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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by Olu317(m): 5:53am On Dec 04, 2022
AreaFada2:

See this statement below:

"On my right sits the Oni of Ife;
On my left, the Leader of our Government,
Obafemi Awolowo.
The Voice of the West is complete".


This statement was made by Alake on January 7th 1952 at the Western House of Assembly. Alake, a very junior king behind Alafin, Ooni, Awujale, Olowo, even Timi of Ede, Soun of Oshogbo and Ewi of Ado-Ekiti if you look into history properly, dared to stand up to make such a reckless declaration. In Ibadan for that matter.

He totally ignored other monarchs present including Oba Akenzua and others from Delta Province who were also members of the House back then.

Oba Akenzua led non-Yoruba people to walk out of the Assembly. Momentum to split from Western Region gathered from that event. It was achieved in 1963 referendum.

Oba Erediauwa's father was key to creating Midwest and fought for it. Later Bendel to Edo and Delta.

You can understand Oba Erediauwa's passion to maintain unity among Edo. He witnessed that part of our history. We need to educate people about where we are coming. We shouldn't take what we have for granted.

Now times have changed. 9ja is far more disunited now than in 1996. FG might not even have granted a 7th SS state in 1996.
It's probably just about the right time now.
Just imaging your interpretation of what Alake said ? Hatred will not kill you Edo lying e warriors.

How is Alake Junior to Oloyo or Oba Bini ? In your falsehood, thought, military might is what makes a bonafide king greater than the other ?

Rather than posting gibberrish in this thread, it is advisable you post information on Pa Idu history,and not bring in views you do not have knowledge on because a king made statement on politics. Go learn and educate yourself .

Can Edo stand without Yoruba Race ? Can Oba Bini openly support disconnect between Yoruba ileife and his Kingdom ?

Seriously,your purpose on Culture Thread is quite questionable because you should this view of your on Politics thread.

I just wonder, reason you have not shed more light on Pa Idu as the pioneer man in your history . Hopefully, let us learn Edo historical information without controversy.

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by samuk: 7:36am On Dec 04, 2022
Olu317:
Just imaging your interpretation of what Alake said ? Hatred will not kill you Edo lying e warriors.

How is Alake Junior to Oloyo or Oba Bini ? In your falsehood, thought, military might is what makes a bonafide king greater than the other ?

Rather than posting gibberrish in this thread, it is advisable you post information on Pa Idu history,and not bring in views you do not have knowledge on because a king made statement on politics. Go learn and educate yourself .

Can Edo stand without Yoruba Race ? Can Oba Bini openly support disconnect between Yoruba ileife and his Kingdom ?

Seriously,your purpose on Culture Thread is quite questionable because you should this view of your on Politics thread.

I just wonder, reason you have not shed more light on Pa Idu as the pioneer man in your history . Hopefully, let us learn Edo historical information without controversy.

The bolded is an insult to Edo people, let me quickly take you down historical lane.

1. In pre colonial Nigeria, Edo as a stand alone kingdom/empire was the dominant force for centuries in what later become Nigeria.

2. Edo kingdom/empire stood for over 900 years until the British destroyed and forced her into the a creation of theirs....the Western Region of Nigeria.

3. Before this force marriage between the people of old Benin kingdom and yoruba nations, the Oba of Benin had no equal let alone a senior. Who was the Alake historically? The closest yoruba oba that was mentioned in the same book as the oba of Benin was the Alaafin, who the British met on ground as the king of the yoruba people in 1824. In that mention, the Alaafin informed the British that he has requested help from the Oba of Benin to send his military to come and help him the Alaafin to put down his rebellious neighbours.

4. When it became apparent in 1959 that the British was about to exit Nigeria, Oba of Benin and his people began to negotiate with the British to separate from the western region which they were forced into.

5. Awolowo who initially agreed to the separation pre independence, reneged after independence. The Oba of Benin had to pull all strings from both Eastern and northern regions and eventually got his people out of the western region in 1963.

6. The mid West remains the only region/state in Nigeria till date that was democratically created, others Before and after were created by fiat.

