₦airaland Forum

raumdeuter:
In the same Asia Bangladesh Nepal India and most of South East Asia practice their own indigenous religion and are under developed
In the middle east most of the countries practice their own indigenous religion and are still under developed bar the select places where the rulers stay like their own Abuja(Dubai) and Lekki, Banana Island(AbuDhabi)

nihilistjnr:
Who is Ohio state University?

Sir I posted Lord Lugard, the guy who created Nigeria in his own words, telling you that he went as far as ensuring Non-Muslim teachers did not teach in Muslim schools, and how he believed his government should not intervene in local custom. He even refused to let teachers teach in English, creating a policy where teachers taught in their own language.

I have posted it again.

It is clearly illogical to say the British used Christianity to control Nigerians in a country where Islam was so entrenched, that Sharia was embedded in our constitution at Independence.

It is also clearly nonsensical to suggest that The Country that literally Invented the Anglican Church was using Catholic missionaries to control Nigerians.

Nigeria's problem was very simple. The British deliberately avoided creating a common culture for the 200+ tribes the bundled together as a country. For as long as the Colonial government was there, they were the glue that held us together. On their way out, they ensured that 52% of Nigerian parliament came from the north to ensure the supported Independence. Southerners had been fighting for Independence since the 50s. Ahmadu Bello the most important ruler in the land actively FOUGHT against Independence (that alone should give you pause for thought)

Nigeria formally removed the queen as HoS in 1963. Within 3 years there would be the first coup. Aguiyi Ironsi would abolish the existing regional governments. A year later both East and MidWest would be drawing up secession plans from Nigeria, in a few months, there would be civil war.

Nigeria would go on to endure 30+ years of military rule across 5 successful coups and 3 unsuccessful ones. At least 2 of the coupists would return to rule us democratically for another 16 years combined. One of them even tried to rule for 12 years. Another coupist who ruled with an iron hand tried to make himself president for life, until he was assassinated using an apple.

Somewhere along the line, the concept of Federal Character was born, and introduced to the Nigerian constitution in 96. The concept of meritorious appointment in government which was at least paid lip service to, was gone. Now it's simply to try an keep people from breaking away. The concept reflects in the zoning practices of our main political parties now and the general political discussion.

Nothing can move forward when a bunch of people who dont trust each other are focused on ensuring they get a piece of the national cake, rather than putting the right people in the right positions. That is the reason we are so backward in this country, and that my friend, is the Legacy of our Colonial Masters.

If the British had actively used religion to control us, then muslim-muslim or christian-christian ticket wouldn't even be a thing. It specifically because they actively AVOIDED creating any sort of national culture or religious framework that we are as backward as we are today.

The exact same thing happened in India by the way. India and Pakistan used to be one country. They both gained independence in 1947 . That same year, India and Pakistan went to war. They have since fought 4 wars against each other. Neither country is christian. Both are very backward.

Christianity has nothing to do with it.

I have nothing more to say at this point,

izzou:
[color=royalblue]If agreeing with you will make you feel fulfilled right now, I totally agree.[/color]

raumdeuter:
I am sure I posted that the purpose of colonialism is to get cheap resources for their homeland. Yes they took resources we should have used and plundered it for their home country. Now what has religion got to do with this

And how do you explain the never colonized Ethiopia

raumdeuter:
Your claim was that Christianity introduced by missionaries brought about docility which under developed Africa
I have given you several countries that are not Christian dominated in Africa and underdeveloped
I have given you a country like South Africa which is still colonized to some extent and one of the most developed in Africa
I have given you an example of Ethiopia that was never colonized and still undeveloped
I even gave you countries in Asia who did not adopt the religion of their colonizers and are still undeveloped

The purpose of colonization is to get cheap resources for their homeland and the govt culd care less if you are Islamic(As seen in Northern Nigeria and many African countries), or you are Hindu Buddhist or even worship stones. As long as there are resources to be sent to their homeland

One would expect Ethiopia to be the most developed nation given they were never colonized nor have a foreign religion foisted on them

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I didn't want to dabble with it because i don't agree with you. And since, i don't agree with you, I'd rather learn than argue

Firstly, no religion supports stealing, bribery, corruption, and every other factor you blame religion for. So if Christ or Muhammad doesnt want me to steal, Is Christ or Mohammed to be blamed if i do, or me?

