TenQ:

Reasonable people do not go to war just because a mishap happened to one of their citizens on a foreign land. Would it have made sense if USA decided to wage war on Nigerian because this Nigerian - Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab (the Underwear Bomber) decided in the name of your prophet to commit a terrorist action on a plane in America.

Zaid ibn Harithah went to a FOREIGN land, outside Mecca, Medina or Arabia to spread Islam and was killed. Till today, no one knows exactly what happen other than he was killed. Could it be armed robbery, kidnapper, insolence,.... no one knows!

Don't forget that your claim is that Qur'an 9:28-29 is defensive and it is about polytheists coming to Mecca or Medina.
However, even in this case, it is you Muslims who is going out to other people's land to harass them contrary to Qur'an 9:28-29 you claim.

All you have done is to proove unequivocally that it is Muslims who GO OUT to wage war on Christians and not the other way round.

Is this untrue?

Umar AbdulMutallab's father said he had approached the US and Nigerian authorities to warn them about his son's views in November - weeks before the attempt to destroy the flight to Detroit.

Nigerian media quoted Mr Mutallab, an influential banker who is well connected in Nigerian politics, as saying his son first became radicalised while studying at the British School in Lome (BSL), Togo.

Umar was an engineering student at a UK college between 2005 and 2008 so was his radicalisation from Nigeria, Togo or UK?

You talk like there wasn't Eastern Roman military presence in Persia snd Arabia from the late 6th century?

Ohyoudidnt:


Are Banu Qurayzah the only tribe of Jews or followers of Judaism in Arabia?
You obviously feign ignorance or might not be aware the Qurayzah had broken their treaty of non-hostility with the Muslims at the height of the Battle of the Trench and intended to attack them from within, but before they could, the siege on Madina suddenly ended leaving them alone and caught red-handed. They quickly fortified themselves, and finally surrendered after a 25-day siege of their fort. (Infiltrating your opponents to attack from within?)

Some were punished for treason and these were all who qualified as fighting men of the tribe, since they were the ones who would have taken part in the hostilities out of tribal obligation. Excluded were the pre-pubescent boys, and one elderly man (though he later chose punishment voluntarily).

Some of these Qurayza and their families had broken ranks with their tribe early on and left to seek protection from the Muslims, and they were granted it.

They helped you to dig trenches during the war then still decided to fight you!?
Please who did the Jews of Banu Qurayza killed amongst the Muslims?
Why did a whole city get the blame and sentenced to death while they were farming and doing their daily chores.

Could it be that it was an excuse to take their wealth?
What happened to diplomacy before the massacre?

Ohyoudidnt:

Being one who thrives on confusion you start to ask other questions before your initial questions are fully addressed. Are you ashamed of the unpalatable history of the Byzantines?

It is because you usually avoid answering questions.

Ohyoudidnt:

Anyway
1. There are different views as to who was crucified but there isn't certainty. Some view this to be Judas Iscariot perhaps an explanation for divergent views if what happened to him after the alleged crucifixion despite being paid 30 silver coins. He threw these away in the temple or bought land yet still hung himself.

A young disciple of Jesus who was reluctantly accepted and took on the form of Jesus.

In any case as was earlier mentioned it is questionable that the persecutors needed someone to identify who they were persecuting.

In other words, what you Muslims have are conjectures!?
Qur'an 4:157
and their saying: 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary', the Messenger of Allah1 - whereas2 in fact they had neither slain him nor crucified him but the matter was made dubious to them3 - and those who differed about it too were in a state of doubt! They have no definite knowledge of it, but merely follow conjecture; and they surely slew him not,

Is this a prove that It is actually you Muslims that follow whims, suppositions and conjectures about the death of Christ on the cross.

Christians know exactly what happened and there is no second story about it

Ohyoudidnt:

2. There's no elaborate explanation of this that I know or agree with but am satisfied that this was miraculously done.

You did not answer the Question sir. Jesus going to heaven is a miracle no doubt BUT the question was whether it was done in secret or in public.


