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I just found out Professor Alagoa is still around. He was part of activities for the Unipoort 1981 set reunion with President Goodluck Jonathan a few weeks ago.

I hope someone shows him this so he can come and explain himself.

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Putindbutt:
I wonder where ibos put their thinking cap. Do we need oyinbo to come tell us the natural occupation of ibos?.


From the screenshot below, John Adams, referred to ibos as people from the interior (ibo interior) who came to settle in Bonny. In addition, he said, they were obliged by the force of circumstances to adapt to the water and trade instead of hunting and farming. Which means the only way ibos could have survived in Bonny was to force themselves to adapt to the water and trade instead of farming and hunting they were naturally inclined to from the interior they came from.

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Guys our dear friend Putindbutt here just scored an own goal confirming what we already know from John Adams. You guys should take a look at his screenshot. It is obvious some of these guys have comprehension problems.

John Adams here explicitly spelt out who the Ibanis were without mincing words.

Please @Putindbutt, kindly tell us the name of this book and when it was published.

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Igboid:
Both Crow and Baike agree that king Pepple was of Igbo origin.
They both agree that the NATIVE Bonny people are predominantly of Igbo origin.

Emphasis on NATIVE!

Bro, spare those people. I am sure most of them are in shock by now. Imagine, No one could provide one single counter evidence. I am interested in reading Alagoa's tales by moonlight because he seems to be the pioneer of all this.

In trying to grab other peoples territory, now the ideal definition of ijaw territory is being questioned. If this is not a classic definition of own goal,pray tell me what it is.

I have always had this notion that Bayelsa was a homogenous ijaw state until I came here..

Igboid:
Yes!
Ladies and gentlemen: Captain Crow record.

Thank you Sir. Please, if you have it you can also post his list of igbo names highlighting where he mentioned Opobo as an igbo name for males.

JANK23H:
They'd always discredit it so long as it isn't Crow's account.

I have some literature from the Dutch,French and Portuguese and would unleash at the appropriate time.

I've been trying to download "A Voyage to New Calabar River in the Year 1699" by James Barbot 1699.I only have access to snippets.That has some key information.

Can you volunteer for a live debate on this topic?

Igboid:
An Afonja doing what they are good at.

1. Earliest documents noted Bonny spoke Igbo

2. Baike noted that Bonny kings and people were of Igbo descent

3. Current realities is that Bonny speak Igbo language as Mother tongue

4. Historical data presented here clearly showed Bonny kings with Igbo names

5. We know that Slaves can't be King in Bonny


6. We also know that current Bonny Igbo is not an Isu dialect (this is the dialect of most Igbo slaves) but those of Ndoki, which proves that the Aboriginal Igbos of Bonny were of Ndoki stock, they were sufficient enough in the Island to make the Igbo slaves drop their Isu dialect for the Ndoki dialect of the Indigenes.

Please, be specific with this your earliest document for future reference purposes.

It was actually Captain Hugh Crow of Liverpool(1765-1829)

Putindbutt:
The screenshot was just a snippet but a more interesting focus on the phonology and orthography of the Ibani dialect.
Rodger Blench enriches his work with older documentations, citations and a more careful examination of ibani dialect. I posted the pdf to rationalize Baikie's counting system in ibani.

Having established that the ancient kingdom is founded by ibani-ijos, the palace language is ibani and the titles is Amanayabo. The local politics is also controlled by the end ibani-ijos.
O knew ibos would be quick to dismiss it but neglecting the import of it. That's why their energies is more focused on winning an academic argument and downplaying earlier records and current realities of Bonny.

The funniest part is ibos denying being "settled" slaves in Bonny. Who supplied the highest number of human slaves than the ibos?

What earlier record are you talking about other than the ones that have been posted on this thread?

Meanwhile, please do you know when the title Amanyanabo was first used and where? I want to find out something.

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Bkayy
Ekealterego
Igboid
Ofoigbo
Eastlink

Igboid:
Yes!
Those are the main four.

Ekpeye and Isoko/Urhobo are the Minorities there.

Then there is Abureni tribe too.

You seem to have so much information about them. Has anyone being able to confirm that that video we saw the last time was actually Nembe youths? The one were they destroyed Alabo's house.

