DeepSight: Although I am absolutely for freedom in terms of attire, I must say that there are considerable civil rights reasons in favor of banning veils, and one that must not be overlooked is the fact that a lot of women do not even voluntarily choose to wear it but do so under extreme social, cultural, religious and psychological pressure up to and including the threat of physical harm.
For such persons, the ban is liberation.
What about those women who CHOOSE to wear it? What will the ban represent for them??
And if the hijab constitutes physical harm, do you think Mary, the mother of Jesus will be presented wearing it?
tbaba1234: This piece was written by my very good friend and beloved brother as a note on facebook. He has a nairaland account so i'm sharing it using his nairaland username.
So much religion, little godliness! This was recently the personal message of one of my Blackberry contacts. Though I didn't ask what the situation was, I have had several experiences that I need not ask him before agreeing with him. A lady who once tried to introduce her religion to me and told me how “cool” I was and how I can’t be a true Muslim because I wasn't “violent” was the same person who when she needed money asked if I could help her by bending the rules of a Call for Tender process. Many of our Contractors usually register more than one Company or have influence in more than one Company so she would suggest to me the Companies to invite for the Tender together with her main Company. In the end, she will be the one submitting all the quotations under different names so whichever Company is awarded the Tender, it’s a win-win for her. In her mind, she was only helping herself and this has nothing to do with morality, ethics or godliness. I was also at the immigration service recently to renew my passport and despite the effort of some officers to ensure orderliness, there were some individuals of course with the collusion of some officers who try to bend the rules and jump the queue. Whichever religion we belong to, we seem to be more focused on an outward display of religion without internalizing the values of the religion. Our cars bear different stickers of praises, we place the holy books and rosaries or tesbihs on our dashboards and there are religious houses at every nook and corner of our streets. Yet there is so much immorality and corruption that pervade the land. We all want to have our way all cost, be rich through any means and we probably believe we can launder such filthy lucre by donating a part of it to “God”.
This is just a digression and not the main subject of my note. Today, a religious crisis is brewing in Lagos State. And this is not about the recent busting of a suspected book haram hide-out but the harassment of female Muslim students who have chosen freely to use the hijab. Two of these students were flogged recently by their Principals and this caused an outcry from the Muslim societies around the country but Lagos in particular. I hear that a petition has been written to the Lagos State House of Assembly by MURIC (Muslim Rights Concern) and an ad-hoc committee has been set-up by the House to consider passing a law banning or authorizing the use of hijab. Some argue that Nigeria is a secular State and the State should not be seen passing laws that seem to promote a particular religion but the protagonist of this line of argument fail to admit that most of the systems we practice today were from colonial masters who were Christians. The supposed “secularism” is in favour of one religion more than the other. I still say that the use of the Gregorian calendar (January-December) and observing weekends on Saturday and Sunday (which are Sabbath days depending on the church denomination) have their roots in Christianity. The fact that we have lived this way for long does not make them secular. What is this secularism “sef”? Really, it is a word that I am yet to fully grasp its meanings. Does it mean we should forget about all religions or we should accept all religions? If we were to forget about all religions, then in Nigeria we should not have holidays such as Easter, Christmas, Eid-el-Fitr, Eid-ul-Adha etc. We should only have Independence Day, Workers Day, and Democracy Day since these holidays seem not to be attached to any religion. If it means to allow all religions, then the worshippers of obatala, sango, oshun etc should also have their public holidays.
I think we only deceive ourselves if we say Nigeria is a secular nation whatever that means. Islam and Christianity are the main religions in Nigeria and I think we have accepted that in the way we are already set up as a Nation. We have public holidays for both religions; we try to make a balance with both religions when making political appointments and even at state functions we usually have a Pastor and Imam offer a prayer. It is high time we recognized that in order to stop the frequent friction between Islam and Christianity in Nigeria, we need to ensure that the members of each religion can practice their religion to the fullest without taking away the rights of the other to enjoy same.