Have you read this before?
Acts 1:9:
"And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received Him out of their sight."


Again, I ask, was Jesus going to heaven a private or public miracle?

Ohyoudidnt:

3. Why do you say Allah deceived anyone and not see that Allah saved his dear prophet from the humiliating and wicked plans of the enemies? Was Mary deceived or she remained true to her nature of accepting the will of Allah? Remember she was told at the point of a miraculous conception that her offspring will be a sign? Did she take this too to be a sign? Was she aware of the miraculous lives of Enoch and Elijah?

How do you know that all the disciples were unaware? Do you have the account of each and everyone of them from trustworthy and verifiable resources?

Apparently, not a single Christian was aware that someone else was crucified as the Christians including Mary knew that Jesus was crucified.

Acts 1:12-14:
"Then returned they to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey. And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where stayed both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers."

Are you aware that Jesus on the cross spoke to Mary his mother and John his disciple?

It looks like the deception was so deep that no single Christian know that it wasn't Jesus that was killed.

Would it be right to conclude that Allah created Christianity?

Ohyoudidnt:

4. I have spoken of the Qurayzah above

Okay!

Ohyoudidnt:

5. The Quran says Uzair even if the generality of Jews disagree. However in following what your leaders say is akin to making them your God.
Some accounts too refer to an extinct tribe of Arabian Jews.

Is this not also a conjecture to give a dog a bad name so that you can drown it!?
1. Who is Uzair?
2. Can you bring up one single document of history confirming this assertion?
(At least for the Christians, the name Jesus is in all our documents and literatures)
3.About following leaders: is Mohammed not almost God in Islam?
a. Can one become a Muslim without associating Mohammed's name with that of Allah?
b. Do you Muslims not associate even the knowledge of Allah with that of Mohammed?
c. Is the name "Mohammed" not a title of God as only God is the Praised One?

Finally, if they were extinct tribes of Israel, then why refer to the JEWS and not the specific tribe of say Judah or Benjamin or Levi? etc
Could this be another conjecture?

Ohyoudidnt:


Is this untrue?

Umar AbdulMutallab's father said he had approached the US and Nigerian authorities to warn them about his son's views in November - weeks before the attempt to destroy the flight to Detroit.

Nigerian media quoted Mr Mutallab, an influential banker who is well connected in Nigerian politics, as saying his son first became radicalised while studying at the British School in Lome (BSL), Togo.

Umar was an engineering student at a UK college between 2005 and 2008 so was his radicalisation from Nigeria, Togo or UK?

You talk like there wasn't Eastern Roman military presence in Persia snd Arabia from the late 6th century?

What I ask is that,
Would it be right if USA attempt to wage war on Nigeria because of this event?

All I am showing you is that it is you Muslims who wage the wars against others: there is NOTHING defensive about Mohammed's war with Christians AND Qur'an 9:28-29 have no basis of application on Christians.

Shurahbil ibn Amr the Governor and representative of the vassal Ghassanid confederation (authority) under the Byzantine Empire in southern Syria region was Christian.

He killed the emissary of Prophet Muhammad pbuh Al-Harith bin `Umair Al-Azdi or didn't he?
What was the provocation?

I failed to ask if AbdulMutallab successfully carried out an attack?

Do Jews who are accused of persecuting and getting Jesus crucified accept this statement?

You talked about disciples being deceived however how many of them if any was present at the actual crucifixion?

Do Jews and Judaism believe in the crucifixion of Jesus?

Judaism does not agree that Jesus was crucified. In fact, the crucifixion of Jesus is a pivotal point of divergence between Judaism and Christianity. According to Jewish beliefs, Jesus was not the messiah and therefore could not have been crucified as the messiah.

