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"Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the LORD understand it fully." (Proverbs 28:5)

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So again, the Bible is so true. I'd have been shocked if you understood, and perhaps shaky in faith if you saw. You need revelation.

Rhino.4dm:

Mazzzzzaje! Alarji to ya ya ne? Kana ta buran uba. . .

Ka bi su a hankali mana. Please am begging in the name of God.

Sai a hankali . . . . . .Gagara badau na miji fiyayyen dan kasuwa.

mazaje:

What exactly do you mean by this statement?

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@Martian
God did not create humans deficient, neither is your black skin caused by a curse. You guys continue to prove your utter ignorance of scriptures. This is common christian religious knowledge found so cheaply in Genesis. What happens if we decide to discuss deep spiritual issues. If you're so boldly wrong on simple things how can you make an headway in real things. If i'd told you plainly that you were dead and blind, you won't believe.

i have yet to come across coherent explanations of what spirits and souls are,so when you talk about “deep spiritual issues” you might as well be trying to convince me that ancient aliens built the pyramids because that makes about as much sense as souls,spirits and spiritual issues.

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@mazaje
What would you do with a dead baby? i.e if you're in possession of a dead baby?

mazaje:

What a question. . .I will bury it? What else do you expect me to do with a dead baby. . .

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How's it going to be possible for you to understand? You can only understand IF you're spiritual na.
Not to insult you or something, but sorry in advance nonetheless. i want to describe with this analogy. It's like an animal, say a dog, saying i'm yet to understand what these humans are saying. Or someone on short-wave complaining "i tune everyday, and i've never once gotten rhythm 93, do they exist at all. If they do exist, i should've found them all these years on SW." It's not likely to happen. You need a conversion to stand good chance of understanding spiritual things. Truth they say is bitter.
ppen. You need a conversion to stand good chance of understanding spiritual things. Truth they say is bitter.

mazaje:

What a question. . .I will bury it? What else do you expect me to do with a dead baby. . .

Let's see some of the justice that are in the bible. . .

Leviticus 26:21-22
" 'If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve. 22 I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.

Send wild animals to kill people's babies for failing to obey, eh?. . . . . .Good justice. . . .

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, 19then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, 20and they shall say to the elders of his city, 'This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard. Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Disobedient children must be stoned to death. . . .Good justice. . . .

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of t[b]he priest who represents the LORD your God[/b] must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 )

Obey the priest or be killed. . . Interesting. . . .

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.  Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.  You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.  And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.  (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)

Kill followers of other religion even if they are members of your family. . . .Good justice. . . .

Very true only those that seek the lord understand justice. . . . .Try just a quarter of the laws of justice written in the bible and you will be in prison for the rest of your life or killed if you live in societies that accept capital punishment. . .

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Just to throw some light on these, especially for the benefit of those who truly need it.

Of all places, it's Leviticus 26 you had to look for in thousands of Bible chapters and verses, in order to find justice. Anyway, to put some perspective, Leviticus 26 was addressed to the Israelites(i.e the children of Israel). Lev 25:2  Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them
When it says 'children', it's not fully the idea of babies as mazaje is trying to pass across, to win emotional points. 'Your children' broadly refers to anybody in Israel who is a child of Israel. And anybody in this case is basically everybody as they were all 'children' of Israel. It's easier though to even defend the 'babies' thing, but it's good we see a clearer and truer perspective.

Poor generalisation and blindness as usual. Obvious sentimental linking of children to babies, where neither wasn't even directly mentioned. You seem to have deleted the bolded(S) from your own conclusion, abi you picked and chose?

This is poor, and showing an attempt not to learn anything new. i guess the people who refuse to listen to the verdict of the supreme court should do as they please, right? That's the way you people do it in denmark ba?
The priest was basically a judge in Israel. They were considered higher in rank than mere judges.

Deuteronomy 17:9  And thou shalt come unto the priests the Levites, and unto the judge that shall be in those days, and inquire; and they shall show thee the sentence of judgment:
Malachi 2:7  For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.
Haggai 2:11  Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ask now the priests concerning the law
Did you notice the bolded, or you picked and chose as is becoming your custom? Ever heard of the word 'treason' before? What was and what is the punishment for treason where you know? Even the unjust judge seems to fare better than you mr.

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Ha? So it's safe to conclude that you'd bury a thousand dead babies if in your care?

You are not throwing any light on anything just deluding your self with very cheap apologetics. . . .

Only that what you have stated is NOT what is written in the bible but what your mind wants you to see. . . .Here it is once again. . .Its was a warning against the men of Israel who do not want to obey Yahweh. . . . .

