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The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 11:08am On May 31
The Women of Allah's Paradise
Much has been written about the women of Allah's Paradise. The Koran speaks of maidens confined in tents that no man or jinn has had sex with. They are said to have large breasts. They are virgins.

The encyclopedia of Islam list more features - they have 4 colours, are transparent, and "on the breast of each are inscribed two names: one being a name of Allah and one that of her husband".

Why is it that a book supposedly from God describes an afterlife that appears CUSTOMIZED for sexual satisfaction of men?
Why did the prophet of Islam further describe these women, and the pleasures of Paradise so obscenely?
Why did he use the virgins of paradise (along with the angels) to THREATEN women in this life?
Why does Paradise sound like it's full of beings who bully and harass women?
How is it that Moslem women aren't supposed to feel eternally inferior in comparison to Allah's SPECIALLY CREATED women?
Why would the god of the universe be interested in miraculously BOOSTING the sexual power of men in the afterlife?
And why is it that Moslems tolerate this nonsense in their scriptures and traditions, when if it existed somewhere else, it would be their number one point of attack?

Empiree, Lukgaf, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, motayoayinde, mhmsadyq, haekymbahd or Realismailakabir

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by motayoayinde: 1:03pm On May 31
sagenaija:
The Women of Allah's Paradise
Much has been written about the women of Allah's Paradise. The Koran speaks of maidens confined in tents that no man or jinn has had sex with. They are said to have large breasts. They are virgins.

The encyclopedia of Islam list more features - they have 4 colours, are transparent, and "on the breast of each are inscribed two names: one being a name of Allah and one that of her husband".

Why is it that a book supposedly from God describes an afterlife that appears CUSTOMIZED for sexual satisfaction of men?
Why did the prophet of Islam further describe these women, and the pleasures of Paradise so obscenely?
Why did he use the virgins of paradise (along with the angels) to THREATEN women in this life?
Why does Paradise sound like it's full of beings who bully and harass women?
How is it that Moslem women aren't supposed to feel eternally inferior in comparison to Allah's SPECIALLY CREATED women?
Why would the god of the universe be interested in miraculously BOOSTING the sexual power of men in the afterlife?
And why is it that Moslems tolerate this nonsense in their scriptures and traditions, when if it existed somewhere else, it would be their number one point of attack?

Empiree, Lukgaf, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, motayoayinde, mhmsadyq, haekymbahd or Realismailakabir

I THINK PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE ACTUALLY MORE OBSSESSED WITH SEX THAN YOU'D LIKE THE WORLD TO BELIEVE MUSLIMS ARE.

YOU'RE ALL ALWAYS EITHER LOOKING FOR SEXUAL INNUENDOS IN EVERY PAGE, PARAGRAPH AND LINE OF EVERY ISLAMIC TEXT OR FORGING SOME STRANGE THINGS ACCORDING TO YOUR WARPED SEXUAL FANTASIES.

WHERE DID YOU FIND "WOMEN WITH BREASTS HAVING THE NAMES OF ALLAH WRITTEN ON THEM"?

I'LL REFRAME YOUR LAST QUESTION THIS WAY: WHY DOES NAIRALAND CONTINUE TO HARBOUR AND TOLERATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU?

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 9:17pm On May 31
motayoayinde:


I THINK PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE ACTUALLY MORE OBSSESSED WITH SEX THAN YOU'D LIKE THE WORLD TO BELIEVE MUSLIMS ARE.

YOU'RE ALL ALWAYS EITHER LOOKING FOR SEXUAL INNUENDOS IN EVERY PAGE, PARAGRAPH AND LINE OF EVERY ISLAMIC TEXT OR FORGING SOME STRANGE THINGS ACCORDING TO YOUR WARPED SEXUAL FANTASIES.

WHERE DID YOU FIND "WOMEN WITH BREASTS HAVING THE NAMES OF ALLAH WRITTEN ON THEM"?

I'LL REFRAME YOUR LAST QUESTION THIS WAY: WHY DOES NAIRALAND CONTINUE TO HARBOUR AND TOLERATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU?

Why do you guys behave like this?

A little check in your books will confirm the facts stated.

Why act as if you are ashamed of your own books? Why deny the obvious?

Not to worry, I'll give more info from your books.

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by mhmsadyq(m): 10:07pm On May 31
What is wrong with sex?

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by haekymbahd(m): 4:59am On Jun 01
sagenaija:
The Women of Allah's Paradise
Much has been written about the women of Allah's Paradise. The Koran speaks of maidens confined in tents that no man or jinn has had sex with. They are said to have large breasts. They are virgins.

The encyclopedia of Islam list more features - they have 4 colours, are transparent, and "on the breast of each are inscribed two names: one being a name of Allah and one that of her husband".

