tctrills:

This could have easily been an interesting debate where neutrals like me could have learnt a lot but hate, pride and anger on both sides robbed us of the opportunity.

Clearly the OP is bitter but I also see much bitterness on the other side. I understand many feel its a personal battle when their religion seems to be disrespected but it shouldn't be.

I am learning not to take these things personal because we really don't get to educate or learn this way.

Auskyd:


Exactly! It is the bitterness for me! He isn't talking like who wants to educate you. He talks like who is hell bent on turning people's minds and hearts against these JW people.

I know this for sure. OP used to be one of them. Maybe he broke the rules and he got removed by them, so to spite them, he has decided to dedicate his time and effort to maligning them every chance he gets.
Do you know what it takes to set up a moniker just for the sole purpose of inciting hate against another religion? It is very personal bro.

I showed that yesterday. I'm glad everyone can see him for the bible fraud he is. He just reads the bible to look for points to discredit another religion, not because of spiritual enlightenment.

He is a very dangerous person.

Auskyd:

Exactly! It is the bitterness for me! He isn't talking like who wants to educate you. He talks like who is hell bent on turning people's minds and hearts against these JW people.
I know this for sure. OP used to be one of them. Maybe he broke the rules and he got removed by them, so to spite them, he has decided to dedicate his time and effort to maligning them every chance he gets.
Do you know what it takes to set up a moniker just for the sole purpose of inciting hate against another religion? It is very personal bro. I showed that yesterday. I'm glad everyone can see him for the bible fraud he is. He just reads the bible to look for points to discredit another religion, not because of spiritual enlightenment. He is a very dangerous person.

MaxInDHouse:


His type have made themselves agents of the devil waging war against God's organization!

But they're not skilled enough to make use of our WEAPON (Bible) {Luke 22:36 compare to Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12} so it's only unbelievers and unskilled spiritual soldiers they can contend with because we are fully competent and completely equipped for the WAR! Ephesians 6:10-18

So if you don't know their weaknesses you will be subdued one way or another.
How?
Note that they're not representing any known religious organization so they're like fugitives fighting against a settlement, they will drag you into the mud with them and observers will say:
"i stumbled on a conversation between Jehovah's Witnesses and ____________ both sides were into dirty, uncultured and unruly habits as they were exchanging insults, abusive speeches and curses"
So the Apostates are winning somehow because they never represented any known group but the JWs involved in the show have dragged the organization in the mud!
That's why I focus on their accusations and boom i keep poking their bubbles of lies this really makes them hate me the most because i won't give them the pleasure of what they desired rather i'll continue biting them subtly and using the scriptures to render all their accusations useless!

Mikee19:
Excellent stuff MaxInDHouse. Do not descend to their level. How hard can it be simply to let facts be facts and let them speak for themselves? Sigh..
Having said this you did not respond to scripture I gave. And this is just one of many. I believe, and can show, just as scripturally as i did there, the error of your organization. And I'll do so more soon. Cheers

tctrills:

See paise and insult mixed together.

So which church do you attend now? So that when JWs eventually wake up and leave the cult, they can attend your church of TRUTH with you.
Wahala dé o

Mikee19:
Errr... They didn't lie, lol. The kingdom of God was indeed at hand! Blame your misunderstanding on your organizations error of doctrine on what the kingdom of God is and when it came....

NKJV Lu 22:17-18: "¹⁷ Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves; ¹⁸ for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”"

Jesus, who's no liar, said he'll only drink of the fruit of the vine when the kingdom of God comes

well...

NKJV Ac 10:40-41: "⁴⁰ Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly, ⁴¹ not to all the people, but to witnesses chosen before by God, even to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead."

They ate and drank with him WHEN HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD! The kingdom of God has come ever since, which is why this scripture was in past tense:

NKJV Col 1:13: "¹³ He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,"

They "kingdom of God" was clearly come like Jesus and John foretold, your organization just failed to understand this and kept giving out fake prophecies!

Let your kingdom come".
Yet, you have prayed the Lord's prayer ever since your primary school days to your adulthood.
Did you pray for what has already happened , according to you," to come"?

You came to this forum to confirm you are confused.

Mikee19:
JW organization do exhibit cult-like properties. Again, the errors can be called out so that ppl can be saved

Mikee19:
If op wishes to point out errors of a group so as to warn unsuspecting public and even save their lives (spiritual, but sometimes emotional and even physical lives too e.g. blood transfusion issue), then I think it is rather commendable. JWs organization is a group that is steep in error, but sadly one may not know this until it's too late. These insults I don't enjoy tho. Stop riling him up and just enjoy facts as facts

Janosky:

"Let your kingdom come".
Yet, you have prayed the Lord's prayer ever since your primary school days to your adulthood.
Did you pray for what has already happened , according to you," to come"?

You came to this forum to confirm you are confused.