Leviticus 26:21-22
" 'If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve. 22 I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.

I will go with what the bible says against your baseless opinion and la la la interpretation, that is only bent on spinning what was written down to explain absurdity away. . . .

Send wild animals to kill people's babies for failing to obey, eh?. . . . . .Good justice. . . .

What are you saying here that children  drink and refuse to obey their parents deserve to be to be stoned to death?. . . .Is that what you are saying?. . . .

If a man has a son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, 19then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, 20and they shall say to the elders of his city, 'This our son will not obey our voice'. Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Only that refusing to obey the verdict of the supreme court will not get you killed here. . . . .

So worshiping other Gods is treason eh?. . . .Why do you guys get angry when muslims kill you for worshiping other Gods or kill others for apostasy?. . . .It is treason in the eyes of their God,  and hence justifiable, no?. . .

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mazaje. i dey wait for your answer o!

Meanwhile,
You sound frustrated, sorry. The post was directed to those who 'truly need it'.

Come again? This was what you wanted all to believe belowAnd i made it clearer that it's not only babies but everybody. This is simple context, i don't think you require revelation for this one na, i may be wrong in this thought sha. Here's what i said again. Always note the bolded, there are reason for emboldening, not just decoration.
When it says 'children', it's not fully the idea of babies as mazaje is trying to pass across, to win emotional points. 'Your children' broadly refers to anybody in Israel who is a child of Israel. And anybody in this case is basically EVERYBODY as they were all 'children' of Israel.

'Children' in this context does not refer to only babies. See for instance,
Gen 11:5  And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men built.
Exodus 12:26  And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?
Exodus 14:15  And the LORD said unto Moses, Wherefore criest thou unto me? speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward:
The people in the passage above could well be men, not necessarily babies. It's context. You go along with a myopic, dogmatic "I will go with what the bible says". Nothing makes you different from the religious 'hotheads' except your religion. Why don't you go with what the Bible says here for instance and quit your hypocrisy;
Deuteronomy 32:4  He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

How's this for justice? Picking one verse, and ignoring the rest of the passage, chapter, book or Bible? Look at Leviticus 26 for instance,

Leviticus 26:3  If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
He then presents the good things (blessings) for them. Amongst the promises are increase, fruitfulness, vintage, safety, respect, establishment, fellowship, etc. They were in a covenant. There are terms and conditions attached to a covenant/agreement. From buying a sim card to a modem, to admission into an institution, organisation, or country, there are terms, dos and don'ts that you sign. Two parties signed/ratified/agreed to something, some ignorant fellow comes in 2011 yapping about justice. There's been no better deal than God's deal with man, don't bite yourself.
So then we have: Lev 26:14  But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
And then follows the punishments and judgements for breach. Amongst it is

Leviticus 26:22  I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.
The wild beasts was/were going to ravage their children(which could broadly mean their descendants whether old/young), their livestock(cattle there is not just a specie of cows), and they themselves, making them few in number. the judgement was to affect EVERYBODY like i previously said. When you narrowly say 'babies', you miss the point and cause other readers to miss the full perspective.

Here's what i said. It's not hausa(and even you understand hausa)
Poor generalisation and blindness as usual. Obvious sentimental linking of children to babies, where neither wasn't even directly mentioned. You seem to have deleted the bolded(S) from your own conclusion, abi you picked and chose?
And i emboldened some part of that passage thus.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, 19then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, 20and they shall say to the elders of his city, 'This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard. Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Your understanding of this passage was "Disobedient children must be stoned to death. . . .Good justice. . . ."
In other words, this is what you read in that passage.

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i'd be least surprised if you can't spot the difference between the two i.e the real passage and what you read(picked and chose) from the passage.
Almost nothing can get you killed these days. We live in a confused society who'd bashfully do away with all forms of punishment whether corporal, capital or whatever. And it's working very fine, right? No more crime, no more hate, theft, wickedness etc. We've found the perfect solution.  Give yourself a pat on the back.

