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See argument wey so-called graduates dey make. German isn't the native language of Einstein, and some people dey support this. This forum has so many ignorant people sha

Another person called English the native language of Nigerians, . When did English become indigenous to Nigeria? Lols, these ones are graduates like this. Lols

Them dey counter a well-known fact in the science world about Einstein‘s history in my post. Lols.

nihilistjnr:
Why is English, the literal official language of Nigeria not a Native language to a Nigerian?

Lols, see question o. Is English indigenous to Nigeria or Africa? The native languages of Nigerians are the local languages, not English.

Na imported language from Europe you dey call a native language, lols. English is native to the people of England, not Nigeria.

Check the similarity in the spelling of both words.

The synonyms for a native language are indigenous language, mother tongue. So, what makes English the mother tongue or indigenous language of Nigerians?

Are Nigerians English people? All these funny arguments sef.

Saka was born and brought up in the UK by Yoruba parents. So, his native languages are English (being the language of his birthplace) and Yoruba.

However, I directed my initial post at Nigerians born in the country to imbibe the habit of doing science in the language of their birthplace, which is their mother tongue or native language or indigenous language, just like Einstein did science in his native language, German, the language of his birthplace in Ulm, Germany.

Simple issue.

Simple ability to make logical points, some people no get for head.

Einstein was born in Ulm, Germany. German is one of the native languages spoken in that area. And naturally, he did science in his native language.

In the same area, Yiddish is also spoken but he wasn't fluent in it.

Then, applying the same analogy to Nigerians. The best thing is to do science in the language of your birthplace, your native language.

That's what I said in my post. Some people don't have a simple understanding of issues.

All over the world, millions of scientists do science in their mother tongue. But no, everyone must do science in English, which isn't even the language of their birthplace.

What's your proof? A Wikipedia excerpt. Common Wikipedia.

The best language anyone can understand science in is their mother tongue. That's a fact.

nihilistjnr:
You're actually arguing against yourself.

You've been writing paragraphs about Nigerians being stupid because they study in English, their native tongue by your own definition, instead of in their parent's original language.

And you're using Einstein as an example of that.



But Einstein wasn't ethnically German just as nigerians are not ethnically English. We learnt to speak, read and write English in the same way the Non-German Einstein learnt to speak the Germsn language.

Einstein himself with his own mouth admitted his shame that he couldn't speak his father's language.

So if Einstein did not bother translating science into the language of his forefathers, what exactly is your point again?

Where was Einstein born? See mumu argument. Are the Nigerians I'm talking about not in their birthplace?

Some people mumu sha. Einstein‘s birthplace was Ulm, Germany, and his native language was German, so he did his scientific works in the language of his birthplace, German.

A Yoruba scientist, who was born in Yorubaland, should be doing science in Yoruba, the language of his birthplace, Yorubaland, like Einstein did.

Simple.

DeadPresidents:
Then by this logical postulation, Saka’s native language is English.

Na you dey call Saka all about. Saka's native languages are Yoruba and English. I already told you from the start that some people have more than one native language.

While Einstein‘s native language was German, another native language of his was Yiddish as you said, but he wasn't fluent in it.

So, that leaves us with German as his native language. And you'll find the same fact on all credible sources on his biography.

nihilistjnr:
Albert Einstein was an ethnic Jew. He was Jewish by blood.

Both his parents were Jewish. He is of Middle Eastern origin. He just happened to be born in Germany.

His Jewish ethnicity is what led him to literally be offered the Presidency of Israel - the literal country of the Jews.

You and your companion are funny. You're both grasping at straws. Na common Wikipedia excerpt I go take from you as a proof for a claim. Lols, you must be a joker.

Check the meaning of the word, "native", in a standard dictionary and read my post again.

I said German is the native language of Einstein, i.e. that's the language of his birthplace. That's the fact you'll see in all books and articles on Einstein's biography.

And you also stated it in your own post. End of discussion.