Why is it that a book supposedly from God describes an afterlife that appears CUSTOMIZED for sexual satisfaction of men?
Why did the prophet of Islam further describe these women, and the pleasures of Paradise so obscenely?
Why did he use the virgins of paradise (along with the angels) to THREATEN women in this life?
Why does Paradise sound like it's full of beings who bully and harass women?
How is it that Moslem women aren't supposed to feel eternally inferior in comparison to Allah's SPECIALLY CREATED women?
Why would the god of the universe be interested in miraculously BOOSTING the sexual power of men in the afterlife?
And why is it that Moslems tolerate this nonsense in their scriptures and traditions, when if it existed somewhere else, it would be their number one point of attack?

Empiree, Lukgaf, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, motayoayinde, mhmsadyq, haekymbahd or Realismailakabir
First of all I am grateful to God for making me a Muslim..

Do you think at all, have you ever for once in your life criticize your God for creating humans with sexual pleasure.

Genesis 6
1 WHEN MEN began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them,

2 The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair, and they took wives of all they desired and chose.

3 Theln the Lord said, My Spirit shall not forever dwell and strive with man, for he also is flesh; but his days shall yet be 120 years.

4 There were giants on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God lived with the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

What is wrong with sex, what is wrong with the angels (sons of your God) having sex with daughters of men because they saw them beautiful?

Did your God not create wife for his angels since he gave them sexual desire or have they been castrated?

Why is sexual pleasure in heaven evil and good on earth?

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by HedwigesMaduro(m): 6:22am On Jun 01
sagenaija:
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Why do you guys behave like this?

A little check in your books will confirm the facts stated.

Why act as if you are ashamed of your own books? Why deny the obvious?

Not to worry, I'll give more info from your books.

News flash! They don't read their book. They only go by what their long bearded, boneheaded mallams tell them.

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 10:28am On Jun 01
Sahih Bukhari 3254 gives us the following:
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said "The first batch (of people) who will enter Paradise will be (glittering) like the full moon, and the batch next to them will be (glittering) like the most brilliant star in the sky. Their hearts will be as if the heart of a single man, for they will have neither enmity nor jealousy amongst themselves; everyone will have two wives from the houris (who will be so beautiful, pure and transparent that) the marrow of the bones of their legs will be seen through the bones and the flesh"
- Here we see 'see-through' women.

Also:
It was narrated from Abu Umamah that the messenger of Allah said: "There is none whom Allah will admit to Paradise but Allah will marry him to seventy-two wives, two from houris and seventy from his inheritance from the people of Hell, all of whom will have DESIRABLE FRONT PASSAGES and he will have a MALE MEMBER THAT NEVER BECOMES FLACCID"
- Sunnan Ibn Majar 4337
- Male member that is perpetually ERECT?

Elaborating more on this Mohamed said:
Anas narrated that the Prophet said: "The believer shall be given in Paradise such and such strength in intercourse" It was said: "O messenger of Allah! And will he be able to do that?" He said: " He will be given the strength of a hundred "
- Jami at-Tirmidhi vol. 4, Book 12, Hadith 2536
- Here we see the sexual strength of 100 men.

Mohamed had 30x the strength of men while on earth. Will his now be 30 x 100 i.e. 3000 the sexual strength of earth men? And for what?

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 10:32am On Jun 01
motayoayinde

mhmsadyq

haekymbahd

Let's look at it this way; eating food is good but if a man eats all day long, even if it's a bit of something every 30 minutes or hour, would you consider that normal and clap for him? So, while eating is not evil in itself, a glutton will not be considered a normal thing. A husband and wife have the right to enjoy sexual intimacy but if they come to the marketplace to start doing openly in the full view of all, no normal person will applaud them. There is therefore a sense in which a legitimate thing done in a wrong way would not be considered acceptable.

Will having an erection of the male organ perpetually be considered normal or abnormal? Are there no other things to do than fulfilling sexual pleasures? Infinite sex?

Why does the sexual pleasures appear to be only for men; what about the women?

It is your books which deal with the sexual fantasies of Islam as you can see above. So, deal with your books not me.

Mohamed needed to get a strong MOTIVATION for his followers to continue to be loyal and he found one. Unfortunately you guys are still buying the same dummy today.

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 1:27pm On Jun 02
Additionally, as we know from Mohamed, women are the majority in hell.

Narrated 'Imran: The prophet said, "I looked at Paradise and I saw that the majority of its inhabitants were the poor; and I looked at the (Hell) fire and saw that the majority of its residents were women"
- Sahih Bukhari 5198
- women appear to also be the majority in Islamic heaven since each man has from two to perhaps tens more to himself.

