PLS NOTE THAT I AM NOT SAYING THAT ALL UNCIRCUMCISED COCKS SMELL!!!

THEY SMELL IF THEY ARE NOT CLEANED PROPERLY! SWEAT AND DIRT ACCUMULATE.

dirt and sweat dont accumulate on circumcised ones?

spoilt:

dirt and sweat don't accumulate on circumcised ones?

Not only that, but sweat and dirt do not accumulate in vaginas?

Trust me, I KNOW that ladies do not always smell fresh.

Again, there is a very strong defense mechanism to rationalize and justify the practice of male circumcision, much in the same way advocates of female circumcision do.

walcolm:

@Fufu_King

i looked at your post history on the topic and i take it u are uncircumcised.

be that as it may, you need to understand that the purpose of this thread is not to criticise circumcision or uncircumcision but to look at the concept from various point of views. there's nothing to be touchy about, it's always better to look at things objectively simply for their own merit. there are so many links on this thread that points you to sites where you can read professional views on the topic to make informed decisions and conclusions and i think that is what you shld do.

if you are a professional in the medical field and you made the comment that 'babies can break bones like an adult' (refer to your reply to my earlier post), then somebody needs to revoke your license because you don't know your sh-t but i believ you are not in the medical field.

i can assure you that if you talk to any WHO official concerning those stats, they will tell you that, it is a best estimate and not accurate based on the data available to them at the time of putting together the report. most of the countries in your list are third world countries where medical records are not kept, where health services are poor and people believe more in traditional practises for things like circumcision because for them the driving force behind circumcision is either culture or religion not health, so how do u expect this people to have routine medical practise of circumcision? what u saw in the WHO report is talking about countries where circumcision is part of the routine medical service you get from hospital

Again, what does the status of my privates have to do with this argument?

I am very informed and have read many different viewpoints on this issue. Trust me.

No, I'm not a medical professional, but you said that babies/children cannot break their bones. This is categorically false. The bones of children are more pliable, and therefore less likely to break than an adult, but breaks can and do happen. I should know, my cousin broke his leg when he was 1.

As for your dismissal of the WHO data, I think you're wrong. The data included the Phillipines, which does not perform "routine medical circumcision" but traditional circumcisions. Specifically WHICH countries in doubt of? Are you saying that you do not believe it is a fact that the majority of men in the world are not circumcised?

It's a known fact that the Chinese do not circumcise their boys. In India the only ethnic group that circumcises are the Muslims. The African countries I quoted not only looked at the babies, but also the status of the men. It's well-documented for example, that the practice of circumcision died off in Zimbabwe due to the influence of Christian missionaries who thought the practice barbaric. Latin America and Europe are overwhelmingly non-circumcising areas. Same for Japan and circumcision has declined drastically in Austrailia. In fact, several provinces are BANNING circumcisions. So exactly which countries do you believe practice circumcision but have been mislabeled?

why??

@poster
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NO debating d issue bcause dat's ur opinion n ur entitled 2 ur opinion. Go on carry your wish but just remember dat ur child is also entittled 2 his opinion too.

pls i need someone to explain d meaning of circumsision. y is it important and wot are d risks if not done. pple seem to advocate against female circumsision and advocate for male circumsision

Scientific/Medical Reasons to Circumcise According to Medical Journals:

• Eliminates the risk of phimosis, which affects 1 in 10 older boys and men.
• Over 20-fold decrease in risk of invasive penile cancer, which has a high fatality rate or requires penile amputation.
• Uncircumcised men have 1½ – 2 times the risk of prostate cancer,
• Circumcision reduces by up to 5 times the risk of the man’s female partner being infected by chlamydia
or getting cervical cancer (which is caused by human papillomavirus).  PROTECTION FOR HIS FUTURE SPOUSE
• If not circumcised soon after birth, up to 10% will later require one anyway for medical reasons.

Refs:
http://www.gilgalsoc.org (The Gilgal Society)
http://www.aboutcirc.info (Dr. Cox)
http://www.circumcision.com.au (Dr. Russell)
http://www.circumcisioninfo.com (Dr. Lacock)
http://www.samkuninmd.com (Dr. Kunin)

All of those links are to organisations that support circumcision - so of course they make it sound good.