The concept of the messiah in Judaism is very different from the one in Christianity. In Judaism, the messiah is seen as a human leader who will bring peace and prosperity to the world, restore the Jewish people to their homeland, and rebuild the temple in Jerusalem. Jesus did not fulfill these criteria, so he cannot be considered the messiah in the Jewish faith.

You may say that when Jesus returns he will do this but the question is will the jews keep waiting for this and in this coming will Jesus according to your views not be coming to judge? How then will he judge the jews who wouldn't have had the chance to know him as the messiah?

Also why are there differing views as to which day Jesus was allegedly crucified? Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? Why the confusing non consensus?

Ohyoudidnt:
Shurahbil ibn Amr the Governor and representative of the vassal Ghassanid confederation (authority) under the Byzantine Empire in southern Syria region was Christian.

He killed the emissary of Prophet Muhammad pbuh Al-Harith bin `Umair Al-Azdi or didn't he?
What was the provocation?

I failed to ask if AbdulMutallab successfully carried out an attack?

Do Jews who are accused of persecuting and getting Jesus crucified accept this statement?

You talked about disciples being deceived however how many of them if any was present at the actual crucifixion?

John the Disciple of Jesus was present
Mary the Mother of Jesus was present... amongst others.

John 19:25-27:
"Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he said to his mother, Woman, behold your son! Then said he to the disciple, Behold your mother! And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home."

What do you have other than conjectures?

Ohyoudidnt:
Do Jews and Judaism believe in the crucifixion of Jesus?

Judaism does not agree that Jesus was crucified. In fact, the crucifixion of Jesus is a pivotal point of divergence between Judaism and Christianity. According to Jewish beliefs, Jesus was not the messiah and therefore could not have been crucified as the messiah.

The concept of the messiah in Judaism is very different from the one in Christianity. In Judaism, the messiah is seen as a human leader who will bring peace and prosperity to the world, restore the Jewish people to their homeland, and rebuild the temple in Jerusalem. Jesus did not fulfill these criteria, so he cannot be considered the messiah in the Jewish faith.

You may say that when Jesus returns he will do this but the question is will the jews keep waiting for this and in this coming will Jesus according to your views not be coming to judge? How then will he judge the jews who wouldn't have had the chance to know him as the messiah?

Also why are there differing views as to which day Jesus was allegedly crucified? Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? Why the confusing non consensus?

Muslims can lie for Africa even against the words of Allah.

I guess it was the Romans speaking here
Qur'an 4:157
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah"; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Are you contradicting the almighty Allah?

There is no argument against when Jesus was Crucified - the day of preparation for the high sabbath on Thursday sir.

TenQ:

Muslims can lie for Africa even against the words of Allah.

I guess it was the Romans speaking here
Qur'an 4:157
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah"; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Are you contradicting the almighty Allah?

There is no argument against when Jesus was Crucified - the day of preparation for the high sabbath on Thursday sir.

Is what I say false?
1. Do jews and Judaism agree with the Christian belief of a crucified Jesus?

2. Do Christuans not say the kingdom of Jesus is not of this world?

3. Does this dispute not agree with and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not?

4. Do the early council meetings up until the enforcement of the Trinitarian doctrine by the Romans not also fit into doubts about the nature of Jesus and what actually happened?

TenQ:

John the Disciple of Jesus was present
Mary the Mother of Jesus was present... amongst others.

John 19:25-27:
"Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he said to his mother, Woman, behold your son! Then said he to the disciple, Behold your mother! And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home."

What do you have other than conjectures?

5. Of all 12 disciples only John is reported to have witnessed the Crucifixion. How strangely convincing? You refer to Mary his mother and Mary Magdalene witnessing the crucifixion and I ask if they too are classified as disciples?

6. Where are clear statements of Mary on the crucifixion process?

Ohyoudidnt:


Is what I say false?
1. Do jews and Judaism agree with the Christian belief of a crucified Jesus?

Yes!
Even Allah testified to it.

Ohyoudidnt:

2. Do Christuans not say the kingdom of Jesus is not of this world?

True

Ohyoudidnt:

3. Does this dispute not agree with and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not?

Only Muslims are confused over it.