DeadPresidents:
Einstein‘s native language was Yiddish. Whether he could speak it or not is immaterial just as Gbadebo‘s native language is Yoruba even if he doesn’t speak it.

It’s simple mathematics

Lols, but you can't cite any source that says so. You dey argue with someone that majors in Physics, but you've no sources to back your claim. I should just take your word for it for a course I studied in school for years, lols

Do a simple search on Einstein's native language on Google and check all the reputable sites, you'll see German written clearly there as his native language.

That's the fact. It's not something you debate. But you can't find it in any credible source where Yiddish is stated as his native language.

You can emigrate from a country and renounce the citizenship because of a hostile regime and still be speaking your native language abroad.

Einstein did so, and it's widely known in the science world. This is not debatable.

It's like someone saying the native language of Wole Soyinka was no longer Yoruba because he escaped from Nigeria during the Abacha regime. How does that make sense?

If you say his native language isn't Yoruba because he emigrated from the country during the military government under Abacha, that's false history.

So, if an unfriendly regime assumes power in Nigeria and starts treating atheists and agnostics with hostility, for instance, and someone like me emigrates to the US and renounces my Nigerian citizenship, does that mean Yoruba is no longer my native language?

Even while in the US, I'd still be speaking my native language which is Yoruba. And that's exactly what the case was with Einstein; only that he was a Jew, at least nominally.

All these funny posts. Person write him native language German clearly for him memoirs while alive. All books on his history also contain the same fact.

Go to any reputable site on Einstein's history, you'll find the same fact there.

But you want to write your own history of Einstein here on Nairaland.

Some people go write a new history for Einstein on Nairaland this night. Lols. This forum sha,

DeadPresidents:
So assuming I as an Igala man was born and raised in Japan and only spoke Japanese, which language would be considered my native language?

Just hypothetically speaking.

No need for long talk. In any biography on Einstein, his native language, German, is stated clearly there. That's what you'll find on all reportable websites, books, including memoirs written by Einstein himself while alive.

That's the fact and common knowledge.

Quote a credible source or sources that say German isn't his native language, but Yiddish is.

DeadPresidents:
I’m stressing the difference between ethnicity and nationality.

Einstein is German by nationality and Ashkenazi by ethnicity.

Saka is English by nationality and Yoruba by ethnicity.

If for say Einstein na German, why him japa when other German scientists like Werner von Braun been stay behind? Hitler for roast am like nama

Lols, you've to write your own biography of Einstein then. Maybe you're talking about another Einstein.

Albert Einstein, the father of Relativity in Physics, spoke German as his first and native language. That's a fact.

Any other language was secondary, which he didn't use frequently while alive. If you argue about this with other physicists, dem go use you laugh tire.

The native language of Einstein is common knowledge among physicists. How many studies have you done on his works?

Many physicists actually research the history of Einstein. Personally, I've the original papers he wrote on Special Relativity and General Relativity among my book collections, and other books authored by him translated to English.

Unless you major in Physics, you wouldn't have come across those papers. Then, your posts show you've not.

DeadPresidents:
German is not Einstein‘s native language. Yiddish is.

I met a Yiddish speaking Mother and Son on a train in Brandenburg. It’s just like saying English is Saka‘s native language because he was born in the UK

German is one of the native languages spoken by the German people, including Einstein. In some places, more than one native language is spoken.

Both Yiddish and German are languages indigenous to the Germanic region. I don't know how Saka is related to this case.

Is English indigenous to Yorubaland like Yoruba?

Nudity used to be practiced in various parts of Africa in olden days where women wore half-clad clothes in public, though it wasn't limited to just Africa.

In modern times, only select cultures such as the Okrika culture, other cultures of Africa, Australia, and the likes engage in the practice occasionally during festivals.

This is an interesting aspect of the culture of the Okrika people. All these practices can be traced to their ancestors, especially Fenibeso, who had existed in the past in that area and deified by his people as the chief god, just like Olorun is the chief god of the Yoruba people and Chukwu is the chief god of the Igbos.

