iliyande:


Is it me that have access to the Bible and read it everyday or you that you is left in the hand of malams that whatever he teaches you is alhamdulila.?

shahydbinaliyu:



impose? you no see Prophet Muhammad inside original bible? .. you think islam is violence? definitely you know nothing about your fake Bible.. .. tell me where Jesus said he's not a prophet.... where in quran do you see violence preaching? you know absolutely nothing about Bible and quran...

shahydbinaliyu:


laughing.... these conspiracy theories again.. even though we have treated it so many times

shahydbinaliyu:




laughing... ain't you got brains?.....

Ifeann:


I have been as honest dubious as I can as well as Trying my best not to misrepresent Islam and stating what the quran and hadiths say about Mohammed .

[s] [size=4pt] Can u be honest and answer these yes or No questions.

Did Mohammed sleep with a child, 9 year old
Aisha?YES/NO
Did he kill people?YES/NO
Did Mohammed command his followers to fight people based on their beliefs?YES/NO
Did he sleep with slaves?YES/NO
Did he command his followers to sleep with captives their right hand possess?YES/NO
Did Mohammed marry more wives than Islamic Allah permits Muslims?YES/NO
Did he perform any miracles?YES/NO
Did he contradict himself?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he permit the murder of his critics?YES/NO
Did herapewomen during after war, which he
called war booty?{I.e Slave-girls as sexual property}YES/NO
Did he permit Muslims to beat their wives? {Even if but lightly}YES/NO
Did he ask people to drink camel piss for good health?YES, HEALTHY/NO, HE DIDN'T
Did Mohammed say apostates should be killed?YES & I CONCUR / YES, BUT I DON'T CONCUR / NO, HE COULDN'T HAVE!

Waiting for ur HONEST answers. [/size] [/s]

Ifeann:


[s] [size=4pt] shahydbinaliyu u sincerely think u are correct but u have believed a lie.

I rather be with Christ in heaven witnessing the Glory of God , than with Mohammed drinking wine, eating dates and having sex with virgin houris in his imaginary paradise with his Islamic al.lah.

Please can u repost ur attempted rebuttal to the apostasy law. I sincerely want ur view on it ,tho, its expected to be esoteric. I haven't seen it. I quoted ur authentic sahih hadith, I would like to see who u quote.


Again u said the aramaic bible is the original, but for weeks u said it was the Greek translation. I let u to continue in ur ignorance because I wasn't ready to argue on such an elementary issue. What u don't know or refuse to acknowledge is that the original manuscripts are all available and they number in the tens of thousands and they all say the same thing "Jesus is Lord, Son of God".

You said


I guess u mean my views on Mohammed. Well I don't hate Mohammed but I detest his deeds and lies.

I often say amongst other things that Mohammed was a pagan sex addicted slave trader mass murderer illiterate Arab paedophile.
Was he a pagan. Yes, most likely.
For example;
1. Mohammed's Pagan father was called Abdullah, which means slave of Allah long before Mohammed started Islam.
2. The crescent moon and star is seen high above almost every mosque not to mention the moon god was allegedly one of the 360 gods of the kabba.
3. The muslim obsession with black clothes.
4. The Islamic black flag.
5. The kissing of the black stone done by Muslims which was started by Mohammed for no apparent reason.
6. The circling of the kabba.
7. Compulsory pilgrimage for Muslims which was done by pagans in mecca before Islam.
8. Bowing down and facing mecca when praying. Etc
9. Cultural Superstitions and unfounded hate for wall geckos, dogs(mans best friend), cats etc
All these are some of the red flags that indicate that there maybe more to Islam than meets the eye. These pagan practises are not seen in Judaism and Christianity which Mohammed claims are people of the book and says he is one of their "prophets". Could Islam be the worlds largest monotheistic pagan religion. Let's look at more evidence.
2.sex addict, yes certainly.
The quran and hadiths are filled with his relationships with his 11 - 13 wives, including sex with his sex slaves. It is everywhere in ur quran and hadiths.
3. slave trader.
Do I need to remind u of all the hadiths of him trading slaves including his exchange of 2 black slaves for one Arab slave ..etc
Here are some reminders for you from ur sources;
Bukhari (34:432)- Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked also asked about Reproduction interruptus.
Bukhari (47.765)- A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave).
Bukhari (34:351)- Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader.
4. mass murderer:
ï won't go into details in this because u know the truth from ur hadiths.
Let me remind u of some quran verses.
Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do."
Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."
5. illiterate:
Muslims are the ones who tell me he was illiterate and he managed to recite the quran, this is in an effort to prove he was a prophet.
6. Arab:
Mohammed was an Arab or was he African.
7. Paedophile: yes he was, he married to Aisha and consummated the the marriage when she was nine years. Several Muslims say it was allowed in the Arab culture back then but I ask is it moral or right. ??
Look I don't even think Mohammed was an illiterate, I also think he was an intelligent man. I get offended when people call him names like silly or silly or any thing disparaging his intellect or not backed up by facts.
I also think Mohammed was brave and fearless. But these attributes do NOT make him a true prophet. Hilter, Stalin etc also had these attributes. [/size] [/s]

