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Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by Dtruthspeaker: 6:43pm On Dec 31, 2021 |
sonmvayina: Why do this to yourself! Did you not read that the dead shall be raised to be judged? Surely, the judgement of the living upon the earth is merely an Interim/Interlocutory Judgement (Temporary Judgement) The Day of The Lord is the Day Final Judgements will be all souls both the raised up dead and the livings on the earth of that time. It's as simple as that! |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by sonmvayina(m): 8:06pm On Dec 31, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: Where did God say he would do that...in the Tanakh? Don't quote from new testament. It's bull shit. I saw this while decongestant my room. I had to do the right thing..
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Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by triplechoice(m): 12:59pm On Jan 03, 2022 |
NNTR: Anyone who interprets the genesis account as literal and not as an allegory ,will certainly end up creating a mental pit fall for himself because it will become frustrating to explain or understand how after death an aspect of our being called soul continues to live on. The genesis account, gives a description of how man (Adam) was created from dust.And after the breath of life was introduced into this body of dust , man became a living soul. The Bible never talked of man having a soul before the body was created from dust or before the breath was introduced. So , from a surface explanation, it is the body plus breath that makes up the soul which is the same as the person or vice versa according to NNTR. Now death, according to the same Bible is when the body returns back to dust while the breath back to God. So, death( of the living soul) is the reversal of the process that made man a living soul in the first place. The implication from the above,means that death should be the end of it all. Nothing should remain. So ,the question now is, from where or from what material do we now have a soul which continues to exist after death? I have never for once, not exaggerating, gotten any reasonable answer from Christians who still believe that the genesis account actually happened as narrated. The only thing they are quick provide as answers are Bible verses from the new testament which describes the soul facing judgement after death. Such verses, we know, are nothing more than theological proclamations that are only meant to achieve religious conversion. When the average persons is told that an aspect of himself can be sent to hell fire or destroyed for eternity, he is instantly gripped with fear and would do anything he is told to do to avoid this fate.This is the deceptive conversion tactics used by most religious groups, Christianity especially, to recruit new members. Some other groups will threaten pontential recruits to join them or they face the prospect of endless reincarnation. But anyone who has a proper interpretation of the Genesis story can never be threatened by anything like hell fire or eternal damnation. The genesis story is an allegory with important symbolic representations that are not understood by Christians or believers who take the accoun as literal . It has nothing whatsoever to do with current Christianity. There's is no connection between the old testament and the new testament. It is through sheer humbug that Christians have succeeded in connecting the two parts of the Bible. Any Christian who is not afraid to admit it, can sense that the God of the old and new testament are not the same. One is vindictive and blood thirsty while the other is more benign. So, @ NNTR as long as you continue to take the Genesis account as literal , it will be difficult for you to give any reasonable response or really know what the soul is. So don't brag and please keep your response to your self.It is not deserving of anything. Keep to your words and don't respond. Thank you. |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by NNTR: 1:57pm On Jan 03, 2022 |
triplechoice: Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by Dtruthspeaker: 2:38pm On Jan 03, 2022 |
triplechoice: The Bible never said that Adam smiled sheepishly and gleefully when he saw woman, yet we know he did. Same here, Mr. Toyoda need not say that he made the engine first, then the shell, before he put the engine into the shell and thereafter put some fuels and oils before the Camry started working. Natural living has already shown us that when a person is dying unlike when a car or thing dies, we see him (his soul) "going away", even slowly, hence departing. We see the body is empty hence we call it remains exactly like the chassis of a car, with no engine. We see all these things and sound reason and knowledge definitely tells us that everything that lives has a battery when the battery is fully removed from it that thing "dies" but the battery itself still has power within it such that it can still be put in another body as the Owner or Creator may determine. The soul is merely the living battery which powers the shell called the body or flesh of the man! Man is a spirit displayed physically because of the use of the flesh/body, unlike like angels and other heavenly beings, man would not be seen as we see him today. |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by triplechoice(m): 4:16pm On Jan 03, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: I have not been arguing against the existence of the soul. If you had read taken the time to read my comments from the very beginning , you would have understood my position better. I need an explanation of what keeps the soul functioning after the physical body has been discarded at death. Is the soul self sustaining after death? How ? Explain the processs of what keeps it going. It would not be enough to respond that the soul does not need the breath of life after death because I would ask you why? Also, Bible verses would not be accepted except they contain the exact explanation of how the soul functions after death. If you can't provide the explanation ,then it means you don't know exactly what the soul is. So don't bother because I am not ready to repeat the same conversation 1 Like |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by Dtruthspeaker: 6:53pm On Jan 03, 2022 |
triplechoice: Samuel's, Elijah and Moses clearly answer question 1. Question 2 can not be truthfully answered by any man for we are not the makers of the soul. But the maker of the Soul has already answered the question in saying all souls shall be brought before God to be judged! |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by nairalanda1(m): 6:58pm On Jul 23 |
DeepsightX: Violating a rule of Narialand, you are. Want me to tell the god of this site? She likes to hear from me... |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by nairalanda1(m): 10:12pm On Jul 23 |
DeepsightX: Sweet dreams. As you know, you should not have called me a murderer. I did not abuse you, I did not call you a killer, so why should you do that to me. You guys, you should learn that you should not go round being abusive to others. It wins you no favors, it may make you feel good, but what price man? Better mature . And stop being abusive. For all you know, the person you are calling dense might be your senior at work. |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by nairalanda1(m): 7:22am On Jul 24 |
DeepsightX: Religion is one of the forms of spiritual oppression, which everywhere weighs down heavily upon the masses of the people, over-burdened by their perpetual work for others, by want and isolation. V.I Lenin, 1905 |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by nairalanda1(m): 7:23am On Jul 24 |