Now back to showing so much religion without internalizing the values. While the efforts to ensure that the right to use hijab is guaranteed are being led mainly by MURIC, there seems to be some smaller groups not organized under MURIC calling out people for protests. This idea where every Muslim becomes his own government, every Masjid issues its own fatwa was not the way Islam was organized during the time of the Prophet (Peace be Upon Him). We had organization and course of actions and decisions were taken by the leadership. We have forgotten that we are supposed to organize ourselves under one banner as one Nation without tribe or ethnicity having one leader.
Before the fall of the Ottoman Caliphate in the 1920s, Islam was very powerful and there was order. All the Muslims across Middle East, Eastern Europe and North Africa were under one rule. Though not exactly, just as the 1.2billion Catholics all over the world consider the Pope as their leader, our goal is to strive to have back only one source of leadership but if we can’t be organized in small Lagos then we still have a long way to go. If we still had the Caliphate, we probably would not have Boko Haram, Ansaru, JAMBS etc in small Nigeria reigning terror on us all. Such elements would most likely have been taken care of. To my non-Muslim friends, the idea of an Islamic State is not to dominate the world or to force everyone to accept Islam. It is meant to provide order among Muslims and help Muslims to be better Muslims. In fact, in the Islamic States that have existed in the past the rights of Christians and Jews were guaranteed.
And going back again to the use of hijab, many Muslims seem to rush at anyone whom they feel has persecuted Islam or Muslims while they themselves are yet to internalize the religion. Though today at the mention of hijab, the Islamic head covering is what comes easily to mind but in the real sense it is the covering of one’s unclothedness. In Islam, all of a woman’s body is her unclothedness except her face and her palms. So when I see a Muslim woman that has covered her head but wears a short sleeve or a knee length skirt, I shrug. I also feel uncomfortable when I enter a bus with women that use hijab but when they get angered they curse the bus conductor or fellow commuters. What happened to the commandments of Allah and the Prophet (Peace be upon Him) that we should remain silent if we have nothing good to say, that we should not argue much because it breeds enmity, and if we have to argue a little it should be in a beautiful manner.
Why is it that we cry foul only when some rights seem to be taken from us and we do nothing over the ones that are in our full control? I believe when Muslims decide to be more Muslims and practice as much of our religion as we can control, Allah will help us with the other ones and even non-Muslims we get to understand Islam more and will appreciate that we are in no competition with them but only want to practice our religion the way it ought to. People we understand that Islam is more that a religion but a way of life. I will like to share some personal experiences but I need to warn that I am not trying to portray myself to be holy or cool. I am still striving to improve my relationship with Allah.
There was a lady who on several occasions at the canteen had commended the way I eat. She said, “my wife will love me because I finish everything in the plate.” To her, it was my habit but for me it was a religious exercise. In one of the sayings of the Prophet, he said the stomach is the worst vessel to fill. He says if we have to eat, we should eat a little, fill one-third of it with food, another third with water and leave the last third for air. It was also reported that the Prophet eats slowly, will never leave a grain in his plate, will never complain about a food but leave it if he didn't like it. In order to emulate this practice of the Prophet, I start from the point of ordering the food. I make sure I ask for what I can finish and I try to finish it except rarely when something is wrong with the food. This habit is one capable of strengthening the love between the rich and the poor because if the rich is not wasteful there will be more for the poor, capable of strengthening the love between mothers and their children, wives and their husbands.
I will tell you another story. When I was in the University, there was a girl I liked but I couldn’t ask her out because there was another brother who was already doing same. When I told one of my closest friends (a non-Muslim) who was also my room-mate, he didn't understand why I will place such a restriction on myself. I should “play my game” and allow the other guy to play his too and let the lady decide. Afterall, she is yet to say yes to the other guy. I tried to explain to my friend that it was a restriction placed by my religion and it is meant to avoid enmity among brothers. I told him if I had to make an approach, I will have to be sure that she had turned down my brother. And as if God was going to make an example of him, someone whom he had been telling about a girl he was trying to ask out was also trying to ask out the same lady behind his back. This particular guy will go back to the lady and tell her all my friend had told him about her, how she’s forming to be difficult and how he was going to leave her if she doesn't respond positively. When my friend got to know about this, he was so shocked and furious. I then reminded him about the restriction I placed on myself but rather than accept the beauty of Islam, he tried to make a distinction between my case and his. Luckily for him, today he is married to that lady.
