Martian:

Country and governement is a poor analogy. It's like someone saying they don't approve of your heterosexual lifestyle because of some random book and try to use a weak analogy about countries and governments to justify it.

Martian:

Facts are there, I'm not going to waste my time arguing about evolution with people whose worldviews directly contradicts it so they won't accept it even though research in the field is the reason why they live healthier lives compared to the forefathers.

Martian:

I can only speak for myself but I'm an atheist because your gods do not exist, not because of evolution.  I accept evolution because I understand how it works[b],i understand how different genetic markers affect individuals and shiow up in populations. Evolution is supported by DNA[/b]. I know my opinion doesn't influence science because I'm not an arrogant religionist who denies reality in favor of stories cobbled together by ignorantmen from thousands of years ago.

Martian:

So who is the evolutinary biologist who doesn't accept evolution? Is there a physicist who doesn't accept the laws of thermodynamics?

davidylan:

How is that a poor analogy? I dont get it . . . I disapprove of a hom[i]o[/i]intimate lifestyle squarely because of my individual faith . . . whether i derive my inspiration from a book or not is not the problem here.
Likewise, i can disagree with a government on the basis of strong political differences that may or may not be as a result of reading a book on political philosophy.
Please please, dont confuse issues. Just because we have made tremendous strides in the field of medical research does not mean we have scientific proof of evolution. your constant deceitful hedging rather than just providing one piece of credible evidence says a lot.
the unfortunate thing is you're too ignorant to realise you just defined mutation which is supported by plenty ofDNA evidence. Now evolution presupposes there must have been an initial existence of some sort of pre-DNA right? Where is the evidence for this?
Again that evidence exists for thermodynamics does not automatically mean there is evidence for evolution.

Martian:

Ok and random mutation is not one of the mechanisms of evolution?

Martian:

You want to learn about pre-Dna and how the first self replicatinig molecule came about, go take a course in abiogenesis. An evidence you say? Well, go read about the mutation of the ASPM gene and how it lead to the development of human brain size.

Martian:

Anyway thanks for admitting that you don't approve of Same-sex lifestyles because of your "faith". Discrimination fueld by religion. Thanks for proving my point.

davidylan:

Its a mechanism of genetic differentiation. however as a mechanism of evolution, no proof to that effect.
I'm sure you could practically take a course just from reading many of the old threads here that have been devoted to thrashing that nonsense.
Discriminating against a government on the basis of political affiliation? thanks for proving my own point.

davidylan:

How is that a poor analogy? I dont get it . . . I[b] disapprove of a hom[i]o[/i]intimate lifestyle squarely because of my individual faith [/b] . . . whether i derive my inspiration from a book or not is not the problem here.

Martian:

If I learned about science on Nairaland's message board, I would be one of these people on here parroting bronze age fables as facts.

Ok random mutation leads to genetic differentiation and when this mutations are beneficial and happen in the coding part of dna, they can be passed on to offsprings. This can lead to speciation and isn't that what evolution is about. The mutation of the ASPM gene is one of the markers that separates us from other primates.

Martian:

And your last line doesn't make any sense because I haven't mentioned any type of government or political affiliation. But again, you proved my point when you said this.

noetic16:

^^^

long time no see, bro, howdy?

davidylan:

the problem with your "fables" here are numerous;

1. mutations can be phenotypic not just when they occur on coding portions of DNA, infact a larger number of mutations are now occuring on non-coding sections.
2. Splice variations, micro RNA e.t.c are also important sources of genetic differentiation as well . . . where do those come from?
3. Evolution is A LOT MORE than mere coding errors . . . what precipitated this initial DNA and from what? Why have flies remained phenotypically the same for billions of years without evolving anything else?
4. Again another one of those who just randomly picks up one gene as "evidence" for evolution . . . there are thousands in the genome

It makes sense because it is an analogy mister. you dont have to mention politics for me to use that to contrast with the bogus logic you were putting forth.

You say its bad to dislike hom[i]o[/i]intimate behaviour because "my decision is based on religion" . . . that is baseless.

1. Is it also bad that you dislike GEJ on the basis of political differences? Does that automatically mean you hate your country (i.e. hate the sin but not the man)?
2. I also dislike it for medical reasons . . . is that wrong too or disliking something solely on religious basis is the only bad aspect?

You're just confused.

Martian:

Like I said before, getting into discussions about evolution with  a religious person who denies on this board is pointless.

Martian:

I know mutations also occur in enterons and splice variations

Martian:

mRna also came from the smae place the material from dna came from, the universe.

Martian:

Or maybe god because that's the only answer you want.

Martian:

Evolution is not about coding errors, and I never said that. It's about mutations that are beneficial which happen to be passed on, if an organism is well adapted, then mutations might not occur in the coding sections again. Cockroaches and crocodiles haven't changed in millions of years because they are well adapted.

Martian:

You said you said you wanted an example, I gave it, now it's not really evidence. Out of the millions of genes, the ones that make different species and when they occured is evidence of evolution. Like it or not.

Martian:

Using my alleged dislike for a phantom government as an analogy for your bigotry against Same-sex is a bad analogy.
Also, why are you against homosexuality for medical reasons? are you g@y? Did you have s@x with g@y men and you're now scared of a disease? Is that why you don't like it "for medical reasons".

davidylan:

Really?
enterons? The alimentary canal of a jellyfish?
Or you mean introns? the non-coding portion of mRNA spliced out to form the gene?
splice variants are a SOURCE of mutations and not the other way around.

and i thought i was the ignorant one.
and exactly why cant we find this mRNA just floating around anymore?
nfact God is a better answer than the above you just typed. mRNA just found in the "universe"? 
Which is funny . . . so why did apes evolve?
because its not dude.
odd. Ever heard that the thin mucous membranes in the rectum is a very high source of infections? It wasnt designed for s[i]e[/i]x.

Omolulu:

Sorry i'm not as smart as many people here, but what would man evolve to in the next thousand years?

frosbel:

These guys are just shockingly irrational

frosbel:

These guys are just shockingly irrational

Martian:

Ok, God did it. Happy?

frosbel:


Of course God did !!

I am not one to believe in a concocted convolution of unproven theories, randomly jumbled up together hypotheses and a knack for the illogical explanation of our existence .

More worrying is the almost fanatical stubbornness and religious inclination to refuse any and almost every other explanation , that in most cases sounds  more factual and systematic than your pillars of salt.

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