07kjb:


When an important issue like this is going on u bring out your stupidity

May my investments and your investment in life not be worth next to nothing.

codemaniacs:


Your problem is you are limiting yourself to the north..

Your problem is thinking the U:K and somr other foreign countries won't support the north. They were the ones who joined north and south Nigeria due to the balance of trade losses northern Nigeria was making..

Support the north in what aspect, support the north as in the fulanis or the north as in the hausas. because as it is now the foreign countries have long labelled the fulani ethnic group as a terrorist organisation.

lereinter:


Hope you know your own problem too.

So it's the north that is building dangote refinery

Any doc to back it up

Why don't you say the just launched pinnacle depot in Lagos is built by the se.

Now you're getting the point

due to pin:nacle depot been in Lagos there is a possibility of it having Yoruba employees... same with Da:ngote's refinery..

the owner of the business decides who to employ and employment is empowerment... and most employers will employ people that are the same ethnicity as them...

those businesses da:ngote refinery and Pin:nacle depot will definitely have more non-Yorubas in their employment...

that is why ownership is important...

babajero:
Support the north in what aspect, support the north as in the fulanis or the north as in the hausas. because as it is now the foreign countries have long labelled the fulani ethnic group as a terrorist organisation.

Support the fulanis... they supported fulani conquest of the Hausa empire and also supported the fulani against the Oyo empire but the Oyo empire fought back and killed thousands of them before the br:itish called for a peace agreement where the br:itish handed Kwara to the fulani despite the Yo:rubas killing them and chasing them out and even destroying the bridge that connected Kwara to the north.

ElSudani:


It doesn't work that way in Abuja. He even got impeached twice in Anambra meaning he didn't have a firm control of the legislature. The same scenario is going to play out in Abuja.

He got impeached twice and was reinstated twice.
If it eventually happens he would still be given a letter of return.
Who God be for none can be against.

gidgiddy:


Now you understand why Ojukwu declared Biafra more than 50 years ago

After the selfish Aguiyi Ironsi messed up the regional government under which every region was flourishing at the their pace, right? Aguiyi Ironsi was one of the biggest enemies of this country.

The grammars in this thread ehn...

hedonido:
How exactly will restructuring or true federalism 'end' Nigeria's economic stagnation? How? I'm curious.

The clamour for restructuring and true federalism would clearly give greater control to the federating units/regions, and promote a sense of localised power, but that's even unlikely - because the minorities within each region would still cry out about inequalities and marginalisation.

Then of course the most immediate reality that would emanate from true federalism is that the core North would be absolutely penurized because the largesses they have unfairly enjoyed for decades would be eliminated. So of course there would be no near term 'improvement' in the economy of the North. Rather, their economic woes will be x10 of what it is today.

The truth is that true federalism or restructuring is more a cry for justice - justice for the South specifically - than anything else. That's why the North cannot and will never entertain any such talk.

If only we ubderstand the � agriculture can fetch us..Northern landmass is a blessing only PO & his likes see..when leaders arise,9ja will stand. The constitution is equally a scam.

codemaniacs:


Your problem is you think the regions will be competing to out develop each other..

Why compete when they can use violence to illegally take over a region.

When Nigeria practiced regionalism the Ig:bos through the prime minister Azikwe gave every federal government jobs in every region to the Igbos and that's why there's a video of the then premier of northern Nigeria warning about the Igbos and an audio of Akintola also warning about the Igbos.

And Azikwe still wanted to be premier of the western region just because at that time the western region was the richest region. They were jealous of the western region.

Was that the narrative your father or your elders gave you? How many federal government job existed in regional system of government that will make another region take over another region through federal government jobs.

Azikiwe wanted to be the premier because he was at the forefront of Nigeria gaining independence. The Eastern region was the richest region, the East controlled all the natural resources right from the time of coal, the only relevance the Western region have then was that the capital territory was located in Lagos and it was the seat of power. Do you think your forefathers were fools when they fought tooth and nail to prevent the East from seceding? The western region would have been a waste land if Igbos seceded, moreover the Igbos never wanted to secede, all the Igbos wanted was to practice an autonomous government with an aboriginal constitution that will make the eastern region develop at its own pace.

decision01:
If only we ubderstand the � agriculture can fetch us..Northern landmass is a blessing only PO & his likes see..when leaders arise,9ja will stand. The constitution is equally a scam.