7. The Edo people are the ones that have consistently shown that their history have nothing to do with Yoruba history.

8. Finding ourselves in this contraption called Nigeria with so called majority tribes who know very little about good governance and organisational skills have dragged us backward. The old Benin kingdom was known worldwide for her organisational and artistic skills. Today what is Nigeria known for?

9. In the little time we were allowed to govern ourselves, Bendel became number one, many of us old enough still remember the days of up Bendel and Bendel number one with nostalgia.


Yes Edo can do without yoruba, it's yoruba that cannot do without Benin history.

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by BanyXchi: 8:27am On Dec 04, 2022
samuk:


The bolded is an insult to Edo people, let me quickly take you down historical lane.

1. In pre colonial Nigeria, Edo as a stand alone kingdom/empire was the dominant force for centuries in what will later become Nigeria.

2. Edo kingdom/empire stood for over 900 years until the British destroyed and forced her into the a creation of theirs....the Western Region of Nigeria.

3. Before this force marriage between the people of old Benin kingdom and yoruba nations, the Oba of Benin had no equal let alone a senior. Who was the Alake historically? The closest yoruba oba that was mentioned in the same book as the oba of Benin was the Alaafin, who the British met on ground as the king of the yoruba people in 1824. In that mention, the Alaafin informed the British that he has requested help from the Oba of Benin to send his military to come and help him the Alaafin to put down his rebellious neighbours.

4. When it became apparent in 1959 that the British was about to exit Nigeria, Oba of Benin and his people began to negotiate with the British to separate from the western region which they were forced into.

5. Awolowo who initially agreed to the separation pre independence, reneged after independence. The Oba of Benin had to pull all strings from both Eastern and northern regions and eventually got his people out of the western region in 1963.

6. The mid West remains the only region/state in Nigeria till date that was democratically created, others Before and after were created by fiat.

7. The Edo people are the ones that have consistently shown that their history have nothing to do with Yoruba history.

8. Finding ourselves in this contraption called Nigeria with so called majority tribes who know very little about good governance and organisational skills have dragged us backward. The old Benin kingdom was known worldwide for her organisational and artistic skills. Today what is Nigeria known for?

9. In the little time we were allowed to govern ourselves, Bendel became number one, many of us old enough still remember the days of up Bendel and Bendel number one with nostalgia.


Yes Edo can do without yoruba, it's yoruba that cannot do without Benin history.
I don't care about your delusions, I just hope the country disintegrate so we can go our separate ways.
Re: Fact About Pa Idu by BanyXchi: 8:32am On Dec 04, 2022
UGBE634:
The fg would have undeniably granted a seventh state for the south south, bear in mind that the second in command to Abacha who is equivalent to the vice president today was an Esan man in the person of Akhigbe.
Anenih might have thwarted this one because of the fact that the state capital lot did not fall on Esan people but rather the lot of the state governors which is Even rotational. But this is a different issue,

I am talking about Aikhomu that was the vice to Babangida. Eredieuwa did not allow the creation of local government which would have allowed these communities and their kings some form of independence and these towns some form of development. If not for what Eredieuwa did, there would have been strong population concentration in several towns rather than the strong congregation of Bini populace in Benin city as a residential area. He was however afraid that these kings in these towns with some form of independence and a separate local government would have enabled them to chart their course. That was his major concern. He wanted strong undiluted control over all Edo areas, however it has caused Edo major underdevelopment aside Benin city.

Look at Esan today, their five major towns are fairly developed and are inhabitable, same cannot be said for the Binis
what are the 5 major towns.
Re: Fact About Pa Idu by UGBE634: 8:44am On Dec 04, 2022
BanyXchi:
what are the 5 major towns.
Uromi, Ekpoma, Irrua, Igueben,Ubiaja

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by BanyXchi: 8:57am On Dec 04, 2022
samuk:


Oredo is not the only local government area in Edo south, what is holding the rest back. Like I said before Benin city will always be a huge magnet for Benin people and others, irrespective of how many local government areas you create out of Edo south Benin city will continue to be a huge cultural centre for every Benin person and all want to live there if they can afford it. There are numerous Benin diaspora from various local government that can develop their local communities but instead choose Benin City.

I don't know how well you know Benin 30 years ago, Benin city in the last thirty years have almost double in size and this is mostly because numerous Benin people in diaspora have become rich and pouring resources into the centre of their culture. A Benin person who can afford it will rather build a house in Benin city first before there local government, the same doesn't apply to other tribes.