There was also a day while at Unilag, the call for Asr prayer had been made at 4pm and a room-mate (a non-Muslim) was surprised that I had not risen up to go and pray and he asked why I wasn't going to pray. I told him that I had prayed Asr together with Zuhr at 1pm. I explained to him that Islam permits us to join Zuhr and Asr at the time of Zuhr if there was a change of weather for instance rain. This was to prevent a situation where people won’t be able to come to say their Asr in congregation if the rain didn’t stop on time. For him, he appreciated how practicable Islam is and for me I felt if I wasn't saying my prayers regularly he wouldn't have reminded me of it.
There are a lot of Islamic virtues which are totally in our control: modesty, truthfulness, trustworthiness, promptness etc. I hear that some years ago in Port-Harcourt, if you wanted to do business people will tell you to look for an Alhaji due to the virtues they had then. I do not think it is the same now. Today Alhajis now swindle Alhajis, Muslims (including me) get late to work, cheat their employers, are wasteful when they know it’s the company paying. Imagine how much good it will do to the religion if the Company finds out that the expense bill is always low when they send a Muslim on an assignment and they realize that it is not just his habit but the habit of all members of his religion, that he will eat moderately and he will not take alcohol which is usually expensive.
Do we still make our wives to change their father’s name to ours when in fact they should keep their fathers’? If you die and she has to remarry, she changes her name again. How often would she have to change her name?
The more Muslims become Muslim, the more non-Muslims will get to appreciate the beauty of Islam and the more Allah will make it easy for us to get what we ask. We need to go back to the golden era when we were role models. Muslims were known not to be idle; they invested their time in an activity that will earn them reward either in this world or the hereafter. We were pioneers in medicine, navigation, arithmetic, literature, archaeology. We bequeathed the world with Arabic numerals which today can easily handle large numbers and several decimal places which would have been very complex with Roman numerals. Even the Prophet (Peace be Upon Him) commanded us to seek knowledge as far as China, China being the farthest place known at that time so it is strange that some “Muslims” will say to seek education is forbidden.
While Muslims try to become better Muslims I definitely want a society that guarantees religious rights such as the use of hijab by Muslim women without fear of discrimination. On a final note, today I work with a Company that permits me to register only one wife. I will like to see a day when I can register up to four that my religion has permitted even if I decide to stick with one. This right just like many others does not take anything away from the man who has decided to stick with one. Does it?
Very articulate and educating. JazakAllah khairan!
Yea right Never controversial. Should I believe you or Sahih Bukhari. Narrated 'Aisha: The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes). Sahih Bukhari 1:4:148 Narrated 'Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet) 'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to say to Allah's Apostle "Let your wives be veiled" But he did not do so. The wives of the Prophet used to go out to answer the call of nature at night only at Al-Manasi.' Once Sauda, the daughter of Zam'a went out and she was a tall woman. 'Umar bin Al-Khattab saw her while he was in a gathering, and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda!" He ('Umar) said so as he was anxious for some Divine orders regarding the veil (the veiling of women.) So Allah revealed the Verse of veiling. (Al-Hijab; a complete body cover excluding the eyes). (See Hadith No. 148, Vol. 1) Sahih Bukhari 8:74:257 'A'isha reported that the wives of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) used to go out in the cover of night when they went to open fields (in the outskirts of Medina) for easing themselves. 'Umar b Khattab used to say: Allah's Messenger, ask your ladies to observe veil, but Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) did not do that. So there went out Sauda, daughter of Zarn'a, the wife of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), during one of the nights when it was dark. She was a tall statured lady. 'Umar called her saying: Sauda, we recognise you. (He did this with the hope that the verses pertaining to veil would be revealed.) 'A'isha said: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, then revealed the verses pertaining to veil.
If there's contradiction on any issue, and Allah reveals a verse or verses in the Quran concerning it, then it means that the case is clear. The Quran overrules any Hadith, and there's no confusion concerning the Quran
U are the one calling your prophet Mohammed mad. Apparent u aren't too familiar with the condition of people living with the bipolar disorder.