Allah's virgins taunt early women as a hadith says. They tell the earthly women "May Allah destroy you"

Another hadith said:
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said: "If a woman spends the night deserting her husband's bed (does not sleep with him) then the angels send their curses on her till she comes back (to her husband)"
- Sahih Bukhari 5194
- Here we see that earthly women are temporary fixtures. All these are to keep earthly women in line lest curses be hurled at them, and also keeps the men lusting after Allah's Paradise.
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by Rashduct4luv(m): 5:22pm On Jun 02
sagenaija:
The Women of Allah's Paradise
Much has been written about the women of Allah's Paradise. The Koran speaks of maidens confined in tents that no man or jinn has had sex with. They are said to have large breasts. They are virgins.

The encyclopedia of Islam list more features - they have 4 colours, are transparent, and "on the breast of each are inscribed two names: one being a name of Allah and one that of her husband".

Why is it that a book supposedly from God describes an afterlife that appears CUSTOMIZED for sexual satisfaction of men?
Why did the prophet of Islam further describe these women, and the pleasures of Paradise so obscenely?
Why did he use the virgins of paradise (along with the angels) to THREATEN women in this life?
Why does Paradise sound like it's full of beings who bully and harass women?
How is it that Moslem women aren't supposed to feel eternally inferior in comparison to Allah's SPECIALLY CREATED women?
Why would the god of the universe be interested in miraculously BOOSTING the sexual power of men in the afterlife?
And why is it that Moslems tolerate this nonsense in their scriptures and traditions, when if it existed somewhere else, it would be their number one point of attack?

Empiree, Lukgaf, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, motayoayinde, mhmsadyq, haekymbahd or Realismailakabir

This guy na confirm hypocrite. Keep looking for flaws. You'll soon convert to Islam.
You should have argued why Allah creates man first and not females first or both at the same time.
Fornication is forbidden on earth and copulation with one's wife is permitted on earth.
Why should sex be forbidden in heaven?
And is sex not an adult enjoyment?

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by mhmsadyq(m): 8:22pm On Jun 02
sagenaija:




Let's look at it this way; eating food is good but if a man eats all day long, even if it's a bit of something every 30 minutes or hour, would you consider that normal and clap for him? So, while eating is not evil in itself, a glutton will not be considered a normal thing. A husband and wife have the right to enjoy sexual intimacy but if they come to the marketplace to start doing openly in the full view of all, no normal person will applaud them. There is therefore a sense in which a legitimate thing done in a wrong way would not be considered acceptable.

Will having an erection of the male organ perpetually be considered normal or abnormal? Are there no other things to do than fulfilling sexual pleasures? Infinite sex?

Why does the sexual pleasures appear to be only for men; what about the women?

It is your books which deal with the sexual fantasies of Islam as you can see above. So, deal with your books not me.

Mohamed needed to get a strong MOTIVATION for his followers to continue to be loyal and he found one. Unfortunately you guys are still buying the same dummy today.

You are the one who seems to have a problem with sex. Muslims are comfortable with the hadith. So, you are the one that should deal with your obsession.

If you understand what paradise is, you won't ask these nonsense questions.

Paradise is a place of bliss for the believers.

Everything you want, you get and in abundance too.

Allah rewards every believer, whether man or woman.

[33:35] Al-Aḥzāb-الْأَحْزَاب
"اِنَّ الۡمُسۡلِمِیۡنَ وَ الۡمُسۡلِمٰتِ وَ الۡمُؤۡمِنِیۡنَ وَ الۡمُؤۡمِنٰتِ وَ الۡقٰنِتِیۡنَ وَ الۡقٰنِتٰتِ وَ الصّٰدِقِیۡنَ وَ الصّٰدِقٰتِ وَ الصّٰبِرِیۡنَ وَ الصّٰبِرٰتِ وَ الۡخٰشِعِیۡنَ وَ الۡخٰشِعٰتِ وَ الۡمُتَصَدِّقِیۡنَ وَ الۡمُتَصَدِّقٰتِ وَ الصَّآئِمِیۡنَ وَ الصّٰٓئِمٰتِ وَ الۡحٰفِظِیۡنَ فُرُوۡجَہُمۡ وَ الۡحٰفِظٰتِ وَ الذّٰکِرِیۡنَ اللّٰہَ کَثِیۡرًا وَّ الذّٰکِرٰتِ ۙ اَعَدَّ اللّٰہُ لَہُمۡ مَّغۡفِرَۃً وَّ اَجۡرًا عَظِیۡمًا ﴿۳۵﴾

Surely, the submissive men and the submissive women, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obedient men and the obedient women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the steadfast men and the steadfast women, and the humble men and the humble women, and the men who give alms and the women who give alms, and the men who fast and the women who fast, and the men who guard their chastity and the women who guard their chastity, and the men who remember Allah abundantly and the women who remember Allah very much—Allah has prepared for all of them forgiveness and a mighty reward.

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 11:48am On Jun 03
Rashduct4luv
mhmsadyq
So, you are comfortable with Male member that is perpetually ERECT?
And all that you'll be doing in Paradise is sex? With Male member that is perpetually ERECT? And you consider that normal because it is Paradise? Think Abdul, think!

