MightySparrow:

[53]Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
[54]Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
[55]For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56]He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
[57]As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
[58]This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

John 6:53-58


These are the very words of Jesus.

The question is: why would Father need a Son for the redemption of mankind?

Where is it said that the Father NEED to have a Son?

Of course, Jesus is the Son but your Question presupposes that the Father NEED to have a Son: does he?

Persia assisted the Babylonian Jews to resettle into Palestine led by Nehemiah. Cyrus was the Persian King. They were able to settle but Rome rose and subdued the whole area including Israel/Palestine. It was because of the Roman occupation of Israel that the Jews needed a messiah son of David To rescue them from Roman rule. Many political messiahs rose and were crushed by Rome. The Romans did not allow a particular one of the messiahs to be buried because his followers will start a rumour that he has resurrected. They therefore left the body to rot in a gully. The need for a nationalist hero to save the Jews from Rome is the foundation of Christianity, though Jesus unlike other messiahs did not rise in arms against Rome as did others before and after him until Israel was sacked around AD 70 by Rome. After then the Jesus story was tinged by Grecian, Egyptian and European theology to form modern Christianity.

lawani:
Persia assisted the Babylonian Jews to resettle into Palestine led by Nehemiah. Cyrus was the Persian King. They were able to settle but Rome rose and subdued the whole area including Israel/Palestine. It was because of the Roman occupation of Israel that the Jews needed a messiah son of David To rescue them from Roman rule. Many political messiahs rose and were crushed by Rome. The Romans did not allow a particular one of the messiahs to be buried because his followers will start a rumour that he has resurrected. They therefore left the body to rot in a gully. The need for a nationalist hero to save the Jews from Rome is the foundation of Christianity, though Jesus unlike other messiahs did not rise in arms against Rome as did others before and after him until Israel was sacked around AD 70 by Rome. After then the Jesus story was tinged by Grecian, Egyptian and European theology to form modern Christianity.

Well you tried in your attempt to lay a historical foundation to the whole concept of a Messiah. But what you must understand is that Messiah simply means anointed king or priest. Anointed for kingship or priest hood. It is not even a big thing. The heart and soul of the Jewish religion is the Torah...
They only longed for a king that would raise up a great army and defeat their enemy and restore peace. Such a king would be backed by God else he would not succeed.
It is the idea of a Messiah of the Jews that the Catholics used in creating the jesus character. He was created from mistranslation of the Tanakh.
The gospel stories themselves comes from ancient tales about Marduk. Marduk is the son of Enlil and the creator of the universe...but he was never a MAN.

Kobojunkie:
He actually doesn't need prophets that is why John the Baptist was the last of the prophets sent by God before His New Covenant, Jesus Christ took over. Recall that God said that inHis New Covenant, Jesus Christ, He alone will teach those who would learn of Himself - Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34

You're confusing yourself with this your statement. You said he doesn't need prophets, you went further by saying John Baptist was the last of the prophets which means there are many prophets before John the Baptist. If God doesn't need any prophet, he won't have sent any prophet to teach the truth and interprets his word. That's the point👌

RightChannel:
You're confusing yourself with this your statement. You said he doesn't need prophets, you went further by saying John Baptist was the last of the prophets which means there are many prophets before John the Baptist. If God doesn't need any prophet, he won't have sent any prophet to teach the truth and interprets his word. That's the point👌

I am afraid you are wrong in your assessment of my position! God sent prophets in His Old Law because the people specifically asked Him to do that. Go read through the books of the Law - Exodus in particular - to learn of this. John the Baptist was the last of the Old Covenant Prophets of God, this all a part of the sealing of visions and prophets.

God has not sent any prophets to men after that. Those who teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ are brothers and sisters sent to fish their own brothers and sisters -- Israel. None of them permitted to sit as Prophet, Teacher, Counselor, Helper, etc., over those they are sent to.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you are wrong in your assessment of my position! God sent prophets in His Old Law because the people specifically asked Him to do that. Go read through the books of the Law - Exodus in particular - to learn of this. John the Baptist was the last of the Old Covenant Prophets of God, this all a part of the sealing of visions and prophets.

