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Trevor012:
Keep quiet. If you don't know how to read and understand that's your business. He was clearly listing the times Manchester city were favorites against teams that knocked them out to someone saying City will trash Inter due to them being favourites. He is basically saying of other teams has done it so can inter. You are the one crying over something you don't even understand.

I can see you're not all right in the head. Just a moment ago, you said he didn't call Madrid underdogs.

Then, the post where he said so was shown to you, instead of you to admit you've been saying nonsense since, you even added more balderdash.

Keep arguing with yourself. Na you know wetin you dey argue about. Argument wey no get head or tail.

Trevor012:
Did you claim Madrid were favorites yesterday, Yes or No? Answer the damn question and save us shalayes.

Ask Google. Go and learn English grammar using the Queen Primer series again.

Based on the venue where I watched the match yesterday, Madrid were seen as favorites to win. Simple statement in English. The sample used for the conclusion is clearly stated there.

pkasso:
Bros, dey calm down nau. The fact that Inter has 3 CL titles doesn't count for much. They haven't played a CL final since 2010. Heck, until this season they haven't made a CL QF in 12 odd years. They have only made it this far partly because of the luck of the draw. The gulf in quality between City and Inter is sizeable and it would be quite the upset if Inter wins the final

Would Inter have made a list of top 8 teams to win the CL at the start of the season? The answer's NO.

If he had even called Inter an underdog, I wouldn't even mind. But a whole Madrid? Then, he even added Liverpool. Lols

Trevor012:
Did you claim Madrid were favorites yesterday, Yes or No? Initial ko full name ni.

Go and read the post you quoted again. But this time, ask someone that understands English to help you translate it to your mother tongue.

In the post you quoted, I clearly stated the sample (the spectators I watched the game with) I used to draw my conclusion.

Trevor012:
Nobody tagged Madrid an underdog. Una go dey invent things from una head dey argue with.

Your argument dey meaningless and baseless. This is how the issue started. You can see the list of those teams he called underdogs there. Madrid, the biggest team in the tournament and defending champions, is in the list. That's the bone of contention. No dey make argument wey no get head or tail.

Greatihex:
that is what they have been saying since pep came to city, but since then nigga has always had his ucl hope dashed by underdogs each season. All have been underdogs as at the time they met city. Let me list them.

Monaco
Liverpool
Tottenham
Lyon
Chelsea
Madrid
All were underdogs to city as at when they met and eliminated city.

Inter will soon join the list.

Trevor012:
It's as bright as the sun.

Your argument no get head or tail. This was my initial post.

A001:
Pep is a genius. No surprises in Man City winning the crucial tie yesterday. I expected them to beat Madrid.

That first leg result was crucial.

Someone called Man City a bigger club than Chelsea. In what universe is Man City bigger than us? Based on what achievements?

Also, another person listed Madrid and Liverpool as underdogs against City. In what planet are Madrid with 14 CL titles and Liverpool with 6 CL titles underdogs?

Lols, what are underdog and Madrid doing in the same sentence as far as UCL is concerned?

As far as European football is concerned, Man City never achieve anything. But I expect them to win their first CL title this season against Inter.

Clowns plenty for here sha. Man City against Inter in the final, City are expected to win because they've a stronger squad. That doesn't make Inter an underdog.

Only a clown calls Inter Milan with 3 CL titles an underdog. Underdog is a term used for teams called a dark horse in a tournament such as Club Brugge, Celtic, Sporting Lisbon, and co.

Use your dictionary before embarrassing yourself in public.

Trevor012:
Go and look for you and who is discussing about underdog. The fact here is Madrid were never favourite yesterday. City were the outright favorite yesterday. Nothing concern me and your underdog brouhaha.

Na you dey type nonsense all about. Check my initial post you quoted. I clearly stated Madrid and underdog can't be in the same sentence as far as UCL is concerned. Then, you quoted me without even understanding the post you quoted.

