the Koran.

You accuse Matthew of committing grammatical blunder but here you are ignoring the glaring blunder by Allah. You're trying to make amends for him. Didn't he say he makes things clear? Why should it now take the MAGIC of Moslem REINTERPRETATION to explain what should plain?
You have just simply refused to see the obvious. You feel you must defend the indefensible.

You claim that
"Allah addresses Himself as I at times. And at times He calls His name Allah or other names of HIs. And at times He uses Us/We for His Majestic self."
Yet you question when another person does the same. If that is not hypocrisy or folly then tell us the rationale for such stand. Why should this your argument hold true for Allah and you then question it when someone else does the same?

Concerning who wrote Matthew's gospel:
Papias a 1st century writer who, according to early evidence, was acquainted with those who knew the eyewitnesses of Christ and the apostles confirmed the authorship. In the early 2nd century Papias wrote a five book work called The Sayings of the Lord Interpreted otherwise known as An Exposition of the Oracles of the Lord – sections of which were preserved in the work of the 3rd and 4th century church historian Eusebius known as Church History. 

You can see that there is are validations for him as the writer from very early in christendom. The way he wrote was usual for writings of his time.

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by mhmsadyq(m): 6:29pm On Jun 08
sagenaija:
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1. I asked a question: Are Daif Hadiths REJECTED in Islam? Instead of answering 'Yes' or 'No' you went on to write up a new question and answer that one as if you answered what I asked.
You said:

Why didn't you answer my question straightaway? Because you wanted to be disingenuous. And now here you are claiming that others are twisting your reply. Who came up with a different question to the one I asked - you or me?

Talking about memory; are the Hadiths you quote today lifted from written texts or from memory? If Islam understands and agrees that some Hadiths are false what stops Islam from CLEARLY saying so? The real reason is that Islam would want to bring them up when it would suit her cause some other time. Otherwise it is very easy to just let the world know which are true and which ones are false.


2. On al-Fatiha:
Going to the Bible wouldn't help your cause.
Let me make it simple for you:
If a man is writing, he can choose to write in the first person or the third person; that is not the contention. But if he switches from one to the other after every single sentence, to claim that it is still in order must mean that we suspend our senses.

Here you are arguing about Matthew's usage of grammar and EXCUSING the way Allah made his blunder.

The Koran says that Allah PRAYS. When we ask 'To whom?', you guys come up with REINTERPRETATION of the words used for prayer. Here again we see Allah speaking in such a way as to suggest that he is referring to a superior and you guys engage in explanations that just don't make sense.

Why would Allah be teaching his slaves how to pray and did not clearly say so? Does the hadith you claim specifically say that THE PRAYER refers to this sura?

Allah starts by:
'In the name of Allah...' and
'All praise is due to Allah alone'
Then goes on to say:
'You alone do we worship...' and then
'Guide us in the straight path'

Even if you take the first few words, as you guys argue, as being the words of Allah Allah referring to himself how do you reconcile that with what follows - 'You alone do we worship'? And 'Guide us ...'?
Who is the 'YOU' here and who is the 'WE'?
Who is saying 'Guide us...'?
Obviously the person speaking cannot mean anything different than that the 'WE' is the ones telling the 'YOU' that they worship him - ie. the 'YOU'. And the ones asking for guidance are doing so from a superior being.

BUT THEN, according to Moslems, Allah is the ONLY ONE speaking throughout the Koran. So, when the one speaking says 'You alone do we worship' how can that still be Allah? Is Allah saying that he's part of those worshipping Allah?
AGAIN, nothing in this portion says anything like 'Allah says that when you pray, pray like this ....' If there is please show us. Give us the reference from the Koran.

Why don't you simply admit that the text is chaotic in its structure and may actually be an insertion in the Koran that is not Allah's words?

The Muslims have given you their interpretation of the Qur'an, yet you wunt stop.

The Qur'an is the words of Allah to us as Muslims.

Muslims have no doubt about the contents of the Qur'an.

Whatever interpretation you make out of the Qur'an is yours to gloat on as a non Muslim.

You cannot force your interpretation on us, after all you don't believe in Allah and his Messenger.

Also, it makes no difference how you choose to interpret the words of Allah.

