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Re: God And Science. by LordReed(m): 9:29am On Nov 04, 2021 |
Originakalokalo: This is not what I asked. I repeat what is the evidence you can present that indicates that a god created anything. |
Re: God And Science. by Originakalokalo(m): 10:24am On Nov 04, 2021 |
LordReed: My belief and experience are my evidence. Thank God I can't share this with you...its mine and mine alone. Peace. 1 Like |
Re: God And Science. by LordReed(m): 10:35am On Nov 04, 2021 |
Originakalokalo: And you wanted to compare it with science, how did you think that would turn out? |
Re: God And Science. by Originakalokalo(m): 1:21pm On Nov 04, 2021 |
LordReed: Read my first post on this thread. I did not compare God and Science. I stated that God gave the Hebrew boys knowledge of Science....That's why they Excel in Babylon... God is God. He is a creator who gave his people the knowledge to probe, observe and draw inferences. I also warned the children of God on taking scientific statements in their lives as all in all... I mentioned that God acts alone. He can choose to show up in situations and defile science. Miracles in themselves defile science. I am not comparing mere methods to the Almighty himself. This the reason for this thread. |
Re: God And Science. by budaatum: 3:19pm On Nov 04, 2021 |
Your opinion will matter only after you've actually read the book. Only the ignorant will bother to converse with you about a book you have not bothered to research. alphaNomega: |
Re: God And Science. by budaatum: 3:51pm On Nov 04, 2021 |
Originakalokalo: Unfortunately, as soon as you said "believers of science" you set a red flag for bulls. Science is antibelief. And anyone who believes science is treating it like a religion, which it isn't. What's sad is science is taught like a religion in Nigeria, and that's why we invent very little. Science is ask and seek and knock with all your heart and soul and mind and being until you actually know, instead of ignorantly believing what you are religiously told. Genesis 1 is simply very primitive superseded science. Believing it is like believing pre Copernican science, or pre Ptolemy. Originakalokalo: |
Re: God And Science. by IMAliyu(m): 4:01pm On Nov 04, 2021 |
alphaNomega:I don't think this was done to simply to make it easier for people to remember. As words used in science have a very specific definitions, Pluto did not fall under that definition of "planet" completely. There are 3 criteria for a body to be considered a planet 1. It is in orbit around the Sun. 2. It has sufficient mass to assume hydrostatic equilibrium (a nearly round shape). 3. It has “cleared the neighborhood” around its orbit, (of planetesimals) Pluto was too small to have done no. 3 So it had to be reclassified as a "dwarf planet". Sorry this isn't directed at you specifically, this is for people who would use their misunderstanding of science to push some agenda, or for those who are just simply curious. |
Re: God And Science. by alphaNomega: 6:43am On Nov 05, 2021 |
IMAliyu:I made reference to point 3 while trying to explain for the other guy, I wrote that other bodies were found within the same orbit as Pluto |
Re: God And Science. by alphaNomega: 6:45am On Nov 05, 2021 |
budaatum:I have done that and realised the book is fake |
Re: God And Science. by Ehiscotch(m): 11:32am On Nov 06, 2021 |
LordReed: What do you mean by "anything"? |
Re: God And Science. by LordReed(m): 11:35am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Ehiscotch: A universe in which there are no rules to limit possibilities unlike our current one. |
Re: God And Science. by Ehiscotch(m): 11:43am On Nov 06, 2021 |
LordReed: Are all laws governing the universe really absolute? |
Re: God And Science. by LordReed(m): 12:40pm On Nov 06, 2021 |
Ehiscotch: Well we haven't seen anything that doesn't operate following the physical laws of the universe. |
Re: God And Science. by Ehiscotch(m): 6:33pm On Nov 08, 2021 |
LordReed: So you'd rather prefer a universe in a state of Flux - constantly changing? |
Re: God And Science. by LordReed(m): 9:23pm On Nov 08, 2021 |
Ehiscotch: That is a strange question since I can't do anything about the nature of the universe. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: God And Science. by budaatum: 4:17pm On Nov 09, 2021 |
Ehiscotch: Change "universe", to 'me', or rather, 'yourself'. Would you rather not prefer yourself in a state of Flux - constantly changing? The reason I ask is I am personally glad that the universe is in a "state of Flux - constantly changing". It's called growth - think tree, and baby; and evolution, if you think in thousands and thousands and thousands of years. I'd have hated a world of 'as it was in the beginning'. An eye for an eye makes me shudder! |
Re: God And Science. by Ehiscotch(m): 10:16pm On Nov 09, 2021 |
LordReed: Isn't it rather strange that we can "question" the way the universe is but can't really do anything to change it? |
Re: God And Science. by LordReed(m): 10:35pm On Nov 09, 2021 |