Silly conclusion. Did you see the bolded? "entices you secretly to serve other gods". There's no where in that passage saying kill followers of other religion. Gosh! Even the Pharisees understood better than you. The Israelites were not going about killing everbody that's not a jew. they had/and still have Godless neighbours. And when you come to the new testament/covenant/agreement, Jews and Gentiles are broadly involved, and nobody's encouraged to condemn any other person. Only God is Judge. the new covenant stopped all forms of killings more than 2000years ago. Civilisation is still struggling to pass it into law till date. A couple hundred years ago, capital punishment was still okay in the eyes of civilisation, you've missed the train.

mazaje:

Only that our society is much more tolerant than it was back in the days when most of the biblical stories were written, read the bible half of it is filled with war and violence either carried out by God or the chosen men of God against others. . .Worshiping another God during the time of moses is enough reason for a nation to be attacked and its inhabitants killed. . . . .The bible has passages where Yahweh commands his chosen people to kill the inhabitants of another city and sacrifice them all as a burnt offering unto him because the worship other Gods. . . .

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Ha? So it's safe to conclude that you'd bury a thousand dead babies if in your care?

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@mazaje
What would you do with a dead baby? i.e if you're in possession of a dead baby?

mazaje:

What a question. . .I will bury it? What else do you expect me to do with a dead baby. . .

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Ha? So it's safe to conclude that you'd bury a thousand dead babies if in your care?

davidylan:

Really?

I wont deign this with a comment.

Martian:

So most human societies were more tolerant in years past compared to now Where do you people live?
Wherever you are, compare the cultural climate of the place in the 60's for example, to the present.

I guess it's less tolerant for certain people because thay can't burn people with different opinions at stakes anymore and they can't just lie about everything in the information age. 

davidylan:

Really?
I think you need to remove your head from the sands of denial.

Martian:

All I said was that human societies are more tolerant than the past when[b] most intolerance was actually fueled by ignorance cloaked in religious piety[/b]. People don't use the so called word of god to justify discrimination against you just because you're black like they used to do in the past. Am i wrong?

davidylan:

Again take your head out of the sands of denial. They have severely impaired your ability to be objective.
All the intolerance of ancient societies was fueled solely by religion? Really?

I mean i understand your need to paint religion in the worst light but really?

Martian:

I said Most.
Look, you probably hate man-lover people for no other reason than the bible. That's an example.

Martian:

Evangelical  white christians hate the theory of evolution because they don't want to accept that they are descended from the same people blacks descended from so Adam and Eve is more palatable to them.

Martian:

Hausas murder yorubas and igbos for what reason?

Tea party members said Obama was a muslim, communist, foreiger etc because they can't stand the fact that a half black man with an arabic(muslim) middle name is POTUS.

Proof is in the pudding. You're the one who said the past was more tolerant than the present jsut because an atheist said otherwise. No? (like mazaje would say )

davidylan:

Again martian, let me kindly ask you to remove your head from the sands of denial

I dont hate g[i]a[/i]ys, never have, never will . . . though i do not support the lifestyle. Where you came by the above idea i wonder.

odd. Have you considered many (including eminent atheist scientists) disapprove of the theory of evolution because it has no shred of credible evidence. If i asked you to provide some you couldnt . . . for example.

What is the relevance of the above waffling?

Martian:

Ok, sorry you don't hate man-lover people. You only hate the sin. lol

Martian:

You don't have to accept evolution, I don't care. But if you want evidence, you can find it.

Martian:

  That appeal to authority (eminent atheist scientist) doesn't work with me. A astrophysicist can disagree with evolution and he will be out of his league just like an evolutionary biologist can disagree with models based on galaxies' redshifts ad he'll be out of his league.

Martian:

I was just giving you examples of intolerance caused by religion with the "waffling".

davidylan:

Just the same way you can hate your government without hating your country right? One doesnt have to equal the same you know . . .
you dont have to care, its not like your opinion influences the science.
I cant find evidence because there is none and your response is framed such because neither can you find any credible evidence.
1. its the exact same appeal to authority that is the basis for the strong atheists support for evolution. you must not be a wide reader.
2. It doesnt have to work with you, those are facts you cant change.
3. When i talk about eminent atheists scientists, i also mean those who work in the field of genetics and evolutionary biology.
i didnt see any, just a lot of rambling.

davidylan:

i didnt see any, just a lot of rambling.

Martian:

I said Most.
[b]Look, you probably hate g@y (the sin?) people for no other reason than "the bible said so". That's an example.
another example, Boko haram hates everyone because of the quran.
Evangelical  white christians hate the theory of evolution because they don't want to accept that they are descended from the same people blacks descended from so Adam and Eve is more palatable to them.
Hausas murder yorubas and igbos for what reason?

Tea party members said Obama was a muslim, communist, foreiger etc because they can't stand the fact that a half black man with an arabic(muslim) middle name is POTUS.[/b]Proof is in the pudding.  You're the one who implied that the past was more tolerant than the present jsut because an atheist said otherwise. No? (like mazaje would say )