We know what is the meaning of the Qur'an.
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 1:03pm On Jun 09
mhmsadyq:

The Muslims have given you their interpretation of the Qur'an, yet you wunt stop.
The Qur'an is the words of Allah to us as Muslims.
Muslims have no doubt about the contents of the Qur'an.
Whatever interpretation you make out of the Qur'an is yours to gloat on as a non Muslim.
You cannot force your interpretation on us, after all you don't believe in Allah and his Messenger.
Also, it makes no difference how you choose to interpret the words of Allah.
We know what is the meaning of the Qur'an.
Over and over again you guys are unable to give clear answers to the discrepancies in your religion. Just saying that 'We know what it means' or 'We understand' doesn't cut it. Explain in clear terms what you know or what you understand. But that looks like an uphill task for you guys because, in reality, you just don't know or understand. You have simply accepted what you were fed with hook line and sinker.

Let's get it straight; you have no problem with having perpetually ERECT male organ in Paradise because that may be the only thing you'll be doing there or are you going to be going about doing other things with fully erect male member?

If Koran is the word of Allah to you, then who is Allah telling ''You alone do we worship...' and then
'Guide us in the straight path'?
After all, according to you guys, it is Allah who is speaking throughout the Koran.

So, tell us:
Who is the 'You' and who is the 'We' here?
Is that too hard to answer?
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by Rashduct4luv(m): 1:40pm On Jun 09
sagenaija:
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1. I asked a question: Are Daif Hadiths REJECTED in Islam? Instead of answering 'Yes' or 'No' you went on to write up a new question and answer that one as if you answered what I asked.
You said:

Why didn't you answer my question straightaway? Because you wanted to be disingenuous. And now here you are claiming that others are twisting your reply. Who came up with a different question to the one I asked - you or me?

Talking about memory; are the Hadiths you quote today lifted from written texts or from memory? If Islam understands and agrees that some Hadiths are false what stops Islam from CLEARLY saying so? The real reason is that Islam would want to bring them up when it would suit her cause some other time. Otherwise it is very easy to just let the world know which are true and which ones are false.

Only an ignoramus or a dunce won't get the answer from what i posted on your question. And not all answers are simply black and white. The discussion on what you ask will need one to give you pages and pages of expositions which you obviously won't read. And I've answered you that Da'eef hadith are not used for Islamic judgement as they are not reliable.

And you still ask again. You can keep asking! Cos your strength lies in weak reports!

2. On al-Fatiha:
Going to the Bible wouldn't help your cause.
Let me make it simple for you:
If a man is writing, he can choose to write in the first person or the third person; that is not the contention. But if he switches from one to the other after every single sentence, to claim that it is still in order must mean that we suspend our senses.

Here you are arguing about Matthew's usage of grammar and EXCUSING the way Allah made his blunder.

1. Get this in to your skull Allah is not man like Matthew or whoever wrote that book.

2. There's no blunder in what is written anywhere in the Qur'an. No Arabic linguist ever made this assertion. Even Arabic linguistic is derived from the Qur'an.

The Koran says that Allah PRAYS. When we ask 'To whom?', you guys come up with REINTERPRETATION of the words used for prayer. Here again we see Allah speaking in such a way as to suggest that he is referring to a superior and you guys engage in explanations that just don't make sense.

Allah prays; so explain how He prays then since He also said He is incomparable or coequal to no one.

Why would Allah be teaching his slaves how to pray and did not clearly say so? Does the hadith you claim specifically say that THE PRAYER refers to this sura?
Chai! So what does Al Salah mean in English! I just remembered i called you a dunce up there. Are you also blind? The Hadith clearly stated each verse of the Surah!

