@ Logicmind, you are obviously not the one I asked the question and even with your overzealous intrusion, you still failed woefully to answer the question.

@LogicMind

Please I beg to disagree. I would rather bring down a inept and corrupt governmet unable to protect its citizens and hoping on God to come do that rather than advocate the killings of innocent Nigerians. Nigeria is a fail state to state the obvious. If the Commander in Chief is waiting on God to help resolve state matters, then the country is in deed trouble and that is what we have.

When the killings go out of hand, not all who see the beginning will know the end.

maclatunji: @ Logicmind, you are obviously not the one I asked the question and even with your overzealous intrusion, you still failed woefully to answer the question.

so you can see me?
i thought you were immune to my "intrusion".

the response is not meant for you neither but for those who want to know what islam is really about.

jbiko: @LogicMind

Please I beg to disagree. I would rather bring down a inept and corrupt governmet unable to protect its citizens and hoping on God to come do that rather than advocate the killings of innocent Nigerians. Nigeria is a fail state to state the obvious. If the Commander in Chief is waiting on God to help resolve state matters, then the country is in deed trouble and that is what we have.

When the killings go out of hand, not all who see the beginning will know the end.

tell that to boko haram muslims.

“O believers make war on the infidels (non-Muslims) who dwell around you, let them find harshness in you” - Quran 9:123
“When the sacred months are over, kill the unbelievers wherever you find them” – Quran 9:5
“Fight them until unbelief is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme” - Q 2:193
“Fight against those of the book (Christians and Jews) as believe neither in Allah nor in the last day…and do not embrace the true faith” - Q 9:29
“Fighting is obligatory for you (Muslims), even if you dislike it” - Q 2:216
“Do you think you would enter Paradise before Allah knows the men who fought hard and steadfast?” – Q 3:142
“Believers take neither Jews nor Christians for friends or helpers” - Q 5:51
“Let not the believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers.” - Q 3:28.
“Our Prophet (Mohammed), ordered us to fight you (non-Muslims) till you worship Allah alone or pay us Jizyah (extortion) in submission…Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise…and whoever survives shall become your master”– Sahih Bukhari 4:53:386
“Fight in the name of Allah and in the way ofAllah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war…” - Sahih Muslim 19:4294
These violent injunctions in Islamic scriptures (Quran and Hadith) clearly promote hostility and aggression towards non-Muslims, and largely explain Muslim proclivity to religious violence as evident from the incessant terrorist attacks – over 13,000 since 9/11 and counting.
The violent injunctions can be traced to Islam's violent origins. Unlike the founders of other major religions who mostly relied on non-violent persuasion to win converts, Islam's founder “prophet” Mohammed used violence to forcefully impose his intolerant creed in Arabia:
“I (Mohammed) have been commanded (by Allah) to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and believe that I am the Messenger and in all (Islam) that I have brought. Whoever says this will save his property and life from me.” – Sahih Bukhari 9:84:5, Sahih Muslim1:31
This Hadith in which Mohammed clearly admits his motivation for violence was to forcefully enthrone Islam, is contrary to the Taqiyya (deception) propaganda Muslims would have we infidels believe – that Mohammed and early Muslims only fought in self defense. Another Hadith drives home the same point of unprovoked Muslim aggression:
“Our Prophet (Mohammed), ordered us (Muslims) to fight you (non-Muslims) till you worship Allah alone or pay us Jizyah (extortion) in submission…Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise…and whoever survives shall become your master” – Bukhari 4:53:386
The Quran particularly Surah Tawba providesfurther evidence that Muslims were the clearaggressors:
“When the sacred months are over, kill the unbelievers wherever you find them” – Quran 9:5
“O believers make war on the infidels (non-Muslims) who dwell around you, let them find harshness in you” - Quran 9:123
“Fight against those of the book (Christians and Jews) that do not believe in Allah or in the last day…and do not embrace the true faith” - Quran 9:29
“Prophet (Mohammed), make war on unbelievers and hypocrites, and deal ruthlessly with them” - Quran 66:9
No amount of Taqiyyaspin can misconstrue as self defense the above Quranic verses which clearly enjoin unprovoked warfare against non-Muslims. The violent injunctionsin Surah Al-Tawba (Quran Chapter 9) are particularly important because this was the last portion of the Quran dictated by Mohammed.
Under the Islamic concept of abrogation (Nasikh), these violent “sword verses” (Ayat al-Sayf) in Surah 9 supersede any earlier seemingly peaceful verse. To facilitate unrestrained violence against non-Muslims, Mohammed begins the Surah by unilaterally annulling all treaties:
“Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward the infidels with whom you have made treaties”– Quran 9:1