Janosky:

Pls exercise your right to deceive yourself.
No wahala.

Janosky:

Pls exercise your right to deceive yourself.
No wahala.

Mikee19:
Why not give a proper Bible response to me if you can? All my life I have never seen a proper response from JWs to me! And you proved it again today like the others to who just ignored my post like it didn't exist!

Again JW organization is steep in error. Doctrine with no Bible basis. Beliefs that cannot be proven when one with proper Bible knowledge asks. Prove me wrong today. Actually give a proper response let's see!

Maynman:

What’s the difference between Theo and theos?

Mikee19:
Naaah, no way is this a proper answer. You just side-stepped the scriptures I raised, rather than address them!

When Jesus taught his disciples that prayer, he was still preaching "the kingdom of heaven is at hand". During the Lord's supper, he was even still talking of it in futuristic tense, "when the kingdom of God comes"!

But the scriptures i showed indicated that it did come at that time. All you're doing is pointing out the inconsistencies with someone who still prays that prayer as tho it hasn't come. Give a proper answer. Show why that isn't correct. This one isn't it

Janosky:

Ask Google to help you cure your delusion.
You are too old to be spoon-fed.

Mikee19:
Errr... They didn't lie, lol. The kingdom of God was indeed at hand! Blame your misunderstanding on your organizations error of doctrine on what the kingdom of God is and when it came....

Mikee19:

NKJV Lu 22:17-18: "¹⁷ Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves; ¹⁸ for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”"

Jesus, who's no liar, said he'll only drink of the fruit of the vine when the kingdom of God comes

well...

Mikee19:

NKJV Ac 10:40-41: "⁴⁰ Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly, ⁴¹ not to all the people, but to witnesses chosen before by God, even to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead."

They ate and drank with him WHEN HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD! The kingdom of God has come ever since, which is why this scripture was in past tense:

NKJV Col 1:13: "¹³ He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,"

They "kingdom of God" was clearly come like Jesus and John foretold, your organization just failed to understand this and kept giving out fake prophecies!

You jumped to Acts 10:40-41 & Colossians 1:13 to misquote your Bible because you lack understanding.
Acts 10:40-41 refers to the events of
Luke 24:40-43, where the disciples ate with Jesus Christ after his resurrection.

Luke 24:40-43
When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence."

Their feeding with Jesus Christ @ Acts10:40-41 & Luke 24:40-43 ,had no ceremonial significance.

Mike,stop deceiving yourself.

Janosky:




Luke 22:17-18 is the Lord's Supper Jesus ate with the disciples in symbol of his sacrificial death shortly thereafter.

Janosky:
Jesus bood is symbolized by the wine.
Is Jesus sacrificial blood the "fruit of the vine"?

Janosky:
Their feeding with Jesus Christ @ Acts10:40-41 & Luke 24:40-43 ,had no ceremonial significance.

Mikee19:

Janosky I understand the urge to rush to defend your beliefs to show it's right. But really, you don't have to, especially when it can be obvious to neutrals that you had to switch up someone's words to do so. Sometimes just be humble and admit you do not know, nothing bad in that. The others kept quiet. You should have too.

MaxInDHouse:


In the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses not all of us are gifted as TEACHERS, some have the gift of SHEPHERDING, PROPHECY, APOSTLE! Ephesians 4:11
All males that stood firm in the organization we train them to become elders (mature members)
WHY? Because no idle worshiper will see God's Kingdom! We must all WORK (SLAVE) for our God, in fact that's what it means to SERVE JEHOVAH.
I remembered when i'm still a Muslim we use to say "nobody is SERVING God rather it's God that's SERVING us" because we believe it's someone doing us favour that's serving us and that's true so since we don't know in anyway we're doing anything for God we concluded we're not SERVING God.

But when i started studying with JWs i realized that serving God means rendering selfless services for the benefit of all in the congregation. So the GIFTS we have to serve in the congregations differs, that's why i told you to present your questions directly and quote/mention me. Let's see why over 8 million people globally believe that JW.org is the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught.

May you have PEACE!

Mikee19:
I fully understand and appreciate your post. However this isn't even the big one for me, it's just that it somewhat demonstrates the sort of response I may receive from JWs. But there are "bigger fish to fry"; one of which is Trinity.

You see I myself am no stranger to JWs. I'm a bit like cornelboy, except that I studied with JWs, attended kingdom halls, etc, and came out with a very diff result/understanding of JW doctrine....

Using the New World Translation of the scriptures, the kingdom interlinear of the Greek scriptures, and other JW tools, i will show VERY CLEARLY and EXPLICITLY the error of JW doctrine just as easily as I did here too! No John 1:1. No contentious scriptures. Just very obvious teaching from God's word. I'm just concerned that there may be responses like that of Janosky, with ppl going all out to defend their doctrine at all costs not minding if they're dishonest in doing so or not. At that time I'll tag you. Thank you.

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