'Ubada b. as-Samit reported from the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him ): He who does not recite Fatihat al-Kitab is not credited with having observed the prayer. (Muslim Chapter 9 Book 4, Number 0771)

In Sahih Muslim Chapter 9 titled: THE RECITING OF AL-FATIHA IN EVERY RAK'AH OF PRAYER IS OBLIGATORY

Book 4, Number 0775
Abu Huraira reported : The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If anyone observes prayer in which he does not recite Umm al-Qur'an, It is deficient [he said this three times] and not complete.It was said to Abu Huraira: At times we are behind the Imam.He said: Recite it inwardly, for he had heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) declare that Allah the Exalted had said : I have divided the prayer into two halves between Me and My servant, and My servant will receive what he asks.When the servant says: Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the universe, Allah the Most High says: My servant has praised Me.And when he (the servant) says: The Most Compassionate, the Merciful, Allah the Most High says: My servant has lauded Me.And when he (the servant) says: Master of the Day of judgement, He remarks: My servant has glorified Me. and sometimes He would say: My servant entrusted (his affairs) to Me.And when he (the worshiper) says: Thee do we worship and of Thee do we ask help, He (Allah) says: This is between Me and My servant, and My servant will receive what he asks for.Then, when he (the worshiper) says: Guide us to the straight path, the path of those to whom Thou hast been Gracious not of those who have incurred Thy displeasure, nor of those who have gone astray, He (Allah) says: This is for My servant, and My servant will receive what he asks for Sufyan said: 'Ala b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. Ya'qub narrated it to me when I went to him and he was confined to his home on account of illness, and I asked him about it.

Allah starts by:
'In the name of Allah...' and
'All praise is due to Allah alone'
Then goes on to say:
'You alone do we worship...' and then
'Guide us in the straight path'

Even if you take the first few words, as you guys argue, as being the words of Allah Allah referring to himself how do you reconcile that with what follows - 'You alone do we worship'? And 'Guide us ...'?
Who is the 'YOU' here and who is the 'WE'?
Who is saying 'Guide us...'?
Obviously the person speaking cannot mean anything different than that the 'WE' is the ones telling the 'YOU' that they worship him - ie. the 'YOU'. And the ones asking for guidance are doing so from a superior being.

BUT THEN, according to Moslems, Allah is the ONLY ONE speaking throughout the Koran. So, when the one speaking says 'You alone do we worship' how can that still be Allah? Is Allah saying that he's part of those worshipping Allah?
AGAIN, nothing in this portion says anything like 'Allah says that when you pray, pray like this ....' If there is please show us. Give us the reference from the Koran.

Why don't you simply admit that the text is chaotic in its structure and may actually be an insertion in the Koran that is not Allah's words?

It is now proven that you are an ignoramus. Allah alone spoke throughout the Qur'an! No one will disagree with this except an ignoramus like you.

And i believe you'll ask soon where is it in the Qur'an to pray Salah the way we pray it today?
If you really wish to know you may check the ahadith on Fatihah, the mother of the Qur'an, the opening chapter and the seven oft-repeated! verses!

Alhamdulillah for Islam, i for be dumb, deaf and blind like this!
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by enilove(m): 2:06pm On Jun 09
Rashduct4luv:


Only an ignoramus or a dunce won't get the answer from what i posted on your question. And not all answers are simply black and white. The discussion on what you ask will need one to give you pages and pages of expositions which you obviously won't read. And I've answered you that Da'eef hadith are not used for Islamic judgement as they are not reliable.

And you still ask again. You can keep asking! Cos your strength lies in weak reports!



1. Get this in to your skull Allah is not man like Matthew or whoever wrote that book.

2. There's no blunder in what is written anywhere in the Qur'an. No Arabic linguist ever made this assertion. Even Arabic linguistic is derived from the Qur'an.



Allah prays; so explain how He prays then since He also said He is incomparable or coequal to no one.

Chai! So what does Al Salah mean in English! I just remembered i called you a dunce up there. Are you also blind? The Hadith clearly stated each verse of the Surah!

'Ubada b. as-Samit reported from the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him ): He who does not recite Fatihat al-Kitab is not credited with having observed the prayer. (Muslim Chapter 9 Book 4, Number 0771)

In Sahih Muslim Chapter 9 titled: THE RECITING OF AL-FATIHA IN EVERY RAK'AH OF PRAYER IS OBLIGATORY