[size=3pt] I have never refered to Mohammed as mad. He was evil, a sexual deviant but he was also a brilliant manipulator. I consider he was most likely bipolar because one minute he is saying nice things the other minute he is saying blood thristy evil things. One minute he is saying u can eat things a hunting dogs saliva touches the next he is saying angels don't enter a house dogs are in and he is telling his companions to kill dogs. One minute he is saying no adultery the next he is raping war captives or his sex slaves even tho he had several wives and so on. [/size]
Your bipolar condition is apparent in the fact that you think I'd call the Prophet (PBUH) 'mad'. And thanks for noting that I'm not as familiar with people like you who are living with the condition, when I need to learn something about it, I'd consult you. It's very obvious that this disorder has been in your life since childhood, hence your strong familiarity with it
U were both wrong for throwing insults like untrained kids. Now behave
Of course you'd now see it as wrong because I addressed him in the manner that he deserved. Aren't you the one sided judge that parades herself as the righteous one? Yet you're dishonesty personified!
Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, I couldn't care less about your opinion, to me, you're just a cheap joke
[s] So if I discuss what ur prophet did then I am immature. . Oh really? Ur prophet was a pedophile He was a mass murderer He was always having sex, he even died on top of Aisha's bosoms with an erec.tion while mixing saliva with her He was barbaric He lied several times and encourage muslims to do so to hide there intentions from non believers He captured, traded, breed and had sex with slaves. .he adviced the beating of women. .. and many more vile deeds all contained in your hadiths and quran..What u seein me discuss is not anti islam. .. it is ISLAM...I detest Islam and i am not afraid to show it. .i submit to you that Islam is falsehood and will lead you and other millions to hell if you don't accept jesus...
■ Bible 19:71: “It is the inevitable decree of your Lord that every one of you(christians) will be taken to HEll” (Sarwar)
Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, see how you have carefully dodged the issue. Your crazy christian brother started with death curses, yet you think I should be held responsible for his actions. Suddenly you jump into your old national anthem of hate about the Prophet (PBUH). He has put you to shame already, your decision to waste your life and die on his matter will do nothing to harm his good name! I wonder how you'd feel at the end of your miserable life when you still hear of people converting to a Islam in multitude? Perhaps God would have made you denounce this nonsense called Christianity!
Here is the difference, I told u it was an autocorrect problem with my phone, then i corrected the error however the muslim fellows didn't say theirs was auto correct.. the other fellow clearly has a problem with verb usage. Empire ur friend also clearly has a problem with English despite his claim that he lives in the west.
I have pointed it out to him that it is making it difficult for me to read his replies but he rather chose to insult and said he isn't bothered about corrections.
Where is the hypocrisy??
Dude, the problem with the world is Islam not English. Stop throwing red herrings.
Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, you are a basic f*ool. You often make mistakes in your posts and you now give the s*tupid excuse that it's your Abakaliki phone that auto corrects your words, even when you made many mistakes in a short passage such as writing 12year instead of 12years; but you don't think others should be given a break for their own mistakes
My point is why didn't you see the many blunders of your own FIRST before correcting his own? Couldn't his own phone also be the cause? Oh! I forgot you're a Christian! Always seeing the fault of others but are blind to their own ridiculous, fault ridden lives. Hypocrites!!
tartar9: do you mean does killed by christains and Muslims then christains are the biggest killers and war-mongers ever in history.which nation haven't christains invaded and made war with? atheist come next even the wars currently going on in Muslim lands they still are the cause of them.or do you mean does killed purely on religious grounds.xtians are still the biggest murderers then.NO SINGLE SOUL has ever been murdered by any Islamic authority unlike the millions brutally slaughtered by christains taking orders from the so-called vicar of christ himself.
Leave that s*tupid hypocrite called Ifeann in her delusion! She can try to twist things but only bigots like her will believe in her shameles lies!!
Some corrections. hitler killed christains, Jews, disabled folks and Muslims. He promoted occultic Germanic paganism. A lot of evidence also points to atheism because of a lot of atheist views he had as seen in recorded statements from him as well as his approval of eugenics.