Shit hole countries like Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and Sudan have larger landmass than Nigeria... How has that made them economic champions or even agricultural powerhouses? The Netherlands is an agriculture powerhouse, but its landmass is less than our Niger State alone, so what are we not understanding here?

Look, it takes serious technical knowledge, organization, discipline, consistent and targeted resource allocation and application...and most of all, outstanding human capital to convert mere land to wealth, or to create something out of nothing. The North doesn't have that and cannot miraculously muster that in the next 50 years, even if we restructure today. Let us stop being too optimistic about these things.

Sir, I enjoy readying your point of view on the constitution review but I can bet with anything Nigeria can’t work again be true fed or anything.. the fact that all sectors, institutions, religions, regions everything concerning Nigeria is corrupt and damage, nothing can work again.. a country that the citizens doesn’t have a say what do you expect.. even ordinary election is a scam. My advice is… everybody should go their way. That’s the best solution. Thank you and have a wonderful day.

hedonido:
The truth is that true federalism or restructuring is more a cry for justice - justice for the South specifically - than anything else. That's why the North cannot and will never entertain any such talk.

That's the end...

Sheggy13:

After the selfish Aguiyi Ironsi messed up the regional government under which every region was flourishing at the their pace, right? Aguiyi Ironsi was one of the biggest enemies of this country.

If there is anyone who messed up Regionalism, it was Gowon who abolished the 4 Regions we had with his useless Decree 14, created 12 states and removed resource control

babajero:
Was that the narrative your father or your elders gave you? How many federal government job existed in regional system of government that will make another region take over another region through federal government jobs.

Azikiwe wanted to be the premier because he was at the forefront of Nigeria gaining independence. The Eastern region was the richest region, the East controlled all the natural resources right from the time of coal, the only relevance the Western region have then was that the capital territory was located in Lagos and it was the seat of power. Do you think your forefathers were fools when they fought tooth and nail to prevent the East from seceding? The western region would have been a waste land if Igbos seceded, moreover the Igbos never wanted to secede, all the Igbos wanted was to practice an autonomous government with an aboriginal constitution that will make the eastern region develop at its own pace.

forefathers fought the Igbos because the Igbos were attacking Ore.. they didn't fight to prevent the Igbos from seceding.

Igbos wanted complete control of all regions in Nigeria they never wanted a separate country..

Eastern region was already developing at their own pace during regionalism.

codemaniacs:


Support the fulanis... they supported fulani conquest of the Hausa empire and also supported the fulani against the Oyo empire but the Oyo empire fought back and killed thousands of them before the br:itish called for a peace agreement where the br:itish handed Kwara to the fulani despite the Yo:rubas killing them and chasing them out and even destroying the bridge that connected Kwara to the north.

All this your tribalistic history will not help you. The fulanis have already conquered Kwara before proceeding to Oyo, there is nothing like the British handed it over to them, the greed and stupidity of Yorubas handed it over to them.

In the case of hausas it was their shortsightedness that affected them, because the fulanis entered Hausa land as friends, merchants and saints but the hausas didn't know that the devil came disguised in human form, before they realised it they have already infiltrated their people. That was even before the colonization of Nigeria by the British

Aso rock needs serious prayer

Toks2008:
Nigeria problem is not really about leadership but of structural anomaly brought about by a failed constitution of 1979 and amended in 1999...This is the reason why any elected president will never make any viable progress because the present constitution is very inimical to the progress of Nigeria.

Even if Jesus comes down to rule Nigeria, he will definitely restructure the entire failed system first before assuming power because even the scriptures attest in the books of psalms 11vs3 "If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?"

As 2023 approaches, rather than drumming up support for any candidate or any party, Nigerians should clamor for a total overhaul of the 1979/99 constitution that has stagnated the country for several years because in my opinion, no matter who gets there, no substantial progress can ever be made with the present structure and we will only keep going round and round in circles for many years to come.

More saddening is that the leaders in political offices know this but have vehemently refused to do anything about it simply because the present unproductive structure comes with so much largesse for them.