Part of the rewards even includes 'inheritance from the people of hell' according to Sunnan Ibn Majar 4337 . From hell? Are they then relieved of their punishment in hell? Is it temporary reprieve or permanent removal from hell?

What is the 'mighty reward' for women? Men's reward is very explicit. What is that of the women?

I gave motayoayinde the reference he asked for and he has run for cover. I guess he didn't know his Islamic books have the things we state.

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by compton11: 11:56am On Jun 03
Segenaija

U dumb ass nigga,the different version of Bible I showed u around 2 months ago and told u to explain to me ,u ain't explaining it,why(
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by Rashduct4luv(m): 12:35pm On Jun 03
sagenaija:


So, you are comfortable with Male member that is perpetually ERECT?
The hadith of Sunnan Ibn Majar 4337 is Da’if. And is not usable at all. It is weak!

And all that you'll be doing in Paradise is sex? With Male member that is perpetually ERECT? And you consider that normal because it is Paradise? Think Abdul, think!
Your premise is weak and so is your conclusion!

Part of the rewards even includes 'inheritance from the people of hell' according to Sunnan Ibn Majar 4337 . From hell? Are they then relieved of their punishment in hell? Is it temporary reprieve or permanent removal from hell?
Sunnan Ibn Majar 4337 again?

What is the 'mighty reward' for women? Men's reward is very explicit. What is that of the women?

Um Umarah al-Ansariyyah said that she went to the Prophet (May peace and blessings be upon him) and said to Him: "I feel that everything is for men. Women are not mentioned as having anything. Then was revealed the Verse: (For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women etc), Verse 35, Surat al-Ahzab, or the Confederates. The Hadith is narrated by at-Tirmizi under No. 3211, and is in Sahih at-Tirmizi under No. 2565.

In the collection of Hadiths of Imam Ahmad was narrated the Hadith that Um Salama (May Allah be pleased with her) said: "I said "O Messenger (May peace and blessings be upon him) of Allah. Why arent we mentioned in the Quran in an equal footing with men?" Then; I was surprised to hear Him call one day from the pulpit: "O people." As I was combing my hair at the moment, I wrapped it up and came close to the door and stood there listening to Him say: "Allah, Mighty and Sublime be He, revealed that (For Muslim men and women; for believing men and women; for devout men and women, for true men and women; for men and women who are patient and constant; for men and women who humble themselves; for men and women who give in charity; for men and women who fast; for men and women who guard their chastity; and for men and women who engage much in Allahs remembrance for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward.) Verse 35, Surat al-Ahzab, or the Confederates.

I gave motayoayinde the reference he asked for and he has run for cover. I guess he didn't know his Islamic books have the things we state.

This is foolishness bro. I think i once told you not to mention me in your senseless posts again. You are largely ignorant of Islam and moreso the Bible as it relates to your topic of discussion.

If sex is forbidden in heaven so why did Yahweh grant his sons penile erectile function and did not provide ladies for them to satisfy their urges?
Why did Yahweh permit them to start fornicating among beautiful women on earth till they start giving birth to giants?

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by AntiChristian: 12:50pm On Jun 03
compton11:
Segenaija

U dumb ass nigga,the different version of Bible I showed u around 2 months ago and told u to explain to me ,u ain't explaining it,why(

Sagenaija can't comment on that. The Bible is a book of faith just accept it like that.

Even if you tell them that the Hausa Bible uses "grape juice" in place of "wine" which is a terrible lie, they still would find excuses!
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by motayoayinde: 12:58pm On Jun 03
sagenaija:


So, you are comfortable with Male member that is perpetually ERECT?
And all that you'll be doing in Paradise is sex? With Male member that is perpetually ERECT? And you consider that normal because it is Paradise? Think Abdul, think!

Part of the rewards even includes 'inheritance from the people of hell' according to Sunnan Ibn Majar 4337 . From hell? Are they then relieved of their punishment in hell? Is it temporary reprieve or permanent removal from hell?

What is the 'mighty reward' for women? Men's reward is very explicit. What is that of the women?

I gave motayoayinde the reference he asked for and he has run for cover. I guess he didn't know his Islamic books have the things we state.

YOU GAVE NOTHING.

I ASKED ABOUT THE SOURCE OF YOUR OBSCENE TALE OF "BIG-BREASTED WOMEN HAVING THE NAME OF ALLAH WRITTEN ON THEM"

I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE IT.

I KNOW YOU LIED (as usual).

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by ANTIlSLAM(m): 4:11pm On Jun 03
Aljannah of xxxx
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by budaatum: 4:30pm On Jun 03
motayoayinde:


I THINK PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE ACTUALLY MORE OBSSESSED WITH SEX THAN YOU'D LIKE THE WORLD TO BELIEVE MUSLIMS ARE.