Book 4, Number 0775
Abu Huraira reported : The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If anyone observes prayer in which he does not recite Umm al-Qur'an, It is deficient [he said this three times] and not complete.It was said to Abu Huraira: At times we are behind the Imam.He said: Recite it inwardly, for he had heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) declare that Allah the Exalted had said : I have divided the prayer into two halves between Me and My servant, and My servant will receive what he asks.When the servant says: Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the universe, Allah the Most High says: My servant has praised Me.And when he (the servant) says: The Most Compassionate, the Merciful, Allah the Most High says: My servant has lauded Me.And when he (the servant) says: Master of the Day of judgement, He remarks: My servant has glorified Me. and sometimes He would say: My servant entrusted (his affairs) to Me.And when he (the worshiper) says: Thee do we worship and of Thee do we ask help, He (Allah) says: This is between Me and My servant, and My servant will receive what he asks for.Then, when he (the worshiper) says: Guide us to the straight path, the path of those to whom Thou hast been Gracious not of those who have incurred Thy displeasure, nor of those who have gone astray, He (Allah) says: This is for My servant, and My servant will receive what he asks for Sufyan said: 'Ala b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. Ya'qub narrated it to me when I went to him and he was confined to his home on account of illness, and I asked him about it.



It is now proven that you are an ignoramus. Allah alone spoke throughout the Qur'an! No one will disagree with this except an ignoramus like you.

And i believe you'll ask soon where is it in the Qur'an to pray Salah the way we pray it today?
If you really wish to know you may check the ahadith on Fatihah, the mother of the Qur'an, the opening chapter and the seven oft-repeated! verses!

Alhamdulillah for Islam, i for be dumb, deaf and blind like this!

What a daif reply .

How can Allah say '' in the name of Allah '' ?

This an example of God talking through His Angel :

Genesis 22:15-16 KJV
And the angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, [16] And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son :

I am sure Gabriel and Angels of God did not reveal that blunder to Muhammad . He was talking for Allah .

Despite burning all the Qur'an to get rid of the errors there are still blunders hidden which you people have decided to close your abrains against .

I heard your Allah says your sperm is from your back bone and Muslim women don't have eggs to fertilize the sperm but fluid from the ribs .
Is that so ?

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 2:20pm On Jun 09
enilove:


What a daif reply .

How can Allah say '' in the name of Allah '' ?

This an example of God talking through His Angel :

Genesis 22:15-16 KJV
And the angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, [16] And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son :

I am sure Gabriel and Angels of God did not reveal that blunder to Muhammad . He was talking for Allah .

Despite burning all the Qur'an to get rid of the errors there are still blunders hidden which you people have decided to close your abrains against .

I heard your Allah says your sperm is from your back bone and Muslim women don't have eggs to fertilize the sperm but fluid from the ribs .
Is that so ?


Indeed, what a daif reply!!

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by mhmsadyq(m): 3:47pm On Jun 09
sagenaija:

Over and over again you guys are unable to give clear answers to the discrepancies in your religion. Just saying that 'We know what it means' or 'We understand' doesn't cut it. Explain in clear terms what you know or what you understand. But that looks like an uphill task for you guys because, in reality, you just don't know or understand. You have simply accepted what you were fed with hook line and sinker.

Let's get it straight; you have no problem with having perpetually ERECT male organ in Paradise because that may be the only thing you'll be doing there or are you going to be going about doing other things with fully erect male member?

If Koran is the word of Allah to you, then who is Allah telling ''You alone do we worship...' and then
'Guide us in the straight path'?
After all, according to you guys, it is Allah who is speaking throughout the Koran.

So, tell us:
Who is the 'You' and who is the 'We' here?
Is that too hard to answer?

So, because one @Sagenaija or @enilove on NL said he does not understands why Allah or His Prophet said or does somethings, I should start singing "alleluia Jesus is my God"?

Well, i always remind trinitarians that i don't come here to argue religion.

I think it should be more easier for you to tell Jesus, your God to stop me from being a Muslim than all these nonsense interpretations and meanings you give to the words of Allah.

I suggest you ask Jesus, your God for help.
How is that so difficult for you to do?

For now, me and my household are holding firmly to the rope of Allah.

