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God And Science. by Originakalokalo(m): 12:14pm On Oct 29, 2021
There has always been a conflict between the believers of science and those who believe in God.

However, this conflict is not needed...

For instance, the Hebrew boys in the book of Daniel were regarded to be skillful in science.

“Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and

cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace,

and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.”
— Daniel 1:4 (KJV)


This shows that God gave them knowledge to observe, experiment and make conclusions.


Now,

God created the sun while science probed and explain it's principle of operation.

If the Sun will be self-sufficient and operate continuously, then it must function on a principle....

Explaining the principle of its operation does not remove the fact that it was created.

The same applies to the rain, sowing and reaping, seasons and weather. All these happen continuously and timely.

A child of God may believe in Science....he/she should however be aware of the danger of believing everything science says....

I will mention why......

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Re: God And Science. by Haynnie: 12:31pm On Oct 29, 2021
The truth is not far from us but we choose to live blindly by our preconceptions

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Re: God And Science. by alphaNomega: 12:41pm On Oct 29, 2021
Science does not need you to believe for it to be true or not, so you have to remove that "believers" of science part from your post.

For example, "The earth is not flat", whether you believe it or not, this statement is true.

Unlike some religious text that requires you to believe a snake was talking to a woman, or a donkey was speaking to a prophet.

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Re: God And Science. by budaatum: 12:44pm On Oct 29, 2021
Originakalokalo:
There has always been a conflict between the believers of science and those who believe in God.

I really hate when people use religious language to describe science!

Science, by its nature, is antibelief, because if you use your senses to ask and knock and seek, which is what science is, you would find it difficult to believe.

As for believing in God, perhaps the religious should try to understand the book they read so they can learn to use their senses, because, in the end, that is what the book teaches despite the numerous verses telling you to ignorantly believe. If not, Jesus would have stopped at "love the Lord your God", and he would have believed and not be crucified. He was after all crucified for not believing what those around him believed because he used his own senses (though I bet you'd likely argue he didn't).

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/6824706/what-mean-when-say-god#107161450

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Re: God And Science. by budaatum: 12:45pm On Oct 29, 2021
alphaNomega:
Science does not need you to believe for it to be true or not, so you have to remove that "believers" of science part from your post.

For example, "The earth is not flat", whether you believe it or not, this statement is true.

Thank you for getting that in before me.

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Re: God And Science. by budaatum: 12:50pm On Oct 29, 2021
Haynnie:
The truth is not far from us but we choose to live blindly by our preconceptions

Which is why the Scientist Jesus Christ is written to have said, "unless you become as a child", which means, abandon your preconceptions.

Unfortunately, those preconceptions are so engrained, having been fed to most from inside the womb and in their breast milk, that abandoning them is as difficult as threading a camel through a needles eye, but thankfully that does not mean it's impossible.

We Nigerians need to be taught to ask and knock and seek, which is the exact definition of science, instead of ignorantly believing our preconceptions.

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Re: God And Science. by budaatum: 12:56pm On Oct 29, 2021
alphaNomega:

Unlike some religious text that requires you to believe a snake was talking to a woman, or a donkey was speaking to a prophet.

The religious text does not require you to believe anything.

When a brain using being reads "a snake was talking to a woman, or a donkey was speaking to a prophet", the first thing that ought to spring to their mind is, how, then why. That, is science.
Re: God And Science. by Ever8090: 12:57pm On Oct 29, 2021
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Re: God And Science. by Workch: 2:53pm On Oct 29, 2021
Religion always trying hard to find common ground with science while science doesn’t care what religion has to say.

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Re: God And Science. by Ehiscotch(m): 3:06pm On Oct 29, 2021
I think atheist have a problem with believing in the interference of God in his set order or laws and believe in the absoluteness of certain laws until proven scientifically otherwise.

Thus, I believe most atheists are deist, sort of: they don't believe in a Sovereign God.
So God can't make a donkey talk or do anything outside "known laws" ; He must conform to human logic, reason and principles and anything outside that scope is inconceivable.

This Greek thinking of a God or gods in (within) creation is the only possibility for many atheists.

I must say that it takes a lot of belief to say that the world came from nothing or is self created.