Mo's violent doctrine was at variance with the prevailing culture of religious tolerance among pre-Islamic Arabs, hence early Muslims were initially reluctant to fight untilMo' coerced and threatened them:
“Believers, what is the matter with you, thatwhen you are asked to fight in Allah's cause you linger and cling to this life?...If you do not fight, Allah will punish you sternly...” - Quran 9:38
“Fighting is obligatory for you (Muslims), even if you dislike it” - Quran 2:216
Mo' further threatened that only Muslims who fought will make it to the Islamic heaven:
“Do you think you (Muslims) would enter Paradise before Allah knows the men who fought hard and steadfast?” – Quran 3:142
Allah's Apostle (Mohammed) said, "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords” – Sahih Bukhari 4:52:73
The initial reluctance of early Muslims to fight is further evidence they weren't under physical attack. If they were, Mo' wouldn't have needed to coerce and threaten them todefend themselves. Or entice them to violence with promises of heavenly rewards (Quran 4.99, 3:157, 9:111).
Prior to Mohammed's Islam; pagans, Christians, Jews, Magians, Sabeans and otherreligious groups lived harmoniously in Arabia, and there were no religious wars. The Sirat Rasul Allah (Islam's official biography of Mohammed) informs us there were even Christian images of Jesus and Mary in the pagan Kaaba, which Mo' later expropriated for his new religion.
The pre-Islamic Arabs offered Mohammed the same tolerant religious accommodation if he would reciprocate and respect their ancestral religious traditions. Initially Mo' agreed, culminating in the “revelation” of the infamous satanic verses in which the Quran endorsed pagan Arab deities – Al-Lat, Uzza, and Manat. He later reneged on the agreement as the megalomanic prophet wannabe could not share the religious limelight with over 300 Arab deities and other pre-existing religious groups.
Subsequently Mo' introduced religious violence to Arabia when in Medina he embarked on forced Islamization after 12 frustrating years of almost fruitless preaching in Mecca, during which he only gathered a handful of mostly disaffected lowlifes as followers.
In Mecca, Mo' constituted himself into a societal nuisance by repeatedly insulting and denigrating pre-Islamic Arab traditions. The Meccan Arabs tolerated these insults while Mo's rich influential sugar mummy wife and uncle were alive, but later responded with an economic boycott of Mo' and his cult members. This pauperized themcompelling Mo' and his followers to migrateto Medina.
Herein lies the so-called “expulsion” of early Muslims by supposedly intolerant pagan Arabs, which Muslim propagandists deliberately misrepresent as pagan Arabs forcibly evicting Muslims from Mecca.
There was no forced ejection; on the contrary some of the pagan Meccans opposed the migration of their relatives who were Muslims. In spite of the alleged “oppression”, many of Mo's converts were reluctant to leave Mecca, and the “prophet” had to threaten Muslims who didn't want tomigrate with hellfire:
“…Hell shall be their home, an evil fate; except the helpless men women and children who have no strength or means to migrate” – Quran 4:97-98
The cock & bull yarn about a spider spinningweb across the entrance of cave in which Mo' hid from pursuing Meccans, is obvious falsehood intended to glorify the “prophet” with an escape miracle, and demonize the Meccan pagans as violently intolerant thereby justifying Mohammed's subsequent violent aggression.
Even today Muslims deploy similar bogus propaganda when they falsely claim Jews drove out Palestinians to establish Israel. Palestinians left voluntarily at the instigation of neighbouring Arabs so that the invading Arab armies would have a clearkilling field for exterminating Jews without hurting their fellow Arabs in Palestine.
See: http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=1102
After leaving Mecca in frustration, Mo' and his followers relocated to Medina where he had no means of livelihood but attack and rob trade caravans. It was this banditry that provoked the first battle of Islam (Badr) when the pagan Meccans dispatched a military contingent to protect one of their trade caravans.
Islamic scriptures and historical traditions document over 70 battles during Mohammed prophetic career. Most of these were Ghazawa (raids) on non-Muslim communities. Only about 2 or 3 of these, notably the battles of Uhud and Khandaq could be described as defensive. Even these limited attacks by pagan Arabs were in response to incessant Muslim raids, just as the much vilified Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression in the Christian holy land.
Raids are of course offensive, not defensive military actions:
The Messenger of Allah (Mohammed) raided the Banu Mustaliq (pagan Arab tribe) while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others... - SahihMuslim 019:4292; Bukhari 3:46:717.
The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the raid of Hunain…They defeated them and took them captives - Sunan Abu Dawud 2:2150; Sahih Muslim 8:3432.
The Messenger of Allah besieged the people of Taif, but did not achieve victory – Sahih Muslim 19:4393
