Ariani:


Yet the stupid Reno opened his mouth to tell us how not having useless fat lazy kings meant that Igboland was disorganized and open for any stupid group to plunder.
What a stupid sentence.

When the British with Maxim guns sweated for decades to get past Enuani and the Eastern Igbos, what chance did useless village Monarchical minority societies around Igbos stand?

Normally we should be humiliating these people for being stupid enough to allow a fat slow man rule over them, like they don't have brains to decide their own dates, but we don't, because naturally we mind our own business.

But apparently, these people are now drunk in their own foolishness that they think our silence on exposing and deriding their stupid monarchies was an invitation for them to start attacking our superior democratic society.

I swear, we have to start putting these people where they all belong. We have been on the defense for so long. It's about time we go in attack full speed.

Ndi Mgbu!

Thank you. You've said it all.

Ariani:


Lol!
You are not so wise.
Who doesn't know that British expendition soldiers were mainly blacks recruited from neighbouring tribes? The British army that invaded Arochukwu had many recruited sell out Igbos from non Aro affliated groups in them. Some of them had vendetta against Aro though.

Benin ruled Onicha? You are not okay.
You suffer from inferiority complex and need to attach to Igbo blinding glories and splendour.
Onicha people were Igbos who went to Bini to civilized you savages, but had to leave when you wanted to kill them and returned back home and were welcomed back into the receptive warm hands of fellow Igbos.

Your brother recently posted an Interview by Igwe Achebe Nnaemeka, go look for an Igbo man to interpret the interview for you.

How dare you place your village kingdom side by side with those great empires who are associated with one world changing inventions or the other?
Are you a comedian?

lol you have comprehensive issues?
I said onicha was founded by the benins
https://www.britannica.com/place/Onitsha-Nigeria

If we are to go by the anichebe version which is also the Benin version it's even worse.
Chima the son of the Oba who was most likely birthed by Ika slave was denied the throne so he took some loyalist and migrated far away across the Niger.
I was basically talking about Onitsha being founded by Benin adventurers and modeled after the Benin monarchy.

doublewisdom:

Akuko Idu n'Oba

what the hell are you trying to say?

Denn:


Me i will ask questions o.

Which decades did the British sweat to get past the Enuani and eastern Igbos?

Thanks

Ariani

You are yet to answer this question.

Many of you Igbos just chose to be deliberately foolish for no reason.

How can a lunatic be comparing Ojukwu that was beaten blue-black by an aboki in the 20th century to the Benin king that withstand the might of the British invasion in the 18th century ?

We are talking British invasion similar to that of the America n India. I am 100% sure the British can not have a journal on conquest of the igbo, that is how insignificant your entire tribe is n will forever be till eternity.

Do you have any idea how many books memo journals have been written by the same British on dealing with the Benin kingdom ?

Ariani:


Funny enough when the British captured Bini City.
They complained of your savagery uncivilized ways.
Many rotten flesh of human sacrifice altars all over the fettish village Bini City.
Very funny.
Arochukwu defended Aro chukwu town for full four days before losing the town.
But your backward Village empire of fables lasted for just a day and then capitulated! Go figure.
The Enogies are Oba stooges hence all surrendered to the British immediately they captured the Oba.

Was Bini an empire? Who did you rule over? Ikas?

There is a reason developed world jettisoned Monarchical system for democratic ones, they (Monarchical system) were defective systems and doesn't suit the massess.

We had clear leaders. They were just not a fat old Oba with many wives to Bleep around and feed fat on people sweat We were too sophisticated to allow such.
Our leaders were elected/appointed for specific tasks at specific times. Your Bini were the real savages who took weapons from Portuguese and went about terrorizing your fellow blacks to exchange for pieces of bronze.
Shameless minorities.

The war was already lost before Ojukwu fled because of the international sabotage that led to Biafran blockade and the starvation policy.
Ojukwu was not captured. Biafra was starved of food, which by the way was a war crime.