God has not sent any prophets to men after that. Those who teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ are brothers and sisters sent to fish their own brothers and sisters -- Israel. None of them permitted to sit as Prophet, Teacher, Counselor, Helper, etc., over those they are sent to.

In your previous statement you said God doesn't need prophets but you believed that he sent John and Prophets in his old law, why not address your dilemma and confusion first and come here again after regaining your health back?

RightChannel:
■ In your previous statement you said God doesn't need prophets but you believed that he sent John and Prophets in his old law, why not address your dilemma and confusion first and come here again after regaining your health back?

1. The Israelites asked God specifically for prophets and He obliged them. Does not then mean God Himself needs prophets. No need to create a dilemma where there is none to be had.

Kobojunkie:
1. The Israelites asked God specifically for prophets and He obliged them. Does not then mean God Himself needs prophets. No need to create a dilemma where there is none to be had.

So Israelites asked God for Prophet Isaiah, Elijah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Samuel, Amos, Joel, Jonah, Daniel, Aaron, Huldah, Nathan, Enoch, Hosea, Joshua, Gideon, Zephaniah, etc right?

Always attend Bible class if at all you're a Christian. Israelites only asked God for a King and not a prophet

RightChannel:
■ So Israelites asked God for Prophet Isaiah, Elijah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Samuel, Amos, Joel, Jonah, Daniel, Aaron, Huldah, Nathan, Enoch, Hosea, Joshua, Gideon, Zephaniah, etc right?
■ Always attend Bible class if at all you're a Christian. Israelites only asked God for a King and not a prophet

1. It is written right there in the book of Exodus for all who are able to comprehend written language to glean.

2. Attendance and dependence on your bible classes is probably the reason for your clear ignorance of what is in fact written in the book.

Kobojunkie:
1. It is written right there in the book of Exodus for all who are able to comprehend written language to glean.

Quote the chapter and verse as you read from the book of Exodus

Kobojunkie:
1.
2. Attendance and dependence on your bible classes is probably the reason for your clear ignorance of what is in fact written in the book.

In your own oblivious and obtuse understanding, Israelite asked God for a prophet right? 😂

RightChannel:
■ Quote the chapter and verse as you read from the book of Exodus
■ In your own oblivious and obtuse understanding, Israelite asked God for a prophet right? 😂

1. So you still don't want to read the book for yourself as you are instead clearly looking to men to continue spoon feeding you as far as what God did in Scripture? When will you people learn?

2. Ignorance is not bliss especially in the information age that we live in.

MightySparrow:

[53]Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
[54]Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
[55]For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56]He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
[57]As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
[58]This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

John 6:53-58


These are the very words of Jesus.

The question is: why would Father need a Son for the redemption of mankind?

Is there ANYWHERE where the Father mentioned a NEED for a Son?

Secondly,

Is there ANYWHERE where the Father mentioned a NEED for a Son for REDEMPTION of Mankind?

Kobojunkie:
1. So you still don't want to read the book for yourself as you are instead clearly looking to men to continue spoon feeding you as far as what God did in Scripture? When will you people learn?

2. Ignorance is not bliss especially in the information age that we live in.

Where in the book of Exodus did you read it from that the Israelites ask God for a prophet? Very simple and straight forward question, you shouldn't be crying like a new born baby just because I asked you a question

RightChannel:
Where in the book of Exodus did you read it from that the Israelites ask God for a prophet? Very simple and straight forward question, you shouldn't be crying like a new born baby just because I asked you a question

Abegi waka pass!

Kobojunkie:
Abegi waka pass!

You mean the question is hard for you to answer, you brought this on yourself and to show where you read it from in the book of Exodus is problem

TenQ:
Is there ANYWHERE where the Father mentioned a NEED for a Son?
Secondly, Is there ANYWHERE where the Father mentioned a NEED for a Son for REDEMPTION of Mankind?

