raumdeuter:


Lehman, Lahm Metzelder Rio, Hargreaves Frings Ballack Gerrard Lampard Klose Rooney

Andy Cole over lahm no debate, Nobody is breaking Terry and Rio partnership and seriously ballack

raumdeuter:


Italy and England
Buffon, Zambrotta Cannavaro Nesta Cashley Pirlo Gattuso Lampard Gerrard Rooney Totti

Grosso, Toni, Materazzi, Perotta, Camorensi, Zambrotta and Gattuso all started in the final . None of them were better than the players England had in those positions - Gattuso is the only one for which this could even be debatable.

Kimbeast:

We are talking about the England team.

But the supposed England super squad players are not the best whatever position you assigned them you claimed in your initial post na?

Why was ur best left back in the game?

I asked you for what metrics u used in assigning the positions u are turning amala. Baba dey plead 5th

BlueRayDick:


But the supposed England super squad players are not the best whatever position you assigned them you claimed in your initial post na?

Why was ur best left back in the game?

I asked you for what metrics u used in assigning the positions u are turning amala.

Are you alright? Terry and Ferdinand were not the best in their position or Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard,Owen,becks,Rooney etc just stop. If the only thing you do is go to Google and look at Wikipedia then forget about it.

Kimbeast:

Andy Cole over lahm no debate, Nobody is breaking Terry and Rio partnership and seriously ballack

Lahm was a better left back than Cashley Cole ever was. Rio Terry partnership was so useless that they couldnt even qualify for the Euro 2008.

Tell who will you bench Ballack for

Kimbeast:

Are you alright? Terry and Ferdinand were not the best in their position or Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard,Owen,becks,Rooney etc just stop. If the only thing you do is go to Google and look at Wikipedia then forget about it.

Tery and Rio were not the best in their position, Their club defensive partners were the best in their position

BlueRayDick:


You obviously didn't get my point when I said pep can't use every Tom, dick and harry. we all know Pep has a pattern he prefers to play which has been why he's won everything he's won. Those players you mentioned- Keita, Pique etc fit in into his playing style. Now look at what happened when he got to city....before he even got to city he already made it known Joe Hart won't be a starter. By the time he won his first league he had weeded out most players he feel won't fit into his team.

He is good coach no doubt, but you think he can overhaul the team like that in a national team ? Where will he get the players from?

Of what use will Guardiola brilliant tactics be when the players can't execute his style? Abi you think Lampard, Gerrad will pass , pass , pass and not shoot like Guardiola will want ?

See Rooney just dey talk based on how high he valued those players, he's not considering the quality of players available in other countries around that same period.

I refuse to believe he would've won world cup and Euros with that England team with teams like Spain having players popping up in the balon d'or that same period

These players have played under different managers at club level and adapted well so I don't think they will find it hard with pep tactics.infact they didn't only adapted well they were decimating top clubs from top European clubs as at then the likes of bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Barcelona, who made chunk of this other Spanish or German teams were regularly dominated by this English side at club level so in no doubt with good management they would replicate the same performance at national level. Beside What skills do Kevin Debruyne possess that lampard, Gerrard, Scholes were lacking them would have made not not suit pep style? Or is it Carrick that pep himself spoke highly of would find it difficult to fit into pep style? Let's not even talk about a beast like Rooney who was good on the ball on the feet a typical pep kind of pep striker? The list is endless.

Kimbeast:

Grosso, Toni, Materazzi, Perotta, Camorensi, Zambrotta and Gattuso all started in the final . None of them were better than the players England had in those positions - Gattuso is the only one for which this could even be debatable.

I might have to ask how old you were because you dont post like someone who watched football in the 2000s and was just reading English papers

How can any English right back be better than Zambrotta or Nesta was in the tournament for Italy and no one since the last centry or when football started in England will bench Nesta

Greatihex:
The ucl is about to start now.

Which teams do you think are favorites to win the CL?

No be when time reach now, we go begin argue on who be favorites before the league start.

