Lawag3:


He wasn't made he existed before time believing in a God that creates. Is better than believing something came out of nothing.

1. Actually you believe something came out of nothing. You believe god popped out of nothing and not only that, you believe he created the world out of nothing
2. I never said man came outta nothing. I said I don't know how man came. I have said this several times, but somehow it doesn't penetrate y'all skulls

Lawag3:


Nothing. I was telling this to one of your own but he was too confused to understand. Evolution brings more question than answers.

What questions

Lawag3:


He is the beginning of all things

I know you don't understand science but I ask you anyway

science say matter cannot be created from nothing right?

The big bang just happened when energy collided and exploded throwing dust into the atmosphere right?

Life began from bacteria right ?

Those bacteria evolved into different living creatures including what later became man.

All this happened by chance.


Now against the Bible which says an all powerful being created everything from the words of his mouth.

He created time,space and matter so he exists outside his creation

Which is more clearer and give reasons for your answer.

He created them from what?

jaephoenix:

Its now I know why peeps hate JW clowns.
You guys lie barefaced lies. As in white lies.
Someone copied the Bible verse which clearly depicts something. You come out to say its a lie. Meanwhile it is written plain for the blind to see.
You even said you'll post what your Bible said, yet 24 hours later, you haven't posted it, yet you're condemning me as a liar.
This bullshitery is crazy

I said I will
And I will post
I'm just very busy
Where is the evidence the Bible say earth is flat?

Aemmyjah:


I said I will
And I will post
I'm just very busy
Where is the evidence the Bible say earth is flat?

1. Its now 4 days, no rebuttal from you.
2. Here's the verses, I'm not like you that keep dodging

Revelation 7:1
1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree

Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor

Isaiah 40:22
22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in

Isaiah 11:12
12 He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth

Lawag3:


Many scientists you call believe in God.

Whatever they will know will not disprove the existence of God.

You think the believe in a supreme being that have defined humanity since when we first walked the earth will be disproved? Why do you think every ancient cultures believe in a god why. Because we have a common ancestor who encounter God saw him spoke with him. They told there children who told their children until the population of people grew. The same God you deny his existence now you'll encounter him when you die and you'll surely remember all this.

The beliefs in gods stem from ignorance of early humans about the phenomena around them. Like lightning, flood, rain etc. They even assigned specific gods to these phenomena, like god of thunder etc. Now as science came and explained these phenomena as natural, the belief in these gods are abating. And now religion is currently abating now and atheism is increasing.
No gods appeared to anybody. Thank you

KookSpook21:
Hi all. I think the language spoken by Adam and Eve is a subject of speculation and debate. While the Bible doesn't explicitly mention the language they spoke, various interpretations suggest it might have been a divinely inspired or heavenly language. Others believe it could have been a precursor to human languages. The topic is largely theological, and interpretations vary among different religious traditions.

Apart from being psychotic, you're ignorant too.
So who taught Adam and Eve this 'heavenly language'?

Lawag3:


Ok am pleading with you tell me the story of your deconversion you've nothing to lose. And for sure I will show you where the Bible give clues to life before man.

Ok. Lemme be brief.
I'm a physician. During med school, I noticed many things in my clinical trainings. Many people dying even after copious prayers. Some were pastors and notable men of god that supposedly did miracles. I asked myself where all the Bible quotes about healing went to. Jusr before I did my Sponsio Academica, lost my dad. This man was a vibrant Christian. Left his booming alcohol business to become a Christian and from there his health dwindled….
Then I started digging. Asked several questions, which was either ignored by my mum or I was told to ask the pastors, who turned out to be clueless. The butt of those questions were these
1. If Yahweh loved us, why give us a very contradictory and lie infected book like the bible, and then disappear from the scene. I mean since the days of the Bible where he was popping up and throwing down fire and lightning from up above, dude has gone mighty silent.
2. How come the most 'christianized' countries happen to be the most miserable? From Latin America to Africa, poverty is the norm. And the relatively atheistic societies are the most successful, like the Scandinavian countries, Iceland, China, Eastern Europe etc. Despite the fact your bible said righteousness exalteth a nation and even said the prayers of the heathens are abominations, yet those heathen get more successful while the people that pray more to him get more miserable. Case in point in Nigeria. We call US, UK, Canada sinful and irreligious cos of their LGBTQXXX, yet we abandon Nigeria that abhors LGBTQXXX to flee to those 'cursed' countries (like many Christians call them)
3. Miracles only happen in TVs and social media. Never happens in hospitals where the real sick people are. For some reasons, pastors only do their miracles in their churches, but avidly avoid these hospitals, even if the hospitals are right beside them. In fact, many churches now have hospitals, and run clinics on Sundays. Even pastors and churches contribute money for surgeries for their members. I mean they could simply heal those members with a word, just like good old Jesus, thus saving them from giving us doctors their hard-earned money, and also saving the member and his family the physical pain and stress of the sickness. Only miracles we hear about are the unconfirmed healing from HIV, sickle cell etc. Have you ever seen them make an amputee limb regrow? Lol 😆 . That one would be difficult for them to arrange, especially on live tv