So, there must be an underdog in every match. This one don kolo

Jodera:
I don't just know why people think an Underdog must be in every match.

If you say Madrid is favourites or Man city is favourites, then it's good.

But calling a whole Madrid underdog? Na wa oo

I don't understand o. A whole Madrid for that matter. The defending champions. The only club to win 3 UCL titles in a row twice.

Trevor012:
Whatever you saw yesterday anywhere is meaningless. City were favorites yesterday and through out the entire tie.

As of now, only a clown puts Madrid and underdog in the same sentence as far as UCL is concerned.

Some people might expect their opponents to win a game, that doesn't make Madrid an underdog. Do you even know underdog means? I don't think so.

Teams you can call underdogs in the UCL are Celtic, Shakhtar Donetsk, Club Brugge, and the likes.

Stop saying nonsense.

andrew444:
Yes Madrid was the Under dog against mancity

Being the most successful doesn’t make you the better team currently

I don’t need dictionary for simple things

So, against a Man City with zero CL titles, Madrid, the defending champions coached by the most accomplished manager in the tournament, were the underdogs. Lols.

So, if Madrid had won yesterday, you'd call that an upset. Lols, clowns full this thread sha

Trevor012:
Getting higher odds means that their opponents have more chances of winning yet you claimed they were the favorites yesterday. People with less chances of winning are favourites 😂😂

Na English be your problem. Na you dey carry odds all about as a habitual gambler. I clearly stated, among those fans I watched the match yesterday, Madrid were seen as the favorites. Na you dey mention odds all about.

At least, use your dictionary before you embarrass yourself.

Clowns. Getting higher odds means that their opponents have more chances of winning. That's simply probability and doesn't make the team an underdog.

English is definitely una problem.

andrew444:
So if ac millan with 7 ucl wan play mancity na mancity go be the underdog ?

You people don’t even know how this under dog tag work

The bookies even gave Madrid 6 odds yesterday ,that should tell you who was the underdog

Being the most successful ucl team doesn’t mean you are the best team in the world currently.

So, in every match, there must be an underdog abi? And Madrid was the underdog against Man City? Do you know what underdog means?

No, I don't think so. Use your dictionary.

Trevor012:
What you witnessed in the viewing center is meaningless. How can favourites be having 5 odds while the other team a measly 1.50? You think bookies are stupid or what. Madrid were never favourites yesterday. Even at their home stadium they had the higher odds than City. City have been the favourites all through the tie.

You've not made any single sense so far. So a team with 14 titles at the semi-finals coached by arguably the best manager in the tournament isn't the favourites, but another one with zero titles are.

So Madrid was the underdog yesterday abi? Check what underdog means in a dictionary before quoting me unnecessarily.

Trevor012:
Madrid were given 5 odds yesterday to win and City 1.5 on betting platform. How exactly were dey favourites yesterday?

I'm telling you what I witnessed in the viewing center where I watched the game yesterday. I don't care about your odds as I don't gamble.

Maybe Madrid was the underdog yesterday then if you don't know who an underdog is.

Greatihex:
No dey cap, Oga. When Liverpool eliminated man city in the UCL that year, Liverpool were just having a resurgence after being away from the champions league for many years. Heck, they even played in Europa the season prior. Man city were clearly everyone's favourite to progress. Stop those nonsense talk of how many champions league person get. Inter has 3 ucl and man city has none, so by your logic Inter is the favourite in this final?

Last season also, City were most people's favourite to reach the final, but Madrid beat them. No dey reason like this abeg.

Na English be your problem.

Madrid is the most successful club in UCL with 14 titles. Liverpool is the most successful English club in UCL with 6 titles. Yet, you called these two clubs that are much bigger than Man City wey never win spoon for Europe underdogs against City in the CL.

I see you don't know what underdog means, calling two of the biggest clubs in a tournament underdogs.

In this season's final, there are no favorites, but Man City has higher chances of winning. Based on achievements, Inter are the bigger club.