The Jews even boast about it (because the killed Jesus)
The Christians rejoice in it (Because Jesus resurected from the dead)
Muslims are full of uncertainty about it.
Till today, they don't know who was crucified.
They don't know how He was taken to heaven.

Muslims alone are full of conjectures

Ohyoudidnt:

4. Do the early council meetings up until the enforcement of the Trinitarian doctrine by the Romans not also fit into doubts about the nature of Jesus and what actually happened?

Using your Argument :
1. Taoheed is not found in the Qur'an
2. Mohammed never used the word Taoheed in the hadiths
Therefore, the Caliphs after Mohammed and your scholars enforced Taoheed unto you Muslims.

How about that?

Ohyoudidnt:

5. Of all 12 disciples only John is reported to have witnessed the Crucifixion. How strangely convincing? You refer to Mary his mother and Mary Magdalene witnessing the crucifixion and I ask if they too are classified as disciples?

All followers of Jesus including the 12 Apostles were disciples of Christ.

Mat 27:57: "When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:"

Luk 14:26: "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brothers, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

Luk 19:37: "And when he was come near, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;"

John 6:66: "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him."

Acts 1:15: "And in those days Peter stood up in the middle of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty, )"

Ohyoudidnt:

6. Where are clear statements of Mary on the crucifixion process?

Must she talk at the cross where her son was crucified and in pains?

Very comical.

TenQ:

Yes!
Even Allah testified to it.


True



Only Muslims are confused over it.

The Jews even boast about it (because the killed Jesus)
The Christians rejoice in it (Because Jesus resurected from the dead)
Muslims are full of uncertainty about it.
Till today, they don't know who was crucified.
They don't know how He was taken to heaven.

Muslims alone are full of conjectures



Using your Argument :
1. Taoheed is not found in the Qur'an
2. Mohammed never used the word Taoheed in the hadiths
Therefore, the Caliphs after Mohammed and your scholars enforced Taoheed unto you Muslims.

How about that?


All followers of Jesus including the 12 Apostles were disciples of Christ.

Mat 27:57: "When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:"

Luk 14:26: "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brothers, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

Luk 19:37: "And when he was come near, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;"

John 6:66: "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him."

Acts 1:15: "And in those days Peter stood up in the middle of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty, )"


Must she talk at the cross where her son was crucified and in pains?

Allah testifies to it in a book you disagree with? My point is what exactly do the jews say in their own books?


Christians say the Kingdom of Jesus is not of this world but what messiah do the jews expect? The one with a kingdom not in this world? Jews expert a messiah who will restore Israel to them and rebuild the temple isn't it?

Christians are strongly tied to the crucifixion story as stories in other myths yet Jesus was a jew and spoke against the acts of the Judaic leaders.

For a certainty there can be no Christianity unless the lie of crucifying the christ is not upheld.

The Taoheed is a concept of monotheism and very many verses of the Quran speak of this. The Trinitarian belief is mainly implied and needed council meetings to address these difference and enforce such belief. This was in a Roman state where Christians were being persecuted. How easy is it to align with what the prosecutors say that seem to agree with parts of your faith? A win-win for the persecuted and persecutors isn't it? Similar suggestion was made to Muhammad pbuh and this was flatly refused.

You share verses but it is very well established that Jesus had 12 disciples particularly mentioned as his followers.

Does Matthew 10:2-4 not name these 12 disciples?

Does Mark 3:16-19 not say Jesus appointed these 12 disciples?

Your narration tries to force that Jesus appointed other disciples but this is capital NO sir.

Why must Mary not talk? Or was she prevented? Why does not a another witness that was this close and is said to have witnessed it all not say what happened?

Is it untrue that Pilate was surprised to hear that he was already dead. Summoning the centurion, he asked him if Jesus had already died as stated in Mark 15:44

In anycase you are free to believe your fantasy or conviction but don't impose it on me or others.

