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Re: Refutation On Sufi by Nobody: 12:52pm On Apr 14, 2022 |
NeoWanZaeed: Are khwāriji Kāfir? |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by advocatejare(m): 1:02pm On Apr 14, 2022 |
yGoodman:Unfortunately your prophet encouraged people to lie just because he wanted them to kill someone he didn’t like Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." .... Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al- Ashraf." -Sahih Bukhari 5:59:36 |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by NeoWanZaeed(m): 1:27pm On Apr 14, 2022 |
yGoodman: Naaaaaaam |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Antiislaam(m): 6:20pm On Apr 14, 2022 |
yGoodman: That question hard for allah to answer through you at this time of your Ramadan abi |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Antiislaam(m): 6:21pm On Apr 14, 2022 |
yGoodman: Look at this allah's slave that can't defend the religion of allah |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Nobody: 6:16am On Apr 15, 2022 |
Antiislaam: |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Nobody: 6:16am On Apr 15, 2022 |
Antiislaam: |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Nobody: 6:51am On Apr 15, 2022 |
advocatejare: Na to go ask for clarification on this. Cus, this one nah war things. |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Nobody: 7:07am On Apr 15, 2022 |
NeoWanZaeed: What is Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) view on them as to whether they are kāfir or not? With dalil ni o. |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by advocatejare(m): 11:19am On Apr 15, 2022 |
yGoodman:There was no war, stop lying. Ka’b only exposed muhammad as being false and Muhammad sent hired killers to him |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by NeoWanZaeed(m): 11:50am On Apr 15, 2022 |
yGoodman: Quote the Hadith and post it here na. You leave rosul Hadith and you are quoting Ali.. LoL You don't even know how to take dalil in Islam |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Nobody: 12:07pm On Apr 15, 2022 |
advocatejare: I found the hadīth under military expeditions. Abi wetin I suppose say? |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Antiislaam(m): 12:13pm On Apr 15, 2022 |
[quote author=yGoodman post=111959560][/quote] Goan sleep jor |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Nobody: 12:48pm On Apr 15, 2022 |
NeoWanZaeed: You can't talk about Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) without talking about the Khawāriji. That is, he one way or the other must have said something regarding them. In term of them being Muslims or kāfir what was his view? Just answer, who knows whether a Kalifah was also wrong on a matter like such. Nevertheless, innovating into the religion is against the completion of the religion but it wasn't stated anywhere (Qur'an or Hadīth) that all innovation = kufr. No dalil here man. |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by NeoWanZaeed(m): 1:09pm On Apr 15, 2022 |
yGoodman: Who killed the khawarij? LoL Who the testified that the prophecy of rosul on the khawarij is truth after killing them? |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by NeoWanZaeed(m): 1:10pm On Apr 15, 2022 |
yGoodman: Sey it's because of sin that prophet said khawarij are kufar? Laughing |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by advocatejare(m): 3:16pm On Apr 15, 2022 |
yGoodman:Did Ka’b draw arrow, spear or any weapon against Muhammad? In which of the battles did the military expedition take place? |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Nobody: 5:37pm On Apr 15, 2022 |
advocatejare:
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Re: Refutation On Sufi by Nobody: 5:43pm On Apr 15, 2022 |
NeoWanZaeed: This is very simple man, did he say anything regarding whether they are Kāfir or not? Just answer yes or no. |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Nobody: 5:45pm On Apr 15, 2022 |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by advocatejare(m): 5:50pm On Apr 15, 2022 |
yGoodman:Where in the Hadith you quoted did Ka’b wage war against Muhammad. Ka’b only said the truth about Muhammad and Allah and he was hurt and since Muhammad and Allah were incapacitated and couldn’t fight for themselves,Muhammad had to recruit hired killlers to kill ka’b and he allowed the killers to lie in order to get close to ka’b |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by NeoWanZaeed(m): 7:40pm On Apr 15, 2022 |
yGoodman: Of course he did. Quote what he said here and let's read it o |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Antiislaam(m): 3:09am On Apr 17, 2022 |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Nobody: 7:42pm On Apr 17, 2022 |
NeoWanZaeed: You just he did, oya bring your dalil. |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by NeoWanZaeed(m): 11:53am On Apr 18, 2022 |
yGoodman: You have absolutely no idea. All you do and follow is alfa ni You don't even know or see or read what that alfa ni yourself You are very far from Islam knowledge |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Nobody: 5:50pm On Apr 18, 2022 |
NeoWanZaeed: How? You said he did say something pertaining the issue under discussion and I asked you to bring a proof in order for the truth to be established. What ignorance did I display for asking for proof. Fear Allah pls. |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by NeoWanZaeed(m): 7:02pm On Apr 18, 2022 |
yGoodman: Make a just stop this awkward discussion. The hadith is doif. But your scholars don't know the difference. Just like Sufi. All Hadith is usable to them. Bastards! They will leave the Hadith of ROSUL and be quoting sahabahas actions that's against the Hadith or quote scholars word. Until you understand you can only take knowledge of Islam from prophet, you will never know peace. Coz sahabahas can make mistakes and so are the scholars but the prophet can't |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Nobody: 7:23pm On Apr 18, 2022 |
NeoWanZaeed: Post the Hadīth and who graded it doif? Can we Logically say that Ali may Allah be pleased with him said nothing about the Khawāriji since your claimed only source is not even reliable? |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Nobody: 7:31pm On Apr 18, 2022 |
NeoWanZaeed: Does this mean the notion of making use of the understanding of the salaf that's strongly emphasised in Salafiyyah cannot be used in every sense? |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by NeoWanZaeed(m): 9:33pm On Apr 18, 2022 |
yGoodman: You don't even know who the salafs are. You don't even know how to take dalil from the salafs Go and books written by our scholars..Ibn Taymiyah and co.. lo ko eko |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by NeoWanZaeed(m): 9:35pm On Apr 18, 2022 |
yGoodman: Hadith you don't know but heard from your olodo scholars.. How would you even accept it's daif when you worship your aawah If you understand how to take dalil from Islam... Even if you agree that Hadith is sahih.. it's useless. we can't use it Go and learn. And kindly do not quote me again |
Re: Refutation On Sufi by Nobody: 5:28am On Apr 19, 2022 |
NeoWanZaeed: Shey you know sey you aren't answering any question here... Or are you literally saying some of the salaf (ṣahābah, and the two generations following them that exercised pristine Islam) did misunderstand the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم on some matters? Sure I am to seek the knowledge of the religion as far as I'm alive but I must beware of whom I take the knowledge from. My religion is the Qur'an, Authentic Hadiths and the understanding of the salaf. Kalas not how I understand it but how the salaf understood it, this is where you are lacking man. Lolz... The same Ibn Taymiyyah you claimed to have misunderstood a very crucial and vital concept of bid'ah. |
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