Fejoku:

That your text from Prof. Jones Alali is as funny as hell. It is this same madness of trying to claim Ndoki that triggered me into researching about the entire Ijaw claims. Today I know so much about them and can clearly see their original boundaries. It is very shameful for a so called Prof to resort to such low-level of claiming a people who are 100% unrelated to you. Ndokis have no land boundary with Ijaws. They don't speak any language similar to Ijaw neither do they share any cultural practice with Ijaws. Rather it is their culture that have influenced Bonny till this day. How then can this prof claim them to be Ijaws? I have been to Ndokiland on at least 3 occasions and their Igbo is as clear as the clearest Igbo dialect of southern Igboland.
You yourself can take a trip to Ukwa East in Abia state where you will find the Ndokis to make your own findings.

Fejoku:

That your text from Prof. Jones Alali is as funny as hell. It is this same madness of trying to claim Ndoki that triggered me into researching about the entire Ijaw claims. Today I know so much about them and can clearly see their original boundaries. It is very shameful for a so called Prof to resort to such low-level of claiming a people who are 100% unrelated to you. Ndokis have no land boundary with Ijaws. They don't speak any language similar to Ijaw neither do they share any cultural practice with Ijaws. Rather it is their culture that have influenced Bonny till this day. How then can this prof claim them to be Ijaws? I have been to Ndokiland on at least 3 occasions and their Igbo is as clear as the clearest Igbo dialect of southern Igboland.
You yourself can take a trip to Ukwa East in Abia state where you will find the Ndokis to make your own findings.

oyatz:


Iye (Yoruba)= Iye (Bini) = Mother= Aye/Iye (Igbo)= Woman

Orisha/Oosha (Yoruba)= Oritse(Itsekiri)= Osaa (Bini) = olise (Ika)= Olisa (Igbo).

Osadebe (Edo)= Osadebe (Igbo)= Olisadebe.

Orishajenfo (Yoruba) = Oritsejafor (Itsekiri)= 'The gods allowed me to talk' or more contextually, the 'gods have given me voice'

Omo (Yoruba) = Omo (Bini) = Oma (Itsekiri) = Rumu (Ikwerre)= Umu (Igbo).

Akin (Yoruba) = Aken( Bini)= Iken (Itsekiri) = Ike (Igbo) = Warrior/ Power depending on the context.

Akinbuwa/Akenzua/ Ikengbuwa ?

JANK23H:

Take time to read sometimes,that way you won't have to say unnecessary things

Ariani:


This is nonsense!

Mother is not Iye or Aye in Igbo. It's Nne!

It's also stupid to separate Igbo from IKa, as IKa as a language is part of the Igbo cluster.
What you call Igbo has cluster of dialects with minor differences.
Ika don't say Olise! And Olisa in Igbo has many dialectical variation depending on part of Igbo land, ranging from Olise, Orise to Orisa, and it has nothing to do with Yoruba Orisha.

And please no body in Bini bears Osadebe! That name is exclusively Igbo.

There are words Igbo share in common with Yoruba, but the ones you listed are not part of it.

Yves4real:

Na wah o.
With these names used by different ethnic groups, it will be hard to lay claim of certain regions just because their names are spelt same as those answered by your tribe.
I just had to use Google to find out the history of Isoko and I got many conflicting reports.
Some said they are from Niger-Congo, others had something else written.
Below is the link of the one I may agree with because the writer is of Isoko extraction due to his name.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nigeriagalleria.com/Nigeria/States_Nigeria/Delta/History-of-Isoko-Kingdom-in-Delta-State.html%23:~:text%3DNIGERIA%2520%253E%253E%2520Delta%2520%253E%2520Isoko%2520Kingdom%26text%3DThe%2520oral%2520history%2520has%2520it,senior)%2520Uzere%252C%2520and%2520Okpe.&ved=2ahUKEwia3f7BlfDyAhXk0eAKHdHkDTEQFnoECAUQBQ&usg=AOvVaw2Ycx2NmYwfJuxTE-C4dwW1

JANK23H:

Take time to read sometimes,that way you won't have to say unnecessary things

BKayy:

Ndokwa East must be Bini. Ask Abohboy
He is the Bini representative of Ndokwa people home and abroad on nairaland

Tomek09:
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When will you guys stop linking Igbo tribe to all these minority ethnic clan in SouthSouth. It's getting monotonous already.