While this doesn't even answer why we exist or why we have got life or to the purpose of our existence.
Re: God And Science. by Ehiscotch(m): 3:09pm On Oct 29, 2021
Workch:
Religion always trying hard to find common ground with science while science doesn’t care what religion has to say.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't many of the leading scientists in earlier centuries believers in God?

I'm sorry but this feels like a false dichotomy.

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Re: God And Science. by Workch: 3:19pm On Oct 29, 2021
Ehiscotch:


Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't many of the leading scientists in earlier centuries believers in God?

I'm sorry but this feels like a false dichotomy.
Give me list of scientific discoveries made as a result of religious practices?

Your religious background has nothing to do with your scientific career because it will be useless in that field. You cannot discover anything in science with by using your religious beliefs but science has the power to uncover a lot of anomalies in your beliefs and this is why religion is trying to find a common ground

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Re: God And Science. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:45pm On Oct 29, 2021
alphaNomega:

Science does not need you to believe for it to be true or not, so you have to remove that "believers" of science part from your post!.

For example, "The earth is not flat", whether you believe it or not, this statement is true.

Unlike some religious text that requires you to believe a snake was talking to a woman, or a donkey was speaking to a prophet.

The highlighted shows you don't understand science or let's just say you've been brainwashed by atheists, because to believe connotes trust and without trust the wright brothers who invented the aeroplane won't succeed.
They never heard or saw an object carrying people through the air yet they BELIEVE it's possible, so if you want to talk think deeply because believe simply means trusting that something is possible even when others around you can't see the possibilities! Hebrews 11:1 undecided

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Re: God And Science. by Originakalokalo(m): 4:12pm On Oct 29, 2021
alphaNomega:
Science does not need you to believe for it to be true or not, so you have to remove that "believers" of science part from your post.

For example, "The earth is not flat", whether you believe it or not, this statement is true.

Unlike some religious text that requires you to believe a snake was talking to a woman, or a donkey was speaking to a prophet.

What is the distance between the earth and Neptune?

4.37 billion km.

Are you sure?

Have you measured it yourself?

Oh....You trust science that it has to be correct.

This is faith!!!!

Do you know that Pluto was named a planet before?

Do you know that there are conflicting facts about COVID-19?

Do you know the number of deaths proposed to happen in Africa?

Is that really the same thing as we have seen?

Do you know that there hundreds of sicknesses that science does not know its cause?

Yes, there are facts.....some stuff has to be believed....that's Faith!!!

PS,

Ordinary COVID-19 has proven to anyone who cares to listen that science is not sufficient and does not have all the answers.

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Re: God And Science. by Originakalokalo(m): 4:33pm On Oct 29, 2021
Originakalokalo:
There has always been a conflict between the believers of science and those who believe in God.

However, this conflict is not needed...

For instance, the Hebrew boys in the book of Daniel were regarded to be skillful in science.

“Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and

cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace,

and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.”
— Daniel 1:4 (KJV)


This shows that God gave them knowledge to observe, experiment and make conclusions.


Now,

God created the sun while science probed and explain it's principle of operation.

If the Sun will be self-sufficient and operate continuously, then it must function on a principle....

Explaining the principle of its operation does not remove the fact that it was created.

The same applies to the rain, sowing and reaping, seasons and weather. All these happen continuously and timely.

A child of God may believe in Science....he/she should however be aware of the danger of believing everything science says....

I will mention why......



These are why.....

1. A woman was told by science that she could never had a child because there was no womb...It was damaged.

She conceived and had a child.

God acts in situations to show that science is not sufficient.

As a child of God, you need to believe his words more than what science has to say concerning your situation.


Eg. Science projected millions to die in Africa as a result of COVID-19.

God however came through for Africa... especially Nigeria.


2. The bible warned the children of God that there will be signs from heaven at the coming of Christ....

When these signs happen, Science will explain them away using natural principles and other methods....

A child of God who is not aware of this trick will see the master coming all of a sudden!!!! because he simply did not pay attention to the signs....

This is the bomb:

After rapture, the devil already has what he will use to explain rapture away.

Wait for it.....

UFOS.

Science will just explain that people are missing all over the world because UFOS or Aliens took them away!!!

The fight of amargedon will be perceived to be the fight again extraterrestrial begins, or UFOs or Aliens.