Mine:
Manchester City
Liverpool
Barcelona
Juventus
PSG

Cc Ibime, airmark, afrodoc2, nihilistjnr, Unlimited22, raumdeuter and others

No real Madrid?

raumdeuter:


Lahm was a better left back than Cashley Cole ever was. Rio Terry partnership was so useless that they couldnt even qualify for the Euro 2008.

Tell who will you bench Ballack for

Stop with the disrespect England underachieved doesn't mean meltz will break the Rio and terry partnership. Who the Bleep is ballack seriously . The only thing lahm had over Cole was consistency.

Kimbeast:

Are you alright? Terry and Ferdinand were not the best in their position or Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard,Owen,becks,Rooney etc just stop. If the only thing you do is go to Google and look at Wikipedia then forget about it.

Oga! You claimed England had arguably the best team in the world 10 years ago, that was debunked. You turned back and and admitted not reading it right.

Now u brought England 2006 world cup team and Italy's 2006 team up to buttress the point of the England golden generation being better than what other countries have on display. You will not agree Rooney was not better than Luca Toni as at that time, you will not agree had a team that was well balanced in all department(having an extremely good defenders, compact midfieders and strikers that deliver).

Maybe you should forget it really.

Kimbeast:

Mbappe going to world cup 2018 was special talk less of Rooney back then in 2006 man please stop tripping. Man for man England was better than most teams in that tournament,poor management and bad luck was their downfall.

Imagine thinking England wouldn't make euro 2008 at the expense of Croatia with pep guardiola as their manager

Kimbeast:

Stop with the disrespect England underachieved doesn't mean meltz will break the Rio and terry partnership. Who the Bleep is ballack seriously . The only thing lahm had over Cole was consistency.

Tell us with clear eye that Terry Rio was better than Canavaro and Nesta. Which stupid Rio Terry partnership?

Who the Bleep is Ballack? Guy if you no watch football no dey yarn dust here

Kimbeast:

Mbappe going to world cup 2018 was special talk less of Rooney back then in 2006 man please stop tripping. Man for man England was better than most teams in that tournament,poor management and bad luck was their downfall.

Imagine thinking pep as England manager and not making euro 2008 with Croatia coming to Wembley to take maximum point

raumdeuter:


Tery and Rio were not the best in their position, Their club defensive partners were the best in their position

Exactly. vidic is better than Ferdinand. Even utd fans know this

Kimbeast:

Stop with the disrespect England underachieved doesn't mean meltz will break the Rio and terry partnership. Who the Bleep is ballack seriously . The only thing lahm had over Cole was consistency.

The Ballack that Ferguson offered Man Utd captain band if he moved to Old Trafford is the one you are asking who the Bleep is Ballack?
The Ballack that took Leverkusen and Germany to the finals

raumdeuter:


Lahm was a better left back than Cashley Cole ever was. Rio Terry partnership was so useless that they couldnt even qualify for the Euro 2008.

Tell who will you bench Ballack for

They were useless because they never had good manager.

raumdeuter:


Tery and Rio were not the best in their position, Their club defensive partners were the best in their position

Peak Rio (06-09) No defender in EPL History that was better than that version of him. Vidic and Carvalho were monster defenders but Terry and Ferdinand gelled the whole defense together and lifted the teams entire defensive system. Stop being biased

BlueRayDick:


But the supposed England super squad players are not the best whatever position you assigned them you claimed in your initial post na?

Why was ur best left back in the game?

I asked you for what metrics u used in assigning the positions u are turning amala. Baba dey plead 5th

Those players from other countries were only rated higher than the English players on the basis of their performance for national side and not club side.

raumdeuter:


I know people at the citadel are not very smart

Out of 38 games in the league in the 2015/16 season, Rodgers coached Liverpool 8 games and Klopp the rest 30 games, So who is to blame?
The man who coached 8 games or the one who coached 30

Oga stop disgracing yourself.

Sometimes you go just dey disgrace yourself.