Either way, Ojukwu wasn't a king neither were we running a Monarchical system in Biafra, so I fail to see the relationship.
If you had killed Ojukwu, and Biafra still had access to food and weapons,I promise you that the war would continue full throttle with new leader appointed. Biafra lost Enugu city very early in the campaign, yet the war raged on for years. Oba wasn't even captured when Bini fell, he ran into the bush and had the opportunity to regroup and fight again at other places if Bini was indeed an empire. But because Bini was a mushroom kingdom living in fables, Oba knew his control didn't extend much outside Bini City, so once the City fell, the Oba came out from the Bush he was hiding like a coward and tried to negotiate his freedom with gold and silver from the British army.
Either way, you are comparing apples and oranges here.
Let's stick to your fat old slow Oba and your defective Monarchical system that couldn't defend Bini for more than 1 day under the power of Maxim guns, whereas Arochukwu town was defended for 4 full days and thereafter rallied behind and continued the battle outside the administrative headquarters of the Confederacy for another full 5 months.

Walkee:
lol you have comprehensive issues?
I said onicha was founded by the benins
https://www.britannica.com/place/Onitsha-Nigeria

If we are to go by the anichebe version which is also the Benin version it's even worse.
Chima the son of the Oba who was most likely birthed by Ika slave was denied the throne so he took some loyalist and migrated far away across the Niger.
I was basically talking about Onitsha being founded by Benin adventurers and modeled after the Benin monarchy.

Lol!
You obviously didn't listen to Igwe Achebe interview well.
Onitsha lived in Ife having migrated from Igboland, later moved to Bini , had issues with Bini people, and came back home to Igboland, all these while maintaining and retaining their Igbo language and names.

Is Onitsha Monarchy really same as Bini?
As travellers, Onicha came back home with foreign cultural exposure.
So they created a unique system based on Igbo tenets, but garnished with Bini flamboyance.

For example, the Monarchy in Onitsha doesn't go from father to son.
It moves from one rulling house to the other, unlike Bini that moves from father to son.

The Title of the king is Obi and Igwe,both Igbo royalty titles, and not Oba or Ogie, as found among Edoid and Yoruboid races.

The King is not the owner of the land. He is a bit ceremonial. The land belongs to families as obtainable in Igboland.
There are also the Ofo and Ogu institution of ancient Igbos and the Nze na Ozo council.

You will be stupid if you think Onicha Monarchy is same as Bini's.

Ariani:


Lol!
You are not so wise.
Who doesn't know that British expendition soldiers were mainly blacks recruited from neighbouring tribes? The British army that invaded Arochukwu had many recruited sell out Igbos from non Aro affliated groups in them. Some of them had vendetta against Aro though.

Benin ruled Onicha? You are not okay.
You suffer from inferiority complex and need to attach to Igbo blinding glories and splendour.
Onicha people were Igbos who went to Bini to civilize you savages, but had to leave when you wanted to kill them and returned back home and were welcomed back into the receptive warm hands of fellow Igbos.

Your brother recently posted an Interview by Igwe Achebe Nnaemeka, go look for an Igbo man to interpret the interview for you.

How dare you place your village kingdom side by side with those great empires who are associated with one world changing inventions or the other?
Are you a comedian?

I am not talking about a few sellout/mercenaries, I'm talking about conquistadors. No kingdom on earth ever survived black conquistadors. That was Europeans defeated and annihilated kingdoms in the Americas. Tell black conquistadors that there's riches hidden in this Palace, capture the king and all the gold and bronze will be yours and watch them annihilate a full kingdom.

Ariani:


Lol!
You obviously didn't listen to Igwe Achebe interview well.
Onitsha lived in Ife having migrated from Igboland, later moved to Bini , had issues with Bini people, and came back home to Igboland, all these while maintaining and retaining their Igbo language and names.