In yesterday's game, more people predicted a win for Madrid than they did for Man City.

Madrid, being the biggest club in the tournament, were the favorites to win yesterday.

Pep is a genius. No surprises in Man City winning the crucial tie yesterday. I expected them to beat Madrid.

That first leg result was crucial.

Someone called Man City a bigger club than Chelsea. In what universe is Man City bigger than us? Based on what achievements?

Also, another person listed Madrid and Liverpool as underdogs against City. In what planet are Madrid with 14 CL titles and Liverpool with 6 CL titles underdogs?

Lols, what are underdog and Madrid doing in the same sentence as far as UCL is concerned?

As far as European football is concerned, Man City never achieve anything. But I expect them to win their first CL title this season against Inter.

raumdeuter:
2 weekends ago after the American mall shooting, Some people here were saying how Nigeria is safer for gun deaths because people didnt own guns. That's just 40 Nigerians killed in Plateau alone by herdsmen in the last 24 to 48hrs

A001, do you think these people wont rather have guns to defend themselves instead of being lined up like chickens to be shot for sport

https://www.nairaland.com/7691567/suspected-fulani-herdsmen-kill-40

The solution is to address the root causes of these clashes. But adopting the US gun laws that are largely ineffective will only turn a bad situation to a severe one.

Donjazet2:
A001, I will like to know your personal opinion on this.

These are 2 lesbian nigerian women, getting married in the US, yet inculcating aspects of their African tradition in their marriage and also religion despite both traditions publicly negating the same sex practices.

How do you view something like this?
Are they right in inculcating their tradition ina same sex marriage which their tradition doesn't recognize and do you think their tradition be altered to recognize this?

This is the thin line where liberalism clashes directly with conservatism. Something you seem to battle with in a way, you want things to change progressively but you still advocate for our ancient conservatism.

How do you interpret this?

I've addressed this issue here before. Cultures should be dynamic. They should evolve and change with the times.

I don't have any issues with LGBTQ+ people. Homosexuality is purely natural, and there's nothing wrong with it, even though I'm straight.

It's completely fine to observe certain African traditions as a gay/lesbian person. The important thing is to select and observe the good aspects of the traditions and shun the bad ones.

Traditions should change with the times, and it's high time Africans stopped condemning LGBTQ+ people and irreligious folks.
Cultures and traditions that don't change and grow with the times die out in the long run.

Homosexuality didn't even just begin in Africa in modern times. Some African cultures used to practice it before the advent of Christianity and Islam, two religions that have killed millions of gay and lesbian people in history, especially Christianity.

Homosexuality and same-sex marriage should be the least problems for Africans. I believe we've more serious issues such as corruption, poor leadership, poverty, epileptic power supply, low literacy level, religious extremism in need of our attention.

Homosexuality isn't an issue at all.

A40:
Hmmm. So he actually hung himself and they're in denial??

Yes.

Greatihex:
Be it Man city or Madrid, Inter will win the UCL. Bookmark it.

Bookmarked.

BlueRayDick:
So this Nigerian boy has 7 Guinness World Record to his name 😳

Las las , na who blow him own trumpet our people dey follow dance for this country called Nigeria .

https://www.instagram.com/p/CmitHGVogbP/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

A Guinness World Record holder from Akwa Ibom. Hilda Baci is also from there.

MorataFC:
Pep will definitely win the UCL battle against Real Madrid on Wednesday but can he win the war?

If Pep can defeat Ancelloti's Madrid, who are the best team in the tournament, is it a weak team like Inter that will stop Pep?

Nigerian Police Force talk say the policeman Seun Kuti slapped is in a coma and undergoing treatment in a hospital. Lols, a civilian slapped a policeman into a coma, NPF lie pass Lie Muhammad

akwesenana:
A0001, omo, this is deep. So, how did Olorun and the others that flew to Niger come about?

Abi they came from Nothing?