4. The Bible story on creation is so funny. There are many sticky points than a chocolate bar.
A. Christians believe atheists are wrong to assume everything on earth was not created, but they forget the fact their bible said Yahweh created the world from….. nothing. And where did Yahweh himself pop out from? Yup. Nothing. He just existed
B. Your creation story said Yahweh created plants before the sun. Interesting…
C. Chapter 1 reports that the fruit trees were created before the man, while chapter 2 indicates they were made after him. Genesis 1:20 says the fowl were created out of the waters; Genesis 2:19 alleges they were formed from the ground.
D. Contradictions are also seen in the biblical story of a worldwide flood. According to Genesis 6:19-22, God ordered Noah to bring “of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort . . . into the ark.” Nevertheless, Genesis 7:2-3 relates that the Lord ordered Noah to take into the ark the clean beasts and the birds by sevens, and only the unclean beasts by twos.
E. Genesis 8:4 reports that, as the waters of the flood receded, Noah’s ark rested on the mountains of Ararat in the seventh month. The very next verse, however, says the mountaintops could not be seen until the tenth month.
F.Genesis 8:13 describes the earth as being dry on the first day of the first month. But Genesis 8:14 informs us the earth was not dry until the twenty-seventh day of the second month
You can see other gaffes in the Bible here https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes

4. The Bible is a poor moral source.
A. Yahweh committed more murders than Satan. Matter of fact, I can't remember any killing by Satan but an loving god committed all sorts of genocide, from innocent babies, told Israelites to rip babies from preggo women etc. Before you say, oh that's old testament, new testament speaks about love, lemme remind you. The bible says Yahweh does not change, he's the same yesterday, today and forever etc. So that means he's the same old murderous grouchy old man masquerading as a lovey dovey dude.
B. The Bible upholds slavery and even warns slaves to be obedient to their slavemasters just like they are obedient to him. He gave 10 commandments, yet ignored saying anything bad about slavery or misogyny. What does that tell you?
C. Its also a sin to work on Sabbaths which may be Saturdays or Sundays, depending on your Christian persuation.
D. Its a sin to wear different fabrics

5. So Yahweh created the whole world, right?
There's Eden. He then made a tree of knowledge, and guess what? Planted it right in the middle of the garden. As an all knowing god, Yahweh knew Adam was gonna fail but planted this forbidden tree right in the middle of the garden with luscious fruits, to distract and tempt Adam. Gave him a partner that would make the temptation very hard to pass up. Then to make matters worse, he allowed Satan(an omnipresent and omnipotent being) to finish the job of tempting Adam? Then when man fails, he turns around to blame him of making the wrong choice? And then went ahead to rain curses in the poor dude.
Are you seeing how Yahweh stacked up the odds against poor Adam. Almost as if he wants the dude to fail.

Here is an analogy. You(yahweh) sent your son(Adam) to school(garden of eden) and paid a bully(Satan) to distract and beat the child, so he'll fail in school? I used the word 'paid' because he Satan is an upgraded being, having those powers handed to him by Yahweh. Whats his target? A puny Adam, a regular mortal with no powers whatsoever

6. The story of creationism has no historical backup. And evolution can be supported by biology, genetics, archeology etc. There was even no mention of dinosaurs in the Bible even though they roamed for thousands of years.

Lemme stop here. There are so many reasons I chose to be an atheist and these posts don't cover them. I'll convert my response into a thread so my christians can respond. Thank you for your interest Lawag3

Aemmyjah:


💯
He wants to cherry pick
So he won't feel accountable to anyone for selfish actions

Cherrypick what.

Aemmyjah:


Like using a dead theory like abiogenesis to glorify evolution of life6?
De play

Lol. You're not even a biologist. If you are, you'd know abiogenesis does not support evolution. I have told you several times, evolution is supported by genetics, embryology, palentology etc

Aemmyjah:



What did archeologists s suggest about language?
How can mere grunts bring about intelligible speech?
Why can a parrot speak (tho not intelligent) yet Apes, having all the organs and faculties for speaking like we do, cannot speak?

1. Grunts are part of non-vocal communication, which I have talked about earlier. Since you don't wanna research on that, I wont talk about it again.
2. Linguistics and paleontologists suggest early humans engaed in grunting and other forms of non-verbal comms
3. The most popular theory of speech evolution is that changes in throat anatomy first allowed modern humans to speak. Compared to other primates and our early ancestors, humans' larynxes are located much lower, and it's thought that this anatomical difference allows us to make more complicated vowel sounds.

Aemmyjah:


Something they are not sure
You are not sure either
Yet, you want to judge which one is credulous?
Download sense at Google Playstore

We aren't sure, but are you sure of your own theory? If you are sure, then tender evidence and stop disturbing us. Full stop

Aemmyjah:



Bible does not teach that
Same way you said Bible say earth waa flat without evidence
It's like lying against Bible makes you feel good

I have given you the Bible verses that say so. So post your own bible verse

cornelboy:

So you're making assumptions from the middle lol 😂

How evolving from the great ape take make sense to you?. I'll never be gullible in life.

