backbencher:


I doubt the youth working at his factory are uneducated. They probably have some form of certification which enables them to work there.

Plus management, research, even floor supervision requires at the very least a diploma. Car manufacturing is a specialist profession. I suspect most people working there are educated at least at SSCE level...to understand instructions centered around car manufacturing. or have something called 'guild qualifications'(those with SSCE may have a credit in automechanics...which is offered as an SSCE subject in some schools).

And as the company grows, he would need more and more educated people working there

Plus, I don;t regard an uneducated man paying educated people a salary as an anomaly. innoson may be uneducated, but he is not unintelligent.Uneducated people can create jobs just as well as the educated. Being uneducated does not mean unintelligent or uncreative.

I love the way you state your points and fact without being rude. I hope others learn.

babyfaceafrica:
These are mere speculations and not backed by facts. Anything to make Nigerians look back sha

Speculations? Lol. Which of my claims are Speculations?

A ttypical exam of ''A prophet is not known in his hometown''.

NewDelhi:

Who told you Nigerians perform better abroad? Have you met the Indians or Chinese.

Nigerians perform better not better than students from other country. Isn't that simple enough?

Card7:


I love the way you state your points and fact without being rude. I hope others learn.

Thank you. I try. But I am not perfect though ( I have a very foul temper).

But I always remember that there is someone behind the monicker who might get hurt if I start unleashing.

NoApology:
So one of my uncles that is based overseas is billed to come home this Xmas, as such a lot of cleaning and fumigation has been going on in his house in readiness for his come back.

I went this morning to supervise the work going on there. I went inside of the stores by the car house and saw this old metal cabinet and I decided to check what's inside. Lo and behold, I found in the midst of old paper files and debris my uncle's Nigerian certificates! Omo!

Rats has eaten some portions of the certificates. I scanned through and discovered that he was,by his Nigerian qualifications, below average. This is the same man that is an internationally sort after lawyer both in the country and overseas where he resides.

This got me wondering with so many questions on my mind:
1. Are certificates really overrated?

2. Does it really come a time in our lives (apart from death) when our certificates becomes irrelevant?

3. Is it not obsolete to measure ones intelligence based on exam performances? ( My uncle would have been jobless or better still a charge and bail lawyer at best going by his academic performance)

4. And why do Nigerians perform better in almost everything when the leave this country? Are we too stringent or is a reflection of our flawed system?

Has to be our system.

A MD friend who struggled in his own words academically in Nigeria infact he had an extra year in the Med school said the same thing, the academic system in 9ja is so so flawed. As I write, he has two masters and should be done with his Phd in public health in the US.

Question is will even the brightest mind(s) in his class who are still in Nigeria compete with him in any level in a few years ? Highly unlikely.

As an aside pls I'd follow you can you ask your uncle for me (as a lawyer) how he was able to integrate into the western system without his Nigerian qualifications, seeing that you have snapped the originals of them. You could give me a reply in January of next year ? Deal ?

OkCornel:
The older you get, soft skills such as communication, leadership, empathy, emotional intelligence, project management, business development (ability to spot opportunities, sell your skill sets to close on these opportunities) etc are much more relevant than the technical skills you’re expected to gain mastery of in your youthful days.

In summary, soft skills trump certificates and qualifications as you advance in your career…

I graduated some fifteen years ago and I'm now seeing this play out in my advancement,something our young graduates may not agree with but can only realize with time

Certificate is not the true knowledge of human being. I know of a classmate who bribe his way from 100 level up till final years just to make 2.1 (Second class upper) because his uncle promise to get him job in one of the top commercial banks in Nigeria if he can graduate with such grade. I ensure I work hard, read well to make 2.2

NoApology:
So one of my uncles that is based overseas is billed to come home this Xmas, as such a lot of cleaning and fumigation has been going on in his house in readiness for his come back.

I went this morning to supervise the work going on there. I went inside of the stores by the car house and saw this old metal cabinet and I decided to check what's inside. Lo and behold, I found in the midst of old paper files and debris my uncle's Nigerian certificates! Omo!

Rats has eaten some portions of the certificates. I scanned through and discovered that he was,by his Nigerian qualifications, below average. This is the same man that is an internationally sort after lawyer both in the country and overseas where he resides.

This got me wondering with so many questions on my mind:
1. Are certificates really overrated?

2. Does it really come a time in our lives (apart from death) when our certificates becomes irrelevant?

3. Is it not obsolete to measure ones intelligence based on exam performances? ( My uncle would have been jobless or better still a charge and bail lawyer at best going by his academic performance)

4. And why do Nigerians perform better in almost everything when the leave this country? Are we too stringent or is a reflection of our flawed system?