God technically didn't need a Son but God Himself by agreeing to the requests made by the Israelites created a situation sort of requiring a Son - born not just of the blood of Jacob but also of David - to sit in His stead over Israel.

▪︎ God agreed to send prophets to the people from among their brethren
▪︎ God also agreed to set up sons of Israel as King over Israel - no foreigner has ever ruled over them in their land as King
▪︎ God set up Israelites as Priests over His people declaring that no foreigner can sit as Priests in the land over His people
▪︎ God also agreed to set up a King forever of the House of Israel..

You put that all together and you find that God created that need for Himself.

RightChannel:
You mean the question is hard for you to answer, you brought this on yourself and to show where you read it from in the book of Exodus is problem

Abeg waka pass me in your ignorance!

TenQ:

Is there ANYWHERE where the Father mentioned a NEED for a Son?

Secondly,

Is there ANYWHERE where the Father mentioned a NEED for a Son for REDEMPTION of Mankind?

You are a Muslim, you don't have a part in our covenant.

[11]And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
[12]That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Mark 4:11-12

Be preparing for your Al - Jaanah and enjoy your houris.

MightySparrow:


You are a Muslim, you don't have a part in our covenant.

[11]And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
[12]That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Mark 4:11-12

Be preparing for your Al - Jaanah and enjoy your houris.

You mean well but I think you may need to rephrase your headline

God does not NEED ANYTHING from His Creations. We are the ones who NEED Redemption from our Sin.



I think the topic should be:
Why did God Establish a Pure Sacrifice for Redemption from Sin


1. The sacrifice of animals is inferior to the value of man's life
2. Since all humans are in a fallen state, it is impossible for any man to be a sacrifice even for himself not to speak of others
3. Because of God's love, He prepared His own "Sacrificial LAMB", Perfect, Pure, Divine and Human ALL at the same time

WHY?
1. Violation to the Integrity of God (Sin) is EXTREMELY Serious and thus with no exception MUST be punished with a perpetual disconnection from God (second death).
2. God's LOVE for man made Him arrange a means to free man from the CONSEQUENCE of his Sin without Violating God's Integrity. Thus freedom for man come at an Infinite COST which of course he cannot finish paying (man's punishment should be perpetual)
3. Only an Infinite VALUE of Life can ATONE for the sin of man which is found only in God HIMSELF as the Christ. For no creature is allowed to get away with Violation of God's Integrity
4. The Life of God Himself as Christ thus become an Offering for Sin. The punishment is served in Full
5. He who hides in the Banner of Christ benefit from the Sacrifice and thus reckoned by God as BORN AGAIN, not of flesh and Blood, but of God's Spirit. These are the Children of God, saved by Grace.


Eph 2:8-9:
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Thanks Bro!

Kobojunkie:
God technically didn't need a Son but God Himself by agreeing to the requests made by the Israelites created a situation sort of requiring a Son - born not just of the blood of Jacob but also of David - to sit in His stead over Israel.

▪︎ God agreed to send prophets to the people from among their brethren
▪︎ God also agreed to set up sons of Israel as King over Israel - no foreigner has ever ruled over them in their land as King
▪︎ God set up Israelites as Priests over His people declaring that no foreigner can sit as Priests in the land over His people
▪︎ God also agreed to set up a King forever of the House of Israel..

You put that all together and you find that God created that need for Himself.

I am not comfortable with the word NEED as it is a description of DEFICIENCY!

A better word might be REQUIRE, as this is about what God Designed to Be!


God doesn't Need to save Man, He would lose nothing by BLOTTING us out of existence and creating new beings.

We on the other hand NEED Redemption that only God can provide.

Thanks bro

RightChannel:


You mean the question is hard for you to answer, you brought this on yourself and to show where you read it from in the book of Exodus is problem

you see he couldn't answer the question. That is they go about misleading others.


That is how one evil Jehovah witness said the Lord Jesus Christ is angel Michael

TenQ:

You mean well but I think you may need to rephrase your headline

God does not NEED ANYTHING from His Creations. We are the ones who NEED Redemption from our Sin.



