@stllwater

You were one of the people to go on about moderation. What do you understand by it?
Some things may not be sinful in of themselves but Christians may be expected to simply abstain from them.

tensor777:

@stllwater

You were one of the people to go on about moderation. What do you understand by it?
Some things may not be sinful in of themselves but Christians may be exected to simply abstain from them.

I think I made myself clear then.  Why is it expected of us to abstain from them if it's not sinful?

noetic15:

in your dreams.

P.S. I am the most handsome guy u would ever set your eyez on

  I demand pictoral evidence of this claim at once! or forever hold your peace  A man of God cannot make such claims and go scott free 

 

Image123:

JeSoul, why you put my name for the mix now? If so, kindly do your research on what plaiting and braiding was like in Bible days. Please get back on that. This is getting interesting.

My brother, I will answer your question as you as you answer the one I first asked you:

JeSoul:

1 Tim 2: I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes.

If you took this scripture at face value only that means women should not braid their hair or wear expensive clothes or gold or jewelry at all. Is that your position? Image, Tensor and Kwe? please clarify. Because I am about to demand you never buy anything of value for your wives, allow them to braid their hair and you must all shave your heads according to 1 Cor 11.

What was Paul's motivation for writing 1 Tim 2? was it to ban women from wearing make-up and braids and jewelry? or was it to curb the prevalent practice of corinthian women dressing seductively and putting heavy emphasis on their looks instead of their hearts and deeds? Scripture is more than just black and white people, and its not about twisting or modifying to fit the times, not at all.

Ditto to Tensor.

Is it that make-up puts you men to sin or what, that's why you're on and about this topic?

stillwater:

I think I made myself clear then. Why is it expected of us to abstain from them if it's not sinful?

Why? Because of the adversary the devil who moves about seeking whom to destroy, That is why Christians are called upon to abstain from certain things.
At the end of the day it is up to the person involved to be obedient to the promptings of the inner voice.

mavenbox:

@tensor777: What about clothes? Since she is wonderfully made, why not wrap herself in a single sheet or wear the animal fur God made for them in Genesis 3? On the other hand, i need you to tell me if Queen Esther used make-up?

 You beat me to it girl. I was just about to enter Queen Esther as Exhibit A.

-Queen Esther, a woman of incredible virtue, faith and grace, used mightily by God to save an entire nation.
-Queen Esther was also a seasoned, veteran beauty queen. Infact her beauty regime alone took years before she went before the king. Es 2:  Before a girl's turn came to go in to King Xerxes, she had to complete twelve months of beauty treatments prescribed for the women, six months with oil of myrrh and six with perfumes and cosmetics.

 My oh my! see the above. Esther consumed with such vanity, daring to participate in such when she's already fearfully and beautifully made, what a sinful woman she was.

tensor777:

Why? Because of the adversary the devil who moves about seeking whom to destroy, That is why Christians are called upon to abstain from certain things.
At the end of the day it is up to the person involved to be obedient to the promptings of the inner voice.

The devil can use anything to destroy any person. Why the fixation on make-up is beyond me? Wait first, are women with make-up so attractive?

Well they can exude an aura, which could make them enticing, intimidating, or even downright scary to a man. It all depends on the guy's perception and temperament.

tensor777:

Well they can exude an aura, which could make them enticing, intimidating, or even downright scary to a man. It all depends on the guy's perception and temperament.

Roflmao!!!! What's yours? Intimidation? Enticement? Or downright scary?

Way to go, JeSoul! Lol. Let Noetic provide proof or retract his statement! Hehehe

Tensor, answer me &Jesoul about Esther now, haba! You know, anything at all in the physical can be a tool to lead one into sin, even excess food or spending a lot of time online! Some things are not downright sins, its the motive and the extent that counts before God to whom nothing is hidden.

Ah JeSoul,
So it's first come first serve basis?ok. I'm not taking that scripture at face value. I am taking it at its value, without taking away from the Word or overspiritualising the text to favor anyone. It says and I agree 'women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with SHAMEFACEDNESS and Sobriety; NOT WITH broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array.
Now hope you do the assignment on what broided hair looked like in them days.

Image123:

Ah JeSoul,
So it's first come first serve basis?ok. I'm not taking that scripture at face value. I am taking it at its value, without taking away from the Word or overspiritualising the text to favor anyone. It says and I agree 'women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with SHAMEFACEDNESS and Sobriety; NOT WITH broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array.
Now hope you do the assignment on what broided hair looked like in them days.

You didn't answer my question but simply re-quoted 1 Tim. Don't worry I will answer your question in a minute.

Can women braid their hair, wear expensive clothes, gold and pearls or not? A yes or no will more than suffice. This is what 1 Tim says ain't it? Gracias  .


And btw feel free to comment on Beauty Gorgeous Queen Esther. Tensor what say ye as well?

mavenbox:

Way to go, JeSoul! Lol. Let Noetic provide proof or retract his statement! Hehehe

NOETIC WHERE ARE YOU?!!! Noetic put up or submit your apology asap.