This is the deception that will be used!!!

It is already in place!!!!

Child of God, the devil is Smart.

He cannot be smarter than his Creator.

Watch and pray!!!
Re: God And Science. by Originakalokalo(m): 4:41pm On Oct 29, 2021
budaatum:


I really hate when people use religious language to describe science!

Science, by its nature, is antibelief, because if you use your senses to ask and knock and seek, which is what science is, you would find it difficult to believe.

As for believing in God, perhaps the religious should try to understand the book they read so they can learn to use their senses, because, in the end, that is what the book teaches despite the numerous verses telling you to ignorantly believe. If not, Jesus would have stopped at "love the Lord your God", and he would have believed and not be crucified. He was after all crucified for not believing what those around him believed because he used his own senses (though I bet you'd likely argue he didn't).

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/6824706/what-mean-when-say-god#107161450

What is the distance between the earth and Neptune?

4.37 billion km.

Are you sure?

Have you measured it yourself?

Oh....You trust science that it has to be correct.

This is faith!!!!

Do you know that Pluto was named a planet before?

Do you know that there are conflicting facts about COVID-19?

Do you know the number of deaths proposed to happen in Africa?

Is that really the same thing as we have seen?

Do you know that there hundreds of sicknesses that science does not know its cause?

Yes, there are facts.....some stuff has to be believed....that's Faith!!!

PS,

Ordinary COVID-19 has proven to anyone who cares to listen that science is not sufficient and does not have all the answers.
Re: God And Science. by Originakalokalo(m): 4:42pm On Oct 29, 2021
Haynnie:
The truth is not far from us but we choose to live blindly by our preconceptions

These are why.....

1. A woman was told by science that she could never had a child because there was no womb...It was damaged.

She conceived and had a child.

God acts in situations to show that science is not sufficient.

As a child of God, you need to believe his words more than what science has to say concerning your situation.


Eg. Science projected millions to die in Africa as a result of COVID-19.

God however came through for Africa... especially Nigeria.


2. The bible warned the children of God that there will be signs from heaven at the coming of Christ....

When these signs happen, Science will explain them away using natural principles and other methods....

A child of God who is not aware of this trick will see the master coming all of a sudden!!!! because he simply did not pay attention to the signs....

This is the bomb:

After rapture, the devil already has what he will use to explain rapture away.

Wait for it.....

UFOS.

Science will just explain that people are missing all over the world because UFOS or Aliens took them away!!!

The fight of amargedon will be perceived to be the fight again extraterrestrial begins, or UFOs or Aliens.


This is the deception that will be used!!!

It is already in place!!!!

Child of God, the devil is Smart.

He cannot be smarter than his Creator.

Watch and pray!!!
Re: God And Science. by budaatum: 5:41pm On Oct 29, 2021
Originakalokalo:


What is the distance between the earth and Neptune?
4.37 billion km.
Are you sure?
Have you measured it yourself?

Its amusing that you make claims and then make them seem they are mine.

Science does not claim to know it all and that's the beauty of it. It means you keep on seeking and asking and knocking, knowing learning is life long.
Re: God And Science. by budaatum: 5:45pm On Oct 29, 2021
MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted shows you don't understand science or let's just say you've been brainwashed by atheists, because to believe connotes trust and without trust the wright brothers who invented the aeroplane won't succeed.
They never heard or saw an object carrying people through the air yet they BELIEVE it's possible, ......

And then they tested their beliefs to see if what they believed was true or not. And voila, the aeroplane, after much asking and knocking and seeking.

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Re: God And Science. by hupernikao: 6:57pm On Oct 29, 2021
alphaNomega:
Science does not need you to believe for it to be true or not, so you have to remove that "believers" of science part from your post.

For example, "The earth is not flat", whether you believe it or not, this statement is true.

Unlike some religious text that requires you to believe a snake was talking to a woman, or a donkey was speaking to a prophet.

Which of the text told you to believe a snake talking to a woman? Which? If this is what you were taught, you have been sold a dummy and your conviction outside the texts today is based on erroneous teaching you were made to believe. Hence, what you hold today as true, is most likely not true.
Re: God And Science. by Originakalokalo(m): 9:48pm On Oct 29, 2021
Be warned.

