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Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by MindHacker9009(m): 12:24pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by KnownUnknown: 12:31pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=114349990][/quote] You already said that. |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by budaatum: 1:08pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
MindHacker9009: Sorry Mindhacker, but if I "watch hours of youtube videos" I will be shown that records were kept but that does not make it true, and you might as well have said if I read the Bible for hours I'd be shown Gods exist or the earth is flat or that rats talk. Records were not recorded and kept as rigourously as you seem to think, and what was recorded did not survive intact from 334BC is what proper scholar investigations shows. There were no journalists posting news reports for instance, and even today with them, we would argue about the authenticity of their kept records. And that's apart from the fact that Jesus would have been a rather insignificant individual prior to his supposed crucifixion which is what may have made him popular outside the tiny region he was written to have peddled his wares. budaatum: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by budaatum: 1:19pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: Not to claim he existed or not, but "he didn’t exist at all" is one possible reason he may not have been known outside his stomping grounds. How about "he did exist but I wasn't interested enough", or "his stomping ground was not my stomping ground" or "I was too ignorant or busy to know about him then and I now claim he never existed at all"? I could after all be the most popular and famous individual in the Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun but not exist as far as an individual in Oshogbo or Kano was concerned. Basically, can I not be known and unknown at the same time? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by budaatum: 1:25pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
KnownUnknown, MindHacker9009, do note that there is a difference between the existence of a Jesus Christ, and the truth of what is read about a Jesus Christ in the Bible. While one may argue that no one literally walks on water or feeds thousands with a couple of loaves of bread and fish or raise the dead etc, that does not mean the person stories have been fabricated about did not exist. I can fabricate lies about the billions of roubles I have in my pocket and how I fly to the moon for breakfast every morning but that does not make my existence a lie. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by MindHacker9009(m): 1:27pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
@budaatum What is the oldest written history? The Epic of Gilgamesh started out as a series of Sumerian poems and tales dating back to 2100 B.C., but the most complete version was written around the 12th century B.C. by the Babylonians. https://www.history.com/news/what-is-the-oldest-known-piece-of-literature budaatum: 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 1:50pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
MindHacker9009: And yet, another deeper level of idiocy on display; 1. Are the content creators on that YouTube channel Jewish scholars and historians? Do they suddenly know the history of the Jews better than the Jews themselves? 2. Using your own logic against you, did these “researchers” exist between 6BC to 33AD in Israel as eye witnesses to confirm Jesus Christ never existed? Nauseating level of idiocy and bias on display from the supreme comedian of the multiverse 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by budaatum: 1:51pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
MindHacker9009: It's referred to as literature in what you posted, the "copying down essays, hymns, poetry and myths" that "started out as a series of Sumerian poems", and note how you [sneakily] changed that to history to increase its authenticity. If I do the same with the writings of Chinua Achebe, Okonkwo will be a historical figure in Things Fall Apart, which is what I think is what you are claiming was how Jesus was created. No? The Epic of Gilgamesh is not history, I suggest. |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 1:52pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
budaatum: Their level of intelligence is in single digits, I don’t expect them to comprehend the basic logic you explained here. My argument the whole time has always been on EXISTENCE. Theirs is just all over the place. |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 1:59pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: For the umpteenth time, that is not a white man. Understand the difference between an European and an Israeli. From the hair texture, skin tone etc. And by the way, you can find Colton Burpo, Akiane Kramarik and other witnesses who corroborate same…then argue with them. This is a different topic altogether which has been discussed on multiple threads on nairaland. You arrived very late to this party. |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by budaatum: 2:03pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
MindHacker9009: The below might better fit your authenticity test for history since it "provides information on the exchange of goods such as grains and fabric" likely by people who were exchanging them at the time, though I would add, more research required. A small collection of bone and ivory tags, pottery vessels, and clay seal impressions were uncovered at the Umm el Qu’ab necropolis in Abydos, Egypt. The artifacts contain what are believed to be the earliest known Egyptian writing. The hieroglyphs date to between 3400 – 3200 BCE and are the oldest recorded history discovered so far in the world. |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by budaatum: 2:04pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
OkCornel: Kindly direct with a link so this convo is not further derailed. |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by budaatum: 2:12pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
OkCornel: One thing I have learnt is, to increase my own level of intelligence I must increase the level of intelligence around me by letting my light shine amongst my fellow human beings so my fellow human beings shine their lights more. By doing so are we all more enlightened and our level of intelligence increases. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 2:25pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
budaatum: True words. If they choose to be enlightened though. |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by MindHacker9009(m): 3:05pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
Unlike @OkCornel and co that keeps shining their ignorance on the this public forum budaatum: |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by MindHacker9009(m): 3:08pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
budaatum: Interesting we need to keep researching, but @OkCornel and co remain in their ignorance |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 3:22pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
MindHacker9009: Unfortunately your ignorance has upgraded to eternal status. When you provide evidences of JEWISH scholars and historians unanimously denying the existence of Jesus Christ, let us know. I don’t want to see pseudo history from non-Jews. Unless your argument is a foreigner suddenly knows the history and culture of the natives better than the natives themselves. Very very basic logic. |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 3:23pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