Taba21:

They are too small

Taba21:

They are too small

JANK23H:

Take time to read sometimes,that way you won't have to say unnecessary things

Fejoku:

Your level of education is in question. My post clearly refuted the claims of the insincere prof yet you're still asking me to read the jargons he wrote. Why should I waste my time reading it again?
Are there some Ibanis(Ijaws) who might have settled in Ndokiland throughout the over two hundred years of Ndoki/Bonny interaction? Yes.
Could the population of such settlers be enough as to suggest any shift in the Igbo nature, language and culture of Ndoki? No, not at all. The Ibanis are a very small group that couldn't even match the population of Igbos in Bonny so how can they become Ndokis or have sufficient impact as to affect the Igbo nature Ndokiland surrounded by millions of other Igbo groups.

Fejoku:

Your level of education is in question. My post clearly refuted the claims of the insincere prof yet you're still asking me to read the jargons he wrote. Why should I waste my time reading it again?
Are there some Ibanis(Ijaws) who might have settled in Ndokiland throughout the over two hundred years of Ndoki/Bonny interaction? Yes.
Could the population of such settlers be enough as to suggest any shift in the Igbo nature, language and culture of Ndoki? No, not at all. The Ibanis are a very small group that couldn't even match the population of Igbos in Bonny so how can they become Ndokis or have sufficient impact as to affect the Igbo nature Ndokiland surrounded by millions of other Igbo groups.

Idiko1:


There is nothing remotely about the after-Nigeria/Biafra-war ethnicity such as Isoko in the bolded. Osakwenike, Abuetor, Ama-Ogbokiri and Anibueze (Anibeze) have no bearing in the silly Isoko.

Vintagepipes:

Why not act educated a bit. People are digging up excerpts from books from the 1800s, 1700s and very early 1906 to talk about history, while you are cropping webpages and opinion page.
Why are you people so intellectually lazy?

One thing I have noticed on this platforms is that, it seems it is only Igbos and even Yorubas that go deep into digging up written historical accounts to make points, the rest are just either intellectually lazy or uninformed.

JANK23H:

History written by whom? because you attached history written by Europeans with an Igbo bias then it becomes authentic? The same Europeans who distorted our history to their favour and told you they discovered River Niger.Yet we belittle the good works of our historians.

Guy shift!Nobody is intellectually lazy here but Igbos distorting history.The Yorubas here have put you in your place long ago and now your attention has turned to Ijaws and other Niger Delta tribes.

JANK23H:


I should be questioning your own education.You deliberately miss the point.At least you now agree Ibanis are Ijaws and not Igbos.[b]Since you now agree, how could there have been more Igbos in Ibani land[b].The influence we speak of here is Language and not culture, because the culture remains till date the Ijaw culture.

I have explained to you with publications how the Igbo language became dominant.All you need do is produce proof and explain the contrary.

Again,my argument is about Ibanis in Bonny and Opobo.

Fejoku:

Your understanding is very warped. Ibanis are of Ijaw ancestry that joined Ndokis at Bonny. The two have shared the history of Bonny for a long time with Ndoki Igbos having more influence. Where did I state the Ibanis do not share language similarity with Ijaws?
Ndoki is Igbo through and through. It is you who should bring any proof to affirm their Ijaw origin. Why am I even wasting my time talking to you about Ndoki Igbos? Go to Ukwa East today and tell them they are Ijaws and watch what they will do to you. The Nwaotam masquerade celebrated in Ndoki, Bonny and Opobo came from Ndoki and is only celebrated by these three groups. No other Igbo community celebrate Nwaotam. Is Nwaotam Ibani language? Mind yourself o.
Since you claim that Ndokis practice Ijaw culture, I want you to tell the readers the Ijaw culture practiced by Ndokis.
For the statement in bold, I want you to tell me where you mean by Ibani land.
As for number, Igbos had outnumbered Ibanis in Bonny since over 200yrs ago. This is because both Ndoki Igbos and other Igbos both slaves and free where in Bonny for a long time trading consumables that Bonny couldn't produce. This was even before palm oil trade started. Mind you that Ndokis never saw themselves as Igbos at that time nor did the Ibanis see themselves as Ijaws. It was just independent groups coming together to conduct business and relate together. Igbo language dominated because the sheer number of Igbo related groups cemented the Igbo language there.

Fejoku:

Your understanding is very warped. Ibanis are of Ijaw ancestry that joined Ndokis at Bonny. The two have shared the history of Bonny for a long time with Ndoki Igbos having more influence. Where did I state the Ibanis do not share language similarity with Ijaws?
Ndoki is Igbo through and through. It is you who should bring any proof to affirm their Ijaw origin. Why am I even wasting my time talking to you about Ndoki Igbos? Go to Ukwa East today and tell them they are Ijaws and watch what they will do to you. The Nwaotam masquerade celebrated in Ndoki, Bonny and Opobo came from Ndoki and is only celebrated by these three groups. No other Igbo community celebrate Nwaotam. Is Nwaotam Ibani language? Mind yourself o.
Since you claim that Ndokis practice Ijaw culture, I want you to tell the readers the Ijaw culture practiced by Ndokis.
For the statement in bold, I want you to tell me where you mean by Ibani land.
As for number, Igbos had outnumbered Ibanis in Bonny since over 200yrs ago. This is because both Ndoki Igbos and other Igbos both slaves and free where in Bonny for a long time trading consumables that Bonny couldn't produce. This was even before palm oil trade started. Mind you that Ndokis never saw themselves as Igbos at that time nor did the Ibanis see themselves as Ijaws. It was just independent groups coming together to conduct business and relate together. Igbo language dominated because the sheer number of Igbo related groups cemented the Igbo language there.