YOU'RE ALL ALWAYS EITHER LOOKING FOR SEXUAL INNUENDOS IN EVERY PAGE, PARAGRAPH AND LINE OF EVERY ISLAMIC TEXT OR FORGING SOME STRANGE THINGS ACCORDING TO YOUR WARPED SEXUAL FANTASIES.

WHERE DID YOU FIND "WOMEN WITH BREASTS HAVING THE NAMES OF ALLAH WRITTEN ON THEM"?

I'LL REFRAME YOUR LAST QUESTION THIS WAY: WHY DOES NAIRALAND CONTINUE TO HARBOUR AND TOLERATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU?

He is simply bringing forth with hs mouth that which is abundant in his heart as Jesus Christ warned that said some would.

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by Amuochicha(f): 5:28pm On Jun 03
I hate men
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 10:54pm On Jun 03
motayoayinde:

YOU GAVE NOTHING.
I ASKED ABOUT THE SOURCE OF YOUR OBSCENE TALE OF "BIG-BREASTED WOMEN HAVING THE NAME OF ALLAH WRITTEN ON THEM"
I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE IT.
I KNOW YOU LIED (as usual).

I gave the source. If you needed to confirm it, all you have to do is to go to Prophet GOOGLE (Peace Be Upon Him) to do so.
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 10:58pm On Jun 03
Rashduct4luv:
The hadith of Sunnan Ibn Majar 4337 is Da’if. And is not usable at all. It is weak!
A simple question: Are Daif Daif Hadiths REJECTED in Islam?
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 10:59pm On Jun 03
compton11:
Segenaija

U dumb ass nigga,the different version of Bible I showed u around 2 months ago and told u to explain to me ,u ain't explaining it,why(
Remind me.
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by mhmsadyq(m): 5:55am On Jun 04
sagenaija:


So, you are comfortable with Male member that is perpetually ERECT?
And all that you'll be doing in Paradise is sex? With Male member that is perpetually ERECT? And you consider that normal because it is Paradise? Think Abdul, think!

Part of the rewards even includes 'inheritance from the people of hell' according to Sunnan Ibn Majar 4337 . From hell? Are they then relieved of their punishment in hell? Is it temporary reprieve or permanent removal from hell?

What is the 'mighty reward' for women? Men's reward is very explicit. What is that of the women?

I gave motayoayinde the reference he asked for and he has run for cover. I guess he didn't know his Islamic books have the things we state.

When you believe in a god that was born and died, it would definitely be impossible for you to understand Allah and paradise.

Allah promises a mighty reward for the believing men and women.

A mighty reward before Allah is anything you can thing of and those beyond you imagination.

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:15am On Jun 04
sagenaija:

A simple question: Are Daif Daif Hadiths REJECTED in Islam?

I would rather answer the question "What are the ahadith that can be used for Islamic ruling?"

1. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
It is not permissible to rely in matters of sharee’ah on da’eef ahaadeeth which are not saheeh or hasan. End quote.
Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (1/250).

2. Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
The scholars said: Ahaadeeth are of three types: saheeh (sound), hasan (good) and da’eef (weak). They said: It is only permissible to quote as evidence concerning rulings those ahaadeeth which are saheeh or hasan. As for those which are da’eef, it is not permissible to quote them as evidence with regard to rulings or beliefs, but it is permissible to narrate them and act upon them with regard to matters other than rulings, such as stories, virtuous deeds, and offering encouragements and warnings. End quote.
Al-Majmoo’ (1/98).

So we Muslims don't derive rulings from Da'eef hadith as they can be falsehood or contain errors, etc.

And i think the classification and authentication of the ahadith makes it overtly authentic than your Bible.

No one classifies/authenticates the Bible. You just accept it by faith.

For example: In Matthew narrates in Matthew 9:9-10

9 As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.

10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

If truly Matthew narrated the above about Jesus, then Matthew won't have repeated his name several times as captured in bold.
How do we classify this Bible verse now?
But who cares in Christianity! Holy Spirit will cover up for the mistakes!
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:16am On Jun 04
Amuochicha:
I hate men

Your DAD, brothers and Uncles too!
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by enilove(m): 5:59pm On Jun 04
Rashduct4luv:


I would rather answer the question "What are the ahadith that can be used for Islamic ruling?"

1. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
It is not permissible to rely in matters of sharee’ah on da’eef ahaadeeth which are not saheeh or hasan. End quote.
Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (1/250).

2. Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
The scholars said: Ahaadeeth are of three types: saheeh (sound), hasan (good) and da’eef (weak). They said: It is only permissible to quote as evidence concerning rulings those ahaadeeth which are saheeh or hasan. As for those which are da’eef, it is not permissible to quote them as evidence with regard to rulings or beliefs, but it is permissible to narrate them and act upon them with regard to matters other than rulings, such as stories, virtuous deeds, and offering encouragements and warnings. End quote.
Al-Majmoo’ (1/98).