You can find just as many links going to anti-circumcision sites.

Outside of the benefit to the (female), sexual partner, I am not sure I have a very strong opinion on this.  That said, the Pro-Snip movement seems to have stronger backing from independent medical sources than Contre-snip.

Please see links to articles from Mayo Clinic one of the top leading independent research organizations in the States.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/circumcision/PR00040

In addition, the official American Association of Pediatrics (AAP) brochure on circ, appears to fall just shy of an endorsement for which the association was criticised by its Contre-snip members.  The Assoc stood by its 'benefits of circumcision list'
http://www.aap.org/publiced/BR_Circumcision.htm

The only strong backing I see for Contre-snip  is from Johns Hopkins which links up with the Australian Contre-Snip organization, CIRC.org, whose strongest argument seems to be based on the bioethics of circumcision without the chief participants' (babies), permission.

Both the British MEdical Association and the American Medical Association official position is that non-medical circumcision is not recommended.

Obirin0521:

Outside of the benefit to the (female), sexual partner, I am not sure I have a very strong opinion on this. That said, the Pro-Snip movement seems to have stronger backing from independent medical sources than Contre-snip.

Please see links to articles from Mayo Clinic one of the top leading independent research organizations in the States.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/circumcision/PR00040

In addition, the official American Association of Pediatrics (AAP) brochure on circ, appears to fall just shy of an endorsement for which the association was criticised by its Contre-snip members. The Assoc stood by its 'benefits of circumcision list'
http://www.aap.org/publiced/BR_Circumcision.htm

The only strong backing I see for Contre-snip is from Johns Hopkins which links up with the Australian Contre-Snip organization, CIRC.org, whose strongest argument seems to be based on the bioethics of circumcision without the chief participants' (babies), permission.

And what about all of the complications as a result of circumcision that I posted before and cited in the report in Nigieria? Complications like penile adhesions, amputation of the glans, bleeding, infections, and in some rare cases death. Don't forget meatal stenosis in the baby years and also the fact that penile inflammation is much more likely to happen to circumcised boys.

"This study prospectively documents the incidence of penile inflammation in a consecutive sample of boys according to circumcision status whose visit with the physician included a genital examination in a private primary care pediatric practice in rural northern Wisconsin. Penile inflammation was more common in circumcised than noncircumcised boys, especially in the first 3 years of life (exact odds ratio, 8.01, 95% confidence interval, 31-329.15). When adjusted for the number of genital examinations and age younger than 3 years, exact logistic regression found an adjusted exact odds ratio of 7.91 (95% confidence interval, 1.76-77.66). The study found that rather than protecting against penile inflammation, neonatal circumcision increases the risk of penile inflammation, particularly in boys younger than 3 years old."

http://cpj.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/46/4/329

There is plenty of medical and scientific data out there that supports not circumcising. Which is why NHS and many other health organizations, including Austrailian ones which have banned the practice in many hospitals, have statements that say circumcision is not beneficial.

An example of circumcision gone wrong:

http://www.genitalintegrity.net/blouch/2007/10/17/my-son-almost-died/



How is this any different from female genital mutilation?

You're going too far. Someone may read that and go ahead to circumcise her baby girl (since it's "the same")

Seun:

You're going too far. Someone may read that and go ahead to circumcise her baby girl (since it's "the same"

That wasn't my point. My point was if we agree that female genital mutilation is wrong, after reading that story, how is male circumcision different?

Fufu King:

An example of circumcision gone wrong:

http://www.genitalintegrity.net/blouch/2007/10/17/my-son-almost-died/



How is this any different from female genital mutilation?

thank God the mama was a nurse,cos it coulda gone the other way.
i think she was supposed to be there, i mean with the doctors when the procedure was taking place.and am having a feeling that aint a proper hospital she went to cos why would u send someone bleeding home with a totally naive mother.the registration of the hospital needs to be checked.
she coulda sued the doctor or hospital for unproffessional conduct.

please tell me how circumcision is done in a man or woman
please forgive my ignorance !!!!

Emad:

please tell me how circumcision is done in a man or woman
please forgive my ignorance !!!!

can Fufu king please do a comparative analysis and also pics will be highly appreciated.cheers



as an aside, cant u just google it.doesnt take so much to do abi?

seun001:

can Fufu king please do a comparative analysis and also pics will be highly appreciated.cheers



as an aside, can't u just google it.doesnt take so much to do abi?