I think the topic should be:
Why did God Establish a Pure Sacrifice for Redemption from Sin


1. The sacrifice of animals is inferior to the value of man's life
2. Since all humans are in a fallen state, it is impossible for any man to be a sacrifice even for himself not to speak of others
3. Because of God's love, He prepared His own "Sacrificial LAMB", Perfect, Pure, Divine and Human ALL at the same time

WHY?
1. Violation to the Integrity of God (Sin) is EXTREMELY Serious and thus with no exception MUST be punished with a perpetual disconnection from God (second death).
2. God's LOVE for man made Him arrange a means to free man from the CONSEQUENCE of his Sin without Violating God's Integrity. Thus freedom for man come at an Infinite COST which of course he cannot finish paying (man's punishment should be perpetual)
3. Only an Infinite VALUE of Life can ATONE for the sin of man which is found only in God HIMSELF as the Christ. For no creature is allowed to get away with Violation of God's Integrity
4. The Life of God Himself as Christ thus become an Offering for Sin. The punishment is served in Full
5. He who hides in the Banner of Christ benefit from the Sacrifice and thus reckoned by God as BORN AGAIN, not of flesh and Blood, but of God's Spirit. These are the Children of God, saved by Grace.


Eph 2:8-9:
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Thanks Bro!

Oh, my brother.
I thought you are a Muslim.
The likes of Antichristian can make one angry beyond measure.

I appreciate your exposition and correction.
Thanks a lot.

TenQ:

You mean well but I think you may need to rephrase your headline

God does not NEED ANYTHING from His Creations. We are the ones who NEED Redemption from our Sin.



I think the topic should be:
Why did God Establish a Pure Sacrifice for Redemption from Sin


1. The sacrifice of animals is inferior to the value of man's life
2. Since all humans are in a fallen state, it is impossible for any man to be a sacrifice even for himself not to speak of others
3. Because of God's love, He prepared His own "Sacrificial LAMB", Perfect, Pure, Divine and Human ALL at the same time

WHY?
1. Violation to the Integrity of God (Sin) is EXTREMELY Serious and thus with no exception MUST be punished with a perpetual disconnection from God (second death).
2. God's LOVE for man made Him arrange a means to free man from the CONSEQUENCE of his Sin without Violating God's Integrity. Thus freedom for man come at an Infinite COST which of course he cannot finish paying (man's punishment should be perpetual)
3. Only an Infinite VALUE of Life can ATONE for the sin of man which is found only in God HIMSELF as the Christ. For no creature is allowed to get away with Violation of God's Integrity
4. The Life of God Himself as Christ thus become an Offering for Sin. The punishment is served in Full
5. He who hides in the Banner of Christ benefit from the Sacrifice and thus reckoned by God as BORN AGAIN, not of flesh and Blood, but of God's Spirit. These are the Children of God, saved by Grace.


Eph 2:8-9:
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Thanks Bro!

Lol! I’ve made you hate the word “need” and you now prefer “required”. Hahahaha potential thief forming intellectual 🤣🤣😜😜😜


Anyways, what do you have to say about this: https://twitter.com/davidhundeyin/status/1627668190053507073?s=48&t=TFPUfK0qrYC5iaowqUf58A ?

Could that be the reason you’re such a nuisance, ehn potential thief TenQ ? 🤷‍♂️

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TenQ:
■ I am not comfortable with the word NEED as it is a description of DEFICIENCY! A better word might be REQUIRE, as this is about what God Designed to Be!
■ God doesn't Need to save Man, He would lose nothing by BLOTTING us out of existence and creating new beings. We on the other hand NEED Redemption that only God can provide. Thanks bro

1. I understand your concern but isn't a need technically same as a requirement?

2. Yes, God does not need to save man but for His Name's sake, He has need to save man. He said that a lot in His message through the prophets. This need for redemption which we have, God created by the clauses He carefully inserted into His Old Law of Moses --- the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel. God, by introducing the clauses which deny redemption under the Old Law to all those cursed under it made His New Covenant a requirement, the very same Covenant that was rejected by Adam in the beginning brought back in to redeem those cursed by God.