It is Benin city first to the average Benin person irrespective of which local government he or she comes from. Esan, Urhobo, Afemai or Ika don't have such. A Benin person can have a house or multiple houses in Benin city and be satisfied without having any in his local government area. An Esan man will first think of building in his locality before venturing outside. Every Benin person wants to live in Benin city, creation of more local government areas in Edo south won't charge that. Edo south already have local government areas that are overshadowed by Benin city because Benin city is the cultural centre of Edo state.

If most Urhonigbe indigines in diaspora decide to build their houses in Urhonigbe, the place will develop.

Places like Amagba, oka, idogbo, Obagie, etc were all villages about 20 years ago. They are now flourishing towns, mostly because of Edo in diaspora investments in these areas, government is only trying to catch up now. All the Urhonigbe, okada, Ehor, etc in diaspora are the ones expanding developing Benin city into neighbouring villages, if they put similar efforts into their towns, they will be develop. Similar thing is happening in Lagos. If all Igbo that have helped to develop Lagos and Abuja, agree to develop a part of Igbo land, that land will be more develop than Lagos and Abuja even without federal government inputs.
where did Igbos develop in abuja and Lagos? And who told you Benin is more developed than the SE states?
Re: Fact About Pa Idu by UGBE634: 9:01am On Dec 04, 2022
BanyXchi:
where did Igbos develop in abuja and Lagos? And who told you Benin is more developed than the SE states?
He meant no city, in terms of size and economic strength, Benin city is reckoned to be the fourth largest city in Nigeria, ignore this guy, He is trying to distract you from the lord's work you are doing in the other thread samuk

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by BanyXchi: 10:39am On Dec 04, 2022
UGBE634:
He meant no city, in terms of size and economic strength, Benin city is reckoned to be the fourth largest city in Nigeria, ignore this guy, He is trying to distract you from the lord's work you are doing in the other thread samuk
lol I'm not distracting bro... Is Benin bigger that PH?

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by MzErica(f): 10:49am On Dec 04, 2022
That boy is high on kwale weed. Lozz, the Mumu said igbo developed Lagos and Abuja. grin maybe he means this kind of development.
BanyXchi:
where did Igbos develop in abuja and Lagos? And who told you Benin is more developed than the SE states?

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by BanyXchi: 11:01am On Dec 04, 2022
MzErica:
That boy is high on kwale weed. Lozz, the Mumu said igbo developed Lagos and Abuja. grin maybe he means this kind of development.
lol dude is a raging anti-yoruba lunatic, for years he's been pushing anti-yoruba rhetorics. I just wish we can seperate from them soon.
Re: Fact About Pa Idu by UGBE634: 11:06am On Dec 04, 2022
BanyXchi:
lol I'm not distracting bro... Is Benin bigger that PH?
Yes it is in size and population. Ph is the fifth largest in Nigeria

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by BanyXchi: 11:08am On Dec 04, 2022
UGBE634:
Yes it is in size and population.
so PH is not that big?
Re: Fact About Pa Idu by Olu317(m): 12:18pm On Dec 04, 2022
samuk:


The bolded is an insult to Edo people, let me quickly take you down historical lane.

1. In pre colonial Nigeria, Edo as a stand alone kingdom/empire was the dominant force for centuries in what later become Nigeria.

2. Edo kingdom/empire stood for over 900 years until the British destroyed and forced her into the a creation of theirs....the Western Region of Nigeria.

3. Before this force marriage between the people of old Benin kingdom and yoruba nations, the Oba of Benin had no equal let alone a senior. Who was the Alake historically? The closest yoruba oba that was mentioned in the same book as the oba of Benin was the Alaafin, who the British met on ground as the king of the yoruba people in 1824. In that mention, the Alaafin informed the British that he has requested help from the Oba of Benin to send his military to come and help him the Alaafin to put down his rebellious neighbours.

4. When it became apparent in 1959 that the British was about to exit Nigeria, Oba of Benin and his people began to negotiate with the British to separate from the western region which they were forced into.