Seems from the information we are gathering Nembe may actually be different from izon.

Igboid:
Well atleast JANK23H is an Ijaw man.
I checked his history already.


I guess we can now expect Alabo to rest that Moniker and log into another moniker to continue his mischief where he stopped.

The Afonja in him will never allow him leave this "Omo Ibo" thread.

At least, there is one honest person here. I am so happy for him.

Igboid:
Don't forget Ogbia, and Epie-Attisa too.

And the Urhobo/Isoko part too, Ofoni community comes to my mind.

I just updated it bro. Obviously, there is no homogeneous ijaw state in Nigeria.

The four main languagesite are Izon, Nembe, Ogbia and Epie-Atissa.

Igboid:
Don't forget Ogbia, and Epie-Attisa too.

And the Urhobo/Isoko part too, Ofoni community comes to my mind.

I just updated it bro. Obviously, there is no homogenous ijaw state in Nigeria.

The four main languages spoken are Izon, Nembe, Ogbia and Epie-Atissa.

RobbStark:
Bonny is motherland.
Opobo is a child of Bonny

Bayelsa is mother State, not my mum's state, get that.
Bayelsa is the only homogeneous Ijaw state.

Does that include Abua and Ekpeye part?

The four main languages spoken are Izon, Nembe, Ogbia and Epie-Atissa.

JANK23H:
Duarte Pacheco Pereira's Account of the Lower Guinea Coastlands in His "Esmeraldo de Situ Orbis,"

1508 actually

Can you post exactly what you want us to see here?
I do not rate wikipedia for obvious reasons, however I have gone to the page you posted and I don't know whatr you were trying to show us.

JANK23H:
You can keep it in your records if you so wish.

I'm from Sagbama LGA in Bayelsa.

Don't you think this makes you incompetent in this debate since you are neither from Rivers State nor have your posted relevant document to support your claims.

JANK23H:
No...1548

whose account.

Please post it here.
There is something I also want to say when you guys claim centuries before 1800, but I won't say it here. I want to say it in a live debate.

JANK23H:
No he is.

Nembe/Brass and some Kalabaris see themselves as superiors to other Ijaw clans,and to spite sometimes they identify themselves by their clans instead.

If you take that too seriously and you attack some other Ijaws,then they'll show you they are Ijaws.

Other clans regard them as arrogant and full of themselves.

okay. So you which of the ijaw are you so we can remind you when you forget?

Ekealterego:
Bruv, that's Roger Blench's book written from year 2010-2020.

Go and dig up history books, just like we did.

Our oldest snippet was 1906 and we even used it very sparringly to make another point.... Go deeper in 200 years like we have done.

Error!!! The oldest account here is 1800

JANK23H:
No he is.

Nembe/Brass and some Kalabaris see themselves as superiors to other Ijaw clans,and to spite sometimes they identify themselves by their clans instead.

If you take that too seriously and you attack some other Ijaws,then they'll show you they are Ijaws.

Other clans regard them as arrogant and full of themselves.

Maybe because they are not really ijaw according to this map. What do you think?

JANK23H:
He is and from Nembe.

I understand what he means when he says he isn't Ijaw.We understand what we mean.

Please, don't be unfortunate.

Putindbutt:
During the slave trade in the 19th century, there was a heavy presence of Igbo slaves from the Igbo hinterland.
Further injection of Igbo people, culture and language came after the slave trade was abolished and all the captured slaves brought recently from Igbo land to Opobo and Bonny to be sold couldn't be sold off again, then the Igbo slaves SETTLED then there AMONG the Ijaw natives. The proportion of the Igbo people to the Ijaw was highly significant in both areas that Igbo language became the common spoken language. In addition, the Igbo language was spoken as a second language by all the minorities living along the Niger Delta and was used as a common means of communication with the Igbo people from the hinterlands.
After the Igbo slaves settled there, it was noted that the natives refused to teach their language to the Igbo people and outsiders but rather they reserved it as a secret language instead. This factor led to the heavy decline in the usage of Ibani in Bonny, the total death of the Language in the Opobo area and the pervasive usage of Igbo language in both areas. When the christian missionaries landed in Bonny, note that the natives did not present Ibani to the missionaries but they presented Igbo as their language instead.
This history is clearly captured in the work of Roger Blench of which a snapshot image of his pdf book is shown below. The full PDF material can also be downloaded here: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEwQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rogerblench.info%2FLanguage%2FNiger-Congo%2FIjoid%2FIbani%2FIbani-English%2520dictionary.pdf&ei=9a12UZqsGISMO8SqgMAD&usg=AFQjCNFwak52P0FClDB2M4XeYRy4X0Vseg&sig2=xjJrI-zJS26YVTz8QNqe9Q



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Modified: Ibos on this thread are only fighting a lost battle. Give it up already.

