₦airaland Forum

TenQ:
Speaking about Mind and Consciousness, do you think it would be possible to simulate consciousness and the mind without giving the computer the power of Irritability?

Example:
If I cannot have Experiences (feelings) of events near me, how can I choose what experiences I like and the one I don't like?

If I cannot choose logically between good and bad EXPERIENCES, how can I make choices for the preferred experience?


A human being many times chooses to eat Bitter Kola instead of Sweets which go against normal logic. This is what make us conscious mindful Beings! This choice is not random. A human being sometimes make sacrifices over no apparent personal gain.

I'll explain tomorrow.

Shaytun:
What finances?

$30B is not a lot of money.

Maybe you meant obi, cause Tinubu has been in Government since 2007

Nigeria, the largest economy in Africa, is poor yet her politicians are among the highest paid in the world. As I said earlier, only the ignorant ones and hypocrites say Nigeria is poor.

Our leaders who know the situation of things much more than you and I don't believe that. Or have you seen your darling Tinubu proposed any austerity measures as it's expected from poor countries?

No.

Did he make any move to cut down on state spendings? No.

He's going about the business of governance just like past leaders did even during the oil boom. There's an office for the First Lady that will have many staff under her.

Throughout Tinubu's tenure, that office will gulp billions, if not trillions, of naira.

There might soon be an office for the First Daughter as well in an unprecedented development.

Does that look like how a poor country operates to you? It seems you know more about the country's financial resources than those running the government.

Keep chanting the country is poor all about while your leaders like Tinubu continue to receive some of the highest allowances in the world and stealing billions of naira now and then.

The country is poor for the masses, but not for the politicians.

If Nigeria — the largest economy in Africa — is poor, then all countries in Africa are poor as well.

semmyk:
I use Scimago to check if a journal is worth my time/effort.
Obviously with time, even without Scimago, you'll be able to appraise the quality of an intended journal.
The more you get entrenched in your field, the more you'll 'determine' journal relevance and quality, as well as draft quality manuscripts.

Okay, thanks.

LordReed:
I just went through the 1st paper and at no point does it dissociate the mind from the physical elements that bring it forth. In fact it seeks to firmly establish the mind as an emergent property, albeit of more fundamental particles then we are used to.

BTW the 2nd link doesn't work.

There's no where in that paper where the author stated the mind is a product of physical elements.

Don't say what a source never stated.

As I stated before, the mind is an emergent property of fundamental consciousness, the same position of the paper. The diagrams attached to my previous post already explains this.

Your position is starkly different from the author's.

Shaytun:
Nigeria is poor.

The YoY revenue Nigeria generates is less than that of Algeria.


Don’t let anyone deceive you, Nigeria is a very poor country.

That's the view of ignorant people like you. Obviously, your politicians that know much more than you about the country's financial resources don't think so judging by the way they spend state's funds lavishly including your darling Tinubu.

Shaytun:
Alex Otti appointed 21 special adviser, I didn’t see you complaining

I didn't read the news report. This shows the notion that Nigeria is poor is wrong.

Nigeria is poor, but Tinubu wants to appoint 20 special advisers, each of which will have many people working under them. The country is poor, but the Adamawa state governor is about to appoint 50 special advisers, with each employing multiple individuals.

Who is fooling who?

liveLongNprospa:
Lmao... Nobody is surprised by what El Rufai said.
We expected that when that ticket was declared winner by inec.

What we are surprised by is the fact the apc guys and their pseudo supporters are too much of sissies to admit the truth. 😁

Okay

I don't know why you people are surprised. People like Amoto supported Tinubu even with his crooked history all for the supremacy of Islam, just like all my relatives who are Muslims.

LordReed:
What do you mean by where does the functioning of the boy emerge from? The body emerges from an embryo. Are saying an embryo has consciousness?

I expected you to at least read those materials above to update your knowledge on consciousness. Your views on the subject are getting obsolete.

You assume you understand what you're arguing about, but you don't have the slightest idea.

I think I've said enough on the subject. I've a lot on my table.

BlueRayDick:
We no talk say who don great make he no great again o. Respek to great Pele , but u see Messi? …. At the mention of his name all boatengs disguising as defenders must bow !

😂😂😂😂, raumdeuter ngbo?

LordReed:
For me the question is resolved by understanding that the mind emerges from the functioning of the body, there is no dualism at play here (as far as I am concerned). I think it is people who are trying to reconcile a dualistic view of mind and body that have the problem.

And where does the functioning of the body emerge from? I don't know how you want to rule out consciousness sha.

And I hope you're not making the mistake of thinking complexity yields consciousness.