5. Awolowo who initially agreed to the separation pre independence, reneged after independence. The Oba of Benin had to pull all strings from both Eastern and northern regions and eventually got his people out of the western region in 1963.

6. The mid West remains the only region/state in Nigeria till date that was democratically created, others Before and after were created by fiat.

7. The Edo people are the ones that have consistently shown that their history have nothing to do with Yoruba history.

8. Finding ourselves in this contraption called Nigeria with so called majority tribes who know very little about good governance and organisational skills have dragged us backward. The old Benin kingdom was known worldwide for her organisational and artistic skills. Today what is Nigeria known for?

9. In the little time we were allowed to govern ourselves, Bendel became number one, many of us old enough still remember the days of up Bendel and Bendel number one with nostalgia.


Yes Edo can do without yoruba, it's yoruba that cannot do without Benin history.
Lol . I am not interested in Politics on a Culture Thread because it will dent the purpose of Pa Idu's thread. So stay focus.

While the real Historical Perspective and not the falsified concocted storylines, does not support your Bini Dominance as Empire in Precolonial era, the same way Oyo had claimed earlier in some area.

Even if you post till eternity, Bini land mass is small and sparingly linked to the Atlantic Sea which even with her small population will need a bilateral trade partners which makes Yoruba land ,her first choice because of close proximity and relationship.

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by UGBE634: 1:00pm On Dec 04, 2022
Olu317:
Lol . I am not interested in Politics on a Culture Thread because it will dent the purpose of Pa Idu's thread. So stay focus.

While the real Historical Perspective and not the falsified concocted storylines, does not support your Bini Dominance as Empire in Precolonial era, the same way Oyo had claimed earlier in some area.

Even if you post till eternity, Bini land mass is small and sparingly linked to the Atlantic Sea which even with her small population will need a bilateral trade partners which makes Yoruba land ,her first choice because of close proximity and relationship.
Gambia is just about ten thousand kilometre2, about the same size as Edo south with even a lesser population to Edo south. We will stand ALONE and will not be under any group. Benin is over ten times Bigger than Singapore! haba Olu! don't be a fool, from one end of the kingdom to another like URHONIGBE to EHOR to EKIADOLOR to OKADA To ABUDU to IGUOBAZUWA TO UGHOTON, UDO, USEN, haba we are big enough and we will stand ALONE. Benin population cannot be less than 4 million today, more numerous than Gambia and many other smaller African and world countries, If that time comes, we would choose to collaborate with our Urhobo brothers than the threacherous yoruba nation in terms of access to the sea, we don't need you guys for anything, leave our history alone young man. We've made that clear in 1963 by pulling out from your unfruitful union, we will continue to say it, walahi we don't need you guys

Cape verde-4,033 km square
Comoros- 2,235km square
Mauritius-2,040 km square
Seychelles-455 km square
The combined landmass of these four countries= 8763kmsquare
Benin's landmass in Edo state should be about 8,500 km square to 9,000 km square

Benin land in Edo state is bigger than these four countries combined in terms of landmass.

Mauritius-1,265,475
Comoros- 850,000
Cape verde- 561,901
Seychelles-100,000
The combined population of these four countries=2,777,376
Benin population today is about 4 million so what are you on about Olu

https://books.google.com/books?id=GN5yv3-U6goC&q=Edo+3.8+million&pg=PA130

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by AreaFada2: 2:00pm On Dec 04, 2022
Olu317:
Just imaging your interpretation of what Alake said ? Hatred will not kill you Edo lying e warriors.

How is Alake Junior to Oloyo or Oba Bini ? In your falsehood, thought, military might is what makes a bonafide king greater than the other ?

Rather than posting gibberrish in this thread, it is advisable you post information on Pa Idu history,and not bring in views you do not have knowledge on because a king made statement on politics. Go learn and educate yourself .

Can Edo stand without Yoruba Race ? Can Oba Bini openly support disconnect between Yoruba ileife and his Kingdom ?

Seriously,your purpose on Culture Thread is quite questionable because you should this view of your on Politics thread.