Watch out for the signs of end time and pray to be ready when the master comes.

God bless you.
Re: God And Science. by alphaNomega: 8:05am On Oct 30, 2021
hupernikao:


Which of the text told you to believe a snake talking to a woman? Which? If this is what you were taught, you have been sold a dummy and your conviction outside the texts today is based on erroneous teaching you were made to believe. Hence, what you hold today as true, is most likely not true.

Genesis 3
King James Version
3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


Your post shows me you don't read your Bible, you wake up every Sunday, put on your best clothes, go to church and press phone or fall asleep.

Now your assignment, read Numbers 22:21-39 for your Bible story of a talking donkey.
Re: God And Science. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:20am On Oct 30, 2021
alphaNomega:


4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:.

And so when we say you are "Crooked" man, it means a man has crooked lines or is bending this way and that way? therefore, he is not straight?
Therefore, would you think to say a man is like a snake?

Or when we say, "he is a breath of fresh air" it means breeze blew?
Re: God And Science. by alphaNomega: 8:26am On Oct 30, 2021
Originakalokalo:


What is the distance between the earth and Neptune?

4.37 billion km.

Are you sure?

Have you measured it yourself?

Oh....You trust science that it has to be correct.

This is faith!!!!

Do you know that Pluto was named a planet before?

Do you know that there are conflicting facts about COVID-19?

Do you know the number of deaths proposed to happen in Africa?

Is that really the same thing as we have seen?

Do you know that there hundreds of sicknesses that science does not know its cause?

Yes, there are facts.....some stuff has to be believed....that's Faith!!!

PS,

Ordinary COVID-19 has proven to anyone who cares to listen that science is not sufficient and does not have all the answers.

There are calculations you can use to measure the distance, size and composition of stars and planets while standing on earth. The simplest way I can break it down for you is by the study of wavelength from the light they emit.

Science does not need your belief or trust to be true.

COVID-19 which you called ordinary has revealed the fraud your so-called men of God are. Imagine one of them saying the vaccine is the mark of the beast, another one linking COVID-19 to 5G, shebi a different one of your MOGs has finally said he would take the vaccine (after preaching against it all through the peak of pandemic) as he realized no international flight would admit him without evidence of COVID-19 vaccination. Werey said he does not want anything to stop him from traveling and spreading the gospel... Yeye dey smell

The classification of Pluto as a planet had to be changed because there were other bodies larger than it within the same orbital path and they would have to be recognised as planets bring the total number of planets in our solar system to well over 21! They have been reclassified as trans-neptunian objects (TNOs)

The conflicting facts about COVID-19 abound for a variety of reasons, one of which it being a novel disease, a lot of VERIFIABLE information had not been acquired, secondly charlatans like your MOG used that opportunity to further their end time gospel in order to fleece you of your hard earned money. I will stop at these two reasons for now.

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Re: God And Science. by alphaNomega: 8:30am On Oct 30, 2021
budaatum:


Thank you for getting that in before me.
You're welcome my dear friend

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Re: God And Science. by Ehiscotch(m): 8:37am On Oct 30, 2021
Workch:
Give me list of scientific discoveries made as a result of religious practices?

Your religious background has nothing to do with your scientific career because it will be useless in that field. You cannot discover anything in science with by using your religious beliefs but science has the power to uncover a lot of anomalies in your beliefs and this is why religion is trying to find a common ground

The fact that believed that a Sovereign, Almighty God created the universe and exists independently outside it made them to believe that there was order and laws and principles guiding the universe and it wasn't just random matter coming together by chance.

This influenced their thoughts and there are books abound about it.
Re: God And Science. by alphaNomega: 8:38am On Oct 30, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


And so when we say you are "Crooked" man, it means a man has crooked lines or is bending this way and that way? therefore, he is not straight?
Therefore, would you think to say a man is like a snake?

Or when we say, "he is a breath of fresh air" it means breeze blew?

You are not making any sense

But let me try if we are on the same page,

About what you wrote, have you heard of figure of speech?
A figure of speech is a word or phrase that possesses a separate meaning from its literal definition
Now this is pure English language, no science, no religion.

Your Bible clearly wrote a serpent was talking to a woman, unless you are saying it is a figure of speech.