BlueRayDick:
There are gods and there are gods. Messi is the one true god of football; there’s none like him! 🙅‍♂️

Lols, see this fanatic others are false gods abi including the great Pele?

LordReed:
I have a problem with your last link. Roger Penrose is a mathematician why would I look to him for expertise in neuroscience or even psychology?

He's a mathematician and theoretical physicist. He's primarily a physicist, and that book is one of the best materials you can find presently to gain a scientific understanding of the latest progress made on consciousness research.

Besides, he co-authored the book with several other scientists, especially neuroscientists like Stuart Hameroff.

LordReed:
What is the mind-body problem?

The mind-body problem: A longstanding question in philosophy examining the relationship between the mind and the body, or more specifically, the relationship between mental phenomena and physical phenomena. The mind-body problem raises fundamental inquiries about the nature of consciousness, subjective experience, and their connection to the physical world.

For an overview, check this out: https://www.blackwellpublishing.com/content/bpl_images/content_store/sample_chapter/0631217746%5Cstich-001.pdf

LordReed:
Ok.

Mind as far as we know is the emergent property of the workings of the brain and other parts of the body, It is real and somewhat measurable in that the impulses the brain produces correspond to states of mind that are similar in all individuals. Can your exact thoughts be viewed externally? No but the state of you mind always matches particular brain scan/imaging patterns that can be viewed.

I regard mind as an emergent property, too, but not from the workings of the brain and other parts of the body. Such a notion is superficial and will always be problematic; historically, it has done little to resolve the mind-body problem.

It's better to regard mind as an emergent property of fundamental consciousness as explained in the Four-Layer Architecture or FLA model proposed by the same scientist I mentioned earlier, which postulates four architectural layers of consciousness (see attached pictures).

Without incorporating consciousness into our models of Physics, Chalmers' hard problems of consciousness will never be solved, and we'll never be able to understand mind deeply and measure it.

Many scientists (myself inclusive) are working on incorporating consciousness into our models of Physics, especially the Standard Model. It's the way forward.

Check out some relevant papers and books on the current scientific progress on consciousness research:
1. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Karl-Sipfle/publication/364708467_Consciousness_the_Full_Stack_Four-Layer_ArchitectureLanguage_on_Mind_on_STFC_Part_1_of_4_An_SSRN_Top_Ten_download/links/6357dc5796e83c26eb527c05/Consciousness-the-Full-Stack-Four-Layer-ArchitectureLanguage-on-Mind-on-STFC-Part-1-of-4-An-SSRN-Top-Ten-download.pdf
2. https://osf.io/6b3qw/download
3. https://icmacyfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Consciousness_and_the_Universe__Quantum_Ph_-_Roger_Penrose.pdf

I may share links to my own papers too later.

BlueRayDick:
Messi is the god of football, he deserves even more than anything the saudi moneybags are offering.

The god of football? Without taking anything away from Messi's greatness, I think a god of football is better. Other greats like Pele, Ronaldo, De Lima, Ronaldinho, Zidane, and Maradona are all gods of football when compared with their less talented peers. They all have god-like talents for football.

TenQ:
I wonder what Atheists have to say:
If the mind isn't real and measurable, how can it be said to exist.

I'd love to know what their reasons are.

Itsrm:
Parent self is too far. I also went to a public school but public school is not even an option in Nigeria of today.

I was actually referring to the massive price difference between the private schools. You know how some charge as low as 30k per term and others 400k or even higher.

Some will tell you it's all packaging and they all teach the same thing. Others will say it's not.

No, they don't teach the same thing. The quality and methodology of teaching differ from one school to the other, and it's expected that schools with higher tuitions provide better quality.

Most times, that's the case.

I can't imagine if I decide to teach Math and Physics in a secondary school and a school will be offering me less than 200k based on my years of experience.

The truth is quality education costs a lot of money. As a proprietor, if you seek graduates with first class, second-class upper, and MSc as teachers, you've got to be ready to pay well.

GloriousGbola:
Someone shared this with me

The behavioral stuff is complete bullshit and written by a child. In this very lagos people live in egbeda and work in vi. Are they going to find equivalent paying jobs in vi? They also picked those places to reduce their rent.

Pick a school close to your home. Unfortunately schools are not uniform in quality. There is actually a state school within walking distance from my house. A school to apprentice pipline.


As for parking your car at home, it comes down to efficiency. I went to pc village on Friday via danfo. The journey was three to four hours in total. It would have been maybe one and a half if I had driven.

These ideas may work in other cities though. All this talk about three working days in kwara. Transport in kwara has always been easy and cheap at least from a lag perspective

Valid points.