Allah's apostle (Mohammed) reached Khaibar at night. It was his habit, that whenever he reached an enemy at night, he would not attack them till it was morning. When morning came, the Jews came out with their spades and basket (farm implements). When they saw the prophet, they were surprised and said, “O God! It's Mohammed and his army”. The prophet shouted, “Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is destroyed…” – Sahih Bukhari 5:59:510
Note the expression - It was his habit - in the last quoted Hadith (Bukhari 5:59:510) describing Mo's sneak cowardly attack on defenceless Khaibar Jews who were proceeding to farm in the morning.
Mohammed and his murderous gang were in the habitof mounting surprise attacks on defenceless non-Muslims. The surprise attack on the Banu Mustaliq pagan Arabs was similarly unprovoked and cowardly (Sahih Muslim 19:4292; Bukhari 3:717).
During such raids the defeated non-Muslim men were killed, with the women and children taken captive:
“The people of Khaibar came out fleeing on the roads. The Prophet had their men killed, their children and woman taken as captives”- Sahih Bukhari 5:59:512 .
Captured women were then raped:
“Those (Muslims) who restrain their sexual desire except with their wives and female captives/ slaves are free from blame” – Quran 70:29-30
“Successful are believers…who restrain their sexual desire except with their wives and female captives / slaves, for these are lawful to them” – Quran 23:1-6.
“Forbidden, to you (Muslim men) are married women, except your female captives / slaves” Quran 4:24
Several of Mohammed's wives and concubines (notably Rayhanna, Safiya & Juwairiya) were captive women whose husbands / male relatives were killed by Mo' and his marauding gang. The Quran endorsed this rape of female captives and slaves by Islam's philandering “prophet”:
Prophet (Mohammed), we (Allah) have madelawful to you your wives, female captives / slaves, daughters of your paternal and maternal uncles, daughters of your paternal and maternal aunts, any believing woman who “offers” herself to you…Q 33:50
Other captives were sold into slavery:
"Allah's apostle (Mohammed) sent Sad Zayd Al-Ansari with some captive women to Najd.He sold them for horses and weapons" - Sahih Muslim 19:4345
The wealth of the defeated non-Muslims was looted:
“Enjoy the good and lawful booty you (Muslims) have taken in battle. Fear Allah, heis forgiving and merciful.” - Quran 8:69
If the loot was “lawful”, why do Muslims need forgiveness?“Allah made booty lawful for believers.” - Tabari VII:81
Like thieves elsewhere, the Muslim brigands sometimes quarreled over sharing of booty, prompting Mo's alter ego, Allah to proclaim:
“Say, the loot belongs to Allah and his apostle (Mohammed). Therefore fear of Allahand end your disputes” – Quran 8:1
If the Muslim wars in the early formative stages of Islam were in self defense, why did the aggression continue after defeating the pagan Meccans and Mo' passed on?
Under the leadership of the four “rightly guided Caliphs” who were Mo's close associates and clearly understood his hegemonic agenda, aggressive jihadist expansion continued. Muslim Arabs later invaded and occupied North Africa, SouthernEurope, Indian subcontinent and other partsof the Middle East including Palestine, thereby sowing the seed of the current intractable Arab-Israeli conflict which is their favorite excuse for terrorism.
Not surprisingly, most of what we now know as the Muslim world was Islamized by violence, including here in Northern Nigeria.
Today Islam is the only religion that enforces or attempts to enforce its laws by violence – public floggings, limb amputations, stoning to death etc. It prescribes death penalty for Muslims who leave Islam and for Muslims who don't join congregational prayer:
The Prophet (Mohammed) said, 'If a Muslim changes his religion, kill him'– Sahih Bukhari4:52:260
The Prophet (Mohammed) said, "burn all those who do not leave their houses for prayer, burn them alive inside their homes." – Sahih Bukhari 1:11:626
Islam's numerous violent injunctions brutalize Muslim mentality such that Muslims are quite comfortable with forms of violence that we infidels find revolting. Hence terrorism, honor killing, stoning to death, forced conversion, killing or threatening of ex-Muslims who leave Islam…all thrive in Dar ul Islam (Islamic world). Not to forget the incessant religious violence here in Nigeria's Islamic north.
From the foregoing historical and scriptural evaluation of Islamic violence, it is obvious that Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda and other Islamic terrorists are indeed true Muslims. The so-called moderate Muslims are those who are either not aware of the vicious dark side of their bloodthirsty hate cult; or whose innate good conscience and humanity has not been overwhelmed by the Islamic imperative to murderous violence.
Other “moderate” Muslims are silent Islamist sympathizers who lack the courage or means to indulge in jihadist terror. Many of our compatriots up here in Nigeria's Islamic North fall into this category as evident from the popularity of Bin Laden car stickers, posters and almanacs, as well as the recent Pew study revealing most Nigerian Muslims (54%) support Osama bin Laden.
The figure would be much higher among northern Muslims. It will be recalled that some northern Muslims even jubilated publicly after 9/11. So we can expect more Umar Farouk AbdulMuattallabs!!