LOL! Hush now seun001.

Emad, circumcision in men is the removal of the prepuce, also known as the foreskin. Circumcisions can be "loose", as in they leave more foreskin behind, or they can be tight, where a lot of skin is removed.

Circumcision in women has many different types. The least "severe" and the one that is directly comparable to male circumcision, is the removal of the female prepuce, also known as the clitoral hood. Other harsher forms of female circumcision include clitoridectomy, the removal of the clitoris, the excision of the labia minora and then there is infibulation, where everything is scraped off and the vagina is sewn up tight, leaving only a small hold.

thanks Fufu King ( what a weird name )

But My GODDDDDDDDDD what the Fck do people do these terrible things to children for?
hey especially the one for girls?

HeLL no i not fit circumcise my child, it will cause he / she so much Pain ohhhh God helpppppp noooooooo

Na you sabi, Just wait until you have them, we can begin further arguement.

I guess it brings about the question of "To be or not to be circumcised"??

That's your choice,  but not going through with it for your boy WILL GREATLY REDUCE HIS RESISTANCE TO THE HIV SCOURGE!!!
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Think am well o. 
Wouldn't want you saddened in future.     
The earlier the better; before you end up circumcising a teenager/adult         

seun please do not let madam have a baby, the pain is to much

I have a son and chose not to circumsize him. I spoke to a lot of specialists and doctors who all agreed there was no medical reason to have it done. Only for religious reasons. My son is 10 and has never had an infection or bladder, urine problem. He is as healthy as he can be. The doctor explained to me how it needed to be cleaned properly so when my boy was old enough i taught him to clean it properly. I explained my choice to him as to why i didnt get him done and that he can choose for himself now he is older. Its his body and he can make the choice wether to cut bits off or not. Its very difficult to even find a doctor here that will do it. So its not unusual here to be or not to be.

People will find any reason to back up there decisions but for me i couldnt see the point in cutting bits off my baby for no reason other than vanity. As i said before, if he doesnt like it or wants it off i will support his choice. For him, he doesnt know any different.

*shrugs* apart from religion and tradition i think male circumcision has benefits

its more hygeinic, its not a neccesacity u circumcise him if u dont share religous or cultural beliefs about it, socially ive heard enuff stories to put me off an uncircucised dude- plus the idea of it smelling?? i dont think so

some say why

some say why not

female circumcision is unnecasary and unhealthy- theres nothing good abt cutting off a womans focal place!

I will circumcise mine.

Tink_sh:

I have a son and chose not to circumsize him. I spoke to a lot of specialists and doctors who all agreed there was no medical reason to have it done. Only for religious reasons. My son is 10 and has never had an infection or bladder, urine problem. He is as healthy as he can be. The doctor explained to me how it needed to be cleaned properly so when my boy was old enough i taught him to clean it properly. I explained my choice to him as to why i didnt get him done and that he can choose for himself now he is older. Its his body and he can make the choice wether to cut bits off or not. Its very difficult to even find a doctor here that will do it. So its not unusual here to be or not to be.

People will find any reason to back up there decisions but for me i couldnt see the point in cutting bits off my baby for no reason other than vanity. As i said before, if he doesnt like it or wants it off i will support his choice. For him, he doesnt know any different.

this is what i dont get with oyinbo people, you are explain to a 10 year old boy

when he grows old he will come back to you explaining why he cant get a girlfriend!!!

the earlier the better- yours too late now

Dis Guy:

this is what i dont get with oyinbo people, you are explain to a 10 year old boy

when he grows old he will come back to you explaining why he cant get a girlfriend!!!

the earlier the better- yours too late now

Please dont use race as an example and generalise. I was talking about my own choice not on behalf of white people!!! I have friends that got their son done. I explained it to him cos he had to know how to clean himself properly, thats called being a mother. I am saying that the doctors wont do it here unless there is a medical reason and my son did not have a medical problem. Thats just rubbish about not getting a girlfriend. As i said earlier, not many are done here so it wont be an issue. If he sees it as a problem later he can cut it off. No harm no foul!

I hate my mom for not circumcising me