Thank you for this attempt. But, like I have been saying since the beginning of this thread, post old accounts about Bonny and Opobo by non-Nigerians. In this instance, go and get that German doctors account where he said that thing you just posted.

The reason is simple, we do not want any igboman to come and tell us, "my papa talk say" neither do we want an ijaw man to come one tell us, "story story".

I hope you get the point now.

Thank you.

P.S: I just read through that thrash you posted and I am tasked to query your intelligence. Read that thing you typed there again and tell me you believed it. That ijaw was the first and only tribe in the world to outsell themself in slaves(because that is the only thing I understand your are trying to say). Sometimes i wonder what some of you take that affects your reasoning.

No more conjectures please.

Alabo7978:
funny enough you don't even know that the ijoh's see us as brothers.

But you have been posturing as ijaw here. Did you mistakenly forget your tribe? I can remind you, you know.

Ekealterego:
The small so called splinter groups there are more or less bounties... While some of them are putting up a fight, like the Abua/Odual people... The Ibibios that should be playing big brothers to reignite their common "Moko" (or as Igbos put it, "Mmogho" identity) are busy looking for any witch child to suffer.

JANK23H:
No it's not part of the Ijaw musical instruments.

There are Ijaw migrant camps in Gabon and Cameroon.They aren't Indegenes.In Gabon, government policies have forced them hinterland and been absorbed by indigenous tribes.

I remember my dad and grandad used to tell me stories of how they would go fishing from my village in Sagbama to Gabon.It's actually very close by sea,like their backyard.They'd paddle all the way and back.

The first migration to Gabon was in the early 20s forming Kala(small) fishing ports.

This was in response to my question if oja is part of ijaw musical instruments.

Igboid:
Yeah.
I watched the video too.
One of them I watched in U-tube, in the comment section, a frustrated Bayelsa man commented like this: "what sort of foreign culture and music is this".

Laugh no gree me.
If I find that video, I will post it here.

https://fb.watch/9HwjuzUTJB/

ijaw or igbo?

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igboid please look for the youtube link and post here. There are things i want the ijaws to interpret from the video, like the exclamation "iji ya" etc


So far one ijaw guy has confirmed to me here that oja is strange to ijaw culture.

Igboid:
If Yorubas were as senseless and non strategic like Igbo Leaders starting from Zik to modern day Governors, the Ijaws would have since claimed the entire ONDO sea coasts.

But Yorubas made sure to keep them in check.

They were also checkmated in Lagos seas coasts too.
It's sad to admit, but Yorubas always had more strategic and foresighted Politicians than we do in Igboland.
The average Igbo Politician doesn't think beyond stockpiling funds from his state or constituency to go live in USA, UK or Canada.
Important group survival issues is non of their business.

It's a pity, this is what we have to correct.

At least for the igbos there is awareness now. The people you should pity are the Akwa/Cross people...theirs is taking place as we speak.

I just watched an Opobo group dance on facebook now(Opobo connect) where they won an award in Abuja either yesterday or today.
You guys should watch it and come tell me if you understand what they were singing in your languages(ijaw or igbo)

The song goes like this:
kpakpa ngolo, kpa ngo(X2)
udu ya, ogele(X2)
etc

Alabo7978:
are you familiar with the map of Nigeria?
please to clear your eyes, check the map, the Igbo speaking tribes ended on the fringes of River state, and there is a large number of tribes between Igbo land and Bonny.
now young woman, do you now believe that igbos will be the first to cross those tribes to beat them to Bonny which is at their backyard?
please reason am.

it's just like me as a Nembe-ijoh person claiming I began trading operation in igala land which is at Igbo backyard, or let me use your own Ghana for instance.
Togo is between Ghana, now which of both country do you think will get to Ghana first?

reason am.

oil is not the problem,
Every ijo land has oil and gas, it technically leaks from the ground if you dig deep a little.
please, use your initiative, Bonny is enclaved by ijaw tribes and infact Bonny is the land before the sea, and you want to let clowns decive you to believe that Bonny which is in the heart of ijo tribes were reached by the igbos when crowther and pepple and Dr koeller clearly revealed igbos were slave there(no offense)
please reason it.
the language, culture is evident.
use your head.