Is Onitsha Monarchy really same as Bini?
As travellers, Onicha came back home with foreign cultural exposure.
So they created a unique system based on Igbo tenets, but garnished with Bini flamboyance.

For example, the Monarchy in Onitsha doesn't go from father to son.
It moves from one rulling house to the other, unlike Bini that moves from father to son.

The Title of the king is Obi and Igwe,both Igbo royalty titles, and not Oba or Ogie, as found among Edoid and Yoruboid races.

The King is not the owner of the land. He is a bit ceremonial. The land belongs to families as obtainable in Igboland.
There are also the Ofo and Ogu institution of ancient Igbos and the Nze na Ozo council.

You will be stupid if you think Onicha Monarchy is same as Bini's.

the initial system of governance prior to the Oba dynasty moved from house to house. What were igbos doing in far away ile ife? If that account were true why aren't there native Igbos in ife like we have Ikas here?
That whole story does not even make an iota of sense

Exponential101:
Many of you Igbos just chose to be deliberately foolish for no reason.

How can a lunatic be comparing Ojukwu that was beaten blue-black by an aboki in the 20th century to the Benin king that withstand the might of the British invasion in the 18th century ?

We are talking British invasion similar to that of the America n India. I am 100% sure the British can not have a journal on conquest of the igbo, that is how insignificant your entire tribe is n will forever be till eternity.

Do you have any idea how many books memo journals have been written by the same British on dealing with the Benin kingdom ?

You are not okay upstairs.

Bini was overrun by Biafra in days too.

Your fat old Oba was a sitting duck and ran away to the bush like a coward without putting up a fight when the British rolled in the Maxim guns at Bini.
The war lasted for just a day.
The fat unfit old man ran into the bush, instead of him to reorganize his people and fight back, he came back from the bush to hand himself to the British.
Even offering to give his silver and gold to the British to buy his own freedom and become British stooge.
What a disgrace and shame.

In contrast, Aros defended Arochukwu for full 4 days under same British Maxim guns, because they were more organized and sophisticated, they had men of skills who fashioned local guns, something Bini lack. All they know to do was fall down on the floor like men without brains shouting "Oba gha tokpe" to their old fat king. Mtchew.

And when Arochukwu town fell, the people regrouped and continued fighting.

And mind you, Aros have a king, he is called Eze Aro, but in real time, he was just a priest king and not a dictator who dictated to anyone.

Let me tell you, you lots were primitive and cannot measure to Igbos weather in the ancient or present.

That we normally mind our business about your ancient fables and let you lie to yourselves about imaginary glory, doesn't mean we don't Know the truth.
Ask around, in my part of Igboland, "Akuko Idu n'Oba" is an ancient way of saying "fairy tales and fables". Ancient Igbos are aware of Oba people penchant for fairy tales, concocted stories and fables, we make jest of it within our homes, but we are repectable and decent enough not to come out in public to make jest of you guys about your fat Obas worship and all that we find retarded and foolish.

We are only doing so now because you have refused to mind your business.
You are pokenosing into our own business.

Very interesting thread

jimyjames:

Did I tell you I hate them? I'm happy because stories like this will reset their brains to know that we their brothers from South East are the only true brothers they have, we have been killed and humiliated because of them but never denied them

What is the difference between this behavior and that of a
terrorist Fulani herdsman?

Always claiming what u don't own

Ariani:


You are not okay upstairs.

Bini was overrun by Biafra in days too.

Your fat old Oba was a sitting duck and ran away to the bush like a coward without putting up a fight when the British rolled in the Maxim guns at Bini.
The war lasted for just a day.
The fat unfit old man ran into the bush, instead of him to reorganize his people and fight back, he came back from the bush to hand himself to the British.
Even offering to give his silver and gold to the British to buy his own freedom and become British stooge.
What a disgrace and shame.