maclatunji: @ Logicmind, you are obviously not the one I asked the question and even with your overzealous intrusion, you still failed woefully to answer the question.

Logic Mind answered the question, methinks. Same Quaranic verses I would have quoted. Incidentally, BH also quoted one of those verses as their basis for killing non-Muslims. I don't know which other answer you need.

Logic Mind:

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.” Translation from the Noble Quran

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad handed down - hence abrogating what came before, which includes the oft-quoted verse 2:256 -"Let there be no compulsion in religion...".

Qur'an (9:5) "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..." Prayer and charity are among the Five Pillars of Islam, as salat and zakat. See below.

Qur'an (9:11) - (Continued from above) "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion" This confirms that Muhammad is speaking of conversion to Islam.

Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers." The key phrase is to fight until "religion be only for Allah."

Rubbish!i'd rather worship a mango tree than dat allah u call God.u better Accept JESUS CHRIST as your Lord and Personal Saviour,the only way to eternal bliss hereafter or face Damnation.ur muhammed must hav been wishing dias a means he can cummunicate this truth to u,his dumb folowers nau dat he's full of regrets.its not late guy,REPENT!!!

Logic Mind:

so you can see me?
i thought you were immune to my "intrusion".

the response is not meant for you neither but for those who want to know what islam is really about.

Hahahaha! And then he ran away. It is obvious that you copied. Oya, give us the preceding and succeeding verse of each one of those verses you have quoted since you are such an expert on the Qur''an. LOL at such a spineless 'expert on Islam'.

Now I hope this clearly answers your question, you hypocritical MOFO!! The government of Jonathan is your problem abi? Wait until those nutjob kill a member of your family then all that hypocrisy will clear out. Na Logic mind response na im fit your likes, selfish brute that turns everything to a "we against them fight". What a fool. Islam is piss-FULL indeed, with indoctrinated eediots like you, little wonder you all think like frogs.

TroGunn:

Logic Mind answered the question, methinks. Same Quaranic verses I would have quoted. Incidentally, BH also quoted one of those verses as their basis for killing non-Muslims. I don't know which other answer you need.

Ehen! Better person. It is obvious that those verses were taking from different portions of the Qur'an and they all seem to be talking about the same thing. Now, obviously you and Logicmind did not do the research to compile them, Who did? And for what purpose?

Be honest and answer the questions. Thank you.