So we Muslims don't derive rulings from Da'eef hadith as they can be falsehood or contain errors, etc.

And i think the classification and authentication of the ahadith makes it overtly authentic than your Bible.

No one classifies/authenticates the Bible. You just accept it by faith.

For example: In Matthew narrates in Matthew 9:9-10

9 As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.

10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

If truly Matthew narrated the above about Jesus, then Matthew won't have repeated his name several times as captured in bold.
How do we classify this Bible verse now?
But who cares in Christianity! Holy Spirit will cover up for the mistakes!

You have just quoted a daif Bible written by the daif Muslim.
The true Bible did not mention Matthew's name severally as you claimed above :

Matthew 9:9-10 KJV
And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him. [10] And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

Why should there be weak or strong book of Allah since a copy is in heaven with Allah ?

Now let's take a look at your Qur'an :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?"
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 30)

Just like your question above about whether it was Matthew who wrote the book of Matthew .
Who wrote the above Qur'an ? Who was the speaker ?

How can Allah say '' may Allah destroy them''?

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 8:38pm On Jun 04
enilove:


You have just quoted a daif Bible written by the daif Muslim.
The true Bible did not mention Matthew's name severally as you claimed above :

Matthew 9:9-10 KJV
And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him. [10] And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

Why should there be weak or strong book of Allah since a copy is in heaven with Allah ?

Now let's take a look at your Qur'an :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?"
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 30)

Just like your question above about whether it was Matthew who wrote the book of Matthew .
Who wrote the above Qur'an ? Who was the speaker ?

How can Allah say '' may Allah destroy them'

Thanks for showing him that his argument actually exposes his own book.

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 8:43pm On Jun 04
Rashduct4luv:


I would rather answer the question "What are the ahadith that can be used for Islamic ruling?"

1. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
It is not permissible to rely in matters of sharee’ah on da’eef ahaadeeth which are not saheeh or hasan. End quote.
Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (1/250).

2. Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
The scholars said: Ahaadeeth are of three types: saheeh (sound), hasan (good) and da’eef (weak). They said: It is only permissible to quote as evidence concerning rulings those ahaadeeth which are saheeh or hasan. As for those which are da’eef, it is not permissible to quote them as evidence with regard to rulings or beliefs, but it is permissible to narrate them and act upon them with regard to matters other than rulings, such as stories, virtuous deeds, and offering encouragements and warnings. End quote.
Al-Majmoo’ (1/98).

So we Muslims don't derive rulings from Da'eef hadith as they can be falsehood or contain errors, etc.

And i think the classification and authentication of the ahadith makes it overtly authentic than your Bible.

No one classifies/authenticates the Bible. You just accept it by faith.

For example: In Matthew narrates in Matthew 9:9-10

9 As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.

10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

If truly Matthew narrated the above about Jesus, then Matthew won't have repeated his name several times as captured in bold.
How do we classify this Bible verse now?
But who cares in Christianity! Holy Spirit will cover up for the mistakes!

1. By phrasing a new question to answer it whilst setting aside the one I asked, you just show yourself to be disingenuous.

The simple answer is that Daif Hadiths are NOT REJECTED in Islam. But when you guys want to think that you are smart you begin to run to 'sound', 'good' or 'weak'.
If they were rejected, why have they not been expunged from Islamic books?

Why still retain what, according to you, has "falsehood or contain errors"; If indeed Islam truly consider them so?

2. You said:
"If truly Matthew narrated the above about Jesus, then Matthew won't have repeated his name several times as captured in bold."

Now, let's use the same yardstick for your Koran:
"In the name of ALLAH, the Gracious, the Merciful. All praise is due to ALLAH alone, Lord of all the worlds. The Gracious, the Merciful. Master of the Day of Judgment. THEE alone do we worship and THEE alone do we implore for help. Guide us in the straight path, The path of those on whom THOU hast bestowed THY favours, those who have not incurred THY displeasure and those who have not gone astray."
Chapter 1:1-7

This is Allah speaking here. You Moslems believe that it is Allah that is speaking in the Koran.
So, why is Allah saying "In the name of Allah, ......"?
Why is Allah saying "All praise is due to ALLAH alone"?
What of the 'Thee' and 'Thou' and 'Thy'?

What of these:
He it is who sends PRAYERS on you (Arabic- yusallii alaykum), as do His angels ... S. 33:43

Allah and His angels PRAY for the Prophet (Arabic- yasalluuna alan-Nabiyy): O ye that believe PRAY for him (salluu `alayhi), and salute him with all respect. S. 33:56

Why is Allah speaking as if he is referring to a third party?

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by sagenaija: 8:48pm On Jun 04
mhmsadyq:


When you believe in a god that was born and died, it would definitely be impossible for you to understand Allah and paradise.

Allah promises a mighty reward for the believing men and women.