If yes, then the story has another meaning which could be anything depending on who is reading it, because the Bible made no effort to state what it means by a serpent was talking to a woman.

If no, then the story is a lie because you and me know that snakes cannot talk.
Re: God And Science. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:47am On Oct 30, 2021
alphaNomega:

The classification of Pluto as a planet had to be changed because there were other bodies larger than it within the same orbital path and they would have to be recognised as planets bring the total number of planets in our solar system to well over 21!

I remember I had a problem with this declassification!

Why would Pluto be disqualified because of new sightings? It's like declassifying a bicycle from being a vehicle simply because electric cars have been made.

This was totally unnecessary.

But I understand what they are codedly doing. They are sublimely telling you people that they are gods over you. And indeed, the people look up to them as gods.

And Anything they say, True or Not will be acceptable by you people.

Which is why they spoke "God does not exist" and now people are stupidly chanting like minions, ""God does not exist", "God does not exist", "God does not exist".

Now they have spoken "transgender, non gender, gender X" now you people have begun chanting "transgender, non gender, gender X".

Kai! Definition of Soul Control!

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Re: God And Science. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:48am On Oct 30, 2021
alphaNomega:


You are not making any sense

But let me try if we are on the same page,

About what you wrote, have you heard of figure of speech?
A figure of speech is a word or phrase that possesses a separate meaning from its literal definition
Now this is pure English language, no science, no religion.

That's my sense and you indeed got it! grin

So moving along, do you mean to say that the Bible does not have a right to employ figures of speech?
Re: God And Science. by alphaNomega: 8:53am On Oct 30, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


I remember I had a problem with this declassification!

Why would Pluto be disqualified because of new sightings? It's like declassifying a bicycle from being a vehicle simply because electric cars have been made.

This was totally unnecessary.

But I understand what they are codedly doing. They are sublimely telling you people that they are gods over you. And indeed, the people look up to them as gods.

And Anything they say, True or Not will be acceptable by you people.

Which is why they spoke "God does not exist" and now people are stupidly chanting like minions, ""God does not exist", "God does not exist", "God does not exist".

Now they have spoken "transgender, non gender, gender X" now you people have begun chanting "transgender, non gender, gender X".

Kai! Definition of Soul Control!

Because science, over the years, has been trying to make life simple and better for humanity. Which is easier to remember? And 8 planet solar system or a 21+ planet solar systems?

Everything science has done is to make life easier, from the way we gather and preserve our food, and health to the way we communicate. It has been getting easier over time, thanks to scientific breakthroughs.

Religion, does the opposite. Enforces Draconian laws to keep human beings subdued and oppressed. Deny them the ability to think and make progress. Look at Boko haram, a group that originated from a desire to stop innovation.
Re: God And Science. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:57am On Oct 30, 2021
alphaNomega:


Because science, over the years, has been trying to make life simple and better for humanity. Which is easier to remember? And 8 planet solar system or a 21+ planet solar systems?

grin The periodic table is more than 21, languages are more than 21, cars, phones, football clubs are all more than 21.

And we kind of remember them all. And Life, is still Life.

Like I said, they are just trying to control the peoples of the earth and indeed, they do control them.

alphaNomega:

Religion, does the opposite. Enforces Draconian laws to keep human beings subdued and oppressed. Deny them the ability to think and make progress. Look at Boko haram, a group that originated from a desire to stop innovation.

First, God and not the regular doings of men called religion made Great Good Laws which Gave us Every Good Thing man Wanted and Needed.

But because the enforcement of these Laws was put in men, evil men hijacked it and have changed the Laws into their own evil oppressive laws.

And this is because you people truly like evil and draconian laws and Not God's Laws of Equity, Fairness and Justice.

So it is unfair (as I said, you people prefer unfairness and you are only complaining because it is against you) for you to ascribe to God a problem that is of your own making.
Re: God And Science. by alphaNomega: 9:24am On Oct 30, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


That's my sense and you indeed got it! grin

So moving along, do you mean to say that the Bible does not have a right to employ figures of speech?
No. It should not. Does your phone or generator user manual use figure of speech when guiding on how to safely use it?

A book that supposedly guides human beings as we interact among ourselves should not use figures of speech without clearly explaining what it means

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