To the best of my knowledge and understanding, they're elements of the Universe.

According to Otem, his sources (Atum and other gods that gave the histories to him) said their source/origin does not have a specific form or name or religion. It's a Great Source of Energy (not meant to be worshipped) and its consciousness exists in the brain of all humans and is part of all living and non-things.

It's more or less a system containing all things in existence. But personally, I'm agnostic about God.

akwesenana:
How can I dive deeper into this rabbit hole?

I don't send books to nlers.

If Otem was still coming to Nairaland, he'd have sent his book to you. But it seems he has departed Nairaland for good.

You may find his email in one of his posts and contact him to get a copy. He seldom replies emails. 2019 was the last time he replied my own email.

Or you may find Zecharia Sitchin's books, Sumerian Tablets, online on sites like https://www.sacred-texts.com/

akwesenana:
Boss A0001, you mean that Abasi, Oghene, Osa et al where different beings who walked the earth centuries ago?

Not centuries ago, but the beginning of life on this planet. They're ETs, cosmocreators, and spacefarers that designed early humans and taught them languages and cultures. Those early humans, which paganists worship as deities today, passed down the stories of Olorun, Abasi, Oghene, Chukwu, Atum, Allah, Yahweh, Mazda, Thor, Ohmorihi, El, Enki, Enlil from one generation to the other as the Creator God in various cultures.

For instance, Olorun was the extraterrestrial (a spacefarer) who created early humans (giants) in what's called Yorubaland today. These early humans were created in Olorun's image using advanced consciousness science and advanced genetics.

Olorun ruled the land as an ancient king, created early humans primarily to serve him as slaves, and told those humans he's the Supreme God. Yorubas call themselves eru Olorun (Olorun's slaves) as was taught to the early humans (the progenitors) from the beginning of time in Yorubaland, and this teaching was passed down from generation to generation.

Atum, Allah, Yahweh, Chukwu, Abassi, Luna, Ojo, Ohmorihi did the same thing in their respective lands, with each claiming to be Supreme God to the humans they created as slaves.

In his book of history, Otem explains how Olorun traveled to the Earth from space:

"And around Niger, some gods flew to possess the lands. And they were called Abassi, Chuku, Olorun, Oghene and hundreds of others. And they dwelled on the mountaintops until they got their children and until their children had become of age. And they would let their children down by chains or by ladders from the mountaintops and hills.

"Now in the land where Olorun had chosen to stay, he stood on a mountain and dwelt there until he had his children. And two of them, namely Obatala, the first of them, and Odua, the second, began to demand of their parents that it was time for them to go to the earth below. And Olorun said, should I let you down like the eagles let down their eaglets?"

Then did Odua reply, saying, father, we have no wings to fly, how then shall you cast us down like the eaglets? Let us go with the chain rather, for I fear for my life.

"And Obatala said, he is not strong enough. Father, you can let me down and I shall stand on my feet as soon as my feet touch the ground. Then Olorun smiled and said, go with the chains, because I cannot risk losing you both the same day. And Olorun tied the chain to a metal object nailed into the mountain and let down the chain.

Then he gave them some tepexes of the soil. Now the two children descended with the chains and began to spread the tepex on the ground. And the air mixed with the tepex to form many living beings. And they began to spread within their lands. And the gods taught them languages and geography, making them to believe that the whole earth was all they had seen."

I would have shared related excerpts from other relevant books I've read, but the post will be too long.

Now, this story has a lot of depth by the time you read the histories and etymologies in other parts of the book.

For instance, after Atum had ruled over ancient Egpyt and created early humans as slaves who saw him as the Supreme God, he left the Earth. In the homo sapiens era, he reincarnated as a homo sapien called Otem in what's modern-day Luxembourg now and narrated some histories the guy we call Otem on Nairaland told in his book.

"Otem" and "Atum" are common names in places around Luxembourg. They're Old High Germanic words, and "Otem" means "breath". Otem is actually a very old word, being the base of totem.