I do not want to respond to the other things you talked about. But when you say Bonny is in the heart of ijaw land/territory, do you mean ijaw land extending from Ondo to Gabon?

JANK23H:
Can I shock you?

Hold your breath.....

There are Ijaws in Ondo.

That appellation "a dot in a circle" from Buhari wasn't a blurt. The Igbos know that too and are trying so hard to get access to the sea.If Biafra comes without direct sea access, Dem go see shege for Nigeria hand.

Why aren't Igbo as desperate for Ika and Ekwerre.Ask yourself.Unless you are naive,you should know the agenda.

There have been confirmed ijaw presence in Ondo state(consistent with their presence in most of the maps). However, there are more recent ijaw claims of owning the whole coast of rivers state, part of Akwa/Cross and now Gabon. They are now claiming Obolo kinship.

My friend said there are now parts of Akwa-ibom he cannot venture into as a native because of ijaws. That is why what we are doing here is important.

Meanwhile do not bring what Buhari said here, because both of us know he is ignorant. Someone talking about Western Germany in 2014/15 is not so bright. Besides, most northerners are not so informed about the south and the reverse is also the case. I had northern friends who would never agree that Jonathan was not igbo.
As per Ikwerre denials, for every Wike there are several Amaechi or Obi Wali. But asides this things if you are really well travelled and you understand Nigeria properly, you do not need to be told who is who.

Please, can you confirm if oja is part of ijaw musical instruments?

ThickSharon123:
I believe all those connectOpobo and all on Facebook are mostly Bayelsa platforms with few Opobo and Bonny that are lost and don't know what you guys are talking about.

Most of them are Ijaws who make a group to grab, that has been your way. If Igbos do their own you'll call them grabbers like you people.
You people should be authentic. And the funny part of it all, most of the videos on that group are Bonny and Opobo people speaking unadulterated Igbo. No Ijaw.

Then you'll see the Ijaws saying, 'I love my Opobo people"

You love your Opobo people!!! Can you understand the blatty on what they are talking there? No, but they love their Opobo language.

Isn't that the height of silliness

RobbStark:
The same thing I ask them to do.
Show me an Ibo man who is from bonny.
Up till now, none.
Is it that there are no indigenous ibos from bonny or what.
Or it proved one thing, bonny peeps just like myself from Opobo are Ijaws.
The ibos currently in bonny are either doing biz or working in companies in finima or bonny.

Why aren't ibos from bonny coming here or Facebook to counter any moves being made according to you miscreants by the Ijaws to ijawnize them.

Make una use una tongue dey count una teeth.

Obaama.
Ibaniapu, a wari mue

Unless you are being mischievous again, people have posted receipts of Bonny and Opobo people on this thread who assert their igboness.
You may want to take your time and go through the thread again.

ThickSharon123:
Seriously Counter record?? You have all the records, and you've justfied your point. What more counter record do I need?

I love history, but don't dig facts. I love to read more about Mind power and mental health, dear. I'm not really into history digging, but I do commend you people for what you did for the good people of Bonny and Opobo.

I called your name for something else, perhaps you got the idea wrong.

You misunderstood me.
The other half of that statement wasn't for you. It was for them.

JANK23H:
They said they'll be in Bonny this month for a supposed festival.Please welcome them well.

You and I know quite well that you cannot threaten anyone within the federal republic of Nigeria including Bonny and Opobo. This thread is not about igbos from other states coming to take over or becoming Bonny and Opobo people(except through marriage). It is about Bonny and Opobo igbos asserting themselves and stop believing the lies they have been sold for decades.

I hope you get the point now. They are already in Bonny and Opobo.