Usually Islam forbids you ask questions which doubt the existence of ‘allah’ many occultic movements also forbid questioning their “modus operandi”

Wilgrea7:


Yes I've read on both of them. Mythology literally means a collection of myths and beliefs.

I agree that these beliefs predate the current ones we have today, but tracing the root back to them (which I encourage), still involves questioning the older ones as well. Don't you agree?

Tracing the roots back to them takes you to the same place. Belief is from Doxa contrast to episteme.
I doubt you’ve read ANYTHING on them, it’s glaring.

Dtruthspeaker:


Wrong question.

The Correct Question is whether
1) You think there is God/Gods or Not?

2) Would you like to have God/gods or not over you, since you know that they would be very much greater you?

The second question assumes the first one is correct. The first question, which is whether or not a God/gods exists, is literally part of the whole process of questioning your beliefs (at least for most people).

Maynman:



You didn’t get it a bit, Christianity is borrowing their belief system.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism

This is a complete miss.

The god el you describe would be "Enlil" his consort is "Ninlil" not asherah. One of their 70 sons is yaweh and his consort is Asherah. The creator God in the Ugaritic text is Marduk. He is the universe itself. He is the lugal dimmer ankia which means divine king of heaven and earth...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LM-8m6xWSk

TAYO124:
Usually Islam forbids you ask questions which doubt the existence of ‘allah’ many occultic movements also forbid questioning their “modus operandi”

That doesn't sound like a very good thing

Maynman:


And you chose Israelites God/gods, why from the Middle East though?

He is The Only One Who Spoke and Speaks As A God would Speak!

sonmvayina:


This is a complete miss.

The god el you describe would be "Enlil" his consort is "Ninlil" not asherah. One of their 70 sons is yaweh and his consort is Asherah. The creator God in the Ugaritic text is Marduk. He is the universe itself. He is the lugal dimmer ankia which means divine king of heaven and earth...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LM-8m6xWSk

El is different form enlil.

Maynman:


Tracing the roots back to them takes you to the same place. Belief is from Doxa contrast to episteme.
I doubt you’ve read ANYTHING on them, it’s glaring.

I think maybe we misunderstand each other. Do you agree these older religions/belief systems (Yahwism in this case) is simply a belief, or do you classify them as objective knowledge?

For example, the existence of El and the Elohim, which was part of the belief system back then. Do you take it as objective knowledge, or as just a belief which is also subject to scrutiny?

Wilgrea7:


That doesn't sound like a very good thing

That’s the truth though, some of this practices seek to control the minds of people as if they were ‘Robots’. That is why we see a mechanical following, this people are ready like suicide bombers to sacrifice their own lives.

Wilgrea7:


I think maybe we misunderstand each other. Do you agree these older religions/belief systems (Yahwism in this case) is simply a belief, or do you classify them as objective knowledge?

For example, the existence of El and the Elohim, which was part of the belief system back then. Do you take it as objective knowledge, or as just a belief which is also subject to scrutiny?

The origin of the word aligns with it, yahwism goes beyond belief system.
Are you sure you have read anything on this?

Maynman:

El is different form enlil.

For the sake of referencing No serious researcher/ writer relies solely on Wikipedia.

TAYO124:


For the sake of referencing No serious researcher/ writer relies solely on Wikipedia.

Send me the books you’ve read on Semitic gods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMCOoSYB3Q4


The creation of the universe..for the wise.

Maynman:


The origin of the word aligns with it, yahwism goes beyond belief system.
Are you sure you have read anything on this?

I apologize, but now I'm confused. I understand the etymology of the word. That isn't the point I'm trying to present.

You said religions like Christianity can be traced back to Judaism which can further be traced back to Yahwism. And Yahwism believed in the existence of gods and pantheons like elohim. I understand the etymology of the word and what it means.

What I'm saying is, the notions or beliefs people held about this said Elohim, El, and the other gods that they believed existed at the time, Do you agree that these notions are subject to questioning, or are they an absolute truth?

Wilgrea7:


I apologize, but now I'm confused. I understand the etymology of the word. That isn't the point I'm trying to present.

You said religions like Christianity can be traced back to Judaism which can further be traced back to Yahwism. And Yahwism believed in the existence of gods and pantheons like elohim. I understand the etymology of the word and what it means.

What I'm saying is, the notions or beliefs people held about this said Elohim, El, and the other gods that they believed existed at the time, Do you agree that these notions are subject to questioning, or are they an absolute truth?

But you claim you have read on Judaism and Yahwism, do you know the origin of the word “Judaism” and “yahwism”
What exactly have you read on it then?

Maynman:


Send me the books you’ve read on Semitic gods.

Marduk is the son of enki..

He won his place by defeating tiamat.

He created the universe from her remains.

He was crowned king of the gods.

This is Marduk with the universe as his gaments..

sonmvayina:


Marduk is the son of enki..

He won his place by defeating tiamat.

He created the universe from her remains.

He was crowned king of the gods.

This is Marduk with the universe as his gaments..

Mesopotamia mythology.
Send me the books you’ve read on Semitic gods

Maynman:


But you claim you have read on Judaism and Yahwism, do you know the origin of the word “Judaism” and “yahwism”
What exactly have you read on it then?

Sir... I'm not talking about the origins of the words. I'm taking about what the followers of these systems believed.

I initially said it was ok for people to question their beliefs. I didn't say anything specific about the origin. I meant questioning what their beliefs are. If they trace their beliefs back to Judaism and Yahwism, doesn't that also mean these other beliefs should be questioned as well?

