MightySparrow:



I like your explanation. Truth can be gleaned from the things that happen as well as things that don't.
I was in a class one day, a Bible teaching class,.
Our resource person retorted that we should not believe in the nonsense of the soul travel professed by some cults.


Incidentally, a many was there from another ministry, a new convert who was just coming out of Eckamker or Grail Message ( I can't remember which one).

This man angrily answered our teacher that she should not talk about what she knows nothing about. That it was what he had practiced for about fifteen years.

When someone leaves his body consciously, which part of him goes out?

What is a soul?

LordReed:


I ask the question because you say dead matter needs some kind of indwelling before it lives, if that was the case then life wouldn't require the chemical functions, the so called soul should be able to power a body without them shouldn't it?

Also another corollary would be so do you think multicellular microscopic organisms have a soul or do you consider them as non living things?

I don't understand what you mean by "None of us experiences ourselves as a body". I've never heard anybody describe their experiences as something exclusively happening to their body but not to them unless the person was feeling some sort of detachment. Are you saying feeling a sense of detachment is what everybody feels normally?

BTW I think we have discussed this before, there is no "physical seat of consciousness" its an irrelevant question once you understand that consciousness is an emergent property that is based largely about the brain but is an amalgation of all the body's biological functions.

jaephoenix:

So who created the souls(if it existed)?

DeepSight:


Souls emanate from that primordial living substance which is at the root of reality.

jaephoenix:

So you took the word of an ex-ECK over your teacher?

KnownUnknown:


Thetans emanate from the essence of existence that permeates all things.

Emis evolve out of the quintessence of being.

Lukas are derived from the eternal substrate of the whole.

Rashis are radiated from the Core that exudes life.

Buutkus is a natural phenomenon of the quiddity of reality.

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MaxInDHouse:


Then you don't need me after all you don't need those deceiving themselves!

justcool:
Almost all religious beliefs are predicated on the existence of the soul, our nonphysical essences that outlive our physical bodies.

But does the soul really exist or is it just a superstitious figment of our imagination? How do we arrive at the truth of this matter? Here science cannot come to our rescue because being limited to the physical, science cannot venture into the nonphysical. Hence this is question each individual must confront personally.

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MightySparrow:

I know a number of people that have left your organization in search of truth or truer truth than the one you profess.

MaxInDHouse:


Go and ask them whatever question you have i'm Maximus a JW for life so you don't need me!

DeepSight:


Souls emanate from that primordial living substance which is at the root of reality.

MightySparrow:



Yes, what is your take?

DeepSight:


This is still weird. A body consists of chemical functions. Unless you are speaking of a rubber doll, what we are talking about by definition consists of chemical functions. So your question, via a loose analogy, sounds like asking if a man can drive a car that has no engine. By definition, cars have engines. This does not mean that men do not drive cars.

Save this, your suggestion would amount to suggesting that a soul should be able to power a rubber doll and bring it to life, abracadabra, without any chemical processes. My brother, with respect, what you would then be looking for is Chucky or Chucky's bride.

When we say that a soul indwells a body, there are existential, experiential, philosophical and scientific questions at play. We are not suggesting the sort of magic you allude to here whereat one seeks Chucky.

Every living thing has some level of soul or the other however minute or differentiated in terms of specie.

No one experiences themselves as a body. We experience ourselves as a personality, as a personal being, and as a living and feeling mind. Not even as a brain, no.

Of course, we feel our body, but this is always a question of my body, or your body. You see that? - There is a sense of ownership. It is a thing that we experience ownership of. It is quite external to our sense of personality and personhood.

jaephoenix:

@ the bolded. Some schizophrenic and manic patients have described themselves as such. There's a reason they are mentally unbalanced

jaephoenix:

Apologies. Thought you are a Christian

A001:
Yes. Reality is multidimensional (not just four dimensional) existing in layers just like an onion has layers. The soul is the innermost layer or the core of a living being with the outermost layer (the body) a mere projection of the soul.

Applying the concept of wave-particle duality to a human (as an example of matter), the soul is a distinct kind of wave or radiation that vibrates at a specific range of frequencies in higher dimensions with the body (particle) its spatio-temporal (4D) component or projection.

The soul exists, but it's one of the vast amount of things that are filtered out by our sense organs from our perception. Thus, we're only aware of minute aspects out of the vast amount of information (data) in our surroundings.

Due to these natural limits, there are many waves (such as the soul), particles, and radiations in our immediate surroundings we can't see or hear.

LordReed:


You are very correct, soul should be able to possess a Chucky type doll. In fact soul should be able to possess any matter for that matter. (Pun intended) Based on your assertion that dead matter needs soul to live, why can't any matter suffice?

So souls have levels and what distinguishes these levels?

I don't understand what you mean by "We experience ourselves as a personality, as a personal being, and as a living and feeling mind." As far as I know we don't see ourselves as only disembodied minds, we see ourselves as both mind and body.

And why would you think we would only experience ourselves as a brain if souls don't exist?

As opposed to what? If you assumed there was no soul how would we address our bodies if not "my body"?

A001:
Yes. Reality is multidimensional (not just four dimensional) existing in layers just like an onion has layers. The soul is the innermost layer or the core of a living being with the outermost layer (the body) a mere projection of the soul.

Applying the concept of wave-particle duality to a human (as an example of matter), the soul is a distinct kind of wave or radiation that vibrates at a specific range of frequencies in higher dimensions with the body (particle) its spatio-temporal (4D) component or projection.

The soul exists, but it's one of the vast amount of things that are filtered out by our sense organs from our perception. Thus, we're only aware of minute aspects out of the vast amount of information (data) in our surroundings.

Due to these natural limits, there are many waves (such as the soul), particles, and radiations in our immediate surroundings we can't see or hear.

Workch:
Definition of soul: the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.

Nope, there's no evidence that such phenomenon exist

DeepSight:


Let's leave out the "immortal" aspect - because that is something which will remain well beyond knowability even if one were to agree that souls exist. Lets just consider the question: given the nature of the human being, and the nature of human experience -

1. Does it stand to reason to suggest that the functions of the human body work for the human body itself - and not for an experiencing being therein?
2. Does it not stand to reason to say that there indeed must be an intangible (non-physical) aspect to the human being?
3. And that such an aspect is the inward, or inner being or mind?
4. And thus that the experiential aspect of being human renders such a notion probable and plausible?

Let me ask you something simple and direct. Do you have an inner mind?
A place within you where ideas, thoughts, emotions, dreams and hopes form and dwell?

Workch:
I don't have strength for long arguments, do you have evidence that souls exist. Please put it forward, don't ask me loaded questions

DeepSight:


"Loaded questions?" Lazy man.

You see, this is just as expectedly lazy as those opponents of Intelligent Design who look everywhere in the world, and behold the most baffling and intricate spectacles, such as the super computer that is the human brain - and then declare - "there is no evidence for design anywhere! If you have the evidence, present it!"

Workch:
do you have evidence for soul?

Why do you lots just argue endlessly on this space for what you do not have evidence for?

DeepSight:


There is abundant evidence but if you can't face the the Kindergarten questions, sorry, you cant graduate to primary school.

correctguy101:
Yes and no.

@Deepsight nice one.

@Workch, is the mind a product of the chemical functions going on in the brain? I am as lazy as you are when it comes to lenghty talks but do answer me or just share with this ancestor what you think the mind is.

And please, that definition you gave of what the soul is, is erroneous.