If your Uncle were to remain in Nigeria by now he would have been a SAN or at least a big time lawyer having alot of influence in this country.Most of his mates' name now rings a bell in this country and are mostly very very successful irrespective of their fields of endeavors

In Nigeria and many parts of the world, certificates speak for you .
Even with your experience, with certification u will earn low in particular in IT.

LordofNaija:
Chinedu you came online to upload my certificates. Just pack your things and move out of my house before I get back

Oga. He even has the effrontery to call you a below average student. I don’t know what he has been smoking. Absolute disrespect

Techguy96:

The bold is not true sha, starting up a company is not easy n requires lots of capital, especially a manufacturing company.

I can bet u that 98 percent of Nigerians don't have such luxury.

the issue is not just starting up just any company. While the capital to start a manufacturing company can be huge but considering the ideas most of the supposed billionaires has, you will agree that some filling stations,bars, hotels worth in Lagos and Abuja can actually start a manufacturing company.
Many Nigerians might not have the luxury but the few that has, what sort of businesses do they start? That's the question bro.
Nigerians are not that creative and that's why we still import everything. We always want our capital to return in 6 months. The Versace,Armani, Microsoft etc start from the bottom. The Samsung,infinix, iPhone, Tecno we depends on actually were creative ideas of some people and believe me those companies did not start with billions. Imagine we don't have to import our Phones, TVs, computers and so on, our economy might not be depending on foreign currency.


It's well Sha

tolaade1960:
In Nigeria and many parts of the world, certificates speak for you .
Even with your experience, with certification u will earn low in particular in IT.

Low?

What is now the essence of the certificate?

At his age those credentials are not relevant to him he graduated in 1982 served in 1983 all his university mates are currently retried and he can’t look for employment with those credential unless if he want join politics or looking for political appointment. The elder had gotten the maximum benefit of his certificates

Fahdiga:
In Nigeria it is about the certificate but overseas it is about what you can offer

Ayo081:


Nigerians perform better not better than students from other country. Isn't that simple enough?

Oponu nie . Who dey talk about students here.?

Even one of my lecturers used to tell us that academia is not a true test of intelligence and we would hardly use anything we learn at school in the real world. Our system is just set up in a way whereby those with academic qualifications are given priority in the labor market over people with vocational skills which might actually be more transferable and useful to the economy.

I mean I personally respect someone with in-depth practical knowledge on automobiles and how to fix a vehicle more than someone with a degree in gender studies or something silly like that.

One good thing about school though is that it teaches you a certain level of discipline. Because it takes a lot of discipline and determination to complete a 4 year degree. And some people do it under very difficult circumstances.

NewDelhi:

Who told you Nigerians perform better abroad? Have you met the Indians or Chinese.

The comparison was related to Nigerians in Nigeria. Not other Nationalities

You have only reasoned and comprehended like a Nigerian in Nigeria.

You get the point now??

You are daft! Not because you are actually but your Nigerian environment made it so

Fahdiga:
In Nigeria it is about the certificate but overseas it is about what you can offer

Well, certificates also gives you entry abroad o! People see you before they hear you.

Certificates make you seen.

Massiveglory:
The Nysc Number can easily give away your uncle's identity. Get that blurred also.

I don't think the uncle has anything to hide. In fact the certificate add credence to his being hardworking - imagine, 3rd class graduate now internationally sought after.

deepwater:


The comparison was related to Nigerians in Nigeria. Not other Nationalities

You have only reasoned and comprehended like a Nigerian in Nigeria.

You get the point now??

You are daft! Not because you are actually but your Nigerian environment made it so

It's the mother that gave birth to you that is daft not me.. I'm not the cause of your misfortune and frustrations in life okay? Neither am I the reason your life is not going as planned. So go look for your mates to exchange words with not your superiors.

backbencher:


Well, Chinese are one billion, as are Indians.

Chinese also have millions of people in the diaspora...as do the indians

So they would most likely have more people who make it than Nigeria does, with our 200 million people.

It doesn't mean they are better than us, it is just a numbers thing.

Good thinking.

NoApology:


Thanks for your keen eyes. Done that already

Shade d names more i can read some.

LordofNaija:
Chinedu you came online to upload my certificates. Just pack your things and move out of my house before I get back

What made you leave your certificate in d zoo @ d messy of rats?