All these are past humans or what some people call aliens in modern times. Once a person dies, they become an alien to this realm of planet Earth.

Sadly, many people in the Okrika area have forgotten Fenibeso due to the toxic influence of Christianity. However, a wise person doesn't place Yahweh, a deity and ancestor of the Israelites over his own ancestor.

It reeks of stupidity.

L'Hopital's rule to the rescue, lols

The data sef no dey harmonize. Data harmonization wey dem don shout since Buhari's first term at least. Lols

See the genius that did trado-physics in his native language, German. Mentally strong people are proud of their mother tongue and always promote it in their works.

This is one of the traits of highly intelligent people.

Over the weekend, I was studying some works of Isaac Newton for my research project. Specifically, I focused on his masterpiece, "Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica", originally published by Newton himself in 1687 in Latin and translated to English much later.

Link to the Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica in Latin: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/28233/28233-pdf.pdf
Link to the Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica in English: https://ia801604.us.archive.org/1/items/newtonspmathema00newtrich/newtonspmathema00newtrich.pdf

1687 was in the late 17th century. How did the English language become one of the major languages in the science world in modern times, after Latin and Greek, even though some centuries ago, the English people scarcely had any scientists of note?

It was through the critical use of the brain: Many thinkers among the British people saw the need to develop science in their native language of English. Early British scientists such as Newton had mostly written their works in Latin, which had held the position occupied globally today by the English language in the past.

However, some highly intelligent British people translated those works and other works by some other early British scientists into their mother tongue, English, and this was how they laid the foundation for the development of science in the English language adopted by billions of people worldwide in modern times.

Obviously, colonization and slavery played a key role in aiding the British people to achieve this feat. However, it also boils down to the use of the brain, and it's just so unfortunate that many times on this planet, the more intelligent people tend to oppress, colonize, and enslave the less intelligent ones.

This is why many people in a region should pay keen attention to the deep use of the brain, which brings about high intelligence, and engage in philosophy and science, which sharpen the brain, and not religion, which makes the brain dull.

If many don't, such a people are prone to being colonized and enslaved by smarter peoples from foreign countries who don't joke with activities that help develop the brain faster.

This is the current status of Africa today as the region is still under Europe and Arabia as slaves.

While the English language has been adopted by billions of people worldwide today in the science world, science itself originated from ancient Egypt, ancient Greece, and Old Rome. These are some of the earliest peoples who evolved mentally at a much faster rate than many other peoples around the world.

That's why they serve as the birthplaces of what we call science in modern times. Yet, many Africans erroneously consider science as something that originated from the English culture.

Just like the English people developed science in their mother tongue some centuries ago, and this body of knowledge has matured in that culture in modern times, Africans should also emulate this and develop science in the native languages of Africa.

Africa is even the origin of civilization and what's called science and technology today, but the problem is most Africans don't know or care about their history.

Science is indigenous to all native cultures of Africa.

We're in the era of science and technology now. If any culture fails to develop this important body of knowledge in their mother tongue, they won't be able to move forward and meet up with other relatively advanced cultures of the world.

It's important for people to grow with the times and engage in something (science) that other peoples around the world are doing to innovate and solve myriad problems they face, allowing them to develop faster.

A culture that doesn't grow with the times will die sooner or later.

Psychology ni Ede Yoruba (Psychology in Yoruba language)|Scientific Method in Yoruba:
https://fb.watch/niJH_fwN06/?mibextid=Nif5oz

This man is doing a wonderful job trying to develop the scientific method in Yoruba language. Regardless of your culture or tribe, every human uses the scientific method, which consists of three basic activities — observation, reasoning, and experimentation — in varying degrees.

Everyone engages in these activities in their mother tongue in varying degrees.

However, those of us that do science for a living or as a hobby just happen to use the scientific method more often.

Projects like this FB program, which teaches Psychology and scientific method in Yoruba and Isese, need to be supported by Yoruba people.

More of such projects need to be developed in other native cultures of Africa as well.