Ohyoudidnt:
Very comical.

Allah testifies to it in a book you disagree with? My point is what exactly do the jews say in their own books?

Please quote what the Jews say in their Talmud as I know of nothing.
Why do you doubt the words of Allah: you made the claim remember it wasn't me!

Ohyoudidnt:
Very comical.
Christians say the Kingdom of Jesus is not of this world but what messiah do the jews expect? The one with a kingdom not in this world? Jews expert a messiah who will restore Israel to them and rebuild the temple isn't it?

The Jews killed Jesus because they are at variance with his doctrine.
You are making my point.

Do you think the Jews will kill their Messiah?

Ohyoudidnt:
Very comical.

Christians are strongly tied to the crucifixion story as stories in other myths yet Jesus was a jew and spoke against the acts of the Judaic leaders.

For a certainty there can be no Christianity unless the lie of crucifying the christ is not upheld.

The crucifixion of Jesus is NO myth. It is history. It is Allah and his prophet that created a myth about the cruxifoof Jesus. This is why you have no explanation for anything about it.

Even Atheistic secular scholars do not disagree with the crucifixion of Jesus.

Show me one single non Muslim that thinks it's a myth

Ohyoudidnt:
Very comical.
The Taoheed is a concept of monotheism and very many verses of the Quran speak of this. The Trinitarian belief is mainly implied and needed council meetings to address these difference and enforce such belief. This was in a Roman state where Christians were being persecuted. How easy is it to align with what the prosecutors say that seem to agree with parts of your faith? A win-win for the persecuted and persecutors isn't it? Similar suggestion was made to Muhammad pbuh and this was flatly refused.

Then show me one verse of the Qur'an with the word Taoheed on just one place in the hadith your prophet mentioned the word Taoheed.?

Taoheed was enforced on you Muslims by people who were not even prophets of Allah

Ohyoudidnt:


You share verses but it is very well established that Jesus had 12 disciples particularly mentioned as his followers.

Does Matthew 10:2-4 not name these 12 disciples?

Does Mark 3:16-19 not say Jesus appointed these 12 disciples?

Your narration tries to force that Jesus appointed other disciples but this is capital NO sir.

I guess you have a problem of Comprehension. Disciple is a generic word for followers of Jesus and it includes the 12 Apostles who are also disciples.

Luk 6:13:
"And when it was day, he called to him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;"

Jesus did not appoint disciples He appointed Apostles who were first disciples.
English comprehensive is disturbing you fa!

Ohyoudidnt:

Why must Mary not talk? Or was she prevented? Why does not a another witness that was this close and is said to have witnessed it all not say what happened?

Then force her to talk.

Ohyoudidnt:

Is it untrue that Pilate was surprised to hear that he was already dead. Summoning the centurion, he asked him if Jesus had already died as stated in Mark 15:44

In anycase you are free to believe your fantasy or conviction but don't impose it on me or others.

Oh, they said a person CANNOT die until such has spent 20 straight hour on the cross?

I heard from Ahmed Deedat that Jesus fell into a swoon on the cross and the fresh breeze woke him up. Is it true?

Please let me know!

TenQ:

Please quote what the Jews say in their Talmud as I know of nothing.
Why do you doubt the words of Allah: you made the claim remember it wasn't me!



The Jews killed Jesus because they are at variance with his doctrine.
You are making my point.

Do you think the Jews will kill their Messiah?




The crucifixion of Jesus is NO myth. It is history. It is Allah and his prophet that created a myth about the cruxifoof Jesus. This is why you have no explanation for anything about it.

Even Atheistic secular scholars do not disagree with the crucifixion of Jesus.

Show me one single non Muslim that thinks it's a myth


Then show me one verse of the Qur'an with the word Taoheed on just one place in the hadith your prophet mentioned the word Taoheed.?

