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kkins25:
Then how did the mind come to be?

A001:
The mind exists in the brain, which is the organ of consciousness in higher animals like humans. Thus, anything that affects the brain affects the mind as well.
Consciousness is a fundamental force and interacts with other fundamental forces, especially EM forces (via ions) in the brain. These interactions are mainly responsible for what we call the mind. Drugs affect the ions in the brain and therefore influence these interactions between the fundamental forces, including consciousness and EM, in the mind.

TenQ:
Then you contradict science as before the big bang, there was the gravitational singularity which is primarily a dense infinitesimally small point where there is breakdown in the laws of physics and mass/chemistry doesn't exist

TenQ:
Does the fundamental and primordial property of the Universe have a beginning?

TenQ:
Hmn!
I think you just successfully defined the Creator and Uncaused First-Cause of Everything (aka God) in a technical term except that except that as of today, the general consensus of science is that the universe has a beginning.

Now, if the universe has a beginning (the laws of physics and chemistry must have a beginning), does the fundamental and primordial property of the Universe have a beginning?

If the fundamental and primordial property of the Universe has a beginning can we not say that matter and chemistry created consciousness?

Sorry, you are not much into philosophy but these are the questions

LordReed:
But you just admitted that the fundamental forces including consciousness are all physical!

TenQ:
I agree with you in the sense that Science has gone a long way in making sense of many observables and have been able to bend matter and energy to his will.

Unfortunately, I think it seems the Universe is built on fractal-like principles: the more we know the more the expanse we are yet to know.

Consciousness seem so deep and complex even for the smallest microbe. They seem to be able to choose amongst options what pleases them and go for it.

The fundamental of consciousness may be
1. sensory perception, then
2. a reward receptor mechanism of pain and pleasure
3. And a foresight that relishes future pleasures or pain resulting in Emotions like fear and anticipation.
4. Storage of history of experiences

These I believe are the bare knuckle fundermental to attaining Consciousness.

But then, there is another problem:
It's like the case of which came first; the Chicken or the Eggs.

Did Consciousness arise because of the sensory receptors and perception?
OR
Sensory receptors and perception are results of consciousness?
OR
Consciousness, Sensory receptors and perception occurred simultaneously?

LordReed:
Then why were you objecting before? Did I say consciousness was unnatural at any point?

LordReed:
So fundamental consciousness is natural and physical.

LordReed:
Are the fundamental forces physical or not?

TenQ:
Speaking about Mind and Consciousness, do you think it would be possible to simulate consciousness and the mind without giving the computer the power of Irritability?

Example:
If I cannot have Experiences (feelings) of events near me, how can I choose what experiences I like and the one I don't like?

If I cannot choose logically between good and bad EXPERIENCES, how can I make choices for the preferred experience?


A human being many times chooses to eat Bitter Kola instead of Sweets which go against normal logic. This is what make us conscious mindful Beings! This choice is not random. A human being sometimes make sacrifices over no apparent personal gain.

kkins25:
If the mind is not a product of physical element, why does stuff like colos distabilize the mind temporarily or permanently?

LordReed:
The author totally is and states in in the Pg 3 quote I gave. Furthermore when explaining what could be happen in on pg 4 lays out likely interactions between sentonically charged particles and the brain.

Point out on what page the author says sentons are not in the physical realm or dimension.

LordReed:
Are you kidding? Fundamental particles are physical. You guys get so hung up on such trivialities its amazing. You getting hung up on my colloquial use of element as if you you don't understand what I am trying to say. The proposed sentons are PHYSICAL of course I know they are not elements in the precise meaning of the word scientifically. I called them fundamental particles didn't I. Oh Andromeda.

I was trying to point out that this paper is not supporting the position that mind and body are of a dual nature. If sentons exist and are bosons then consciousness is a PHYSICAL phenomenon.

monerozi5590:
Buhari wants it to happen. Minister failed.

Have you ever handled something to someone and he failed?

LordReed:
I just went through the 1st paper and at no point does it dissociate the mind from the physical elements that bring it forth. In fact it seeks to firmly establish the mind as an emergent property, albeit of more fundamental particles then we are used to.

BTW the 2nd link doesn't work.

monerozi5590:
The former minister should be held accountable if he is found wanting. He has so many explanation to do. It was Buhari's idea for Nigeria Airways to start flying again.

monerozi5590:
Leave Buhari out of this. The Nigeria Airways was a project since 2018. Buhari thought it wise to start it on a clean slate. He approved some money and paid ex workers of Nigeria Airways after 15 years. So many people lost their job when it was liquidated in 2003.

Buhari handed the project to the guys in charge of the aviation to make sure it works. They didn't do a good job and you are saying Buhari stole money.

LordReed:
Physical particles and fields underly all phenomena. Pg 3
Then goes on to propose the particle senton as the fundamental particles underlying consciousness.

I didn't say the author and I are saying the same thing, I said: at no point does it dissociate the mind from the physical elements that bring it forth. In fact it seeks to firmly establish the mind as an emergent property, albeit of more fundamental particles then we are used to.

The author proposes that a new type of boson called the senton (from sentience) is responsible for consciousness. I am sure you understand that a boson is a physical fundamental particle.

Theflint1:
This data suppose kill the argument sha

Theflint1:
And what's the population of these our leaders relative to the country's entire population?

kkins25:
If the mind is not a product of physical element, why does stuff like colos distabilize the mind temporarily or permanently?

raumdeuter:
Egypt Libya Algeria Morroco Angola Equatorial Guinea Tunisia South Africa etc

Shaytun:
I'm sorry to bust your bubble but you are not God, Just because you want something to be, wouldn't make it to be.

I can proclaim myself as the richest man in the world, but when I go to the bank to withdraw my money, reality will hit me in the face.

So you need to adjust your reality that the country you live in is a very Poor country.

Shaytun:
Nigeria is not among the richest country in Africa, Maybe you don't know what you are talking about.

GDP is not a measure of how rich a country is, don't be poor in economics.

Stop throwing around economics abbreviation and parameter's you know nothing about, you will sound f**lish.

Shaytun:
Of course Africa is Poor, it's the Poorest continent after all.

You are speaking from the domain of Emotions, I'm talking to you based on fact and reality.

The reality that Nigeria is a poor country is not a misnomer, it's a hard base facts!!!

Tinubu can create the office of first son, first daughter or first uncle, it will no change the fact and reality that you live in a very poor country.

You are the Largest economy in Africa but have the lowest revenue to GDP ratio in the world.

South Africa spent has much money on Just education Alone as the Whole Nigeria Budget in a year.

Just think about that for a minute, the Total Nigeria Expenditure for a year is what South Africa spend on Just their Educational sector.

And no, the Government Spending problem we have is not the Purview of Tinubu, Maybe you forget but they are three arms of Government.

The Nigerian executive spending does not even ranked in the Top ten in Africa, Heck the Nigeria President is one of the least paid in the world, The Nigerian president earn less than Ghana, Kenya and even Ivory coast and yes I'm including the allowances.

But we have the highest paid legislator in the world and there's nothing the president can do to limit their spending, we the electorate need to start putting and applying pressure on our senator's and rep member to limit their spending, because right now we are channeling our grievances to the wrong source.

raumdeuter:
No long talk, get the budget of the country and divide by population that will give an idea of our standing

Are you willing to do that?

There are countries who made 80% of our revenue but have just 5% of our population

If you can calculate our income per head that will be helpful

raumdeuter:
Income per head

Get their budget and divide by official population to get an idea