I think we all got to allow rational thought to prevail here. I hate it whenever anybody result to killing and maiming to settle any score be it political, religious, tribal, or ethnic sentiments. Given, our leaders have cause us grievous harm as a people with their daily looting and the pernicious way they go about it. But I mean it affects both Christians and Muslims alike. We as a nation are under servitude by the few privileged whom we innocently put in power, or who robbed us of power and exercise lordship and dominion over us like servants.someone once said, "until the day the color black of the eye becomes red, then there shall be war" Perhaps our eyes black color are turning to red, but not yet. The present government enmeshed in corruption scandal day in day out is incapable of controlling the menace of Boko Haram. What is the solution? We as a nation needs to come together to redefined our collective existence. Boko Haram though have shown one plausible cause for their operations- they want an islamised Northern Nigeria. Can they have it? Can they achieve it?. Yes, if that is what will end the endless bloodshed and bloodbath of innocent Christian and Muslims alike. But under one premise, if the north will allow them.And this premise is only practical if Nigeria practice true federalism, and we revert back to regionalism, I mean all non Northers to leave and relocate to South. But this also beg another question, Resourse control. If Nigeria practice true federalism, can the north survive, can Boko Harm survive, that is the Nigeria Challenge

I dont understand why they keep decieving themselves that,"islam is peace"when its obvious that its being THE threat to global peace.we are not ignorant here

United_abby: I dont understand why they keep decieving themselves that,"islam is peace"when its obvious that its being THE threat to global peace.we are not ignorant here

But your people could not answer my simple questions on the verses. They got their quotes from http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/013-forced-conversion.htm an antiIslamic website. Now any researcher who respects himself will not learn about a concept from biased sources. We agree that you all were not born with knowledge of these verses, the context in which they were revealed and what we Muslims know they mean. What the three guys and any other person that relies on their posts has effectively done is to post ignorance.

A good example is to take Fidel Castro's definition of Capitalism and say it is the proper and truthful definition of the concept. If you want to learn Islam, study it from Muslims not anti-Islamic sources. That is just not acceptable amongst enlightened people.

Did I hear you say Boko Haram quote those verses? That is why we say they don't represent Islam truly.

rhymz: allow Me to quote very shocking revealing excerpts from that article

“The people of Khaibar came out fleeing on the roads. The Prophet had their men killed, their children and woman taken as captives”- Sahih Bukhari 5:59:512 . Captured women were then Molested: “Those (Muslims) who restrain their intimate desire except with their wives and female captives/ slaves are free from blame” – Quran 70:29-30 “Successful are believers…who restrain their intimate desire except with their wives and female captives / slaves, for these are lawful to them” – Quran 23:1-6. “Forbidden, to you (Muslim men) are married women, except your female captives / slaves” Quran 4:24 Several of Mohammed's wives and concubines (notably Rayhanna, Safiya & Juwairiya) were captive women whose husbands / male relatives were killed by Mo' and his marauding gang. The Quran endorsed this Molestation of female captives and slaves by Islam's philandering “prophet”: Prophet (Mohammed), we (Allah) have madelawful to you your wives, female captives / slaves, daughters of your paternal and maternal uncles, daughters of your paternal and maternal aunts, any believing woman who “offers” herself to you…Q 33:50 Other captives were sold into slavery: "Allah's apostle (Mohammed) sent Sad Zayd Al-Ansari with some captive women to Najd.He sold them for horses and weapons" - Sahih Muslim 19:4345

maclatunji:

Ehen! Better person. It is obvious that those verses were taking from different portions of the Qur'an and they all seem to be talking about the same thing. Now, obviously you and Logicmind did not do the research to compile them, Who did? And for what purpose?

Be honest and answer the questions. Thank you.

It's a well known fallacy to attack the source of an argument instead of the argument itself. Who compiled the verses and for what purpose has no bearing to the issue - that there are Quaranic verses glorifying/advocating violence against non-muslims. I think you should focus on answering the more important question - are these real Quaranic verses? BH and Al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorists have based their actions on these verses and the ease with which they get followers ( who appear in all honesty to want to serve their allah) might be indicative of how Muslims understand these verses. Mutallab comes easily to mind - not poor, not hungry but driven enough to want to attack and kill a plane full of "unbelievers".