[3:19] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"اِنَّ الدِّیۡنَ عِنۡدَ اللّٰہِ الۡاِسۡلَامُ ۟ وَ مَا اخۡتَلَفَ الَّذِیۡنَ اُوۡتُوا الۡکِتٰبَ اِلَّا مِنۡۢ بَعۡدِ مَا جَآءَہُمُ الۡعِلۡمُ بَغۡیًۢا بَیۡنَہُمۡ ؕ وَ مَنۡ یَّکۡفُرۡ بِاٰیٰتِ اللّٰہِ فَاِنَّ اللّٰہَ سَرِیۡعُ الۡحِسَابِ ﴿۱۹﴾

Truly, Islam is the only Din (Religion) in Allah’s sight. And the People of the Book disagreed, after knowledge had come to them, only on account of their mutual jealousy and contention. And he who denies Allah’s revelations, then surely Allah hastens in calling to account.
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 7:21pm On Jun 09
mhmsadyq:


So, because one @Sagenaija or @enilove on NL said he does not understands why Allah or His Prophet said or does somethings, I should start singing "alleluia Jesus is my God"?

Well, i always remind trinitarians that i don't come here to argue religion.

I think it should be more easier for you to tell Jesus, your God to stop me from being a Muslim than all these nonsense interpretations and meanings you give to the words of Allah.

I suggest you ask Jesus, your God for help.
How is that so difficult for you to do?

For now, me and my household are holding firmly to the rope of Allah.

[3:19] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"اِنَّ الدِّیۡنَ عِنۡدَ اللّٰہِ الۡاِسۡلَامُ ۟ وَ مَا اخۡتَلَفَ الَّذِیۡنَ اُوۡتُوا الۡکِتٰبَ اِلَّا مِنۡۢ بَعۡدِ مَا جَآءَہُمُ الۡعِلۡمُ بَغۡیًۢا بَیۡنَہُمۡ ؕ وَ مَنۡ یَّکۡفُرۡ بِاٰیٰتِ اللّٰہِ فَاِنَّ اللّٰہَ سَرِیۡعُ الۡحِسَابِ ﴿۱۹﴾

Truly, Islam is the only Din (Religion) in Allah’s sight. And the People of the Book disagreed, after knowledge had come to them, only on account of their mutual jealousy and contention. And he who denies Allah’s revelations, then surely Allah hastens in calling to account.

You know that it's not about anything you've written up there.
It is simply about DEFENDING your 'Din'. And you have done a very poor job at doing so.

What does it take to simply say 'Hey guys, you are right' or 'I don't know the answer to question'?
Why is so difficult for you guys to admit to being wrong when you are?
Is this how Islam is? No INTEGRITY?
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 7:44pm On Jun 09
Rashduct4luv:


Only an ignoramus or a dunce won't get the answer from what i posted on your question. And not all answers are simply black and white. The discussion on what you ask will need one to give you pages and pages of expositions which you obviously won't read. And I've answered you that Da'eef hadith are not used for Islamic judgement as they are not reliable.

And you still ask again. You can keep asking! Cos your strength lies in weak reports!

1. Get this in to your skull Allah is not man like Matthew or whoever wrote that book.

2. There's no blunder in what is written anywhere in the Qur'an. No Arabic linguist ever made this assertion. Even Arabic linguistic is derived from the Qur'an.



Allah prays; so explain how He prays then since He also said He is incomparable or coequal to no one.

Chai! So what does Al Salah mean in English! I just remembered i called you a dunce up there. Are you also blind? The Hadith clearly stated each verse of the Surah!

'Ubada b. as-Samit reported from the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him ): He who does not recite Fatihat al-Kitab is not credited with having observed the prayer. (Muslim Chapter 9 Book 4, Number 0771)

In Sahih Muslim Chapter 9 titled: THE RECITING OF AL-FATIHA IN EVERY RAK'AH OF PRAYER IS OBLIGATORY

Book 4, Number 0775
Abu Huraira reported : The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If anyone observes prayer in which he does not recite Umm al-Qur'an, It is deficient [he said this three times] and not complete.It was said to Abu Huraira: At times we are behind the Imam.He said: Recite it inwardly, for he had heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) declare that Allah the Exalted had said : I have divided the prayer into two halves between Me and My servant, and My servant will receive what he asks.When the servant says: Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the universe, Allah the Most High says: My servant has praised Me.And when he (the servant) says: The Most Compassionate, the Merciful, Allah the Most High says: My servant has lauded Me.And when he (the servant) says: Master of the Day of judgement, He remarks: My servant has glorified Me. and sometimes He would say: My servant entrusted (his affairs) to Me.And when he (the worshiper) says: Thee do we worship and of Thee do we ask help, He (Allah) says: This is between Me and My servant, and My servant will receive what he asks for.Then, when he (the worshiper) says: Guide us to the straight path, the path of those to whom Thou hast been Gracious not of those who have incurred Thy displeasure, nor of those who have gone astray, He (Allah) says: This is for My servant, and My servant will receive what he asks for Sufyan said: 'Ala b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. Ya'qub narrated it to me when I went to him and he was confined to his home on account of illness, and I asked him about it.