Secondly, countries like USA, UK did have religious foundations, yet they are doing well. A country like Ethiopia wasn't even colonized, and they are behind in Africa. I expect you to see some sense with Nihilistjnr post, but you immediately discarded it and continued repeating the same thing you said

If you would take your time to read what others contributed, instead of just repeating the same religious lines, you'll see some sense in it[/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]This comment clearly contradicts your motion that religion is the root cause of our backwardness.

You are yet to show how religion played a part in the looting and making of greedy politicians

Hopefully, you can show it in the next comment[/color]

raumdeuter:
There are many backward African countries that do not practice Christianity. In Africa I am not even sure if Christianity is the dominant religion. There is no evidence that societies with Majority Islamic religion or Traditional African religion are better. Even within Nigeria you cannot say Islamic North is better than the South

Or let's go to Asia where there is even no Christianity

Countries like India Bangladesh Nepal middle east all colonized and do not have religion of the colonizers yet they are all still as backward as Africa

I think the religion excuse is just a easy cop out cos I've not seen evidence that places who do not practice these religion of Western European doing better

nihilistjnr:
Arguing with you sometimes is tedious because you're typically not willing to learn in exchanges
The British colonial government actively prevented christian missionaries from going North - this is a fact.

The British colonial government practiced Indirect rule in Nothern Nigeria - this is a fact

The British colonial government under Lugard established the warrant chief and native court system in Igboland to deliberately maintain indigneous judicial structure in Igboland - this is a fact

It was Catholic Missionaries who set up churches, hospitals and schools in most of Igboland - this is a fact.

Britain is a protestant nation, and their King is the official head of the Anglican Church - This is a fact.
So why would a protestant nation send catholic missionaries to do their work for them?

Of course Ajayi Crowther was funded by the CMS, but outside of Yoruba land, how extensive was their reach? In fact, outside of Lagos how extensive was their reach?

My point is simple, and backed by historical fact - The British had zero interest in trying to control Nigerians using religion. Everywhere they went outside Yoruba land, they took great pains to maintain the status quo using Indirect rule.

They could care less what religion we practiced as long as we paid tax.

These are screenshots from Lugard's book - The Dual Mandate in British Tropical Africa - where he discusses his policies, including teaching in local language or Arabic, avoiding interfering in local customs, and avoiding muslim teachers in non-muslim schools or vice versa.

Roland17:
@A001 is an outstanding and intelligent chap, I have known dis for a while. It is not necessarily about believing his position because I disagree on some but how he makes a great argument about his position.

nihilistjnr:
Well, Nigeria is proof that your theory is questionable.

The British didn't send missionaries to the North. In fact Lugard pledged to the Sultan of Sokoto the commitment of the British administrators to protect the Muslims of the north from Christian Evangelism. Invariably, Lugard and subsequent colonial administrators ensured the protection of this pledge, which by implication suggested that Christian mission and activities of missionaries were not required in northern Nigeria.

In Yoruba Land, Ajayi Crowther was the primary missionary in the area, and whilst he did establish an Anglican base, Traditional Yoruba Religion and Islam was still and remains very strong in our society.

In Igboland, the dominant religious sect is Catholicism. England is the birthplace of the Anglican church, and the king of England is the official head of the Church of England (Anglican Communion). So how did another religious dogma come to dominate Igboland - the answer is the Portuguese missionaries who landed in Benin in the 1600s. There's also the fact that Lugard's indirect rule policies were focused on NOT overruling African culture - what this meant was that as a matter of policy, the British Colonists did not teach the English language in Igbo land as a matter of policy.