America is a secular country and has lost its Christian roots, its a government that promotes homosexuality, abortions etc these are against christain doctrine.
The crimes and figures u posted were committed by atheists in the last 2 centuries.
Muslims have killed hundred of millions from the 7th century till today. Muslims are apparently so stupid that they buy guns from kaffir sellers to kill themselves. Let them continue, its one less muslim to worry about.
Hindus have a great hatred for Muslims do u know why?? google and see how many millions Muslims have killed Do u know why amenians hate Muslims, google about the genocide of the people committed by Muslims. Do u know why the crusades happened, google and see the murder Muslims where committing against Jews and Christians
Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, NO, Muslims are NOT silly as you've said. It's you and your Christian folks that are totally brainwashed by the evil in your blood. You particularly are not only sick but you're merely an i*diot who still thinks that your f*oolish lies mean anything to me!
You refer to almost 2Billion people as 'so silly' and none of your hypocrite christian fellows will ever see this. If it was a Muslim that said so, you'd say that we insult. Next time you'll open your dirty mouth that you never insult Muslims. It's not surprising, you ARE a christian! Na your way of life!!
Now you claim America has lost its Christian roots But when you're singing praises of 'christian achievements' in modern civilization like automobiles, computers, etc, you accept them as christians, don't you?
Also when you boast about christian domination in the world, quoting the world christian population, you don't subtract America's population, do you? Another pointer to the fact that you and the christianity that you represent is one big joke!!
Evangelical liars may attempt to distort history by claiming that Hitler was an atheist, but that's just one of the very many lies of christianity! Hitler was a Christian, raised in a Christian home. The Holocaust was caused by Christian Fundamentalism.
a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria. b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church. d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.
HIS WORDS "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter....... For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
HE WAS NOT AN ATHEIST “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933
Bush is not an atheist, are you saying that all the lives lost in the wars he ordered do not count? He is a Christian and has declared that the christian god ordered him to fight the wars! Look for another lie abeg.
Even Joseph Stalin was raised very religious in the Greek Orthodox Church. He was named after Saint Joseph and was raised to be a priest. His father was a priest and young Joseph spent five years in a Greek Orthodox seminary. The killer of tens of millions had his beginning in strong christianity!
Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, though christian subscription to lies in the name evangelism is bad already, you have dragged it to a new low! Shame on to you and the whole of that farce called Christianity!
@9jaforlife: don't mind that dullard she wanted to defend herself and committing another stupid blunders did you also notice the bold in her statement: "a driod" she can not even spell android
Ifeann aka parisbookaddict is just an empty vessel. That's why she makes the loudest, silliest noise! Always looking for cheap popularity online, because everyone around her in real life regards her as persona non grata
Muslims are forbidden to commit suicide but are allowed to die while killing other people in the name of Allah...in fact martyrdom is the only sure way of entering "paradise" according to the quran..
Qur'an (4:74)-"Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso FIGHTETH IN THE WAY OF Allah, BE HE SLAIN or be he victorious, on him WE SHALL BESTOW A VAST REWARD"
Qur'an (9:111)-"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, AND SLAY AND ARE SLAIN: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."
Qur'an (2:207)-"And there is the type of man who GIVES HIS LIFE to earn the pleasure of Allah..." Qur'an (61:10-12)"O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement."
YOU JUST HAVE TO KILL TO PLEASE THE CHRISTIAN LORD Jeremiah 48:10 "Cursed are those who refuse to do the LORD's work, who hold back their swords from shedding blood!"
Exodus 32:26-29 26 "So he stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, “All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come here and join me.” And all the Levites gathered around him. 27Moses told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Each of you, take your swords and go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other. Kill everyone—even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.” 28The Levites obeyed Moses’ command, and about 3,000 people died that day. 29Then Moses told the Levites, “Today you have ordained yourselves for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Today you have earned a blessing.”
First of all, Yemen is the base of the Al Qaeda group in the Arabian Penisula. This plays a factor in the sad crime. It's detestable and no human life should waste this way or in any way for that matter.
Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, don't forget that these killings are the handwork of your Western christian family, America. We can't overlook their effort in this. They created, raised and funded Al Qaeda. This is the fruit of Christian labour. Read and watch here:
While you seize every single opportunity to entwine this dirt with Islam, don't forget that much more gruesome crime have been committed by non-Muslims, and no one laid the blame on the doorstep of christianity.
In the HISTORY of the world, who has KILLED maximum INNOCENT human beings❓
1) "Hitler" Do you know who he was❓
He was a Christian, but media will never call Christians terrorists.
2) "Joseph Stalin called as Uncle Joe".
He has killed 20 million human beings including 14.5 million were starved to death.
Was he a Muslim❓
3) "Mao Tse Tsung (China)"
He has killed 14 to 20 million human beings.
Was he a Muslim❓
4) "Benito Mussolini (Italy)"
He has killed 400 thousand human beings.
Was he a Muslim❓
5) "Ashoka" In Kalinga Battle
He has killed 100 thousand human beings.
Was he a Muslim❓
6) Embargo put by George Bush in Iraq,
1/2 million children has been killed in Iraq alone!!! Imagine these people are never called terrorists by the media.
Why❓
Today the majority of the non-muslims are afraid by hearing the words "JIHAD".
Jihad is an Arabic word which comes from root Arabic word "JAHADA" which means "TO STRIVE" or "TO STRUGGLE" against evil and for justice. It does not mean killing innocents.
The difference is we stand against evil, not with evil".
You still think that ISLAM is the problem❓
1. The First World War, 17 million dead (caused by non-Muslim).
2. The Second World War, 50-55 million dead (caused by non-Muslim).
3. Nagasaki atomic bombs 200000 dead (caused by non-Muslim).
4. The War in Vietnam, over 5 million dead (caused by non-Muslim).
5. The War in Bosnia/Kosovo, over 5,00,000 dead (caused by non-Muslim).
6. In Cambodia 1975-1979, almost 3 million deaths (caused by non-Muslim).
I typed that particular comment with my phone which at times changes what I typed...it's called auto correct ..very pesky. If u use an iPhone or a driod u will know sometimes it has a mind of its own. Were - where, marry- mary , year- years ..boohoo.. these are terrible blunders I must not know the English language..lol.
Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, shame unto you for defending this utter s*tupidity of yours!! You don't have any sense of decency whatsoever!
The person you quoted wrote 'safe' instead of 'save'. Is this different from the nonsense you listed above How are you sure it wasn't auto correct that caused his/her own mistake?
This is the perfect picture of christianity. You accuse others of things you do on daily basis in your good for nothing lives, when somebody points out your pure hypocrisy, you still go ahead defending it shamelessly!! Christians are worse than the devil himself!!! I spit on that cursed religion. Wetin?!!
Stop saying nonsense. Christ, the 12 apostles, Paul never spread the gospel with swords and that should be every christian standard because they founded christianity. However, islam was founded with murder, theft, deciet, promiscuity and all form of atrocities. I'll keep praying that what happened to the followers of Christ in his era happens to me and what befell the followers of Mohammed in his days befall all muslims. AMEN.
Your ignorance is through the roof! I'm laughing hard now. The only 'history' you know is the s*tupid lies they've fed you about Islam!
You're implying that d*umb national anthem of christians that says "violence belongs in the OT". Wasn't that how christianity came about Whether you want to hear it or not, Christianity was spread by Sword. I'm quoting this again.
“Some Christians pretend that Christianity was not established by the sword; but of what period of time do they speak? It was impossible that twelve men could begin with the sword: they had not the power; but no sooner were the professors of Christianity sufficiently powerful to employ the sword than they did so, and the stake and gay too; and Mahomet could not do it sooner. By the same spirit that Peter cut off the ear of the high priest's servant (if the story be true) he would cut off his head, and the head of his master, had he been able. Besides this, Christianity grounds itself originally upon the [Hebrew] Bible, and the Bible was established altogether by the sword, and that in the worst use of it — not to terrify, but to extirpate. The Jews made no converts: they butchered all. The Bible is the sire of the [New] Testament, and both are called the word of God. The Christians read both books; the ministers preach from both books; and this thing called Christianity is made up of both. It is then false to say that Christianity was not established by the sword.” ― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
I know that violence occurred in the early days of Islam. What befell the followers of Muhammed was a lot of oppression and injustice, hence they had to fight to defend themselves. I don't wish that any injustice be carried out against me, and I don't pray to have any oppression to fight. But since you're claiming that Christianity was all spread through peace, may God give you a taste of how Christianity was spread. Ameen.