I just wonder, reason you have not shed more light on Pa Idu as the pioneer man in your history . Hopefully, let us learn Edo historical information without controversy.
grin cheesy cheesy
Well, Benin already led Midwest out of Western Region concocted by the British and we have stood on our own, thank you very much. You can keep your teleporting Dr Who Oduduwa. Or is it Arabian flying carpet? cheesy grin

The fact is that on 07/01/1952, Alake's statement infuriated non-Yoruba members of Western House of Assembly. On the opening day of parliament no less. Oba Akenzua II led all non-Yoruba members to walk out of the chamber that day. Alake's statement was reckless and an affront. Midwest movement took on more momentum from that moment. Shebi una dey claim over-education? Go and learn your history first.

Or you want to tell those offended how to interpret Alake's statement?

Even Alake ranting in 2016 to rank Obas in Yorubaland didn't even dare to rank himself above Oba of Benin. So what are you saying?

Because Egbaland has produced many heads of state doesn't make Alake rank higher than Owa Obokun, Soun or Timi.

I know you guys do political obaship, even the selection sef na wa.

Of course he probably had too much time to spare and he went about the fruitless journey of mentioning Benin inside Yoruba supremacy battle. I know your hubris and ignorance won't allow you to know the woto woto Alake received in 2016.

Why do Alakes take it upon themselves to infuriate other people minding their own business? In 1952 and again in 2016.

Let Alake openly rank himself above the Olugbo of Ugbo, Oba Frederick Akinruntan and see the woto woto he will get. cheesy grin

Cc Automechanic

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by AutomaticMotors: 2:49pm On Dec 04, 2022
AreaFada2:

grin cheesy cheesy
Well, Benin already led Midwest out of Western Region concocted by the British and we have stood on our own, thank you very much. You can keep your teleporting Dr Who Oduduwa. Or is Arabian flying carpet? cheesy grin

Even Alake ranting in 2016 to rank Obas in Yorubaland didn't even dare to rank himself above Oba of Benin. So what are you saying?

Because Egbaland has produced many heads of state doesn't make Alake rank higher than Owa Obokun, Soun or Timi.

I know you guys do political obaship, even the selection sef na wa.

Of course he probably had too much time to spare he went about the fruitless journey of mentioning Benin inside supremacy battle. I know your hubris and ignorance won't allow you to know the woto woto Alake received in 2016. Why Alakes take it upon themselves to infuriate other people minding their own business? In 1952 and again in 2016.

Let Alake openly rank himself above the Olugbo of Ugbo, Oba Frederick Akinruntan and see the woto woto he will get. cheesy grin

Cc Automechanic

grin cheesy
Re: Fact About Pa Idu by Olu317(m): 5:59pm On Dec 04, 2022
UGBE634:
Gambia is just about ten thousand kilometre2, about the same size as Edo south with even a lesser population to Edo south. We will stand ALONE and will not be under any group. Benin is over ten times Bigger than Singapore! haba Olu! don't be a fool, from one end of the kingdom to another like URHONIGBE to EHOR to EKIADOLOR to OKADA To ABUDU to IGUOBAZUWA TO UGHOTON, UDO, USEN, haba we are big enough and we will stand ALONE. Benin population cannot be less than 4 million today, more numerous than Gambia and many other smaller African and world countries, If that time comes, we would choose to collaborate with our Urhobo brothers than the threacherous yoruba nation in terms of access to the sea, we don't need you guys for anything, leave our history alone young man. We've made that clear in 1963 by pulling out from your unfruitful union, we will continue to say it, walahi we don't need you guys

Cape verde-4,033 km square
Comoros- 2,235km square
Mauritius-2,040 km square
Seychelles-455 km square
The combined landmass of these four countries= 8763kmsquare
Benin's landmass in Edo state should be about 8,500 km square to 9,000 km square

Benin land in Edo state is bigger than these four countries combined in terms of landmass.