In contrast, Aros defended Arochukwu for full 4 days under same British Maxim guns, because they were more organized and sophisticated, they had men of skills who fashioned local guns, something Bini lack. All they know to do was fall down on the floor like men without brains shouting "Oba gha tokpe" to their old fat king. Mtchew.

And when Arochukwu town fell, the people regrouped and continued fighting.

And mind you, Aros have a king, he is called Eze Aro, but in real time, he was just a priest king and not a dictator who dictated to anyone.

Let me tell you, you lots were primitive and cannot measure to Igbos weather in the ancient or present.

That we normally mind our business about your ancient fables and let you lie to yourselves about imaginary glory, doesn't mean we don't Know the truth.
Ask around, in my part of Igboland, "Akuko Idu n'Oba" is an ancient way of saying "fairy tales and fables". Ancient Igbos are aware of Oba people penchant for fairy tales, concocted stories and fables, we make jest of it within our homes, but we are repectable and decent enough not to come out in public to make jest of you guys about your fat Obas worship and all that we find retarded and foolish.

We are only doing so now because you have refused to mind your business.
You are pokenosing into our own business.

If igbos told tales of the Oba of Benin’s exploits, is it not possible that some of it is true?

Remember these tales were brought by igbos who escaped from the raids or who have seen the different culture first hand.

It is very easy for the hinterland igbos to discredit the tales since they have not stepped out of their communes.

If you have not had exposure to the europeans till today, if someone came and told you the europeans have cars and aero planes and mobile phones, wont you say its still same akuko idu na oba tales?

Walkee:
what the hell are you trying to say?

He meant fairy-tale

YungMillionaire:


I disagree with you. There is no evidence that Edos are more intelligent than Igbos. In fact, I think in terms of intellectual achievements Igbos are heads and shoulders above Edo. Let's be honest. Where is the Chinua Achebe equivalent among Edos?

You can see the great minds in the classical exclusive bronze works, in the civilized way we lived back then, when your progenitors were still walking around naked, we built structures, defences(Benin moat) etc, built an Empire that stretches down to Dahomey, streets paved with lights, built soldiers that pushed back the fulani jihadists, conquered territories, we did all these thousands of years ago. Intellectual intelligence is not all about writing books.

bomb24:


All the edo intellectuals put together can't light up a single candle.

85% of your population are stack illiterates, u have no reputable achievement to boast of in the history of Nigeria and Africa as a whole.

your women are being used on the shores of Libya and Europe as a pit latrine where white men defecate on them and set them up on chains.

Bragging about natural intelligence when no one from your rustic state has ever bagged an academic award.

Your fore fathers were running around naked in the bush, when our Empire was colonizing towns, enslaving box heads like you, and collecting passage levies. Y'all are dumb and clownish as always, you people never have nothing intelligent in those box heads of yours. Talking trash.

Walkee:
lol you have comprehensive issues?
I said onicha was founded by the benins
https://www.britannica.com/place/Onitsha-Nigeria

If we are to go by the anichebe version which is also the Benin version it's even worse.
Chima the son of the Oba who was most likely birthed by Ika slave was denied the throne so he took some loyalist and migrated far away across the Niger.
I was basically talking about Onitsha being founded by Benin adventurers and modeled after the Benin monarchy.

Wait , where the Obi of Onicha say Onicha was founded by Bini people (people of Bini ancestry) ? And , do you even know the history and traditions of Onicha ?

Of course , Onicha borrowed Bini titles like Iyasele , Esogba/Ozoma etc but their traditions and naming styles are 99.9% Igbo. Their shrines are Igbo shrines. You can't win this because the evidence is too great

distributeinc:

You can see the great minds in the classical exclusive bronze works, in the civilized way we lived back then, when your progenitors were still walking around naked, we built structures, defences(Benin moat) etc, built an Empire that stretches down to Dahomey, streets paved with lights, built soldiers that pushed back the fulani jihadists, conquered territories, we did all these thousands of years ago. Intellectual intelligence is not all about writing books.