Tensor, answer me &Jesoul about Esther now, haba! You know, anything at all in the physical can be a tool to lead one into sin, even excess food or spending a lot of time online! Some things are not downright sins, its the motive and the extent that counts before God to whom nothing is hidden.

Oh how simple our faith can be apart from being re-enslaved to rules and regulations that "have an appearance of spirituality but infact lack true value in restraining the sensual" (Col 2:21)

tensor777:

You don't need to get into strawman arguments which in itself is a sign of weakness. What does the beauty of a Christian woman have to do with make-up, when the bible says she is fearfully and wonderfully made??

True . . . but the same bible has lots of examples of women with make up. Did they forget that verse?

davidylan:

True . . . but the same bible has lots of examples of women with make up. Did they forget that verse?

That was Old Testament, what does it say in NT?

Ndipe:

That was Old Testament, what does it say in NT?

  I thought God was the same yesterday, today and tomorrow?

  If He was okay with it then, why would He change His mind now?

1 Tim 2: I also want women to dress modestly, with [b]decency [/b]and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes.

'Modesty', 'decency', etc are constructed, subjective and culture-specific terms.
We should think about that before attempting to legislate what women everywhere can or cannot wear.

Well that could just about mean anything. It is an instruction in the bible that women should appear modestly. I am sure in the Nigerian context there should be no confusion as to what modest dressing entails.

tensor777:

Well that could just about mean anything. It is an instruction in the bible that women should appear modestly. I am sure in the Nigerian context there should be no confusion as to what modest dressing entails.

What does this mean?

What of those who think wearing shoes is too extravagant?

@topic- as long as it is not distracting and not being used for the wrong reasons (making men lust)

Then its ok.

platinumnk:

@topic- as long as it is not distracting and not being used for the wrong reasons (making men lust)

Then its ok.

but isnt that the idea?

davidylan:

but isnt that the idea?

not really, theres a BIG difference between looking clean and pretty than a standout harlot.

Like I get nails done, clean and clear polish, i wear a cross as a necklace and modest sized earrings.
Sometimes when I wear color ( i usually wear black) I add a splash of color to my eye lids


It makes my happy and I know I did it for myself not to attract.

Some girls just like the differnt looks, I sometimes play with my makeup at night, and wash it off before going to bed. was that also to attact men?

You men give too much credit to yourselves

Adrenaline:

@ Topic

In moderation it's not so bad, I agree with you plat

thanks babe

platinumnk:

not really, theres a BIG difference between looking clean and pretty than a standout harlot.

Like I get nails done, clean and clear polish, i wear a cross as a necklace and modest sized earrings.
Sometimes when I wear color ( i usually wear black) I add a splash of color to my eye lids


It makes my happy and I know I did it for myself not to attract.

Some girls just like the differnt looks, I sometimes play with my makeup at night, and wash it off before going to bed. was that also to attact men?

You men give too much credit to yourselves

Like we dont deserve it?

davidylan:

Like we dont deserve it?

Some do, but the ratio to those who dont is awful!!

There are many reasons a Christian woman could have or give for wearing make-up. But it does have the effect of altering her appearance and hence of people's image of her.
Suppose in this instance it does cause others to sin. She can possibly claim ignorance of the effects. Is that an excuse, when the bible says
my people perish for lack of knowledge??

That is why some churches recommend abstinence.

^^ All Churches should encourage Absintence

Do some churches encourage pre-marital sex??

In all that you do, focus should be on the motive and effect of your actions, and less on the actions themselves. God is primarily concerned with your soul and not with your flesh (which cannot be saved). A christian should always strife for supremacy of the soul over the flesh.
Makeup and jewelery existed in most cultures, even if they were not  necessarily same as we know them today, thus to say people of old did not use makeup is misinformation. Your reasons for wearing makeup, and its effect on you (and others), will point out if the act was sinful or not. If you wear makeup to satisfy your vanity or to seduce another, then there is a problem with where your heart lies.
Do not get me wrong, as it is good to look presentable. Joseph cleaned up himself when appearing before Pharoah, likewise Esther did same before going to the King. Even the ark and temple of the lord were decorated and made beautiful.
Moderation is good as a cautionary flag, because rarely does good ever comes out of being excessive in any thing of the world. Yet I would advise to look beyond that and always ask the questions: why am I doing it, and what have I gained from it.

stillwater:

Oh yeah? Really? Is that so? Do you wear make-up?

lol I dont do make-ups. . . . . .just the natural one God gave me.

JeSoul:

  I demand pictoral evidence of this claim at once! or forever hold your peace  A man of God cannot make such claims and go scott free 

mavenbox:

Way to go, JeSoul! Lol. Let Noetic provide proof or retract his statement! Hehehe

JeSoul:

NOETIC WHERE ARE YOU?!!! Noetic put up or submit your apology asap.

pictures dont tell the true story. . .seeing is believing.

those making make-up a big deal, should watch it. . . . .it is mundane issues like this that makes people miss God.

What does it mean to be Born Again?

Wasn't Jezebel the only woman said to have used make-up n all. . .?

Well. . . as stated above, there's nothing alarming if it's worn in moderation. . . .not d'em 'ojuju' stlye