Mauritius-1,265,475
Comoros- 850,000
Cape verde- 561,901
Seychelles-100,000
The combined population of these four countries=2,777,376
Benin population today is about 4 million so what are you on about Olu

https://books.google.com/books?id=GN5yv3-U6goC&q=Edo+3.8+million&pg=PA130
Lol. Enjoy your dream land. Get back on track and tell us the Pa Idu factoring in Edo history
Re: Fact About Pa Idu by Olu317(m): 6:22pm On Dec 04, 2022
AreaFada2:

grin cheesy cheesy
Well, Benin already led Midwest out of Western Region concocted by the British and we have stood on our own, thank you very much. You can keep your teleporting Dr Who Oduduwa. Or is it Arabian flying carpet? cheesy grin

The fact is that on 07/01/1952, Alake's statement infuriated non-Yoruba members of Western House of Assembly. On the opening day of parliament no less. Oba Akenzua II led all non-Yoruba members to walk out of the chamber that day. Alake's statement was reckless and an affront. Midwest movement took on more momentum from that moment. Shebi una dey claim over-education? Go and learn your history first.

Or you want to tell those offended how to interpret Alake's statement?

Even Alake ranting in 2016 to rank Obas in Yorubaland didn't even dare to rank himself above Oba of Benin. So what are you saying?

Because Egbaland has produced many heads of state doesn't make Alake rank higher than Owa Obokun, Soun or Timi.

I know you guys do political obaship, even the selection sef na wa.

Of course he probably had too much time to spare and he went about the fruitless journey of mentioning Benin inside Yoruba supremacy battle. I know your hubris and ignorance won't allow you to know the woto woto Alake received in 2016.

Why do Alakes take it upon themselves to infuriate other people minding their own business? In 1952 and again in 2016.

Let Alake openly rank himself above the Olugbo of Ugbo, Oba Frederick Akinruntan and see the woto woto he will get. cheesy grin

Cc Automechanic
Ọ̀gbẹni, you do not know much on the ranking of kings in Yorùba land so, I wont blame you for your error.

Let me inform you that even Oba Bini was not even the first born of Orànmíyàn. Infact e far gan grin historically.So,dabbling into area you are not even certain, neednt be stated by you in the first place.

Oba Bini is part and parcel of Yoruba king lists and nothing you people can do about.Honestly , I do not like discussion of politics on culture thread if not your disrespect for Obas.

And to correct you permanently, Olúgbó is not even superior to Aláke in anyway even Olúgbó ancestor who was Obamakin was affiliated to Ora ifẹ . But you people love moonlight story grin

Infact a direct male descendant of Orànmíyàn is also one of the kings in Abẹokuta whose patrilineal ancestor was a direct son to Orànmíyàn and older than Obá Bini.

undecided undecided undecided Make you go learn authentic history.
Re: Fact About Pa Idu by AutomaticMotors: 9:11pm On Dec 04, 2022
Olu317:


And to correct you permanently, Olúgbó is not even superior to Aláke in anyway even Olúgbó ancestor who was Obamakin was affiliated to Ora ifẹ . But you people love moonlight story grin


A character from one of the different ppl that make up the "Yoruba Canopy" accusing someone of moonlight stories is the most
Ironic thing I have seen on nairaland in a long time grin cheesy grin cheesy

All Edos on this thread stop replying this people! Ignore them till the Ewedu dries in their stomachs!! This thread should be purged of such elements not worthy of 1kobo!

You are not even on the same level with the person you are quoting!! Both of you are not even comparable! He is a gift to Edos on this site and we acknowledge and appreciate his efforts over the years on this site whereas you upon all the years you have spent here making a mockery of your existence your fellow Yoruba comrades no even send you grin grin Dem no even regard you reach 1 cup of beans!! grin

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by UGBE634: 6:12pm On Dec 05, 2022
I am happy this is coming out, if everyone is able to register, this would give us an inkling of the population of Edo state and people. The Census conducted for the sake of more people, more largesse, will certainly be put to shame. Banyxchi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tI2FTkt6uM

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by UGBE634: 6:23pm On Dec 05, 2022
samuk:


Obaseki seems to be on the right track with his policies. Hopefully he will put plans in place for continuity.
That's why he seem to have Shaibu in mind to continue from where he stops.He would certainly support Shaibu in 2024,no matter the plan you have, if you don't have a successor that believes in your dream and plan, it would be fruitless.
Re: Fact About Pa Idu by samuk: 7:14pm On Dec 05, 2022
UGBE634:
That's why he seem to have Shaibu in mind to continue from where he stops.He would certainly support Shaibu in 2024,no matter the plan you have, if you don't have a successor that believes in your dream and plan, it would be fruitless.