You may not believe this, but the vast majority of the histories of humans on Earth are lost. Recorded history only accounts for a tiny percentage.

Note: The attached picture is Oduduwa or Odua. The first Odua was a nephilim (a giant). He reincarnated in the homo sapiens era (the attached photo).

larride:
Go back to the first post I made, I'm telling you Olorun is not the name of the Supreme God of the Yoruba culture, it is Olodumare.

Olorun is a title used and not the name of the Supreme being. That one thing you are mixing up.

I know this because we have confirm IFA worshippers from my maternal side.

In Isese, the Supreme God has three manifestations known as Olodumare, Olorun, and Olofin. The Odu Ifa literary corpus explains the three words, which are the names of the Supreme God in Yoruba.

As I said before, people that call Olorun a title are the same that say Olorun is the same as Allah and Jehovah. They say Olorun, Allah, Jehovah means God. That's a fallacy and very wrong.

Olorun is the name of the Supreme Being or God in Yoruba culture.

Allah is the name of the Supreme God in Arabic culture. Do you know the meaning of Bismillah that Muslims open their prayers with?

Jehovah is the name of the Supreme Being in Israeli culture.

Olorun is starkly different from Allah and Jehovah.

Olorun, Allah, and Yahweh are specific names, but God is a title.

Different entities have said they're God in history. But there's only one Olorun Olodumare, only one Allah, only one Yahweh.

Some people can form a religion tomorrow and say the name of their own Supreme God is Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM). One is a name (FSM); the other is a title (God).

larride:
Eledumare was corrupted from Olodumare. No IFA adherent will call Olodumare as Eledumare.

Olorun as used in the Ifa Corpus is not a name of a god but as a title, "The owner of heaven". Olodumare is the supreme being.

You're contradicting yourself. Just a while ago, you said Olorun is not in Ifa. Now you said it's there.

Olorun Olodumare is the name of the Supreme God in Yoruba culture. Isese adherents pray in Olorun's name.

Olorun is not a title. Not all all.

It's a specific name, and that's why no one else can bear Olorun.

Anyone can claim to be God, which is a title.

People that erroneously call Olorun a title are the same that say Olorun is the same as Allah and Yahweh. They all mean God Almighty.

That's a confusion of the highest order.

larride:
It's obvious you read alot but it seems sometimes you get confused and mixed some things up.

An example also is categorizing Sango along with other supreme being in other religion.

I don't confuse things. There was never a time I called Sango the Supreme God in any of my posts.

Where your confusion stems from is, I categorise all entities worshipped in religions as gods of religion, whether the major or chief gods such as Olorun Olodumare, Atum, Allah, Yahweh or the lesser gods such as Orunmila, Sango, and others.

larride:
Almost everyone that's basically interested in Yoruba history and culture and reads it will know Sango was human who learnt and got the secret of thunder. It was after his death that some of his followers began to worship him and he gained divinity.

These beings are called Orisha in Yoruba culture. They are not called olorun or whatever. Orisha are basically human things that transcend into spirit and represent an aspect of nature. For example Sango - Thunder, Ogun - Iron, Obatala - Healing and so on.

Infact in Ifa, Ori is more important than most of the Orisha. Theres an Ifa corpus that says "Ori la ba do, la fi Orisha is le"

You're preaching to the choir.

larride:
It is TRUE

Eledumare was corrupted from Olodumare. It's used as an oriki when Christian's wants to praise God. That's when we use Olorun Eledumare. There's no Eledumare in IFA. It is OLODUMARE

Odu means Pot
Mare means infite or inexhaustible

So Olodumare is loosely translated to "The one whose pot is inexhaustible".

You can refer to IFA creation story.

I know the etymology of Olodumare. But I'm not aware of the difference between Eledumare and Olodumare.

Olorun is in Odu Ifa corpus. You're wrong about that. Olorun is one of the oldest words in Yoruba language.