It is now proven that you are an ignoramus. Allah alone spoke throughout the Qur'an! No one will disagree with this except an ignoramus like you.

And i believe you'll ask soon where is it in the Qur'an to pray Salah the way we pray it today?
If you really wish to know you may check the ahadith on Fatihah, the mother of the Qur'an, the opening chapter and the seven oft-repeated! verses!

Alhamdulillah for Islam, i for be dumb, deaf and blind like this!

When you want to run away from facing the issues concerning the discrepancies in your books we know how you guys do it.
You can use several paragraphs to talk about how the other person doesn't understand Islam, how he may be a dunce, blind, etc. You will even claim that you have answered every objection but the other person failed to see them.

You're right (at the first highlighted), nothing is STRAIGHTFORWARD in Islam, NOTHING!
That is why you would need pages upon pages. That is what Islam actually manufactured with the Hadiths and other Islamic literatures. Even then, nothing is still straightforward in Islam.

Soon, you'll be telling us that before the Koran there was no Arabic: That the Koran created the Arabic language.

Meanwhile all those long paragraphs could have simply been used to restate the fact, if indeed there was any.

That tactic is well known to some of us.

I was not asking if Moslems pray that prayer. That is what you ended up putting up there. But what I am pointing out is that it doesn't make sense for Allah to speak those words without mentioning that his slaves are to pray like that. And NOWHERE in that portion does it state that it is perhaps a model prayer or the sort. You have not been able to point out from the Koran that Allah intends it to be a prayer by his slaves.

When you now run to the Hadiths to support your position it means that the Koran is not as clear as it claims to be. Other sources have to explain it. To that extent it has failed in its own claim of being a clear book.

Now, again as to whether it is only Allah speaking in the Koran:
These are other examples

1. (Koran 6:104)
Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs (To open your eyes): If any will see, it will be for (the good of) his own soul; If any will be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not (here) To watch over your doings.

2. (Koran 27:91)
For me, I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it and to whom (Belong) all things; and I am
commanded to be of those who bow in Islam to Allah's Will

3. (Koran 84:16-19)
I swear by the afterglow of sunset, and by the night, and by the moon when she is at the full.

Who is (or who are those) speaking in the above verses? Please take them one by one so that any dummy can understand.
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by AeroplaneApple: 7:51pm On Jun 09
I don't know why I laughed reading this
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by mhmsadyq(m): 8:04pm On Jun 09
sagenaija:
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You know that it's not about anything you've written up there.
It is simply about DEFENDING your 'Din'. And you have done a very poor job at doing so.

What does it take to simply say 'Hey guys, you are right' or 'I don't know the answer to question'?
Why is so difficult for you guys to admit to being wrong when you are?
Is this how Islam is? No INTEGRITY?

Oga, those questions have been answered severally on this forum.
Those are questions you and others have been asking for ages and you've been getting answers, which you kept dismissing. Nothing new.

Our answers shouldn't satisfy you for it to be reasonable or true.
You aren't our standard for what is reasonable or true.

Why not just accept whatever the believers in Allah say it means, instead of arguing on what you have no knowledge and you don't believe in, especially.

Anyways, since your arguments, wrong and false interpretations and meanings of the Qur'an and Sunnah isn't yielding your desired results, while not command your God, Jesus to do it for you. Stop me from Worshipping Allah make I see.
That's the easiest way.
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 10:26pm On Jun 09
mhmsadyq:


Oga, those questions have been answered severally on this forum.
Those are questions you and others have been asking for ages and you've been getting answers, which you kept dismissing. Nothing new.

Our answers shouldn't satisfy you for it to be reasonable or true.
You aren't our standard for what is reasonable or true.