Unless there is some gentleman agreement for Obaseki to continue to play a vital role behind the scenes, I don't see Shaibu having enough depth, connections, expertise and foreign experience for the job. Shaibu is also a core politician, politicians comes with too much baggage and political I own you.

Obaseki said in one of his speeches that he wouldn't have been able to archive much if he was a core politician who rose through the political ranks. Most hard core traditional Edo politicians and their thugs have been rendered powerless in the past 6 years. They may never be able to recover, future Edo is being designed to have no place for politicians that manipulate elections.

Politicians are wasteful. If you listen carefully to Obaseki, you will realised that him and his wife have disdain for politicians, they only work with them because they have no choice.

Also carefully look at Obaseki's political appointees, must of his star commissioners have foreign experience, they also have part of their education, graduate/post graduate degrees in Europe and America.

Edo needs a technocrat politician to continue.
Re: Fact About Pa Idu by UGBE634: 7:22pm On Dec 05, 2022
samuk:


Unless there is some gentleman agreement for Obaseki to continue to play a vital role behind the scenes, I don't see Shaibu having enough depth, connections, expertise and foreign experience for the job. Shaibu is also a core politician, politicians comes with too much baggage and political I own you.

Politicians are wasteful. If you listen carefully to Obaseki, you will realised that him and his wife have disdain for politicians, they only work with them because they have no choice.

Also carefully look at Obaseki's political appointees, must of his star commissioners have foreign experience, they also have part of their education, graduate/post graduate degrees in Europe and America.

Edo needs a technocrat politician to continue.
Certainly he will play a major role behind the scene, Shaibu is like his son and listens to him, look at the undying loyalty Shaibu gave him during the Oshiomhole and Obaseki's saga even when the former was and is Shaibu's foster father. That only goes to show that Shaibu is loyal and will listen to him. That seems to be the most important factor in this continuity project. Because Obaseki is the one with the idea and the concrete master plan, I have watched several of Shaibu's videos, he seem to believe strongly in the master plan of Obaseki
Re: Fact About Pa Idu by samuk: 7:27pm On Dec 05, 2022
UGBE634:
Certainly he will play a major role behind the scene, Shaibu is like his son and listens to him, look at the undying loyalty Shaibu gave him during the Oshiomhole and Obaseki's saga even when the former was Oshiomhole's foster son and was personally trained by Oshiomhole. That only goes to show that Shaibu is loyal and will listen to him. That seems to be the most important factor in this continuity project.

It will depend on trust, can Obaseki trust Shaibu enough? Shaibu had no choice but to support Obaseki's reelection otherwise he would have been out of office. He did his calculations and made the right choice for himself.

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by UGBE634: 7:31pm On Dec 05, 2022
samuk:


It will depend on trust, can Obaseki trust Shaibu enough? Shaibu had no choice but to support Obaseki's reelection otherwise he would have been out of office. He did his calculations and made the right choice for himself.
I believe it is beyond that for him, he has been with Obaseki long enough and he seem to love him. Many of his videos, he usually talks about how Obaseki himself sponsored his foster father Oshiomhole in his quest in becoming the governor of Edo state. For him to have fought his father, it is certainly beyond that. But we also have the issue of trust to worry about though, we cannot wish it away

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by samuk: 7:45pm On Dec 05, 2022
UGBE634:
I believe it is beyond that for him, he has been with Obaseki long enough and he seem to love him. Many of his videos, he usually talks about how Obaseki himself sponsored his foster father Oshiomhole in his quest in becoming the governor of Edo state. For him to have fought his father, it is certainly beyond that. But we also have the issue of trust to worry about though, we cannot wish it away

He fought his father for his own reasons (selfish). Obaseki and Shaibu wouldn't have won their first term election without Oshiomhole's support, I am saying this as a very strong Obaseki's supporter. Oshiomhole and Obaseki fell out because their political vision and vision for the state didn't align. Oshiomhole believes in carrying along some people within the political space, Obaseki disagree. Had Oshiomhole known this, he wouldn't probably had supported Obaseki, who wasn't the first choice.

