OkCornel:


Cheers.

You’re referring to the corrupted version of Christianity tainted with Roman Paganism. I don’t subscribe to that fraudulent version.

Yeshua Ben Yosef (Melekh Maschiach) is the name it was known as at that time before it morphed into Iesous and eventually Jesus.

Who knew him?

I mean somebody that actually met him..

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Very good. Your screenshot proves Christians were very much around before the “Roman Catholic” popped up.

OkCornel:


Very good. Your screenshot proves Christians were very much around before the “Roman Catholic” popped up.

Boy bye

sonmvayina:


Who knew him?

I mean somebody that actually met him..

John the Baptist, Pontius Pilate, the disciples.

I’m pretty sure there’s no dispute on the existence of these people, hmmm?

MaxInDHouse:


See Mumu!


A person was silenced by politicians and his disciples were intimidated to the highest degree by the Jewish authority. Even killing anyone that profess faith in him.

Not until a COUNCIL OF POLITICIANS picked interest in his case while they have the backing of the world's most powerful emperor of their time. Do you think the Jews who have been displaced have any power over that again?

Come on use your brains!
Those unbelieving Jews have nothing more to do than continue grumbling underG anywhere they are after their city Jerusalem has been destroyed along with their temple!

That's why it's after the council that Jesus' case can no longer be buried!

Lol, can you actually hear yourself?

Which jeasd?

Why would God who promised to send them a Messiah blind them when he actually did. Does it make any sense.

No Jesus lived. The gospel stories was cooked up after Nicea. Possibly by Eusebius. He is the master forger.

Why would God send them a Messiah and nobody actually saw him and he did not accomplish what he promised h would,.

My friend it is high time you realise that you have been fooled.

Maynmann:


And?

So you can quote from somewhere that the roman catholic created the worship of Christ but there are many places I can quote to show that Christ created his church and the belief in Christ is older than the Roman Catholic church. We need to be careful when we claim to have facts. Because what you call facts is basically another writer's opinion.

sonmvayina:


Lol, can you actually hear yourself?

Which jeasd?

Why would God who promised to send them a Messiah blind them when he actually did. Does it make any sense.

No Jesus lived. The gospel stories was cooked up after Nicea. Possibly by Eusebius. He is the master forger.

Why would God send them a Messiah and nobody actually saw him and he did not accomplish what he promised h would,.

My friend it is high time you realise that you have been fooled.

Bro he knows the whole facade is a lie, he is a yaldaboath worshipper of the watchtower.

Please look up yaldaboath and connection with fallen watchers(watchtower).

sonmvayina:


Lol, can you actually hear yourself?

Which jeasd?

Why would God who promised to send them a Messiah blind them when he actually did. Does it make any sense.

No Jesus lived. The gospel stories was cooked up after Nicea. Possibly by Eusebius. He is the master forger.

Why would God send them a Messiah and nobody actually saw him and he did not accomplish what he promised h would,.

My friend it is high time you realise that you have been fooled.

What exactly is your argument?

Is it whether Jesus existed or not?
Or disputes to his being the messiah?

Or both.

tctrills:

So you can quote from somewhere that the roman catholic created the worship of Christ but there are many places I can quote to show that Christ created his church and the belief in Christ is older than the Roman Catholic church. We need to be careful when we claim to have facts. Because what you call facts is basically another writer's opinion.

Where did”Christ create his church”

tctrills:

Oga, please do your research before saying things like these.
The Roman empire was already established before the birth of Christ.
At the birth of Christ, the Empire was already the most powerful on earth.

Yes,

The Romans had their own religion an the Jews had their
And other parts o the Roman empire too.
When Constantine became emperor he wanted a single religion for the empire. H gathered all the religious leaders to Nicea. After they argued for almost 6 months they finally agreed on Serapis as their god. Serapis finally became Jesus at the council of Ephasius in 430AD...the national religion of the Jews is Judaism and it is based on a national revelation..not one mans delusion..

tctrills:

But still, it won't be right to say that the Roman empire created Christianity rather, the Roman empire converted to Christianity

The worshipers of Serapis where called Christians..

sonmvayina:


The worshipers of Serapis where called Christians..