Like Mourinho said in the post i shared up there, it is only a team in crisis that hires a manager mid season.
Klopp came in to a team that was in mid table, had sold their best player, were low on morale, he did not have a preseason with them, no signing, at a busy period of the season; yet he was able to reach two finals.
That is what you want to compare with some one that even had staff employed before him in preparation of his coming.
He came to a team that just won a trophy, made ucl semi, and were not in any form of crisis.
Pep had a preseason, signed players etc, but could not even look like challenging for any trophy.



It is not Everything that you should argue
I no get time for this

popizaino:



Those players from other countries were only rated higher than the English players on the basis of their performance for national side and not club side.

So Ronaldinho, Messi, Drogba, C Ronaldo, Kaka, Puyol were rated above England players because they performed so well for their countries ?

Abi I'm not reading u well ni?

raumdeuter:


Tell us with clear eye that Terry Rio was better than Canavaro and Nesta. Which stupid Rio Terry partnership?

Who the Bleep is Ballack? Guy if you no watch football no dey yarn dust here

Yes who the fffuuck is Ballack. 2 season wonder and a serial loser.

popizaino:



They were useless because they never had good manager.

Exactly my point. They underachieved because of lack of a good manager not because of poor players.

Kimbeast:

Peak Rio (06-09) No defender in EPL History that was better than that version of him. Vidic and Carvalho were monster defenders but Terry and Ferdinand gelled the whole defense together and lifted the teams entire defensive system. Stop being biased

There is nothing like peak Rio, All what you saw was Vidic doing the work. There was a season Rio was injured for most of it and Man Utd team didnt even miss him and still won the title

Greatihex:


Oga stop disgracing yourself.

Sometimes you go just dey disgrace yourself.

Like Mourinho said in the post i shared up there, it is only a team in crisis that hires a manager mid season.
Klopp came in to a team that was in mid table, had sold their best player, were low on morale, he did not have a preseason with them, no signing, at a busy period of the season; yet he was able to reach two finals.
That is what you want to compare with some one that even had staff employed before him in preparation of his coming.
He came to a team that just won a trophy, made ucl semi, and were not in any form of crisis.
Pep had a preseason, signed players etc, but could not even look like challenging for any trophy.



It is not Everything that you should argue
I no get time for this

Thats why you are a morron, WHo asked you for reasons Klopp didnt perform? You think Pep didn't have his reasons for his first season?

Someone said Klopp started performing immediately and his league position the first season disagreed because he finished 10th

That is why engaging your sense is important

Its the same xteristics of all citadel students all are morrons

Kimbeast:

Yes who the fffuuck is Ballack. 2 season wonder and a serial loser.

This comment just showed who you are in football and how limited your knowledge is

Best midfielder in a CL. Best midfielder in a world cup, A player Ferguson was begging with captain band is the same one you are talking about in the same sentence as those overrated English pieces of shitt

raumdeuter:


There is nothing like peak Rio, All what you saw was Vidic doing the work. There was a season Rio was injured for most of it and Man Utd team didnt even miss him and still won the title

Bwhahahaha Peak Rio produced the two best defensive performances under Fergie against Barca with Wes Brown as partner. You don't know anything.

popizaino:
They were useless because they never had good manager.

They were useless because they are useless.

Kimbeast:

Bwhahahaha Peak Rio produced the two best defensive performances under Fergie against Barca with Wes Brown as partner. You don't know anything.

How do you produce the best defensive performance when the entire team was defending and bunkering? And barely went past the Center line

Just the way Mikel Bosingwa Luiz produced one of the best Chelsea defensive performance vs Barca and Bayern. How hard is that when the entire team was in their box blocking shots

raumdeuter:


This comment just showed who you are in football and how limited your knowledge is

Best midfielder in a CL. Best midfielder in a world cup, A player Ferguson was begging with captain band is the same one you are talking about in the same sentence as those overrated English pieces of shitt

Won those awards in his 2 seasons of sunshine. Came to my club and did Jack shitt. There is nothing I don't know about ballack.

Kimbeast:


Won those awards in his 2 seasons of sunshine. Came to my club and did Jack shitt. There is nothing I don't know about ballack.

How many CL finals did your club get to before Ballack

popizaino:


No real Madrid?

Zidane currently looks like someone who does not know his left from his right