You named me that because you couldn't accept the truth about your religion. The peace I have within is that I don't have to defend my belief because my Christ already paid all so that I won't have to. Hence, if telling you the truth makes me a bigot to you, I gladly accept.
My religion is perfect, if you guys were talking about my religion as it truly is, I wouldn't have the need for the "defense" as you call it. All you christians want is to throw piles of thrash on Islam and Muslims, and have us watch in silence, so that you can claim that our silence means agreement to your propagandas. It will NOT happen.
Stop that talk that you don't have to defend your religion. You find that easy to say because Muslims are not in the business of forming and spreading propagandas against your religion; a life career for sooo many christians against Islam. If we Muslims did the same as christians, I bet you'd be singing a different tune!
The word bigot means "A person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions". It could relate to ethnicity or religion. So, what you're telling is not the truth but wrong preconceived beliefs that you have about Islam, which is NOT the truth; THIS IS what makes you a bigot, not your so called "truth" about Islam.
You're the slowpoke. The only law God gave that was scribbled down by Him and recognized by Christ is the 10 commandments which Christ summarized into two- love God and love your neighbours as yourself. Apart from this, there's no other laws. Laws like divorcing your wives, no sewing of two different cloths e.t.c were the jewish laws given by Moses to the Israelites to differentiate God's chosen people from others. Deeperlife for instance, have the standard they follow in their church which differentiate them from other churches. However, the only true law is the 10 commandment. You should be made aware that Christ condemned Moses' laws like divorcing your wives, washing hands before eating, compulsory fasting and many others. Christ fulfilled the law by being the 10 commandments himself and dying for our sins. He showed that the 10 commandments can be fulfilled even as a human.
That means Jesus revealed these quotes in a beer parlour...
"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
Luke 16:17 "But that doesn't mean that the law has lost its force. It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the smallest point of God's law to be overturned."
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. Luke 12:51
Or, either you or Jesus is lying. It's very clear, you're the r*etard
Your My (kay1one2's) parents were born in strip clubs and took the pain to make sure you were I was born in one too. Your My poverty afterwards which still haunts you me despite the hard sex business makes you comment late on every post! What duty are you on tonight? Homosexuality or beastiality! Idol worshipper!
The fact that your parents grew up, had you and raised you in a sex business environment explains why you understand everything in terms of sex business. You are a total failure from every angle!
Yes ur quran allows dogs for hunting, if u read my OP u would have seen where it is stated. U will also see where it is said allah forgave a woman all her sins for giving a dog water to drink..
What u choose to do was to ignore all the other instances and verses I gave that ur quran and hadiths says dogs are evil and should not be allowed inside homes, angels don't enter a house with a dog in it, that dogs be killed etc.. Islamic countries have a tiny tiny population of dogs if any, but do some Muslims keep dogs?? Yes, they do, a significant minority of Muslims don't read the quran, some still don't take it too serious even if they read it... One command says dogs are unclean and the next says animals biten by dogs during a hunt can be eaten?
Mohammed kept contracting himself in various topics including this one. This is one reason I think he was bipolar.
Things you've said about Muslims in this comment is equally true about christians but you simply can't resist spewing nonsense! Some christians don't read that comic relief called byeboo as well, and soo many don't take it serious because they understand the cosmetic role of the book. You choose to follow it when you like. So, Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, what's your point
And once again, Muslims aren't forbiddent to have dogs, as long as they're properly trained. No need for you to say he was bipolar. Haven't you referred to him as 'mad'? I wonder why you think the opinion of a l*unatic like you makes any sense to me?
Islam for Muslims / Re: Face-Veil: Why The Ban? by 9jaforlife: 4:52am On Mar 27, 2015 