I have given you evidence but you said you'll not look, that you'd rather go with the bible. What do you want me to do? I can't force you to look if you close your eyes

cornelboy:

Don't mind that clown. Even if plants were before the son, can't the creator sustain the plants before he finishes the rest of the creation?

They want to drag God to their tiny brain level 😂😂

Even the smallest living cell they have not been able to create it. It's not even possible till eternity.
Life is a miracle no doubt

I have shown you evidence that science have not only created cells but made humans, but you dont want to comprehend it.
Oga post where bible said sun was created before plants.

jaephoenix:

I have shown you evidence that science have not only created cells but made humans, but you dont want to comprehend it.
Oga post where bible said sun was created before plants.

Science created Humans lol 😂😂
Ona no dẹ shame. They can't create a the simplest cell. E be like say na you create am for your room

jaephoenix:

I have given you evidence but you said you'll not look, that you'd rather go with the bible. What do you want me to do? I can't force you to look if you close your eyes

They are evidences to you not to me 😂
Foolish atheist

jaephoenix:

We aren't sure, but are you sure of your own theory? If you are sure, then tender evidence and stop disturbing us. Full stop

Something you are not sure is what you say is fact qnd intelligent people should accept
Is that not indoctrination?

jaephoenix:

1. Grunts are part of non-vocal communication, which I have talked about earlier. Since you don't wanna research on that, I wont talk about it again.
2. Linguistics and paleontologists suggest early humans engaed in grunting and other forms of non-verbal comms
3. The most popular theory of speech evolution is that changes in throat anatomy first allowed modern humans to speak. Compared to other primates and our early ancestors, humans' larynxes are located much lower, and it's thought that this anatomical difference allows us to make more complicated vowel sounds.

There are silly theories for fools to believe

jaephoenix:

Lol. You're not even a biologist. If you are, you'd know abiogenesis does not support evolution. I have told you several times, evolution is supported by genetics, embryology, palentology etc

Abiogenesis is obsolete. Yes or No?

Aemmyjah:



Abiogenesis is obsolete. Yes or No?

Its not obsolete. But it doesn't relate to evolution

cornelboy:

Science created Humans lol 😂😂
Ona no dẹ shame. They can't create a the simplest cell. E be like say na you create am for your room

Ok, I realize you JWs have retrograde amnesia. Lemme repost what I posted earlier.
This is artificial cell
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.2c06104

This is artificially created human embryo
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jun/14/synthetic-human-embryos-created-in-groundbreaking-advance

In the next discussion we'll have, you would deny these facts. Watch

cornelboy:

They are evidences to you not to me 😂
Foolish atheist

Lol. You see fossils. Undeniable evidence that would not go away and you still tell me its not evidence?
The person wey do una dis jazz dey badt

Aemmyjah:



Something you are not sure is what you say is fact qnd intelligent people should accept
Is that not indoctrination?

What did I say is fact? And what did I say I'm not sure?
Please I need succinct answers

Aemmyjah:



There are silly theories for fools to believe

If scientists can prove it, and I can prove it. Then you can stuff your unbelief where the sun don't shine.
I gave you instances of languages that still use grunting like the Silbo Gomero etc. A right thinking person would try to research and see if I'm right or not. Not you. You'll still continue spouting the same ignorant stupid mantra youre indoctrinated with.
Damn! These guys did a good job on u

jaephoenix:

If scientists can prove it, and I can prove it. Then you can stuff your unbelief where the sun don't shine.
I gave you instances of languages that still use grunting like the Silbo Gomero etc. A right thinking person would try to research and see if I'm right or not. Not you. You'll still continue spouting the same ignorant stupid mantra youre indoctrinated with.
Damn! These guys did a good job on u

Yet you claim they don't know

jaephoenix:

Lol. You see fossils. Undeniable evidence that would not go away and you still tell me its not evidence?
The person wey do una dis jazz dey badt

So fossils give evidence that's the world came by accident right lol 😂😂

jaephoenix:

Ok, I realize you JWs have retrograde amnesia. Lemme repost what I posted earlier.
This is artificial cell
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.2c06104

This is artificially created human embryo
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jun/14/synthetic-human-embryos-created-in-groundbreaking-advance

In the next discussion we'll have, you would deny these facts. Watch

Lol where did they get the materials from
You be thief aswear. And you call yourself critical thinkers? Lmao

Check the meaning of these keywords haha "reprogramming and stem cells".

JASONjnr:


What are you saying?


How did they communicate?


When eve went to Adam and asked him to have a bite of the apple.... How did she pass the message and how did she remember the name of the fruit that Adam named?

Na good question you raised
How did they know it's. Apple they ate not Berry

cornelboy:

Lol where did they get the materials from
You be thief aswear. And you call yourself critical thinkers? Lmao

Check the meaning of these keywords haha "reprogramming and stem cells".

Where did Yahweh get the materials he made humans from?

Aemmyjah:


Yet you claim they don't know

We're talking about origin or evolution of languages, and not origin of humans.
Grow a brain

cornelboy:

So fossils give evidence that's the world came by accident right lol 😂😂

Fossils gave evidence of the evolution of man, from H.Habilis, H. Erectus to H. Sapiens
And to think u said u r literate