TenQ:
Even though you have spoken very complicated and complex things, I can decipher some basic things from your write-up.
1. You are not an Atheist
2. The mind is REAL (I am sure Atheists will not agree with you here)
3. Our mind is a Fundermental property of our existence (fundamental to the universe)
4. Our minds may exist even after death

I'm not an atheist. The mind is real, just like love, hate, and other abstract things.

TenQ:
I usually look at this from Christian and Logic point of view.
1. The mind is a property of our Soul (intelligence, self awareness and memory)
2. The Soul is akin to the SOFTWARE that gives expression to our Physical being
3. The Soul can exist outside the Body/Brain
4. The Brain and the Central nervous system is just like the CPU of a computer

Yes, the mind is an aspect of the soul. The software analogy is okay.

And yes, the soul can exist outside the body. Actually, the soul exists in all realms and dimensions at once. But the brain and heart tune our consciousness to focus on our present realm.

seankafor:
in all these, what behavioral changes are our politicians ready to make?

Or is it yet another avenue to increase their fat purses?

It's up to us, the masses, to put them on their toes and keep them accountable. That's if religion and tribalism would allow it.

TenQ:
1. Is the mind of a human being REAL or imaginary?

The mind is real.

TenQ:
2. Is the MIND of a person a product of Physics and Chemistry?

No. It's the other way round: Physics and Chemistry are products of the mind.

TenQ:
3. If it is, how can we objectively prove that our memory and intelligence is a real? Are their any physical quantities to use in measuring the mind?

The mind evolves from energy. To measure the mind, we need to understand consciousness and the brain deeply.

At the moment, the scientific understanding of consciousness is low. Even though consciousness is part of Nature, physicists speak of the “physical world,” tacitly excluding from any mention in our physics models such things as pain and pleasure. This is incomplete Physics.

Based on my own line of thought, I posit that consciousness is fundamental to the Universe. It's one of the fundamental interactions in our Universe.

In other words, consciousness is a fundamental force, like others such as the strong force, the electromagnetic force, the weak force, and gravity.

All around us, we've consciousness fields, which exist in various distributions in the Universe -- in animals (such as humans), plants, microbes, planets, stars, and others.

Using the Sentonic Theory of Fundamental Consciousness (STFC) proposed by NASA scientist Karl Sipfle, the consciousness field is a vector field called a sentonic field propagated by sentons, which are a massless boson of spin 1. The key to measuring the mind lies in understanding how the consciousness field interacts with other vector fields generated by the other fundamental forces, especially in the brain.

I believe we'll record scientific breakthroughs in this area in our lifetime.

TenQ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnoIf2NwaRY


Researchers say there may be Consciousness after death

I posit consciousness exists after death just like scientists such as Einstein and others stated. I regard death as a transition or translation of consciousness to other dimensions or realms of existence.

When you see the Universe as a block, the past, present, and future all exist at once. Our consciousness or soul is our core and exists in all dimensions or realms at once.

It's all relativistic: Time, viewed from our frame of reference (perception), moves forward only in one direction, but from the frame of a photon, time doesn't exist at all meaning the past, present and future are one.

Without a body or vessel, our consciousness operates in this photonic frame, but when consciousness interacts with matter such as the human body in this tiny part of the Universe we're, it's restricted.

People, who we think are dead, aren't really dead but are existing in other fragments of time in other dimensions and other forms in the Universe because the total energy in the Universe is constant, and from the principle of energy conservation, energy cannot be created nor destroyed but can be converted from one form to the other.

When we understand consciousness deeply, we'll be able to interact with people we call dead existing in other time fragments. In other words, time travel will be possible.

Consciousness, which is purely energy and fundamental to the universe, doesn't really die but changes from one form to the other during its evolution over time.

As Einstein stated: "People like us who believe in physics know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion. Time, in other words, he said, is an illusion."

It's the brain that creates the illusion of time and space for us.

I visited an older friend yesterday evening, who is a staunch Muslim. We conversed about many issues affecting the country, top of which was the fuel subsidy removal that has brought about key changes in the Nigerian business landscape.

We left business to discuss other matters. Then, the man reported one of his children to me that he's backsliding in the deen (the religion of Islam) thinking I'm still a Muslim.

I listened to him patiently as he berated his son's unserious attitude to observing salah (prayer) five times daily.

I empathized with the man. I couldn't really tell him what I'd in mind: That neither he nor the said son really needs a religion.

I advised the son to follow his instincts and listen to his dad (though I didn't really mean the second piece of advice).