But religion no go allow people to do what will make the society grow and develop.

If you've great people in your culture, such as Ifa, Ogun, Otem, and the likes, but all you can think of is God, religion, and the likes, instead of exposing the works of these great thinkers to scientific scrutiny and studying them to impact your culture, immediate environment positively, then outsiders that are wiser than you will study those works and develop them and sell them back to you.

A German would study the works of great thinkers like Einstein, Minkowski, and the likes using the scientific method and see how they can apply those works in building technologies to impact the lives of his people positively.

The same thing applies to the Chinese, the English, the Americans.

But come to Africa. What you'll be hearing is, "Otem is God"; "Ifa is a deity", and many other balderdash without any key impact. Yet, Otem himself never made such a statement.

They'll be focusing on trivial things and leaving important issues in need of keen attention.

When people should be discussing how to inculcate a culture of critical thinking, philosophy, and science into the native cultures of Africa so Africans can meet up with other advanced cultures of the world, it's silly things like "this one is God"; "that one is God" most are concerned about.

I just read all these childish posts and laugh at this sort of shallow reasoning displayed by many.

The idiots wey dey use Isese, Yoruba culture and traditions, shame me go cry tire on this thread. When dem dey call Yoruba people, these ones wey "dense" like this go dey answer yet dem dey use their culture abuse a Yoruba person.

The two native festivals slated for this month are Odun Olojo and Odun Yemoja, both engaged in to celebrate Ojo and Yemoja (a goddess), who are both dieities worshipped by Yoruba people.

Odun Olojo is scheduled for this Friday.

Ojo and Yemoja are two of the various ancestors of the Yoruba people, who had existed in the past and made key contributions to different parts of Yorubaland today and Isese, the totality of Yoruba culture and traditions.

These are the people that developed many of the things you're using and enjoying today as a Yoruba person, ranging from medicines, language, music, and lots of others.

Thus, they're worthy of celebration and rememberance by any Yoruba person with a working brain.

If you tell a typical African, they need to research the history of their ancestors and forefathers and document it, they'd regard you as a demonic/possessed person.

That says a lot about their low level of intelligence. A people that don't keep records of historical events and key figures in their history can never grow and develop, just like a river without a source will soon dry up.

No be curse. If you don't know your history as a person, you're no different from a common animal. Some of the key things that make a human qualified to be called a higher animal, and not a lower one, are knowledge of their history and having a native culture.

You know someone dey suffer from the chronic condition of low IQ when na trado-physics e dey use abuse person as an African. Obviously, your mental health is really in a poor state.

Person wey be physicist dey promote Isese, hin culture. That shows he likes the traditional ways of doing things already. But you still dey use that one abuse. Dem no get cogent points at all.

Am I supposed to be ashamed about something like trado-physics. This low IQ sef com be like disease.

Einstein, Leibnitz, and many other popular non-English physicists published many of their works in their native (traditional) language, and that's what you call trado-physics simply because it's coming from a fellow African.

Lols, people wey go use envy and jealously to harm themselves.

You prefer to see good things written in the native language of other people, but not in your own native (traditional) language.

No be cursed dem dey use to describe such people? Praying and wishing for progress and development to come from foreign people, but not your own culture. Lols.

That's just their problem with Otem. They don't really care about whether he's saying the truth or not. But their problem is, how can such a great mind they don't comprehend come from their continent, Africa?

Lols, if it were from the West or Arabs. These fools will readily accept anything he says, whether true or false.

Na these same people go dey complain about racism from the West, yet wetin dem get in mind for their fellow Africans no good at all, lols

But there are some of us who are after the truth, merit of claims, regardless of whether the claimant is African or not.

seankafor:
but why can a man be flared up by the mention of otem, isn't that mental psychosis

You're obviously not all right in the head. You mention Otem and also insult me, and I shouldn't reply you for insulting me? You must be sick in the head.

If you rain your abuses on Otem, it's none of my business. However, if you attack me verbally or physically, I'd reply you in kind.