The only people who were willing to educate the natives in English were the Catholic missionaries - They might have been British nationals(mostly Irish) but they were unconnected with the Colonial Administration,

Britain had no interest in ruling Nigeria. They only cared about taxation and resource extraction. Which is why Lugard's indirect rule was so critical to their ambitions - as long as they were able to get the tax from the rulers of each region, the country was left to it's own devices. And they were willing to make concessions to the greedy leaders to ensure that they continued to pay tax along with the threat of force, like the aforementioned promise to the Sultan of Sokoto

The only exception to this rule was Lagos which was the only colony the British conquered by force following the Lagos treaty of Cession of 1861, which essentially made Lagosians at the time British Citizens.

To put it simply, the British had zero interest in keeping us subservient - our leaders were the ones that had that requirement. The British colonialist were only interested in making sure they could tax those leaders and steal as much as possible.

CAPdan21:
Are you an alternate of OtemAtum??...

nihilistjnr:
I strongly disagree with this position.
Religion is still a significant part of people's lives in the developed world. Scientific method can, and continues to co-exist alongside Religious practice.

Africa's problem is not unique. The geographical constraints of the continent, particularly the thick rain-forest and disease vectors of sub-saharan africa made it difficult for it's inhabitants to develop at the same pace as Europe and Central Asia By the time those guys turned up on our shores, they had guns, cannons, and centuries or maritime and military pedigree.

The same issue we face in sub-saharan Africa is visible in continents with similary geography - South America is a mess, as is South East Asia.
The Middle East itself is also a mess save for the literal KINGDOMS of UAE, Saudi, Qatar, Oman, etc

The issue i'm talking about is colonialism, and more importantly the main consequences of colonialism - resource contention and Nation forming.

In Nigeria, we are where we are because Lugard arbitrarily joined a relatively educated southern Nigeria consisting of multiple tribes, to a largely uneducated North ruled by TWO empires - The Sokoto caliphate and the Borno Empire both ruled by the Fulani-Hausa tribes. Worse still, the British then allowed a dubious census to give the Nothern region is numerical superiority in parliament, and duly fcked off, setting the foundations of the country's utter dominance by the North ever since.

When you add automatic weapons to the existing volatility of resource contention, you have civil wars, you have seccesionist agitation, you have insecurity, weak administrative capacity, undermined rule of law, etc. Essentially you have us.

There's virtually no difference between Nigeria and Mali, or Nigeria and Bangladesh, or Nigeria and Mexico.

The European colonisers did more to set us back in their actions, than Religion ever did in my opinion sha.

raumdeuter:
Hazard is a local Chelsea star who has always failed in the CL and at the bigger stage like in Madrid

Iran coach 🇮🇷 Carlos Queiroz beating hypocrites at their own game 👏👏pic.twitter.com/7lMHrxh5Wq

— Total Football (@TotalFootball) November 16, 2022

adeotiabdulaziz:
Pele born by mistake

raumdeuter:
Hazard has finally admitted that he flopped at Madrid I wonder what his fans will say about an EPL star flopping against farmers

BlueRayDick:
Raumdeuter Hazrad has apologize for Flopping at Madrid. U no go come press Hensben and popiziano neck as usual?

adeotiabdulaziz:
Pele born by mistake

adeotiabdulaziz:
Pele mr intellectualist

Ebukacute:

FBS:
Slightly off topic or maybe not.
Does anyone remember that dude that used to post various maps of Nigeria(South/West/North/East) and Benin like it was the most important thing in the world? Can't remember his handle or find the posts. Anyone please?

Theflint1:
"God bless PDP"

https://twitter.com/FS_Yusuf_/status/1592528294251233280?t=QsOq7OSXUONvN-h8shzwFA&s=19[/quote]Na wetin igbo dey cause be that. BAT na dagbana master

REUBEN ABATI to DAVID HUNDEYIN: What are the facts of the (sic, Tinubu drug money forfeiture) matter and what is your interest in it?

Dr Abati really tried to keep his emotions in check during this interview. It felt like EVERYBODY RESPECT YOURSELF o🤣🤣

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🎥Credit: Arise TV pic.twitter.com/LCXCowGHK8

— Spotlight Abby (@Spotlight_Abby) November 15, 2022

SeniorMan715:
Chelsea need to stop this reckless behavior of firing and hiring coaches and fans need to have patients and trust the process,