Why not just accept whatever the believers in Allah say it means, instead of arguing on what you have no knowledge and you don't believe in, especially.

Anyways, since your arguments, wrong and false interpretations and meanings of the Qur'an and Sunnah isn't yielding your desired results, while not command your God, Jesus to do it for you. Stop me from Worshipping Allah make I see.
That's the easiest way.

You're engaging in you guys major TACTIC - go round in a circle and then claim 'You have been answered' or in some cases 'You have been refuted!'

Hope you know that it is not only the two of us who are reading these posts. Sometimes a new person may just come in at some point in the conversation.

So, if the questions have been answered severally why not simply COPY AND PASTE it here for all to see. Copy and paste wouldn't take much time; would it?

Who is Allah telling ''You alone do we worship...' and then
'Guide us in the straight path'?
After all, according to you guys, it is Allah who is speaking throughout the Koran.

So, tell us:
Who is the 'You' and who is the 'We' here?
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by mhmsadyq(m): 11:48pm On Jun 09
sagenaija:
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You're engaging in you guys major TACTIC - go round in a circle and then claim 'You have been answered' or in some cases 'You have been refuted!'

Hope you know that it is not only the two of us who are reading these posts. Sometimes a new person may just come in at some point in the conversation.

So, if the questions have been answered severally why not simply COPY AND PASTE it here for all to see. Copy and paste wouldn't take much time; would it?

Who is Allah telling ''You alone do we worship...' and then
'Guide us in the straight path'?
After all, according to you guys, it is Allah who is speaking throughout the Koran.

So, tell us:
Who is the 'You' and who is the 'We' here?

You are right. Someone new may be following this conversation.

The "you" is sagenaija and the[b]"We"[/b] is sagenaija and enilove.

Are you happy now?
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by Rashduct4luv(m): 8:44am On Jun 10
sagenaija:
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When you want to run away from facing the issues concerning the discrepancies in your books we know how you guys do it.
You can use several paragraphs to talk about how the other person doesn't understand Islam, how he may be a dunce, blind, etc. You will even claim that you have answered every objection but the other person failed to see them.

You're right (at the first highlighted), nothing is STRAIGHTFORWARD in Islam, NOTHING!
That is why you would need pages upon pages. That is what Islam actually manufactured with the Hadiths and other Islamic literatures. Even then, nothing is still straightforward in Islam.

Soon, you'll be telling us that before the Koran there was no Arabic: That the Koran created the Arabic language.

Meanwhile all those long paragraphs could have simply been used to restate the fact, if indeed there was any.

That tactic is well known to some of us.

I was not asking if Moslems pray that prayer. That is what you ended up putting up there. But what I am pointing out is that it doesn't make sense for Allah to speak those words without mentioning that his slaves are to pray like that. And NOWHERE in that portion does it state that it is perhaps a model prayer or the sort. You have not been able to point out from the Koran that Allah intends it to be a prayer by his slaves.

When you now run to the Hadiths to support your position it means that the Koran is not as clear as it claims to be. Other sources have to explain it. To that extent it has failed in its own claim of being a clear book.

Now, again as to whether it is only Allah speaking in the Koran:
These are other examples

1. (Koran 6:104)
Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs (To open your eyes): If any will see, it will be for (the good of) his own soul; If any will be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not (here) To watch over your doings.

2. (Koran 27:91)
For me, I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it and to whom (Belong) all things; and I am
commanded to be of those who bow in Islam to Allah's Will

3. (Koran 84:16-19)
I swear by the afterglow of sunset, and by the night, and by the moon when she is at the full.

Who is (or who are those) speaking in the above verses? Please take them one by one so that any dummy can understand.

I think i will give you my final submission on all these your rantings. The Qur'an takes cognizance of the tradition of the Prophet and that's why Allah says in so many verses " Obey Allah and Obey the Messenger". We obey the messenger by following his traditions.

What are the context of the verses you quoted up there?

Do you think it's just like John 3:16 you guys quote without wanting to know the context, who was talking, who was being spoken to, who witnessed the speech, who wrote it, how reliable are they all, etc?
And Allah swear by any of His creation He wishes to but we swear by Him only.

Good bye!

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