You meant you build tarred roads and electric lights....lmao

You savaged were beheading babbies for human sacrifices. After the British invation all your shrines were littered with human heads of innocent virgins and babies....my God , you people are cursed!!

But Igbo made more sophisticated metal work than Bini. Isn't that so ?

Where is your Emeagwali
Where is your Kanu
Where is your Okocha
Chimamanda
Okonjo
Achebe
Pius Okigbo

distributeinc:

Your fore fathers were running around naked in the bush, when our Empire was colonizing towns, enslaving box heads like you, and collecting passage levies. Y'all are dumb and clownish as always, you people never have nothing intelligent in those box heads of yours. Talking trash.

You were terrorizing little Edoid tribes. You should have ventured into Anioma....lmao

IDENNAA:


You meant you build tarred roads and electric lights....lmao

You savaged were beheading babbies for human sacrifices. After the British invation all your shrines were littered with human heads of innocent virgins and babies....my God , you people are cursed!!

But Igbo made more sophisticated metal work than Bini. Isn't that so ?

Where is your Emeagwali
Where is your Kanu
Where is your Okocha
Chimamanda
Okonjo
Achebe
Pius Okigbo

I don't do bragging, but you must know that they are several other people across the world that has done Nigeria proud, who are from other tribes and parts of the country, and not only popular people do great things, if you go through Nigerian history you will see names of various people of various tribes doing big things, I dont need to be mentioning names, no point...I think at this junction, we can agree to disagree.

excerpts from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Benin

Fortifications were important in the region and numerous military campaigns fought by Benin's soldiers revolved around sieges. As noted above, Benin's military earthworks are the largest of such structures in the world, and Benin's rivals also built extensively. Barring a successful assault, most sieges were resolved by a strategy of attrition, slowly cutting off and starving out the enemy fortification until it capitulated.

IDENNAA:


You were terrorizing little Edoid tribes. You should have ventured into Anioma....lmao

The empire stretched to Lagos, all the way to Dahomey. These are list of Empires in West Africa. No ibo Empire, so that solves the argument.

The ancient and medieval Mediterranean might have been a bustling stage of ever-changing empires but, across the inhospitable barrier of the Sahara Desert, West Africans were equally busy building up and toppling down their own kingdoms and empires. With wealth gained from vast herds of livestock, natural resources such as salt and gold, and control of trade routes, several states were able to conquer their less affluent and militarily-weaker neighbours to forge impressive empires. In this collection, we examine the big three of the Ghana Empire, Mali Empire, and Songhai Empire as well as the lucrative trade connections they made with West and North Africa. We also look at the important kingdoms of the southern coast of West Africa such as Nok, Benin, and Ife, and especially the art they produced which continues to wow museum visitors around the world. As the commercial tentacles of West African states extended so, too, they came under the influence of Islam as great trade cities arose like Timbuktu.

This is from a trusted source https://www.worldhistory.org/collection/61/the-empires-of-west-africa/

Walkee:
the initial system of governance prior to the Oba dynasty moved from house to house. What were igbos doing in far away ile ife? If that account were true why aren't there native Igbos in ife like we have Ikas here?
That whole story does not even make an iota of sense

People migrate according to economic changes. If your area of settlement become uninhabitable you will move and find a better location.

I am from a town next to Onicha and our culture are like 90% similar yet we are Nri-Awka cultured people.

doublewisdom:

Taaa, onye gwai nko?

Laugh..Bros, I don’t know where you are from but if you are from loins of ezechima. You are from bini

ejibaba:


Laugh..Bros, I don’t know where you are from but if you are from loins of ezechima. You are from bini

Says who ? Who taught you that ?

IDENNAA:


Says who ? Who taught you that ?

I just taught you because I’m from there.

ejibaba:


I just taught you because I’m from there.

Where are you from ? I am from Idemmili , Anambra.