I can't phantom the reason why you decide to post the credentials of your uncle online and that's infringement on his privacy. Even if you have blurred the name , that doesn't still make sense and the world is a global village so you never can tell your uncle can log it nairaland and even see those things you uploaded or don't you know that Nigerians outside are also aware of nairaland.

Fahdiga:
In Nigeria it is about the certificate but overseas it is about what you can offer

If he is a sort after lawyer he doesn't need that shit, just read up loads of books, article numbers on the justice system in the country he lives (any country even in nigeria) your human rights and civil rights. You can defend yourself in court, ordinary people do it all the time. One can also train to be a lawyer, most times lawyers do not need to appear in courts depending on the case they just write loads of letters copied from law books to here and there, they just follow the rules that has already been written in the law book That is all. It is not a big deal. I know!

So again i say he doesn' t need that shit to become a lawyer. Most lawyers i know are trained.

It's really dicey

I can't phantom the reason why you decide to post the credentials of your uncle online and that's infringement on his privacy. Even if you have blurred the name , that doesn't still make sense and the world is a global village so you never can tell your uncle can log it nairaland and even see those things you uploaded or don't you know that Nigerians outside are aware of nairaland. author=NoApology post=107764982]So one of my uncles that is based overseas is billed to come home this Xmas, as such a lot of cleaning and fumigation has been going on in his house in readiness for his come back.

I went this morning to supervise the work going on there. I went inside of the stores by the car house and saw this old metal cabinet and I decided to check what's inside. Lo and behold, I found in the midst of old paper files and debris my uncle's Nigerian certificates! Omo!

Rats has eaten some portions of the certificates. I scanned through and discovered that he was,by his Nigerian qualifications, below average. This is the same man that is an internationally sort after lawyer both in the country and overseas where he resides.

This got me wondering with so many questions on my mind:
1. Are certificates really overrated?

2. Does it really come a time in our lives (apart from death) when our certificates becomes irrelevant?

3. Is it not obsolete to measure ones intelligence based on exam performances? ( My uncle would have been jobless or better still a charge and bail lawyer at best going by his academic performance)

4. And why do Nigerians perform better in almost everything when the leave this country? Are we too stringent or is a reflection of our flawed system?[/quote]

GerogeI:



My guess is you are really young. Understand everything has a purpose.

Just like your WAEC or Jamb score determine where a d what you get to study. Your certificates determine which doors you can get your foots in to start your career. Ofcourse, there are exceptions, and a family with pedigree can pull strings for you. But how many people have those, and you do not exactly expect to land entry jobs with top employers with third class certificate. So, no certificates are not over rated.

However, after your first five years on the Job, which in this clime should be about your age 30 and above, Overseas, its 25 and above, then people no longer ask or care about what's on your certificate, as long as you have it and its genuine. Rather they care about what you have achieved in the first half decade of your work life. That immediately tells them what you can contribute to a their team. Your career achievement totally eclipse your class of certificate from their forward.

But do not be deceived, its harder to show relevant achievements than to show a certificate. Further down the lane, your network and connections become even more important. Especially as a senior manager, people will call you mainly because if who you know, who recommended you, What they said you accomplished, lastly for what you accomplished and most won't remember if you had a Bachelors degree cause what you are doing will likely be unrelated to classic theories taught in schools. They will care if you have an MBA though if its business they are running.

Hope this helps you get the perspective.

These small boys will not come and read this one, preferring to be shouting certificate is useless, certificate is useless....you make so much sense here Sir

NewDelhi:

It's the mother that gave birth to you that is daft not me.. I'm not the cause of your misfortune and frustrations in life okay? Neither am I the reason your life is not going as planned. So go look for your mates to exchange words with not your superiors.

You missed the point again


You are daft! Not because you are actually but your Nigerian environment made it so.


The above was not intended or directed to you, but only summarises what the OP was convening.

I couldn't have demeaned you in such manner without even knowing you.

Let me explain :

you are daft --- to obtain a 3rd class degree from the university of Nigeria

Not because you are actually but your Nigerian environment made it so ---- meaning the 3rd class guy made giant strides in his career the moment he left his Nigerian environment.

You get the point now ??

[quote author=Omihanifa post=107765346]It's an open secret that certificate in Nigeria Is not totally a measure of one's intelligence or capability.

[/quote
Truth

NewDelhi:
Who told you Nigerians perform better abroad? Have you met the Indians or Chinese.

Nigerians do just as well all things considered. besides it's not a comparison, it's just the way you've understood it.
do you know the population of India and China? and these are real numbers, not the bogus jamboree conducted in Nigeria called census.
you can't do checks by absolute numbers.