Fejoku:
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Your understanding is very warped. Ibanis are of Ijaw ancestry that joined Ndokis at Bonny. The two have shared the history of Bonny for a long time with Ndoki Igbos having more influence. Where did I state the Ibanis do not share language similarity with Ijaws?
Ndoki is Igbo through and through. It is you who should bring any proof to affirm their Ijaw origin. Why am I even wasting my time talking to you about Ndoki Igbos? Go to Ukwa East today and tell them they are Ijaws and watch what they will do to you. The Nwaotam masquerade celebrated in Ndoki, Bonny and Opobo came from Ndoki and is only celebrated by these three groups. No other Igbo community celebrate Nwaotam. Is Nwaotam Ibani language? Mind yourself o.
Since you claim that Ndokis practice Ijaw culture, I want you to tell the readers the Ijaw culture practiced by Ndokis.
For the statement in bold, I want you to tell me where you mean by Ibani land.
As for number, Igbos had outnumbered Ibanis in Bonny since over 200yrs ago. This is because both Ndoki Igbos and other Igbos both slaves and free where in Bonny for a long time trading consumables that Bonny couldn't produce. This was even before palm oil trade started. Mind you that Ndokis never saw themselves as Igbos at that time nor did the Ibanis see themselves as Ijaws. It was just independent groups coming together to conduct business and relate together. Igbo language dominated because the sheer number of Igbo related groups cemented the Igbo language there[/s].

Eastlink:
Crap. Thank me for thriving this to the dustbin. Find something reasonable to do with your time rather than spilling arguments that you can't back up.

JANK23H:

Na wa!
This will be my last response to you or anyone else on this thread.Not ones in my argument did I mention Ndoki and their "Ijawness". Personally,I have no business with them.Take your argument to Prof. Jaja who wrote that publication.

The essence of that screenshot was to prove Ibani's connection to Ijaws to your tribes man who was arguing blindly, and the reason why he would call them Igbos because most of them speak the language as against their native tongue.

All that your plenty talk is beyond the scope of our earlier back and forth before you jumped in.

JANK23H:

Na wa!
This will be my last response to you or anyone else on this thread.Not ones in my argument did I mention Ndoki and their "Ijawness". Personally,I have no business with them.Take your argument to Prof. Jaja who wrote that publication.

The essence of that screenshot was to prove Ibani's connection to Ijaws to your tribes man who was arguing blindly, and the reason why he would call them Igbos because most of them speak the language as against their native tongue.

All that your plenty talk is beyond the scope of our earlier back and forth before you jumped in.

Ofodirinwa:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQa7jUozajE

Found a man trying to teach Isoko on Youtube

So far I've learned

1. Ere - Eating
2. Enve - Monkey
3. Anye - Women
4. Omu - Child

kmcutez:


The best for all is for Bonny and Opobo to go back to speaking their Ibani language and drop the others so there will be no conflict of interest.

LordKushmann:
These are all Igbo cognatees..

BKayy:

Seems like both of them are acting.
Trying to manufacture one mythical "Ibani" people

Eastlink:
Crap. Thank me for throwing this into the dustbin. Find something reasonable to do with your time rather than spilling arguments that you can't back up. Maybe you need to listen to Bkkay your friend and allow men deal with issues like this.

kmcutez:


The best for all is for Bonny and Opobo to go back to speaking their Ibani language and drop the others so there will be no conflict of interest.

Ariani:


This is nonsense!

Mother is not Iye or Aye in Igbo. It's Nne!

It's also stupid to separate Igbo from IKa, as IKa as a language is part of the Igbo cluster.
What you call Igbo has cluster of dialects with minor differences.
Ika don't say Olise! And Olisa in Igbo has many dialectical variation depending on part of Igbo land, ranging from Olise, Orise to Orisa, and it has nothing to do with Yoruba Orisha.

And please no body in Bini bears Osadebe! That name is exclusively Igbo.

There are words Igbo share in common with Yoruba, but the ones you listed are not part of it.

BKayy:

Seems like both of them are acting.
Trying to manufacture one mythical "Ibani" people