Taoheed was enforced on you Muslims by people who were not even prophets of Allah



I guess you have a problem of Comprehension. Disciple is a generic word for followers of Jesus and it includes the 12 Apostles who are also disciples.

Luk 6:13:
"And when it was day, he called to him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;"

Jesus did not appoint disciples He appointed Apostles who were first disciples.
English comprehensive is disturbing you fa!




Then force her to talk.



Oh, they said a person CANNOT die until such has spent 20 straight hour on the cross?

I heard from Ahmed Deedat that Jesus fell into a swoon on the cross and the fresh breeze woke him up. Is it true?

Please let me know!

You see the complication of your problem. The jewish priests could not on their own kill Jesus for disparaging their ways but cooked up an allegation of treason for which the Roman rulers are said to have been compelled to crucify him.

Is what is said in Mark 15:44 put there by one who had no right to? Does it not clearly state that Pilate was surprised he was already dead?

Are you familiar with the phrase hidden in plain sight ?

You see the subtle clues in only 1 appointed disciple being present, surprise of Pilate at the quickness of his death?


Anyway as I say it's your belief or fantasy so please do it very well for yourself

Ohyoudidnt:
Shurahbil ibn Amr the Governor and representative of the vassal Ghassanid confederation (authority) under the Byzantine Empire in southern Syria region was Christian.

He killed the emissary of Prophet Muhammad pbuh Al-Harith bin `Umair Al-Azdi or didn't he?
What was the provocation?

I thought that Al-Harith bin `Umair Al-Azdi died in the battle of Badr?

Please judge this case:
I went to Saudi Arabia as a Missionary of Jesus Christ to convert Saudi citizens to Islam. If someone out of zeal murdered me for trespassing, have they done evil?

Who provoked who in this case (as the Saudi citizens are not irreligious)?

Ohyoudidnt:

I failed to ask if AbdulMutallab successfully carried out an attack?

Do Jews who are accused of persecuting and getting Jesus crucified accept this statement?

You talked about disciples being deceived however how many of them if any was present at the actual crucifixion?

Did he carry out his order?
Did his explosive not backfire?

Except you provide Jewish sources on the contrary, they crucified Jesus with the help of the Roman government.

Even One Disciple is enough because they were afraid. But the Bible listed at least five disciples (one man and four women)

Ohyoudidnt:


You see the complication of your problem. The jewish priests could not on their own kill Jesus for disparaging their ways but cooked up an allegation of treason for which the Roman rulers are said to have been compelled to crucify him.

Is what is said in Mark 15:44 put there by one who had no right to? Does it not clearly state that Pilate was surprised he was already dead?

Are you familiar with the phrase hidden in plain sight ?

You see the subtle clues in only 1 appointed disciple being present, surprise of Pilate at the quickness of his death?


Anyway as I say it's your belief or fantasy so please do it very well for yourself

If I understand you correctly, your view is that
1. Jesus was crucified on the cross
2. However, Jesus did not die on the cross
If this is correct,
can you please fill me in to exactly what happened to Jesus up to when he was taken to Allah in heaven except its all a conjecture.

What is the true story sir?

TenQ:

If I understand you correctly, your view is that
1. Jesus was crucified on the cross
2. However, Jesus did not die on the cross
If this is correct,
can you please fill me in to exactly what happened to Jesus up to when he was taken to Allah in heaven except its all a conjecture.

What is the true story sir?

Does your belief need support? Are you seeking validation for your belief?

وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ
They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him

Ohyoudidnt:


Anyway as I say it's your belief or fantasy so please do it very well for yourself

Ohyoudidnt:


Does your belief need support? Are you seeking validation for your belief?

وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ
They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him

So all your knowledge is merely conjectured!?
I am disappointed!

You cannot even assent to your claim, are you a coward!?

Again!
If I understand you correctly, your view is that
1. Jesus was crucified on the cross
2. However, Jesus did not die on the cross

Are you standing with this claim or not?

The Righteous are as BOLD as Lions!