Nigerians should come together to demand that the country returns to the 1960/63 constitution which reflects true federalism with regions as federating units or restructure the present system to allow True federation.

This will end the economic stagnation of many years, accelerate national growth, put an end to the clamor for secession and foster the unity of Nigeria thereby making her more productive, more powerful and more dominant on the global economic scene.

Before the next President embarks on any task, restructuring must be done else all his efforts will be futile and will end up like his predecessors.

codemaniacs:


forefathers fought the Igbos because the Igbos were attacking Ore.. they didn't fight to prevent the Igbos from seceding.

Igbos wanted complete control of all regions in Nigeria they never wanted a separate country..

Eastern region was already developing at their own pace during regionalism.

Your forefathers started fighting the Igbos even before the actual war began. What do you think started the war? Have you ever heard about the Aburi Accord? Awolowo was the main cause of the war in case you don't know.

babajero:
All this your tribalistic history will not help you. The fulanis have already conquered Kwara before proceeding to Oyo, there is nothing like the British handed it over to them, the greed and stupidity of Yorubas handed it over to them.

In the case of hausas it was their shortsightedness that affected them, because the fulanis entered Hausa land as friends, merchants and saints but the hausas didn't know that the devil came disguised in human form, before they realised it they have already infiltrated their people. That was even before the colonization of Nigeria by the British

Kwara is upper Oyo..

Hundreds of years before Fulani invaded hausa empire the Fulani were in northern Africa but eu:ropeans using the name "ar;abs" invaded northern Africa killed off the indigenes and enslaved and isla:mized the remaining.

In summary,
Fulanis are descendants of Ara:b/Eur:opean slavery from North Africa who were trained to wage war against the rest of Africa especially west Africa..
So yes the Bri:tish hands things to them.

This is why I'm calling for restructuring and decentralisation of power, that's the only way Nigeria can be great

babajero:
Your forefathers started fighting the Igbos even before the actual war began. What do you think started the war? Have you ever heard about the Aburi Accord? Awolowo was the main cause of the war in case you don't know.

The war was meant be north vs Igbo war but the Ig:bos decided to attack the SW... Igbos and the north had been fighting since the 1940s.

Igbos were been in the north in the 1950s.. no Igbo person was killed in the SW.

Awolowo was not the cause of the war.. Igbo greed and covetous nature of what is not theirs was the cause of the war.

codemaniacs:


Kwara is upper Oyo..

Hundreds of years before Fulani invaded hausa empire the Fulani were in northern Africa but eu:ropeans using the name "ar;abs" invaded northern Africa killed off the indigenes and enslaved and isla:mized the remaining.

In summary,
Fulanis are descendants of Ara:b/Eur:opean slavery from North Africa who were trained to wage war against the rest of Africa especially west Africa..
So yes the Bri:tish hands things to them.

So what you are trying to say is that the British created the Arabs and the fulanis?

Please be teaching Yoruba people history, they will really love your kind of history.

babajero:
So what you are trying to say is that the British created the Arabs and the fulanis?

Please be teaching Yoruba people history, they will really love your kind of history.

A:rabs are descendants of eu:ropeans..

Wasn't it the Br:itish that moved to the A:merican continent and started calling themselves ame:ricans

Didn't the du:tch also move to southern Africa and started calling themselves Afrikaans

babajero:
The Eastern region was the richest region.

If the Eastern region was the richest region then the Eastern leaders would have never started a coup and a war...

codemaniacs:


The war was meant be north vs Igbo war but the Ig:bos decided to attack the SW... Igbos and the north had been fighting since the 1940s.

Igbos were been in the north in the 1950s.. no Igbo person was killed in the SW.

Awolowo was not the cause of the war.. Igbo greed and covetous nature of what is not theirs was the cause of the war.

I will ask you again, have you heard about Aburi Accord held in Ghana and what transpired after the Accord? What greed are you really talking about, the East controlled everything. it was the envy of the south west and the greed of Awolowo that started the war, the same greed Tinubu is exhibiting today that may likely kill him or plunge Yorubas into dire consequences.

codemaniacs:


If the Eastern region was the richest region then the Eastern leaders would have never started a coup and a war...

