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Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by debosky(m): 4:19pm On Jul 26, 2011 |
coogar: The quality of footie is only part of the appeal - the glory of winning with your national team is peerless, on the World Stage.
Don't confuse your enjoyment of those competitions with them being the pinnacle. There is no greater prize in World Football beyond the World Cup.
The issue is not expecting him to win the WC - if he can't win the WC, he is automatically not in the class of the VERY BEST. The VERY BEST win World Cups.
Despite Weah's incredible success at club level, no matter how much he tried, success couldn't be brought to the Liberian national team. Weah is seen as the patron saint of The Lone Stars, having not only played and coached them, and spent upwards of $2 million to help finance their quest for glory. When you compare like with like the differences appear - as you say, all the best players play for the best clubs. So what sets them apart? Producing the same genius to propel their national teams to victory - that is what marks out the VERY best.
Agreed, but there remains a possibility that an excellent player chooses to remain in his home club which isn't a big one. That is the point I was making.
This is silly - Cesc provided the pass that won the WC, and that means he was instrumental to that goal being scored. Being instrumental does not mean he single-handedly delivered the trophy. Learn to recognise the distinction. I never said Cesc won the cup alone, I said he was instrumental.
Baggio couldn't deliver in a WC final - Cesc did. That is incontrovertible.
Just as the crucial moments from all the useless English players has not won a rusty penny since the 60's
You haven't disputed anything I've said - you've simply tried and failed to run off track. The winning WC is the pinnacle of footballing achievement - Cesc has won that title while Hargo will never win it. Instead of wasting my time, make DVDs of his youtube performances and go and market them to clubs on his behalf. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by coogar: 4:58pm On Jul 26, 2011 |
debosky: if the quality is better, i don't see how the glory of winning something quality will not be better than the substandard quality. you are not arguing like the debosky i know - probably because you are barking a wrong tree. if the quality of my job is better than yours. . . .mastering that job will give me more glory than yours - it's simple logic.
false! the world cup is a marathon, the champions league is a sprint. . . . . now tell me, which has more quality. . . .more glory. . . .more memorable!
the beauty of it is - these days, you don't have to win a world cup to become the best player on the planet.
how does this criticize george weah?
the national team has to be a big football nation in the first place. . . . .this is why van basten, platini, cryuff couldn't win the world cup in spite of their winning ballon d'or thrice in their respective careers. the country of birth has to be solid for a player to produce his ingenuity in his club for his national team. in a nutshell, if we have 2 equally gifted players with one playing for brazil and the other playing for northern ireland. . . . the player from brazil has more chances of winning the world cup than his counterpart from belfast! this is the logic!
cite one example! maldini? his ac milan have won 7 champs league, countless league titles, etc. . . .where else would he go to? scholes-giggs? man utd is the most successful club in all the english speaking countries in the world. . .where else would they go? who else? del piero? his bottom ceiling is lower than players like messi, cristiano, fat ronaldo, etc so the big clubs did not sniff his bum.
cesc owed that world cup to being a spanish citizen than his football brilliance. spain don't need cesc, cesc needs spain!! you can't say that about the other world cup winners or players that have won it. your logic is saying cesc has achieved more than messi? really? debosky - can you back that up?
messi's never played in a world cup final. . . cesc has. . . .cesc has achieved more? i am sorry for this kind of logic.
wrong analogy. none of the english players had 6 different attempts to win the world cup. . . .that would be 24 years - without factoring the years england didn't qualify. the most any player could get is 4 attempts. cesc had six!! cesc had 6 consecutive attempts to win a league title. . . six! six!! six!!!
i have disputed the basis of your argument: that the world cup is the pinnacle of football achievement! it is not!!! had messi won it without the champions league, his criticism would be far worse than what he's getting now. as a player, you just have to win the champions league. it has eclipsed the world cup. because of money, players are actually more loyal to their clubs than their national teams so they give in their best for their clubs than the world cup where the football has been rubbish in the last 5 editions. barcelona vs spain? who do you think would win?