Your opinion sir

sonmvayina:


The worshipers of Serapis where called Christians..

The people Emperor Nero persecuted were worshippers of Serapis?

OkCornel:


John the Baptist, Pontius Pilate, the disciples.

I’m pretty sure there’s no dispute on the existence of these people, hmmm?

What did they say about him?

sonmvayina:


The worshipers of Serapis where called Christians..

Did Emperor Nero persecute the worshippers of Serapis? The worship of Serapis was long established and widely accepted in Rome. (Screenshot 1)

Which begs the question, who did Emperor Nero blame for the great fire of Rome? (Screenshot 2) Hint: It was a “rebellious new cult” at the time.

We are definitely discussing two separate and unrelated groups of people!

OkCornel:


What exactly is your argument?

Is it whether Jesus existed or not?
Or disputes to his being the messiah?

Or both.

Jesus is a made up character by the Roman empire.

The gospels are theological fictions,

Nero persecution was against Jews

sonmvayina:


What did they say about him?

John the Baptist;
John 1 v 29;
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world”

Simon Cephas Peter, Son of Jonah and leader of the twelve.
Matthew 16 v 16;
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

Pontius Pilate - You can read up his interaction with Jesus in the synoptic gospels.

Maynmann:
Nero persecution was against Jews

Paul and Peter were Jewish Christian leaders executed by Nero so…

OkCornel:


John the Baptist;
John 1 v 29;
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world”

Simon Cephas Peter, Son of Jonah and leader of the twelve.
Matthew 16 v 16;
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

Pontius Pilate - You can read up his interaction with Jesus in the synoptic gospels.

You are just very funny.

Haahahhahha..

sonmvayina:


The worshipers of Serapis where called Christians..

We all have our beliefs. Its nice knowing yours

sonmvayina:


Jesus is a made up character by the Roman empire.

The gospels are theological fictions,

Is the Antiquity of the Jews written by first century historian - Josephus Flavius also fiction?

It’s the history of the Jews.

Please read Chapter 9, Book 20 - Antiquity of the Jews.

sonmvayina:


You are just very funny.

Haahahhahha..

I thought I’ll get an intelligent reply

Don’t disappoint me

OkCornel:


Is the Antiquity of the Jews written by first century historian - Josephus Flavius also fiction?

It’s the history of the Jews.

Please read Chapter 9, Book 20 - Antiquity of the Jews.

Are you trying to tell me there was no person who could write as at the time Jesus is sad to have lived. I want what somebody who actually met him and heard him speak had to say about him....

OkCornel:


I thought I’ll get an intelligent reply

Don’t disappoint me

Ok,

Do you know when th gospels where first published ?

sonmvayina:


Are you trying to tell me there was no person who could write as at the time Jesus is sad to have lived. I want what somebody who actually met him and heard him speak had to say about him....

Weak retort. All scholars who know their onions conclude Jesus exist. You can argue with them…starting from the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius.

Since you know the history of the Jews better than the Jews themselves. Go and educate them!

sonmvayina:


Ok,

Do you know when th gospels where first published ?

First published? Or first written

Can you also help with when the Tanakh was first published?

Overarching lesson here. Believers, know the history of your faith and don’t just wallow in blind belief.

You can easily be swayed by flawed and fraudulent narratives if you don’t know history.

Before they were called Chrestian in Antioch, they were referred to as “Nazarene”

Nazarene are people from Nazareth.

Nero prosecuted JEWS.

OkCornel:


Paul and Peter were Jewish Christian leaders executed by Nero so…

Paul and Peter were JEWS

Maynmann:


Paul and Peter were JEWS

And were Christians too. Duh!!!

OkCornel:


And were Christians too. Duh!!!

Nero prosecuted JEWS