Tell me the richest region and tell me in what aspects that made them the richest.

codemaniacs:


A:rabs are descendants of eu:ropeans..

Wasn't it the Br:itish that moved to the A:merican continent and started calling themselves ame:ricans

Didn't the du:tch also move to southern Africa and started calling themselves Afrikaans

I thought I was arguing with a normal person, now I know you are deranged.

babajero:
I will ask you again, have you heard about Aburi Accord held in Ghana and what transpired after the Accord? What greed are you really talking about, the East controlled everything. it was the envy of the south west and the greed of Awolowo that started the war, the same greed Tinubu is exhibiting today that may likely kill him or plunge Yorubas into dire consequences.

babajero:
Tell me the richest region and tell me in what aspects that made them the richest.

SW had and still have nothing to envy in the Igbos.. the first school, first University , first radio station , first t.v station , biggest cocoa plantation, biggest cassava plantation , biggest okro plantation, biggest banana plantation, biggest plantains plantation e.t.c.

babajero:
I thought I was arguing with a normal person, now I know you are deranged.

I was the one that stooped so low to educate you.

You're a mental institution fugitive.

gidgiddy:


If there is anyone who messed up Regionalism, it was Gowon who abolished the 4 Regions we had with his useless Decree 14, created 12 states and removed resource control

Gosh, do you even need to argue this?Everyone knows Ironsi greedily grabbed onto power and began running a Unitary government as against the flourishing regional federal system he met in place. Gowon simply built upon what Ironsi did and took it to a more wicked dimension. Don't make excuses for Ironsi. He was the architect of the mess Nigeria became.

You got hold of his neck so tight, please ensure not to suffocate him.

hedonido:


You've not said anything in response to specific concerns raised. Such escapist brevity doesn't signpost wit or wisdom.

Sheggy13:

Gosh, do you even need to argue this?Everyone knows Ironsi greedily grabbed onto power and began running a Unitary government as against the flourishing regional federal system he met in place. Gowon simply built upon what Ironsi did and took it to a more wicked dimension. Don't make excuses for Ironsi. He was the architect of the mess Nigeria became.

Thats the lie that has been told for a long time because Nigerian history has never been taught

In reality, Ironsi did not abolish any Region, he did not remove resource control, and he kept the revenue sharing formular agreed at independence, between the Regions and the government

It was Gowon that came after Ironsi and enacted Decree 14 which abolished the 4 Regions all together, replaced them with 12 new states, and removed resource control. Gowon's Decree 14 can be found online but the first page below says it all

The only thing Ironsi can be accused of is that he helped subvert democracy by taking over, but thats an entirely different thing

But anyone who says it was Ironsi that brought down Regionalism and introduced unitary rule is someone who is is either lying to themselves, or is ignorant because they have not yet read Gowon's Decree 14.

Toks2008:
Nigeria problem is not really about leadership but of structural anomaly brought about by a failed constitution of 1979 and amended in 1999...This is the reason why any elected president will never make any viable progress because the present constitution is very inimical to the progress of Nigeria.

Even if Jesus comes down to rule Nigeria, he will definitely restructure the entire failed system first before assuming power because even the scriptures attest in the books of psalms 11vs3 "If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?"

As 2023 approaches, rather than drumming up support for any candidate or any party, Nigerians should clamor for a total overhaul of the 1979/99 constitution that has stagnated the country for several years because in my opinion, no matter who gets there, no substantial progress can ever be made with the present structure and we will only keep going round and round in circles for many years to come.

More saddening is that the leaders in political offices know this but have vehemently refused to do anything about it simply because the present unproductive structure comes with so much largesse for them.

Nigerians should come together to demand that the country returns to the 1960/63 constitution which reflects true federalism with regions as federating units or restructure the present system to allow True federation.

This will end the economic stagnation of many years, accelerate national growth, put an end to the clamor for secession and foster the unity of Nigeria thereby making her more productive, more powerful and more dominant on the global economic scene.

Before the next President embarks on any task, restructuring must be done else all his efforts will be futile and will end up like his predecessors.

I've heard this restructure statement a thousand times.....what exactly does it mean sef