Let the game begin. What made you think Ndi Onicha have Bini ancestry

distributeinc:

The empire stretched to Lagos, all the way to Dahomey. These are list of Empires in West Africa. No ibo Empire, so that solves the argument.

The ancient and medieval Mediterranean might have been a bustling stage of ever-changing empires but, across the inhospitable barrier of the Sahara Desert, West Africans were equally busy building up and toppling down their own kingdoms and empires. With wealth gained from vast herds of livestock, natural resources such as salt and gold, and control of trade routes, several states were able to conquer their less affluent and militarily-weaker neighbours to forge impressive empires. In this collection, we examine the big three of the Ghana Empire, Mali Empire, and Songhai Empire as well as the lucrative trade connections they made with West and North Africa. We also look at the important kingdoms of the southern coast of West Africa such as Nok, Benin, and Ife, and especially the art they produced which continues to wow museum visitors around the world. As the commercial tentacles of West African states extended so, too, they came under the influence of Islam as great trade cities arose like Timbuktu.

This is from a trusted source https://www.worldhistory.org/collection/61/the-empires-of-west-africa/

Nok was not a kingdom or empire. It was the oldest civilization in Nigeria and one of the earliest in West Africa followed by Igbo civilization with Sophisticated metal casting, the oldest of its kind in West Africa.

How ignorant of you to mention Nok and by pass Igboukwu which came directly after Nok.
Igboukwu predate Yoruba and Benin.

They are a tribe who don't have a leader and are Republican but they have monarchical system that is of the same pattern with the Benin who they regard as inferior

One day, we'll talk abt if the Igbos were completely Republican as they say

No man born of a woman ventured into Igbo land and made it out alive.. but they hate Gowon for wetin he use their grandparents eyes see

The capital of Aro fell in 5 days...

The capital of Benin kingdom fell in 10 days..



But the way the Igbos chest beat, u'll think it took the British 20 years to get to their capital

Besides.. after the capital fell, there was also resistance from all other parts of the kingdom including the esans

See link below

https://www.nairaland.com/6664299/benin-didnt-fall-under-weeks

Boudiccao:



Nok was not a kingdom or empire. It was the oldest civilization in Nigeria and one of the earliest in West Africa followed by Igbo civilization with Sophisticated metal casting, the oldest of its kind in West Africa.

How ignorant of you to mention Nok and by pass Igboukwu which came directly after Nok.
Igboukwu predate Yoruba and Benin.

See the link, it's not my compilation, I know you people are dumb. This is from a neutral source...they list the most significant kingdoms/empires, if you are not on the list, then you were not significant.

distributeinc:


See the link, it's not my compilation, I know you people are dumb. This is from a neutral source...they list the most significant kingdoms/empires, if you are not on the list, then you were not significant.

There is nothing like neutral source here and the authors are not incapable of making mistakes.
If you were not dumb yourself,you should have known that Nok is the oldest civilization(not empire) in Nigeria followed by Igbo civilization. You can't talk about civilization of the Niger area without getting to Igboukwu immediately after Nok.

aribisala0:
The Aros were not idetified as Igbo during the slave trade and indeed few groups were.

The Aro were ruled by an Ibom/Akamkpa dynasty just like Fulani rule in Kano

That dynasty is there till today

Reno is right Ibos are very sensitive and emotional folk , like women

u confidently spilled trash. wtf is ibom dynasty? do u know the meaning of ibom.? the ruling house of arochukwu has always been okenachi dynasty an igbo family.

the akampas where just mare allies who supplied guns and foot soldiers to the aros like every other clan did wich were under the arochukwu confederacy.

And was has emotions got to do with this thread? why do u yolobas always sound foolish when facts are being tabled on ground during discussions like this, when u lots can't counter or debunk claims u lots begin to run like dogs on hit saying " igbos are too emotional and all other bullshit."

Ariana and co must have really caused you pain with the way they were able to handle this discussion.