The question is, does Shaibu and Obaseki political vision align, I don't think so. I haven't seen were Obaseki buy prado jeep or any of such cars for traditional rulers and politicians, recently Shaibu help build a modern palace for his king and planning to build another 22 smaller palaces for other kings in his clan, this is even as a deputy governor, what will he do as the executive governor. I am not saying this is wrong or right but only trying to show that Obaseki and Shaibu may not see things the same way.

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by BanyXchi: 8:28pm On Dec 05, 2022
Olu317:
Lol . I am not interested in Politics on a Culture Thread because it will dent the purpose of Pa Idu's thread. So stay focus.

While the real Historical Perspective and not the falsified concocted storylines, does not support your Bini Dominance as Empire in Precolonial era, the same way Oyo had claimed earlier in some area.

Even if you post till eternity, Bini land mass is small and sparingly linked to the Atlantic Sea which even with her small population will need a bilateral trade partners which makes Yoruba land ,her first choice because of close proximity and relationship.
Can you see the reply now? Why don't you have some self-esteem? Yorubas like you are the reason why we are insulted. We have nothing in common with them and we are not interested in any trade with them. Abeg leave them alone.
Re: Fact About Pa Idu by Olu317(m): 10:06am On Dec 07, 2022
BanyXchi:
Can you see the reply now? Why don't you have some self-esteem? Yorubas like you are the reason why we are insulted. We have nothing in common with them and we are not interested in any trade with them. Abeg leave them alone.
If your father was a prince in Ancient Yoruba settement, then you will not stand to post this nonsense to me.

Obviously, you do not know the value of royalty because, if you did , you will not exclude Oba Bini from Iliefe as a son to Oranyan. Having clarified such , only a bastard will see lies peddled on Yorubas royal father and keep mute.

Do not ever quote me again.
Re: Fact About Pa Idu by BanyXchi: 6:46pm On Dec 07, 2022
Olu317:
If your father was a prince in Ancient Yoruba settement, then you will not stand to post this nonsense to me.

Obviously, you do not know the value of royalty because, if you did , you will not exclude Oba Bini from Iliefe as a son to Oranyan. Having clarified such , only a bastard will see lies peddled on Yorubas royal father and keep mute.

Do not ever quote me again.
I don't understand what you gain in trying to claim someone that says they don't want to have anything to do with you... Wtf is wrong with you? These people fought for Midwest region so they can stay away from us, they don't like you. Why TF are you forcing yourself to be together with them? Just have some self-esteem and leave them TF alone. This has nothing to do with loyalty na!!
Re: Fact About Pa Idu by UGBE634: 8:48am On Dec 08, 2022
Banyxchi, the Iyase of Benin said his Igbe family in London and not the entire Uk cannot be less than 20. The Iyase of Benin is a very educated and sober man and there was emphasis on London, so he clearly knew what he was saying. Time stamp 20:50 to 21:02. When I tell you we have a mighty diaspora, I am not kidding.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCIBTmlI7hA

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by UGBE634: 10:19am On Dec 08, 2022
Banyxchi- I have seen it o

The link where Obaseki said his family is about a hundred thousand people. Timestamp 16:27-16:40 . Pedro is not a push aside(a former md of DAAR communications,a phd holder, and so on) and the Obaseki family is a pretty young one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_hteK2T0DM

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Re: Fact About Pa Idu by samuk: 12:50pm On Dec 08, 2022
UGBE634:
Banyxchi, the Iyase of Benin said his Igbe family in London and not the entire Uk cannot be less than 20. The Iyase of Benin is a very educated and sober man and there was emphasis on London, so he clearly knew what he was saying. Time stamp 20:50 to 21:02. When I tell you we have a mighty diaspora, I am not kidding.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCIBTmlI7hA

The Italian ambassador is currently in Benin City, he told audiences at the states dinner organised by Obaseki on 5th December 2022 that the population of Nigerians in Italy is 150,000. Obaseki disclosed that the ambassador informed him of Italian provinces with high population of Edo indigines, they are to collaborate on a road show next year to showcase business opportunities in Edo to Italian business people to come and invest.

The winner of 2022 Italian masterchef is an Edo lady.

It's estimated that between 2 to 6 billion dollars of the about 20 billion diaspora annual remittances to Nigeria goes to Edo state.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XX7DnXfOiM

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