Person wey dey fight for a god dey talk like say he be human being. Lols, if na offline, we know what these jihadists do.

It's the Internet age. All sorts of things and secrets will be exposed by freethinkers about your god and religion.

It's either you learn to be tolerant and open-minded to what has been proven to be true or you keep torturing yourself over something that's bigger than you or your fellow Muslims (note I said truth, i.e., evidence-based knowledge, not blatant lies you and your ilk have been posting here without a single proof or basis).

That thing bigger than you is, the reality of a new era: As science and technology keeps growing daily, the death of your religion moves closer.

Even your prophet already knew such an era was coming and foresaw it when he was alive.

It's just the reality of things. Fight between now and the next ten years, you can't fight the natural change that's currently ongoing driven by science and technology.

Your case be like person wey dey fight rain wey dey fall for him area. It's either you learn to adapt to the weather or adopt the scientific method (in the era of science) and invent technology to interact with the weather elements to control that aspect of nature, the rain.

It's the era of science, and religion will naturally take a backseat, whether you or your god likes it or not.

DeadPresidents:
Lmao it’s not that deep. Saudi man will dress in the most comfortable way in whatever place he’s in.

Make him wear Abayya for Finland whether cold nor go kill am

Lols. You know the manner of dressing of each people in a region evolved from the need to adapt to their immediate environment.

This implies the natural environment of a people plays a primary role in the evolution of their dressing and fashion culture.

But our African Muslim brothers and sisters no go gree. They must look like the Arabs or the whites (for the Christians), their slavemasters, sha

Adopt their god, eat, sleep and wake up like they do, and do almost everything like the Arabs or whites. They can't develop novel ways of doing things unique to their own natural environment.

Na copy copy

Anything African is secondary to those foreign peoples. Anyway, it all boils down to the notable differentials in the average intelligence level of these peoples.

Interesting codes.

Ibime:
Search Nairaland for "Roland17 Otem" and make an interesting observation
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I'm not even moved by the mockery. That's normal from fools.

In my engagements with people online and offline, I always focus on the use of reason. I lay an emphasis on merits and demerits of claims and arguments.

However, these morons don't actually care about these at all. They don't care whether something is true or not.

Just mock and demonize it if it's coming from a fellow African. That's the hallmark of low intelligence in most Africans.

It's mocking and posting blatant lies they do online. If it were offline, they enter the full jihad and religious violence mode and start fighting and killing for their god.

However, whether it's use of reason or force, I'm always at home, though for the latter, if a person no find wahala, big wahala no go locate them.

Apart from pure curiosity, self-defence is one of the reasons I've been gathering all sorts of ancient knowledge of physics all around.

Keep wailing about Otem o. No sleep. When you wake up tomorrow again, resume your career as wailers and add my moniker join as usual.

If I'm less busy, I may reply you in kind.

By the end of the year, when I've counted at least 6 studies I've done and published using the guy's book and other relevant works in the local cultures and Physics literature over the past few years, you can let us know what your daily tears here have achieved.

Dis one wey no sabi anything. We're talking about many ancient histories you can never come across in modern times anywhere even among the elderly, except a couple of tiny traces from a few elderly people, he dey talk about the myths and fables he heard while growing up.

And many of us, older people here, didn't hear of those same myths and fables you heard?

Some people are simply daft. Lols. Many of the historical records in the book are dead and lost histories, exactly what people that major in fields like Archeology, Paleontology, Cosmology, Astrophysics, Space Science, and related fields are looking for.

It's not good to be dumb in this life sha. I'm sure you've also seen the language that accompanied the book in myths and fables while growing up. Kids wey no sabi anything.

Even simple historical accounts of well-known deities like Ifa, Ogun in Otem's book, ask many Isese practitioners in modern times, they don't know these details.

As a scientist, it's those details I'm after. If most of such ATR adherents don't know some histories about their god, is it you that don't know your left from right that'd know such deep histories about dieties you don't even worship?

Lols. These ones are just kids.