I wish I could tell the man that he's only getting worked up unnecessarily on the Arab culture, that there's really nothing special about Islam, and that religion is just a trivial issue.

Any African practicing Christianity or Islam is merely engaging in folly. An intelligent person always promotes their own culture.

Culture, as Geert Hofstede (one of the top social psychologists in the world) explained, "is the collective programming of the mind which distinguishes the members of one group or society from those of another". It's software of the mind.

Thus, the majority of Africans today are either European or Arab in reality, and they're only African superficially.

Such less intelligent people also say their ancestors are from Europe or Arabia, even though there's no evidence for this belief whatsoever.

Religion, language, customs, and norms are some of the key elements of a culture. Some anthropologists use the metaphor of an iceberg to describe culture, and this is one of the best models I've come across on the subject matter, apart from the Hofstede model of six dimensions of national cultures.

I often feel nonplussed when I see Africans practicing these two foreign religions, which are aspects of the European and Arab cultures. How do you develop as a people when you don't value your culture?

How do you preserve your history as a people?

Religion, as shown in the iceberg and Hofstede's models (pictures attached), is just an element of a culture. Islam is part of the Arab culture, and if you're an African practicing this religion or Christianity, you're merely engaging in folly and wasting your time.

No culture is superior to the other, and no culture is absolutely good or bad. The African cultures have their good and bad aspects, just like the European and Arab cultures.

I expect the future generations of Africans to be wiser. Most of the current Africans are dull, so they're a lost cause. For this reason, Africans will continue to lag behind in the world.

It all starts from the mind -- a free mind, not an enslaved one.

BlueRayDick:
I’m not saying any man should not find ways to survive , but we shouldn’t be surprised going forward if we watch videos of crime fighters and the criminals confess they went into robbery as a means of survival following the hardship that followed subsidy removal .

Yea, and that would most likely happen if PO was the president as well.

BlueRayDick:
The bold is funny 😆

How many jobs dey sef gangan before person go start choosing one that is closer to home ahead of one farther ?

Does Seun think people living in places like Abule Egba, Iyana Ipaja , AIT Alagbado etc just delibrately choose to work in far places like VI, Lekki, Ajah, Igbo Efon, etc ? . No be say na where job dey dem dey work ?

By the way , the people doing remote working are not even up to 5% of the entire working population.

Every man must find ways to survive. Petrol subsidy is gone for good.

"The key to the success of fuel subsidy removal is the behavioural changes it will lead to.

After adjusting your behaviour, even though the price of petrol has increased, you may end up spending less on petrol and transportation than what you used to spend.

If you can do that, then it means the government has been subsidising unnecessary consumption of petrol.

Many people will park their cars at home and use buses, bikes, and their legs instead.

Many people will apply for jobs closer to where they live, even if they pay a little bit less.

Many parents will choose schools closer to where they live or work, or boarding schools, for their kids.

Many working youths will pool their funds to rent flats closer to where they work.

Many people will stop driving from Lagos to Canaanland in Ota every Sunday for service.

Such behavioural changes will reduce overall fuel consumption and also decongest our roads, possibly increasing productivity because people will spend less time stuck in traffic.

What behavioural changes are you planning to make?" — Seun via Twitter.

I agree with Seun on the points raised in that submission. I already got a solar inverter. With this and my fuel-efficient generator, I've drastically cut down on my fuel consumption as a remote worker.

The 40 liters of petrol I bought on the inauguration day last week at the old price will last about 20 days.

E still dey do me one kind when I'll have to shell out 10k to get less than 20 liters of fuel. Na to continue to devise ways to reduce my fuel consumption drastically.

Getting another laptop might help.

MrJaay:
You don't need to worry about publishing cost for your scientific papers. Many SCOPUS and Web of Science indexed journals do not require publication fees. The quality of your paper, and your ability to scale the peer review processes will determine the publication of your paper.

Here's an aggregator that you can use to sieve appropriate journals for your manuscript:
https://www.scimagojr.com/journalrank.php

Best wishes.

Thanks a lot.

BlueMann:
Na him o

Love the gold, not a fan of the white under the armpit but let's see

Not bad. But na that white under the armpit spoil am.

Please, any recommendations for low-cost journals to publish scientific papers?

I support subsidy removal, but it's better done in phases, not outright removal.

Even with petrol selling for around 200 naira per liter, millions of Nigerians were suffering let alone now that it's going for over 500 naira per liter.

The fuel subsidy should be removed in phases, and within each phase, the government should fix the local refineries and work to improve the country's electricity supply.

I don't support the current arrangement, and NLC should fight the government because anarchy and chaos could soon ensue.