DeepsightX: In view of the undoubted honesty of those broad sections of the mass believers in revolutionary defencism who accept the war only as a necessity, and not as a means of conquest, in view of the fact that they are being deceived by the bourgeoisie, it is necessary with particular thoroughness, persistence and patience to explain their error to them, and to prove that without overthrowing capital it is impossible to end the war by a truly democratic peace. Lenin, April Theses (1917) |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by nairalanda1(m): 7:25am On Jul 24 |
DeepsightX: As Marx pointed out in The Critique of the Gotha Programme, the transitional period is characterized by the fact that human relationships will for a time involuntarily be limited by the “narrow horizon of bourgeois law”. It is interesting to analyse what, in Marx’s opinion, constitutes this narrow horizon of bourgeois law. Marx assumes a social order in which the means of production belong to an society, and in which the producers do not exchange their products. He thus takes a stage which is higher than the New Economic Policy in which we live. The market relationship has already been completely replaced by an organizational relationship and, in accordance with this, “the labour expended in products is not reflected in the form of value essential to those products, since here, in contrast to capitalist society, individual labour no longer exists in an indirect way but directly as a component part of collective labour” Evgeny Pashukanis, The General Theory of Law and Marxism (1924) |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by nairalanda1(m): 7:26am On Jul 24 |
DeepsightX: Law as an objective social phenomenon cannot be exhausted by a norm or a rule, whether written or unwritten. A norm as such, i.e. in its logical content, either is directly derived from existing relationships already or, if it is published as statutory law, then it presents itself only as a symptom by which one may assess, with some degree of probability, the likely emergence of the corresponding relationships in the near future. It is not sufficient to know the normative content of law in order to confirm its objective existence. It is necessary to know if this normative content is realized in practice, that is in social relationships. A common source of confusion is the dogmatic jurist’s method of thought according to which the concept of operative law and operative norm does not conform to what the sociologist or historian understands as objectively substantive law Evgeny Pashukanis, in The General Theory of Law and Marxism |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by nairalanda1(m): 7:28am On Jul 24 |
DeepsightX: There is contradiction and antagonism between the bourgeois state and society. We do not have this antagonism. Our state includes mass workers’ organizations, and the activity of the state apparatus is simultaneously social activity. Our state ownership of the means of production is social ownership. Accordingly, we can see that the mass organizations are constantly and increasingly involved in the work of administration and supervision, and that they are responsible for specific concrete tasks. Yet this does not mean that a process of the weakening and withering away of state power is occurring. This is one of the ways of strengthening state power. The maximum development of the workers’ participation signifies the strengthening of the state apparatus which is persuasive, ideologically influential and can use power, compulsion and force as well Evgeny Pashukanis State and Law under Socialism (1936) |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by nairalanda1(m): 7:30am On Jul 24 |
DeepsightX: “There is no hope of finding the sources of free action in the lofty realms of the mind or in the depths of the brain. The idealist approach of the phenomenologists is as hopeless as the positive approach of the naturalists. To discover the sources of free action it is necessary to go outside the limits of the organism, not into the intimate sphere of the mind, but into the objective forms of social life; it is necessary to seek the sources of human consciousness and freedom in the social history of humanity. To find the soul it is necessary to lose it". A.R Luria |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by nairalanda1(m): 7:32am On Jul 24 |
DeepsightX: WHEN seeking to study the psychology of the civilized adult, we must remember that it is the result of a complex evolution, in which at least three paths converge. The first of these is biological evolution from animal to man; the second, historico-cultural development, by means of which contemporary civilized man gradually evolved from the primitives; and the third, the individual development of each person (ontogenesis), whereby the tiny new-born, proceeding through a number of phases, develops into a child of school age, and later into a civilized adult. Some scientists (supporters of the so-called “biogenetic law”) believe that we should not study each of these paths of development separately and in isolation; that the developing child, in all essential respects, repeats the developmental traits of his species, and during the few years of his own individual life follows the path taken by that species for many thousands and tens of thousands of years. We do not hold this view. We believe that the development of the ape into man, of the primitive into a representative of the civilized era, and of the child into the adult takes a substantially different course, under the influence of unique factors, and passes through unique, and often unreproducible forms and phases of development. That is why, as we approach the study of the civilized adult, we must consider, in addition to the evolution of the behavior of animals and primitive man, the path taken by the development of the behavior in the child The Child and his Behavior. A. R. Luria |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by nairalanda1(m): 7:34am On Jul 24 |
DeepsightX: An object action, taken in isolation, does not have "written on it" the answers to questions such as: Why was it performed? What is its social meaning? Its actual motive? It is only when an object action becomes incorporated into a system of human relations that we can discover its true social meaning, its purposefulness as regards other people. This sort of "incorporation" also takes place in play . Role-playing is an activity within which the child becomes oriented toward the most universal, the most fundamental, meanings of human activity. On this basis the child begins to strive for socially meaningful and socially valuable activity, and in so doing demonstrates the key factor in readiness for school.This is the chief significance of play for mental development; it is its dominant function D.B. El'konin, Toward The Problem of Stages in the Mental Development of Children |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by nairalanda1(m): 1:28pm On Jul 24 |
DeepsightX:A man who dreads trials and difficulties cannot become a revolutionary. If he is to become a revolutionary with an indomitable fighting spirit, he must be tempered in the arduous struggle from his youth. As the saying goes, early training means more than late earning. Kim Jong Il |
Re: Can The Creator "Judge" The Created by nairalanda1(m): 12:18pm On Jul 25 |
DeepsightX: “The most valuable thing a human owns is their life. It is only gifted once, and it should be spent so that dying, they can say: All my life, all my strength I spent on the greatest thing there is: The struggle to liberate mankind” -Ernst Thälmann |
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