hargo has won more than cesc. 2 champs league, 4 bundesliga, 1 premier league. . . . hell, hargo has done more than any player in the history of arsenal. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by MrTA(m): 6:51pm On Jul 26, 2011 |
All this rubbish arguments.can't wait for the season to start.although baba is messing with me not buying a midfielder oh.when was the last time we signed a midfielder? |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by coogar: 6:58pm On Jul 26, 2011 |
Mr_TA: 3 weeks ago - ashley young. come to think of it - ashley young can do the scholesy role!! |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by codedguy1(m): 7:13pm On Jul 26, 2011 |
@ debosky. Who exactly do u support cesc or arsenal football club? For u to be fellating on the fact that Cesc made a pass that led to the goal that won the WC for spain is disgraceful. yes trophies were the main topic, but trophies won at club level is what was being refered to until u brought in the "cesc killer pass in the WC achievement" So if Cesc eventually leaves to Barca and he starts winning trophies you will still be jumping about the whole place screaming that Cesc picked the ball from the ball boy and eventually his throw in led to the goal that gave barca another cup. Abeg. Cesc is just lucky he is a spaniard |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by MrTA(m): 7:36pm On Jul 26, 2011 |
coogar:No. Hopefully SAF bloods Paul Pogba this season. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by debosky(m): 11:07pm On Jul 26, 2011 |
Coded The issue was comparing individual achievement of Cesc vs Hargo . . . .dunno why your fellow scumtwats are defending an ex Utd player either. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by coogar: 11:13pm On Jul 26, 2011 |
debosky: of which hargo's credentials shame cesc's meanwhile, i need your onitsha support on ezeuche's thread. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by mbulela: 10:24am On Jul 27, 2011 |
Mr_TA: i doubt it else he would have joined them for pre season. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by coogar: 10:28am On Jul 27, 2011 |
this is delightful for us transfer muppets. . . david gill:
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Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by MrTA(m): 11:11am On Jul 27, 2011 |
mbulela:SAF said he considered him for preseason but the preseason squad was getting too big and thought not to take him. but he was very close. I'll be surprised if he doesnt make atleast a handful of first team appearances this coming season. I'm abit jealous of City signing Aguero. We really need a top midfielder to add to the squad. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by Nobody: 4:59pm On Jul 27, 2011 |
coogar:Who you calling muppet? |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by IYANGBALI: 5:33pm On Jul 27, 2011 |
pls what time is our friendly match with MLS AND BARCA? |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by coogar: 5:44pm On Jul 27, 2011 |
StarBoard: its a general term for anyone itchy/excited about player transfer. . . .transfer muppets! e.g. ruudie, starboard, coogar, chamotex. the first thing these guys do is to log on the internet and check who fergie has signed. . . .cold chills till the 31st of august with questions. . . ."who are we going to sign?" "is sneijder coming?" "is maradona signing?". to sad bastards, they see it as muppetry. . . .transfer muppetry but we love it. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by MrTA(m): 6:44pm On Jul 27, 2011 |
Apparently,Hernandez suffered a concussion during training and had to spen the night in hospital. Pretty much ends his tour participation? |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by montelik(m): 9:45pm On Jul 27, 2011 |
^^ Vidic must have forgotten it was just pre-season training when he steam rolled him. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by Nobody: 8:14am On Jul 28, 2011 |
coogar:LOL. . . Guy,I still will be like Thomas. . .if we are supposed to bridge the gap with Barca, some of these signings aren't what we need. Till we plug the hole in our middle,I still choose to be a muppet,by your definition. Kindly add Mr. TA to that list too. . and mbulela. If being muppets means worrying for the future of our dear club that we support,count me INNNN. BTW,did i just read a quote attributed to you claiming that Young can fill in for Scholes?Tell me it isn't true? |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by RuuDie(m): 9:53am On Jul 28, 2011 |
As far as the 'transfer muppetry' goes. . . . . . please return De Gea to Athletico Madrid and collect our money back; I am liking this Lindegaard fellow - plus God knows that dough can buy us some good options upfield! |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by Nobody: 10:03am On Jul 28, 2011 |
^^^^ You just read my mind. Lindergaard is a world-class stopper. De Gea is good and can be a great goalie,but no point in having him when you have folks like Lindergaard and Amos (another excellent goalie).But I guess there is no harm in having an over-abundance of talent in the GK area,something United have struggled with in the past. . . |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by usbcable(m): 10:46am On Jul 28, 2011 |
as many times as spanish teams won the CL spain was forever recognised as an under achieving nation, not until last year. even england winning the WC once was considered a greater achiever than spain. and IMHO a club is never greater than a country, hence a continental trophy cant be greater than a world trophy. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by mbulela: 1:12pm On Jul 28, 2011 |
StarBoard:still too early to judge Lindergaard. i hope he becomes a useful back up. we can't have more than two good keepers.i hear that Amos is highly rated, i can see him going on loan this season or in January and being sold off next season. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by coogar: 1:50pm On Jul 28, 2011 |
StarBoard: everybody is a transfer muppet. . . . .if you go to any man utd blog, fans are waiting n anticipating the signing of wesley sneijder. . . .i am sure we won't hear anything until united return back to carrington.