rhymz: Not surprisingly, most of what we now know as the Muslim world was Islamized by violence, including here in Northern Nigeria. Today Islam is the only religion that enforces or attempts to enforce its laws by violence – public floggings, limb amputations, stoning to death etc. It prescribes death penalty for Muslims who leave Islam and for Muslims who don't join congregational prayer: The Prophet (Mohammed) said, 'If a Muslim changes his religion, kill him'– Sahih Bukhari4:52:260 The Prophet (Mohammed) said, "burn all those who do not leave their houses for prayer, burn them alive inside their homes." – Sahih Bukhari 1:11:626 Islam's numerous violent injunctions brutalize Muslim mentality such that Muslims are quite comfortable with forms of violence that we infidels find revolting. Hence terrorism, honor killing, stoning to death, forced conversion, killing or threatening of ex-Muslims who leave Islam…all thrive in Dar ul Islam (Islamic world). Not to forget the incessant religious violence here in Nigeria's Islamic north. From the foregoing historical and scriptural evaluation of Islamic violence, it is obvious that Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda and other Islamic terrorists are indeed true Muslims. The so- called moderate Muslims are those who are either not aware of the vicious dark side of their bloodthirsty hate cult; or whose innate good conscience and humanity has not been overwhelmed by the Islamic imperative to murderous violence. Other “moderate” Muslims are silent Islamist sympathizers who lack the courage or means to indulge in jihadist terror. Many of our compatriots up here in Nigeria's Islamic North fall into this category as evident from the popularity of Bin Laden car stickers, posters and almanacs, as well as the recent Pew study revealing most Nigerian Muslims (54%) support Osama bin Laden. The figure would be much higher among northern Muslims. It will be recalled that some northern Muslims even jubilated publicly after 9/11. So we can expect more Umar Farouk AbdulMuattallabs!!

more demonic quotes from our peaceful koran

rhymz: Not surprisingly, most of what we now know as the Muslim world was Islamized by violence, including here in Northern Nigeria. Today Islam is the only religion that enforces or attempts to enforce its laws by violence – public floggings, limb amputations, stoning to death etc. It prescribes death penalty for Muslims who leave Islam and for Muslims who don't join congregational prayer: The Prophet (Mohammed) said, 'If a Muslim changes his religion, kill him'– Sahih Bukhari4:52:260 The Prophet (Mohammed) said, "burn all those who do not leave their houses for prayer, burn them alive inside their homes." – Sahih Bukhari 1:11:626 Islam's numerous violent injunctions brutalize Muslim mentality such that Muslims are quite comfortable with forms of violence that we infidels find revolting. Hence terrorism, honor killing, stoning to death, forced conversion, killing or threatening of ex-Muslims who leave Islam…all thrive in Dar ul Islam (Islamic world). Not to forget the incessant religious violence here in Nigeria's Islamic north. From the foregoing historical and scriptural evaluation of Islamic violence, it is obvious that Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda and other Islamic terrorists are indeed true Muslims. The so- called moderate Muslims are those who are either not aware of the vicious dark side of their bloodthirsty hate cult; or whose innate good conscience and humanity has not been overwhelmed by the Islamic imperative to murderous violence. Other “moderate” Muslims are silent Islamist sympathizers who lack the courage or means to indulge in jihadist terror. Many of our compatriots up here in Nigeria's Islamic North fall into this category as evident from the popularity of Bin Laden car stickers, posters and almanacs, as well as the recent Pew study revealing most Nigerian Muslims (54%) support Osama bin Laden. The figure would be much higher among northern Muslims. It will be recalled that some northern Muslims even jubilated publicly after 9/11. So we can expect more Umar Farouk AbdulMuattallabs!!

more demonic quotes from our peaceful koran

maclatunji:

But your people could not answer my simple questions on the verses. They got their quotes from http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/013-forced-conversion.htm an antiIslamic website. Now any researcher who respects himself will not learn about a concept from biased sources. We agree that you all were not born with knowledge of these verses, the context in which they were revealed and what we Muslims know they mean. What the three guys and any other person that relies on their posts has effectively done is to post ignorance.

A good example is to take Fidel Castro's definition of Capitalism and say it is the proper and truthful definition of the concept. If you want to learn Islam, study it from Muslims not anti-Islamic sources. That is just not acceptable amongst enlightened people.

Did I hear you say Boko Haram quote those verses? That is why we say they don't represent Islam truly.

Apparently many Muslim teachers are unable to explain these verses appropriately to many Muslims, which explains why killing non-Muslims is so enjoyable to them to the extent of suicide bombing. Mohammed's own violent acts means he also struggled to understand these verses revealed to him by his Allah.