MindHacker9009: And your years of research has not provided evidences of Jewish scholars and historians unanimously denying the existence of Jesus Christ. Pitiable waste of effort. |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by orisa37: 3:25pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
"JESUS CHRIST" IS AN IDEA, NOT AN IDOL, OF THE SPIRIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND WAYS TO SUPREME SALVATION. THE IDEA REPRESENTS ABSOLUTE OBEDIENCE, ANOINTED SAVING CHARACTERS, THE GRACE, THE WAYS, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, TO BE GODLIKE. "GOD" TOO IS ENGLISH, GRAND ORDER DIVINE. AN IDEA REPRESENTING OMNI "GI-ANT" REPLICA OF ALL VICES AND VIRTUES, INSTRUCTOR AND WISDOM, DIRECTOR AND KNOWLEDGE, DISCERNMENT AND UNDERSTANDING, RICHES AND WEALTH, POWER AND MIGHT, HONOUR AND GLORY, MAJESTY AND WORSHIP, SECURITY, SAFETY AND SUCCESS. THE WORD TOO IS ENGLISH REPRESENTING IDEAS CONCEIVED, EXPRESSED OR SPOKEN LIKE TRIBES, ETHNICS, ETHICS, ZONES, COUNTRIES, ROME, ENGLAND, NIGERIA, PUTIN, RUSSIA ETCETERA ETCETERA. PLANNING BUDGETARY CONTROL, WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM IN DIFFERENT AREAS ARE WORDS THAT WERE WITH GOD IN HIS FEELING, THINKING AND REASONING IN THE BEGINNING AND ARE STILL GOD TODAY AND FOREVER. HAPPY IMAGINATIONS. ORISAORUNTO SPEAKS FROM ORUNTO27. |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:28pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
OkCornel: A mad woman in my area is known as "prof" because she often talks about her knowledge in philosophy. But what baffles me most? She only has all the research of toiletries, worn-out shoes! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 3:33pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Rib cracking!! |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:32pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
OkCornel: What is the usefulness of the research that's not profitable/benefitial to the researcher? Whenever they say they're making research on anything i laugh because their unending research is neither profitable to them or their neighbours. So what's the essence? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by MindHacker9009(m): 4:41pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
@OkCornel To show your level of ignorance you cannot name any other Jewish historian who has claimed the existence of "Jesus Christ" or your "Chrestus" apart from Flavius Josephus not born during the time of your Chrestus and who was working for the Roman empire against his fellow Jews who see him as a traitor to the Jews OkCornel: 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 4:52pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
MindHacker9009: I guess Matthew, John (the disciples of Jesus Christ) and James, Jude (the younger brothers of Jesus Christ) are no longer Jewish eye witnesses right? When will you stop reinforcing your eternal ignorance? And why do the Jewish scholars and historians past and present don’t unanimously deny the existence of Jesus Christ? Are you this slow that you can’t connect the dots? |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by budaatum: 5:04pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
OkCornel: It's not they who must choose to be enlightened but me who should enlighten myself, or Christ, whether he ever lived or not, is crucified by my very ignorant self. 2 Likes
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Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by budaatum: 5:07pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
orisa37: I don't listen to you much for some odd reason, probably because you shout in caps, but this is worth hearing. Would you accept that Gods are ideas too? |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by budaatum: 5:18pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
MindHacker9009: We all shine our ignorance on this forum. Take the subject at hand. People who have done notable extensive research, evidenced by the fact that they wrote books with footnotes and references, have not come to a conclusion about the existence or not of a Jesus Christ, but we who's research is limited to reading what they wrote want to use their research to claim he did or did not exist. Does that not show how much we shine our ignorance, and prejudice, and belief? |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by budaatum: 5:20pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
budaatum: I changed the "more" to the italics as it better expresses my learning. |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by KnownUnknown: 6:02pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
budaatum: What truth is read in the Bible? The word “truth” ceases to have any discernible meaning when it comes to religious beliefs. In normal usage truth is that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality. What is in accordance with reality about mythology of the jews that y’all place on a pedestal? What truth is read about the Jew with the Graeco Roman name who was the “Christ”? Abraham Lincoln’s existence does not validate the movie Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter Just like the existence of a Yeshua in the 1st century does not mean he was a “Christ” and all that it entails. |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by MindHacker9009(m): 6:10pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
E.g: If we are told by the europeans after they destroyed the Ifa temple and took all the artifacts to Europe, that Ifa mated with a virgin and the virgin gave bath to a messiah and was crucified by the europeans when they were occupying Nigeria, then Ifa messiah rose up on the 3rd promised to come back soon for his followers and ascended into heaven but for over 2000 years the Ifa messiah has not returned. Now imagine that all Ifa priests are saying that Ifa has never promised to mate with a woman and their Ifa messiah has not come and the Europeans that destroyed the Ifa temple are telling you that Ifa mated with a virgin and the virgin gave birth to the Ifa messiah. It is pure ignorance for those who believe the above when the Jews whose messiah is now the made up "Jesus Chris" to mock them after they were conquered. budaatum:
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Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by KnownUnknown: 6:12pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
budaatum: Or he didn’t exist at all because mythology and allegory do not relate fact and at best embellished tales if not outright lies. Shango could be after all the most famous Yoruba king but not exist as far as an individual in Shanghai is concerned. Regardless, he couldn’t send thunderbolts to harm his enemies because that is an obvious incredible and improbable claim. |
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by KnownUnknown: 6:21pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
OkCornel: Lmao. Stop talking about anyone’s intelligence dude. You with the Chi Town white boy Jesus. Even if one ignores the probability of the “pious fraud” and agree that the dude really did exist, what does that prove? Does it now prove a virgin gave birth to him in a manger, or that he could perform supernatural acts, or that the he was the son of the Jewish god? The god of Israel has to be real for it to even have an “only begotten son” with a Greek name. There is usually no argument about the existence of Mohammed but does his existence prove the incredible claims made about him or justify the madness of the Islamist murderers? EA Adeboye exists and is a very pious man. But does that prove that he drove 300km on an empty gas tank like he claimed? |
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