MightySparrow:


Oh, my brother.
I thought you are a Muslim.
The likes of Antichristian can make one angry beyond measure.

I appreciate your exposition and correction.
Thanks a lot.

You are welcome Bro.
Good morning

Kobojunkie:
1. I understand your concern but isn't a need technically same as a requirement?

2. Yes, God does not need to save man but for His Name's sake, He has need to save man. He said that a lot in His message through the prophets. This need for redemption which we have, God created by the clauses He carefully inserted into His Old Law of Moses --- the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel. God, by introducing the clauses which deny redemption under the Old Law to all those cursed under it made His New Covenant a requirement, the very same Covenant that was rejected by Adam in the beginning brought back in to redeem those cursed by God.

Even though to NEED and to REQUIRE are sometimes used synonymously, they are different

“require” means to ask for something
while
“need” means to want something very much.


To Require = To Cause to Be Necessary
To Want = To Desire something


In this sense, God CAUSED it to be NECESSARY for a worthy Sacrifice Atone for Sin

The Basis for our SALVATION is God's Love.
However,
Does God NEED to LOVE Man?
Why would God choose man over His Angels?
Ps 8:4:
"What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?"

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The solution is PRAYER by You (if you are Born Again).

Jam 5:13:
"Is any among you afflicted ? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms."

How Normal are your your dreams? What do you see?

TenQ:
■ Even though to NEED and to REQUIRE are sometimes used synonymously, they are different “require” means to ask for something while “need” means to want something very much. To Require = To Cause to Be Necessary To Want = To Desire something In this sense, God CAUSED it to be NECESSARY for a worthy Sacrifice Atone for Sin
The Basis for our SALVATION is God's Love. However, Does God NEED to LOVE Man? Ps 8:4:
"What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?"

You are still saying the same thing and your focus is, in my opinion, still on the wrong thing.

God created all of this for His benefit and purpose. This wasn't all a hobby or tinkering project for Him. Instead this is what God purposed to do and He did it. So when God said He would redeem His Name, it wasn't simply because He has free time but because it was what He had purposed to do -- a necessity. So, I don't see how playing around with words here can change any of that.

God's purpose from the beginning has been to harvest for Himself Sons of God using the Covenant of Truth and Peace which was originally rejected by the first man, Adam. To see to it that His purpose is fulfilled, God then used the people of Israel, created the need for redemption and hence a Master Copy Son of God with which to use in achieving His purpose. The first Adam turned out a dud and so God basically engineered the need for the second Adam to succeed where the first one failed.

Overlooking all of that just because of a measly word....argghhh!

Kobojunkie:
You are still saying the same thing and your focus is, in my opinion, still on the wrong thing.

God created all of this for His benefit and purpose. This wasn't all a hobby or tinkering project for Him. Instead this is what God purposed to do and He did it. So when God said He would redeem His Name, it wasn't simply because He has free time but because it was what He had purposed to do -- a necessity. So, I don't see how playing with words here can change any of that.

It's is okay then!

Kobojunkie:
You are still saying the same thing and your focus is, in my opinion, still on the wrong thing.

God created all of this for His benefit and purpose. This wasn't all a hobby or tinkering project for Him. Instead this is what God purposed to do and He did it. So when God said He would redeem His Name, it wasn't simply because He has free time but because it was what He had purposed to do -- a necessity. So, I don't see how playing around with words here can change any of that.

God's purpose from the beginning has been to harvest for Himself Sons of God using the Covenant of Truth and Peace which was originally rejected by the first man, Adam. To see to it that His purpose is fulfilled, God then used the people of Israel, created the need for redemption and hence a Master Copy Son of God with which to use in achieving His purpose.

Overlooking all of that just because of a measly word....argghhh!

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