TroGunn:

It's a well known fallacy to attack the source of an argument instead of the argument itself. Who compiled the verses and for what purpose has no bearing to the issue - that there are Quaranic verses glorifying/advocating violence against non-muslims. I think you should focus on answering the more important question - are these real Quaranic verses? BH and Al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorists have based their actions on these verses and the ease with which they get followers ( who appear in all honesty to want to serve their allah) might be indicative of how Muslims understand these verses. Mutallab comes easily to mind - not poor, not hungry but driven enough to want to attack and kill a plane full of "unbelievers".

On the contrary, you cannot rely on biased sources in research. Proper research, seeks to eliminate bias.

This link gives you a list of antiIslamic websites that were created to confuse Muslims and non-Muslims alike. If Islam was all about Violence, you wouldn't need to waste so much resources on propaganda.

http://islamgreatreligion./fake-anti-islamic-sites/

http://islamgreatreligion./fake-anti-islamic-sites/

As many writers here have noted, the entire agenda of Nigeria's Boko Haram group is a political one, which seeks to exploit the quiescent tension that exists even at the most peaceful of times between Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, by way of the current suicide bombing campaign which ironically has killed far more Moslems than Christians at its epicenter in northern Nigeria, where a full 90% of the population is Muslim of Hausa-speaking tribal stock.

The reprisal killings of Muslim motorists by aggrieved Christian youths in the central Nigerian city of Jos is a VERY ominous development, for it follows the script of cyclic vengeance written by Nigeria's Al Queda-funded terrorist gang leaders, the most vocal and belligerent of whom is of course former military tyrant and perpetual election loser Ayatollah Mohammutt Buhari Bin-Laden, whose frequent public baying for blood has resulted in scores of politically-motivated slayings during and in the wake of his most recent trouncing at the presidential polls.

Just as evil fraternities hijacked the Christian religion to commit horrific acts during the Crusades all those hundreds of years ago, equally sadistic groups of killers today hide behind the religion of Islam to perpetrate SENSELESS mass-murder in the name of a God worshipped by a far larger majority who absolutely abhor religious bigotry and violence.

In Nigeria right now, a well-funded political terror group seeks to undermine the legitimacy of a federal government that was voted in with overwhelming margins by the people of Nigeria. Tapping into the readily-available supply of young, under-fed Islamic extremist hoodlum foot-soldiers brought up to expect 72 heavenly virgins in reward for the un-provoked slaughter of moderate Muslims and Christians, that terror group has killed by the hundred in a southward-sweeping tidal wave of attacks.

As a matter of great urgency, the head of the serpent must be targeted with precision, and destroyed cleanly with the assistance of an aerial drone sent for the job by the Global Policeman.

maclatunji:

On the contrary, you cannot rely on biased sources in research. Proper research, seeks to eliminate bias.

This link gives you a list of antiIslamic websites that were created to confuse Muslims and non-Muslims alike. If Islam was all about Violence, you wouldn't need to waste so much resources on propaganda.

http://islamgreatreligion./fake-anti-islamic-sites/

http://islamgreatreligion./fake-anti-islamic-sites/

if islam was such a paragon of peace why is it synonymous with violence? Why do we muslim adherents not just in Nigeria but also in the middle east killing people and citing the Koran as their source of inspiration. Why is their mode of conversion by the argument of force rather than the force of argument?

maclatunji:

On the contrary, you cannot rely on biased sources in research. Proper research, seeks to eliminate bias.

This link gives you a list of antiIslamic websites that were created to confuse Muslims and non-Muslims alike. If Islam was all about Violence, you wouldn't need to waste so much resources on propaganda.

http://islamgreatreligion./fake-anti-islamic-sites/

http://islamgreatreligion./fake-anti-islamic-sites/

Well, you asked for Quaranic verses supporting violence and u were given a pageful. No u r complaining about the source, instead of explaining or refuting the verses and also explaining why Islamic terrorists ( with their Imams) love these verses. They are Quaranic, aren't they? Sorry gotta go, don't have all day to dwell on this with you. U should open ur eyes, though.

TroGunn:

Apparently many Muslim teachers are unable to explain these verses appropriately to many Muslims, which explains why killing non-Muslims is so enjoyable to them to the extent of suicide bombing. Mohammed's own violent acts means he also struggled to understand these verses revealed to him by his Allah.