Ifeann:


Did I deny I didn't know about the verse. Nope. I didn't. So what's ur point.

Empiree:
You see, when it comes to that Bible verse, it wasnt mistake. She simply did not know about it. She later read her Bible and realized it was there. And yes, if she had quoted a verse of Quran like that and I denied, oh my God, hell of "attaqiyah" would loose on NL. She's a pain in the neck.

If it was E.mpiree who wrongly claimed that a word from the Quran wasn't there, you'd have made a storm in a teacup, you'd have said it was an intentional lie!

Ifeann:
[s]

Yes I used to point out grammatical errors, However, some people may not write correctly but they STILL DO make some sense, so I prefer to refrain.

However, I don't hesitate to point out the errors on those who don't construct their comments properly or use proper tenses as well as don't make sense. .
My very few spelling mistakes are very often because of the autocorrect errors from when I use my droid phone, I have pointed this out to u before.

You also said

This is very false. infact I have often told u Muslims to read your quran in 21th century English and not 7th century classical Arabic (which u recite). Many of u read the quran but don't know the verses in ur language. So I expect many Muslims not to know several verses I quote. Its not a big deal. [/s]

Dear sir,- or is it ma?

If you do really want to make headlines, try and be honest for once- just once!


Ifeann aka parisbookaddict aka male aka female, Minister for TWISTING AND LYING, how market?

Empiree:
You see, when it comes to that Bible verse, it wasnt mistake. She simply did not know about it. She later read her Bible and realized it was there. And yes, if she had quoted a verse of Quran like that and I denied, oh my God, hell of "attaqiyah" would loose on NL. She's a pain in the neck.

Empiree:
She's bogus but trying to be smart. Now she twisted that bible verse.

Ifeann:


Uda.tso accused me yesterday of what I didn't do, when he apologised I accepted, didnt make a fuss thereafter.

Empiree pointed out to me a verse I didn't know, I thanked him after checking and seeing the true message. Infact he is the first muslim to do this on nairaland.


here was my reply,

Again u posted this below after the psalms, which may lead people to think such is contained in the bible.



Please next time post the quran verse immediately after ur quran's/Mohammeds byeboo's foul words and don't associate it intentional or not with a bible verse.

EzioAuditore:


This "selective morality" charade of theirs is not fooling anyone. For instance, I was listening to this pastor ashimolowo bloke the other day, and he was telling his congregation that he went to an arab country where muslims where using something to block the return of Jesus, I was like WTF? Surely these people must know that we are even more anxious than them for the messiah to retur, but No! These guys were cheering for him, they ate every single piece of turd that came out of his mouth, I was dazed and baffled! Why can't they think for themselves? Why can't they really learn about other religions on their own? They rely on these so called men of god, and they in turn seize the opportunity to rape their brains with lies and madness. Its really sad.

udatso:
Jazakillahu khairan for sharing this with us. Actually on few occasions I have been guilty of this. May Allah make us firm in his worship and remembrance of his mercies and favours upon us.

Empiree 9jaforlife Abuamam albaqir lanrexlan Rilwayne001 tartar9 yourmain vedaxcool roypcain tola9ja

EzioAuditore:
GAME, SET, MATCH!!!



Hitler Was a Christian

The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:



History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms.

Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of producing an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I haven’t encountered any) ..... So, in presenting this information I must break it into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the Church. 2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism. 3) Facts concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into Germanic society. 4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain for atheism/occultism, upheld his Christian faith, and hated Jews due to his Christianity.



Hitler’s involvement with the Church:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jes
Hitler and the Popeg) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.

Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)




How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust:

Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.



Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

[size=14] "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. [/size]

"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)

OLAADEGBU:


You cannot use the same criteria for Muslims. To be a Muslim you are either born into it and or practise the Islamic tenets. What do the Islamic terrorists quote to back up their terrorism, the Bible? Hitler could not quote any biblical verse from Jesus or His disciples as an excuse for the holocaust.

Exactly my point.... Extreme Double Standards!!!

And YOUR OWN meaning of 'practicing Islamic tenets' is bombing innocent people

How do you live with this much bigotry and hatred?? This is a shameful shame, all thanks to this charade called Christianity

OLAADEGBU:


A true Christian will follow the footstep of the founder of Christianity (Jesus Christ). A true Muslim will follow in the footstep of the founder of Islam (Muhammad). One brings peace while the other brings death. A tree is known by the fruits it produces. An orange tree cannot produce raw cashew seeds and vice versa.

OLAADEGBU:


Saying that one is a Christian does not make one a Christian.

OLAADEGBU:


A true Christian will follow the footstep of the founder of Christianity (Jesus Christ). A true Muslim will follow in the footstep of the founder of Islam (Muhammad). One brings peace while the other brings death. A tree is known by the fruits it produces. An orange tree cannot produce raw cashew seeds and vice versa.

Ifeann:


Lol.. Do u think I plan on discussing Islam on nairaland indefinitely.? Of course not. Once I feel I have shared enough information with enough people I will turn to something else. Mind u, I have been on nairaland for several years with a different account. I have many other interests and one is distracting me at the moment.

udatso:

Well said

whyfy:
I thought this forum was created for learning but all I see is insult trading between my muslim brothers and the christian counterparts...
Christians here, Islam is all about believe and faith, if you feel you don't believe the message then ask questions or leave.
And for my muslim brothers, where did all the educational thread go? We need more knowledge and less in-fighting..

true2god:
It is an funny that anyone that speaks against some verses in the quran, which motivate muslims to murder and oppress non-muslims, is labelled a rascist (tho islam is not a race), islamophobe or anti-islam. Have you asked yourself why we dont have christophobia, hindophobia, bhudophobia, judeophobia etc, but only islamophobia. That shows that something is really wrong with Islam as a religion.

When some verses (quran 9:5, quran 5:51, quran 9:29-30) in the quran specifically called for hatred of Jews and christians, it is a call for concern. An incidentally pious muslims are religiously carrying out this instruction by allahh which had led to loss of lives.

Muslims should accept the fact that quran is essentially an anti-jewish and anti-christian book based on hatred, opprresion and prejudice. If muslims accuse christians of being Islamophobic, the quran itself is judeophobic and christianophobic.

Quran is a book of hate, instructions for violence, injustice and oppression.

Ifeann:


Lol and yet u keep responding to my comments.

Abuamam the difference between u and the likes of 9ja4life, empiree is that u know that the quran is vile but u keep trying to rationalize it. U and tartar9 know far more about the terror of Mohammed than these other nairaland muslim yet u embrace it only because the fraud says he met an entity in a dark cave with zero withnesses.

mmsen:


It's Sunday you clown.

Thank you for your mature, reasoned responses.

mmsen:


[s] The point of the thread to discuss a lack of equity and fairness, principles that matter to all human beings but seem to evade you. [/s]

mmsen:


Another christian who NEVER sees anything good in others.

That statement is prejudicial.

I am not a Christian.

mmsen:


I'm not a Christian. You would know that if you were not blinded by silly prejudice.

I usually leave the Muslims alone, I figure there are enough people attacking them but this issue does not reflect well on them at all.

mmsen:


You guys sound like the girl who walks around with a skirt that exposes her groin, buttocks and mammaries but wonders why people are looking at her.

Your inability to see reason is astounding - if you do not want the attention keep your topics away from the front page. Most people won't bother you if you do that - those that do should be banned, permanently.