Ehiscotch: I don't question the way it is, I accept the way it is which is why I don't believe in fairytales of gods able to exist in direct opposition to the physical laws of the universe. |
Re: God And Science. by Ehiscotch(m): 10:37pm On Nov 09, 2021 |
budaatum: The phrase "anything can happen" — as used by Lordreed— is relative; there are really no boundaries and I can assume that just anything – A Lion becoming herbivorous or a human laying eggs — can happen. You see my concern is regarding the "laws of the universe" not the universe itself. The change you are referring to isn't something new; it is constant. All seem to be like a cycle that has existed forever: a baby grows to become an adult; a seed a tree, etc. There really, like the philosopher in Ecclesiastes says, isn't something "new" under the sun. It just seem like a recombination of things to create something "new". That's why, I think, the words "discovered" or "find" is aptly used in many fields. Besides, what is your issue with an "eye for an eye"? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: God And Science. by Ehiscotch(m): 10:40pm On Nov 09, 2021 |
LordReed: So a creator should not exist outside his creation? |
Re: God And Science. by Nothingserious: 10:48pm On Nov 09, 2021 |
LordReed: The last time we checked, the universe was God’s and not yours. Possibly you can ask all the whys because you are at best attempting through naturalistic methodology to understand the world made by God. So in a bid to understand the universe, you will think the universe would have been better if it turned out differently. I would like to think that you cannot box God into your finite facility to fit into your imaginations. Rather, we humans will need to understand the universe around us to appreciate God’s design. And that is what science is doing, albeit trial and errors. |
Re: God And Science. by Nothingserious: 10:51pm On Nov 09, 2021 |
budaatum: Science works on beliefs and is not anti-belief. Why do you think Genesis 1 is primitive? |
Re: God And Science. by Ehiscotch(m): 10:54pm On Nov 09, 2021 |
Nothingserious: He mistakes simple for primitive. 1 Like |
Re: God And Science. by Nothingserious: 10:55pm On Nov 09, 2021 |
Originakalokalo: God and science aren’t alternatives. There are more conflicts between science and atheism than there are between theism and science. Like you said, science only attempts to investigate and understand the universe using laws made by God. Science never made a claim about creating anything. It only attempts to interpret what it thinks already existed in the universe. This is why it doesn’t have answers to the origin questions. 1 Like |
Re: God And Science. by LordReed(m): 11:02pm On Nov 09, 2021 |
Ehiscotch: What does that even mean? |
Re: God And Science. by Ehiscotch(m): 11:06pm On Nov 09, 2021 |
LordReed: Maybe I didn't get you. What did you mean by "...of gods being able to exist in direct opposition to the physical laws of..."? |
Re: God And Science. by LordReed(m): 11:20pm On Nov 09, 2021 |
Ehiscotch: Oh you got me there. What I mean by my question is such a concept as you propose is incoherent. You're asking if à being can exist outside of existence, that is not a coherent proposition in my view. |
Re: God And Science. by LordReed(m): 11:24pm On Nov 09, 2021 |
Nothingserious: Last time I checked there no label on the universe saying "Made by god". Sure I can think the universe could have been better. As long as we talking about imaginary beings with imaginary universe building powers, any speculation is welcome. If I can't neither can you so where do you get off telling me about this god? |
Re: God And Science. by Nothingserious: 11:28pm On Nov 09, 2021 |
LordReed: Because you questioned the laws and principles in a world made by God. If you come up with imaginations about how you would have made YOUR own world, I wouldn’t have bothered you. Why are you not following your logic? |
Re: God And Science. by LordReed(m): 11:40pm On Nov 09, 2021 |
Nothingserious: I have no reason to think this universe was made by a god. What bothers you about what I imagine doesn't concern me so feel free to be bothered. That question is better suited for you. |
Re: God And Science. by Originakalokalo(m): 5:15am On Nov 10, 2021 |
Nothingserious: Well said. 1 Like |
Re: God And Science. by Nothingserious: 8:27am On Nov 10, 2021 |
Originakalokalo: Thanks. Anyone comparing God and science is committing category error as there are no basis for the comparisons. Science never made a claim to have created anything. Theists make a claim that God created all things. Science only comes into debating on things that had been created. Say law of gravity. Science doesn’t know how it came to be. But science has tried to investigate how it operates and how the law affects the universe. Religion mixed with science causes bad religion and bad science or perhaps meta-science which really isn’t science. |
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