Actually, there are over a billion Muslims on the planet. If majority of us are to believe what you want to teach us about our religion, the whole human population would be extinct by now. The Prophet (SAW) was a Head of State as well as religious leader, is there any country without an army or is there any that has not fought a battle? I thought the Americans fight wars to 'keep the peace'. If that is so, I rest my case because you lot see that country as your champion that can do no wrong.

Like I said to Rhmz, you lot will always accept and propagate things that will reinforce your belief that Islam is bad even to your own detriment as in the case of Boko Haram. Of course that does not change the fact that it isn't.

Let me know when you are ready to push the government to do its jobs of providing security for all of us instead of satisfying your petty desire of Up! Up! Jesus! By the way Jesus was a Muslim. Hahahahaha!

Peace! I am out of your here because erm I actually have a life to live in reality and not the internet.

Be Champions!

rhymz: if islam was such a paragon of peace why is it synonymous with violence? Why do we muslim adherents not just in Nigeria but also in the middle east killing people and citing the Koran as their source of inspiration. Why is their mode of conversion by the argument of force rather than the force of argument?

Good questions. The answers are all too glaring.

maclatunji:

Actually, there are over a billion Muslims on the planet. If majority of us are to believe what you want to teach us about our religion, the whole human population would be extinct by now. The Prophet (SAW) was a Head of State as well as religious leader, is there any country without an army or is there any that has not fought a battle? I thought the Americans fight wars to 'keep the peace'. If that is so, I rest my case because you lot see that country as your champion that can do no wrong.

Like I said to Rhmz, you lot will always accept and propagate things that will reinforce your belief that Islam is bad even to your own detriment as in the case of Boko Haram. Of course that does not change the fact that it isn't.

Let me know when you are ready to push the government to do its jobs of providing security for all of us instead of satisfying your petty desire of Up! Up! Jesus! By the way Jesus was a Muslim. Hahahahaha!

Peace! I am out of your here because erm I actually have a life to live in reality and not the internet.

Be Champions!

since when did Jesus becum a muslim 4 heavens sake! He died over a thousand years be4 Islam began! Nawa 4 una o.
Even people dat were clearly jewish becam moslims in ur confusionist holy of a book. Hw many first muslims does d quaran have? Nuhu(noah), ibrahim, musa, mohammed, yusuf? Wat a world of so few brains

the christians should not stop killing and burning.....let them continue with everyday that passes by till all the mosques in this country go into extinction. thats when this so called boko haram will flee.

ONE THING IS CLEAR- "...the christians on NL and (the) church bombers are birds of a feather: they both casually justify (even rejoice at) the massacre of innocent lives!"
https://www.nairaland.com/967277/aftermath-kaduna-bomblast-reprisals-how/1#11152309

SINCE THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT IS NOT CAPABLE OF DEFENDING THE CHRISTIAN CITIZENS, WE BETTER DO IT OURSELVES. AND ATTACK IS THE BEST FORM OF DEFENSE.
MUSLIMS ARE LUCKY THAT I DON'T LIVE IN THE NORTH...

rhymz: Thank you very much for your very honest and objective comments. Anybody that wants to condemn any reprisal in isolation of what has led up to it is a hypocrite. Maclatunji is the biggest hypocrite I ve seen here on NL since this thread opened up. You are so willing to condemn the christian youth for venting their anger on Muslims whom hitherto have been carrying on like they have no connections to the attacks.
Instead of them showing some sincerity and resolve in helping the government solve the problem, some elements amongst them are busy stoking the fire of chaos and religious war while the likes of MacLatunji sit from afar to pontificate about innocent muslims and holding the FG responsible as if the FG is made up of spirits and ghost with supernatural powers to wish the problems away.
Most of these muslim appologists are dishonest intellectual gangstars using the antics of violence to sabotage the government while they sit in their arm-chairs to criticize the government.
Enough of all the bullshit!!! It is folly to try to act like there is no religious war going on here, the fact that the violence is sectionally religious and regional points to the fact that this whole thing goes beyond shouting FG. One can not be shout "FG is incompetent while in the dark you sponsor these guys to make the FG look bad.
Northern Muslims and their politicians must show sincerity of purpose if this violence must stop or else more reprisals will be inspired if faceless goons from their folds keep killing people from the other religious divide, this is pure logic and common sense of fairness.

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