young thrived in that role last season for aston villa. but he will struggle against the big teams. fergie will be utterly foolish if he doesn't plug that hole in the midfield. we need a superb, experienced midfield dynamo that understands the value of the final ball. we play barcelona on saturday. after watching what those catalonians did to bayern munich last night. . . . .we are in for a tough game. anyways. . . . .this is anderson scoring a superb goal after some nice combo with rooney and berbatov. berbatov's 3rd goal was just pure s[i]e[/i]x. . . . .thierry henry/beckham showed some flashes of brilliance but it wasn't enough as united romped 4-0. [flash=425,400] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd_YQ9bPjJQ?version=3&hl=en_GB"[/flash] |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by DoubleN(m): 4:41pm On Jul 28, 2011 |
Omo that first goal was wow!! |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by Emperoh(m): 4:51pm On Jul 28, 2011 |
Coogar, Will prefer Ando's goal to Berba's!! He nearly missed it. But see that move for the first goal. . . . .I also think Welbeck did well in the match. Looking forward to the Barcelon match. . . .thank God its a weekend. I just hope they won't thrash us like they did in the UCL finals!!! I am still waiting to see what Fergie has up his sleeves!! |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by Nobody: 5:17pm On Jul 28, 2011 |
mbulela:Amos is a goalkeeper who's been showing promise for a year now. He won't be loaned out.He'll probably be third choice,but depending on how he performs he can actually make it a three-way firght for the goalie's jersey. Lindergaard is not bad I tell you.I like what I see in him.Playing behind established veterans in Rio and Vida will help him.Same as De Gea. coogar:That was Aston Villa.This is United.He can't handle it.Young's best position is out wide. The commentator said there's no such thing as an easy goal for Berba. . .he almost fluffed it but he played well yesterday. . . |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by RuuDie(m): 6:53pm On Jul 28, 2011 |
As far as I'm concerned, Lindegaard is the *ish ~ whoever recommended that guy to SAF should be given a raise. . . . .he is so damn composed, just looking at him is enough to inspire confidence. His handling so far is good; yes he hasn't really been tested as such but as a goalie is mentally strong enough to keep his head, he is just a short way from being class. I still say it is not too late to send De Gea right back to Madrid - hate to see that after all that money splashed, he will be warming the bench! |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by coogar: 7:32pm On Jul 28, 2011 |
RuuDie: fufuface:https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=443065.msg7176443#msg7176443 |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by debosky(m): 9:25pm On Jul 28, 2011 |
^^^ I seem to remember some ridiculous backtracking when he was challenged then as well. . . . .Cougars have long memories. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by mbulela: 10:20pm On Jul 28, 2011 |
StarBoard:his growth will be severely stunted as a number 3.it is not like outfield positions.he needs to play to improve. i will be surprised if he is still here by feb. there will be no 2 way fight talk less of a 3 way fight. SAF does not rotate keepers like that. he just wants a solid back up for De Gea,which is what Anders hopefully is. this is not Arsenal where the gaffer does not even know who is his no. 1. |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by RuuDie(m): 5:13am On Jul 29, 2011 |
Lindegaard eyes top spot http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/938105/anders-lindegaard-eyes-top-spot?cc=5739 |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by montelik(m): 12:56pm On Jul 29, 2011 |
Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 by dayokanu(m): 6:54pm On Jul 29, 2011 |
montelik: From the shirt, we can tell that Inter Milan beckons |
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