That's my point. I'm not trying to make a point on the meaning or etymology of the names used here.

Maynman:


Mesopotamia mythology.
Send me the books you’ve read on Semitic gods

Read the Enuma Elish

Wilgrea7:


Sir... I'm not talking about the origins of the words. I'm taking about what the followers of these systems believed.

I initially said it was ok for people to question their beliefs. I didn't say anything specific about the origin. I meant questioning what their beliefs are. If they trace their beliefs back to Judaism and Yahwism, doesn't that also mean these other beliefs should be questioned as well?

That's my point. I'm not trying to make a point on the meaning or etymology of the names used here.

I doubt you’ve read anything on Judaism and yahwism.

sonmvayina:


Read the Enuma Elish

Yes it’s a mythology, have you read epic of Gilgamesh?

Wilgrea7:

Sir... I'm not talking about the origins of the words. I'm taking about what the followers of these systems believed.

I initially said it was ok for people to question their beliefs. I didn't say anything specific about the origin. I meant questioning what their beliefs are. If they trace their beliefs back to Judaism and Yahwism, doesn't that also mean these other beliefs should be questioned as well?

That's my point. I'm not trying to make a point on the meaning or etymology of the names used here.

What questions would you have of Judaism which is belief in YHWH?

Wilgrea7:


The second question assumes the first one is correct. The first question, which is whether or not a God/gods exists, is literally part of the whole process of questioning your beliefs (at least for most people).

The second question reveals The Truth of the secrets and wshes in your mind, whether you secretly entertain a desire for the absence of God (since we know that the Presence of God can be adverse and harm full to us)

Therefore, there is need to see whether your enquiry is biased and based on personal wishes and prefferance, as this would definitely affect the Purity of the Truth of your enquiry.

Maynman:

I doubt you’ve read anything on Judaism and yahwism.

You're clearly missing my point. I think you misunderstood what I meant by "questioning your belief".

For example, the Yahwists believed in the gods Yahweh, and the other ones of the Pantheon known as Elohim. Now Imagine if someone were to ask the question "what proof do I have for the existence of this Pantheon, and how verifiable are the claims made about them?" That's what I mean by questioning the beliefs. It has nothing to do with Etymology of names

Kobojunkie:
What questions would you have of Judaism which is belief in YHWH?

Everything. Their claims of who their God is, and the basis, as well as evidence for those claims.

Dtruthspeaker:


The second question reveals The Truth of the secrets and wshes in your mind, whether you secretly entertain a desire for the absence of God (since we know that the Presence of God can be adverse and harm full to us)

Therefore, there is need to see whether your enquiry is biased and based on personal wishes and prefferance, as this would definitely affect the Purity of the Truth of your enquiry.

My desire for the existence of a God has no effect on whether a god exists or not. If a God exists, me wanting Him/She/It to not exist doesn't matter. Likewise, if a God doesn't exist, me wanting Him/She/It to exist also doesn't matter.

Wilgrea7:
Everything. Their claims of who their God is, and the basis, as well as evidence for those claims.

If you read through the books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, you will learn the answers to all of your questions about Judaism.

God constituted a Nation of the people of Israel, and gave them a National Constitution which is the Law of Moses aka YHWH(that's what the Law is called) for living in the Land of Canaan, commanding them to Obey all of His commandments to receive the promises contained. That is pretty much the long and short of Judaism.

Wilgrea7:


You're clearly missing my point. I think you misunderstood what I meant by "questioning your belief".

For example, the Yahwists believed in the gods Yahweh, and the other ones of the Pantheon known as Elohim. Now Imagine if someone were to ask the question "what proof do I have for the existence of this Pantheon, and how verifiable are the claims made about them?" That's what I mean by questioning the beliefs. It has nothing to do with Etymology of names

Read again, they are referred to as “yahwist” by scholars. The origin and history is explained there why not read it, it’s not a BELIEF SYSTEM,
Read slowly. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism
The origin of the word trace back to Semitic tribe.
I thought you said you have read on it?
These are too basic questions.
The “yahwists” believed, lol you think they are like other Christians and Muslims, that just explains all I need to know about you.

Wilgrea7:

My desire for the existence of a God has no effect on whether a god exists or not.

True! But it has an effect on the Truth Fullness of the Results of your enquiry.

Wilgrea7:

What if the "truth" leads someone to abandon their religion?

That is what Truth Does!

However, it means

1) You were on a Lie religion way.
2) You decided to abandon that Lie religion way and
3) You decided to enter into the Truth religion way.

Truth is just A Way but Abandoning or Non-Abandoning is your own doing!

Maynman:


Read again, they are referred to as “yahwist” by scholars. The origin and history is explained there why not read it, it’s not a BELIEF SYSTEM,
Read slowly. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism
The origin of the word trace back to Semitic tribe.
I thought you said you have read on it?
This are too basic questions

I apologize, but I'll need to end this discussion here.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss the questioning of beliefs, not to prove etymologies or whether or not Yahwism is more than a belief system or not

If you want to discuss this further, you are free to open a different thread, and I'll be more than happy to join you there.. but let's try not to derail this one.. thanks

Dtruthspeaker:


That is what Truth Does!

However, it means

1) You were on a Lie religion way.
2) You decided to abandon that Lie religion way and
3) You decided to enter into the Truth religion way.

Truth is just A Way but Abandoning or Non-Abandoning is your own doing!

I never said the truth was related to any religion. What of the truth makes someone an atheist?