A mighty reward before Allah is anything you can thing of and those beyond you imagination.

My God took on flesh in order to pay for the sins of all men. It was that flesh that died. He was judged for the sin of the whole world so that no one who accepts his substitutionary sacrifice will have to be ever judged again. So, there was a reason for his coming in flesh to die.

His divine nature and human soul were still alive during the period of death and eventually resurrected the body after 3 days.

In Koran 27: 7-9 Allah entered his creation and spoke from a fire. He was said to be the blessed one in the fire. Christians claim that God entered his creation as a man.
The Koran has two natures - as the eternal word of Allah and as a physical book. So, when the physical Koran is burnt will Moslems say that the eternal word of Allah is destroyed? No! It is only the things that make up the physical nature of the book that are destroyed. The Moslem will admit that the eternal nature of the Koran remains unchanged.

Jesus had two natures - the divine and the flesh. While the flesh could die, the divine nature remained because it is not subject to death. There's no issue with that for Christians.

But you are comfortable with a religion that was recreated in the Hijaz; a religion that DID NOT originally start there.
You are comfortable with a so-called Prophet whose original name was not Mohamed.
You are comfortable with Hadiths Hadiths that had to be reduced from 600,000 to 7,000 because there were a lot of 'fake'(?).
And only put together hundreds of years after Mohamed.
You are comfortable with a black stone that someone ran away with and put in the current location according to history.
You are comfortable with claiming 'Allah knows best' even when confronted with glaring inconsistencies and contradictions in your books.

You prefer a man-produced salvation to one that God himself provides. Jesus emphatically declared that he is the way, and the truth, and life. Come to him.
At the end of the day the choice is yours but you will have no excuse - I have warned you.

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by mhmsadyq(m): 9:43pm On Jun 04
sagenaija:
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My God took on flesh in order to pay for the sins of all men. It was that flesh that died. He was judged for the sin of the whole world so that no one who accepts his substitutionary sacrifice will have to be ever judged again. So, there was a reason for his coming in flesh to die.

His divine nature and human soul were still alive during the period of death and eventually resurrected the body after 3 days.

In Koran 27: 7-9 Allah entered his creation and spoke from a fire. [/b]He was said to be the blessed one in the fire. [b]Christians claim that God entered his creation as a man.
The Koran has two natures - as the eternal word of Allah and as a physical book. So, when the physical Koran is burnt will Moslems say that the eternal word of Allah is destroyed? No! It is only the things that make up the physical nature of the book that are destroyed. The Moslem will admit that the eternal nature of the Koran remains unchanged.

Jesus had two natures - the divine and the flesh. While the flesh could die, the divine nature remained because it is not subject to death. There's no issue with that for Christians.

But you are comfortable with a religion that was recreated in the Hijaz; a religion that DID NOT originally start there.
You are comfortable with a so-called Prophet whose original name was not Mohamed.
You are comfortable with Hadiths Hadiths that had to be reduced from 600,000 to 7,000 because there were a lot of 'fake'(?).
And only put together hundreds of years after Mohamed.
You are comfortable with a black stone that someone ran away with and put in the current location according to history.
You are comfortable with claiming 'Allah knows best' even when confronted with glaring inconsistencies and contradictions in your books.

You prefer a man-produced salvation to one that God himself provides. Jesus emphatically declared that he is the way, and the truth, and life. Come to him.
At the end of the day the choice is yours but you will have no excuse - I have warned you.

You are comfortable with a God that took a human form to die for his own creation sins.

Why not dey your lane jeje.

Everything you said up there are your own conjectures.

We know what we believe as Muslims.
Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by enilove(m): 11:36pm On Jun 04
mhmsadyq:


You are comfortable with a God that took a human form to die for his own creation sins.

Why not dey your lane jeje.

Everything you said up there are your own conjectures.

We know what we believe as Muslims.


Yes God took a human form to die for his creations and to live again for ever .

John 10:17-18 KJV
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. [18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

JESUS HAS THE POWER OF RESURRECTION .

But what you believe is Allah the black stone.
Is it not madness to believe in a stone than a man ?

Psalm 115:3-8 KJV
But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
[4] Their idols are stone, silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
[5] They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:
[6] They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:
[7] They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.
[8] They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.

You believe a man like Muhammad who was bewitched over Jesus Christ the Messiah who casted out demons of bewitchment from demons possessed people like Muhammad .
Is that sensible to you ?

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Re: The Women Of Allah's Paradise by mhmsadyq(m): 2:23pm On Jun 05
enilove:


Yes God took a human form to die for his creations and to live again for ever .

John 10:17-18 KJV
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. [18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

JESUS HAS THE POWER OF RESURRECTION .

But what you believe is Allah the black stone.
Is it not madness to believe in a stone than a man ?

Psalm 115:3-8 KJV
But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
[4] Their idols are stone, silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
[5] They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:
[6] They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:
[7] They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.
[8] They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.

You believe a man like Muhammad who was bewitched over Jesus Christ the Messiah who casted out demons of bewitchment from demons possessed people like Muhammad .
Is that sensible to you ?

You are only want to argue as usual.
You have been here sufficiently to know who Allah is.
Muslims have schooled you enough about Allah.

Allah is not an idol in any form or object.
Allah can never take human form for whatever reason.
Allah can never beget. This is an animal act!

[112:1] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"قُلۡ ہُوَ اللّٰہُ اَحَدٌ ۚ﴿۱﴾

(O Esteemed Messenger!) Proclaim: ‘He is Allah, Who is the One.


[112:2] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"اَللّٰہُ الصَّمَدُ ۚ﴿۲﴾

Allah is the Transcendent of all, the Protector and Far-Superior to all.
[112:3] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"لَمۡ یَلِدۡ ۬ۙ وَ لَمۡ یُوۡلَدۡ ۙ﴿۳﴾

He has not begotten any, nor is He begotten.

[112:4] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"وَ لَمۡ یَکُنۡ لَّہٗ کُفُوًا اَحَدٌ ٪﴿۴﴾

Nor is there anyone equal to Him.’


For Muhammad to cause you these obssessions is also an evidence of his prophethood.

As a Muslim I have no issue with what Jesus did or did not do. He wasn't God nor the son of God. Simple!

[10:65] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"وَ لَا یَحۡزُنۡکَ قَوۡلُہُمۡ ۘ اِنَّ الۡعِزَّۃَ لِلّٰہِ جَمِیۡعًا ؕ ہُوَ السَّمِیۡعُ الۡعَلِیۡمُ ﴿۶۵﴾
(O Glorious Messenger!) Let not their (hostile and malicious) conversation grieve you. Surely, all grandeur and authority belong to Allah alone (Who bestows upon whom He wills anything He may please). He is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
[10:66] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"اَلَاۤ اِنَّ لِلّٰہِ مَنۡ فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ مَنۡ فِی الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ وَ مَا یَتَّبِعُ الَّذِیۡنَ یَدۡعُوۡنَ مِنۡ دُوۡنِ اللّٰہِ شُرَکَآءَ ؕ اِنۡ یَّـتَّبِعُوۡنَ اِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَ اِنۡ ہُمۡ اِلَّا یَخۡرُصُوۡنَ ﴿۶۶﴾
Know! To Allah belongs whoever is in the heavens and whoever is in the earth. And those who worship (idols) besides Allah do not (in fact) follow (even) their (own sculptured) partner-gods. They follow but only (their own) assumption and conjecture, and they merely indulge in wrong guesswork.
[10:67] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"ہُوَ الَّذِیۡ جَعَلَ لَکُمُ الَّیۡلَ لِتَسۡکُنُوۡا فِیۡہِ وَ النَّہَارَ مُبۡصِرًا ؕ اِنَّ فِیۡ ذٰلِکَ لَاٰیٰتٍ لِّقَوۡمٍ یَّسۡمَعُوۡنَ ﴿۶۷﴾
He is the One Who has made the night for you so that you may rest and relax therein, and made the day bright (so that therein you may do your work). Surely, there are signs in this for those who listen (attentively).
[10:68] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"قَالُوا اتَّخَذَ اللّٰہُ وَلَدًا سُبۡحٰنَہٗ ؕ ہُوَ الۡغَنِیُّ ؕ لَہٗ مَا فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ مَا فِی الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ اِنۡ عِنۡدَکُمۡ مِّنۡ سُلۡطٰنٍۭ بِہٰذَا ؕ اَتَقُوۡلُوۡنَ عَلَی اللّٰہِ مَا لَا تَعۡلَمُوۡنَ ﴿۶۸﴾
They say: ‘Allah has adopted a son (for Himself,’ whereas) He is Holy. He is Self-Sufficient. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth, all belongs to Him alone. You have no evidence with you of this (false allegation). Do you attribute that (thing) to Allah which you (yourselves) do not know?
[10:69] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"قُلۡ اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ یَفۡتَرُوۡنَ عَلَی اللّٰہِ الۡکَذِبَ لَا یُفۡلِحُوۡنَ ﴿ؕ۶۹﴾
Say: ‘Surely, those who fabricate lies against Allah shall not prosper.’
[10:70] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"مَتَاعٌ فِی الدُّنۡیَا ثُمَّ اِلَیۡنَا مَرۡجِعُہُمۡ ثُمَّ نُذِیۡقُہُمُ الۡعَذَابَ الشَّدِیۡدَ بِمَا کَانُوۡا یَکۡفُرُوۡنَ ﴿٪۷۰﴾
There is (but a few days’) enjoyment in this world. Then they are to return to Us. We shall then afflict them with a severe torment as recompense for their disbelief.

You can continue your argument.

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