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Charity begins from home. We've more pressing issues in Nigeria than the Isreal-Palestine war.

ToyinDipo:
I probably have more theoretical knowledge about ifa than you.
It’s like a Jew claiming urim and thummim were the basis of google, loads of uninformed nonsense.
Anyway, aberration suits you.

Only in your imagination.

ToyinDipo:
I remember that ese ifa, that talks about data ranking, searching, indexing… algorithms.

The only thing close to science in ifa, is the concept of zeros and ones, which is actually limited to different combinations in a supposed 8 digit system.

Before the owners of Google were born, Yoruba and Igbo peoples had been using Odu Ifa to ask questions about various life issues and seek guidance.

Odu Ifa contains all sorts of knowledge, and it has been serving as the "Google" for Yoruba, Igbo, and other indigenous tribes for thousands of years.

Your post is pure nonsense. The binary mathematics in Ifa isn't something to be taken lightly.

If you understand it, you can get inspiration for new kinds of math and new technologies.

The mathematics influenced those that developed the foundational aspect of Google.

It's not a coincidence that binary mathematics which Ifa priests often do also forms the core of Google, which performs the same role Odu Ifa has been playing for Yoruba and Igbo peoples for ages.

Even your name has its origin in Odu Ifa, just like all words and terms in the different dialects of Yoruba language spoken today.

Na Christianity and Islam dull una brain. Yet, all the Yoruba names and terms you're using to worship your foreign orisa from Israel or Saudi, who has no form of ties with you, are from Odu Ifa, while you condemn and demonize the native orishas, who are your direct ties in your lineage.

When combined with modern science, Odu Ifa can be used to develop technologies and solve the various problems faced in this part of the world.

But religion no allow people have sense

adambeatz:
But benefits the politicians not the masses, let's say a politician sets up a proxy company suing the newly signed deal, imports weapons or manufactures weapons, armors e.t.c Do you think he will sell everything to the government, I think not, a former retired military General through a proxy setup a company the next day this bill was signed under the dicon act under the defence ministry, imagine the scenario of the likes of Colt Defense, Advanced Armament, CorporationBarrett Firearms Manufacturing but only answerable to the elite and not the masses

Naija matter tire person. No hope for the country at all. The politicians are a reflection of the people.

adambeatz:
"Home Defence Industry
Nigeria signs DICON Bill, boosts Defence Industry
The Defence Industries Corporation of Nigeria Bill, 2023, is a landmark legislation that will transform the defence sector and position Nigeria as a regional and global player in the defence industry.
by Ekene Lionel 1 month ago


President Bola Tinubu has signed the Defence Industries Corporation of Nigeria (DICON) Bill, 2023, into law, giving a new impetus to the country’s defence industry. The bill, which was sponsored by the Chairman of the House of Representatives Committee on Defence, Babajimi Benson, repeals the previous DICON Act and introduces several reforms and innovations to the corporation.

The bill empowers DICON to operate and maintain subsidiaries and ordnance factories, establish a research and development institute, provide a regulatory framework for the defence sector, and attract private capital to facilitate production and innovation. The bill also aims to make DICON more accountable, transparent, and efficient in its operations and management.

The signing of the bill comes at a time when Nigeria is facing various security challenges, such as insurgency, banditry, kidnapping, and piracy. The bill is expected to enhance the capacity and capability of the Nigerian military and other security agencies to combat these threats and protect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country."

Okay, it's for the defence industry.

adambeatz:
I'm not him tho, have you heard about the new law signed by tinubu, the DICON ACT?

Not at all. What's it about?

adambeatz:
person dey use style insult me coded shey u wan make I Insult am back, make i laff am dey go, this year no be to quarrel unnecessarily ibeg.

Abi o. I just dey read him posts dey laugh.

All the trouble no worth am jare. This life na jeje. Everyone has a relatively short time to spend on Earth, so it's best to make the best use of it and enjoy.

adambeatz:
Lolz, you can sa that, but cause of you ino go use capslock for tis thread.

You give off the same vibes as CAPSLOCKED. In all my years on Nairaland, I've never seen him make posts on this forum without using upper case throughout.

Who dem dey call Daniel Regha or Regba? This kid dey find attention desperately. Awon juju advocates, lols. I no go start a new year engaging a daft person

adambeatz:
Funny enough, I'm quite the opposite in person I'm more or a reserved person and seldom engages in talks I don't find intellectually stimulating, I also believe in leaving an impression, perhaps this is my way.

Okay, are you Capslocked doppelganger? Lols

adambeatz:
Is there some kind of rule to typing in bolded, I didn't know, I honestly love it and I'm used to it I guess

It's not a good netiqutte. It makes your post less presentable, just like lengthy posts made online without appropriate use of paragraphs to aid readability.

It doesn't give a good image about your person. However, if it's your preferred style, it's fine.

adambeatz:
Honestly I believe we deserve the leaders we get this is an eye opener to me cause I know of the tactics the northern political powers play in order to solidify their positions, I just never imagined Christians also played similar games too, the structure could have been repurposed into something worthwhile so thousands of youths can be gainfully employed, but no, they prefer spending billions on theaters to woo the masses into dropping their hard earned money. No wonder these religious leaders can't come out to speak against the ills of the government because they are in bed with them. What a wonderful arrangement between the two, I discovered something, it's like an unwritten arrangement between African leaders and foreign powers, they embezzle and get money from the foreigners while our African leaders do their best to make sure our currency never gets value, if you do a critical research, it's kind of like a balanced power play, they'll spend anyhow but it's against their rule to make moves that'll lift the nation up. Our population is on the rise and all we can think about is who has the best religion. May God save us all.

You made many valid points. But why do you like making your posts in bold?

You know people do that when they want to shout or yell at people online.

BlueRayDick:
Those who actually practise the African traditional religion will disagree with u on the bolded. Have u heard of situations where a person gets shot or stabbed and babalawo's will give instruction that no drug or injection should be administered on him lest he dies?

I've heard people say such in the past and they sound as if they really believe in it.

Of course, they'll. That's one of the issues with Isese people. They're not able to get the most out of Odu Ifa because most of them aren't using the scientific method.

They're stuck with the old, archaic ways of doing things as passed down from the forefathers; they don't want to move with the times and adopt modern science combined with Ifa.

Various aspects of Isese are archaic and outdated.

It was before I used to discuss with Isese people to abolish these aspects. This year, I won't bother myself again because they just don't understand the importance of adopting the scientific method.

They're stuck in the old ways, which are no longer relevant in the modern age.

BlueRayDick:
Similar to generic prophecies.

But I was expecting an Ifa priest to see things clearly from his divination & give the needed solution instead of beating around the bush. So what is now the essence of spending 10 years to study Ifa divination? Because the man once said in an interview that it will take at least 10 years to learn & master Ifa divination.

Ifa divinations are sometimes right and sometimes wrong. That's one of its limitations because the system is based on probability.

But it has a lot of uses and benefits.

It's better combined with modern science because the latter is lacking in certain areas, so they can complement each other.

Shamans and priests go scam dis one tire using juju as the pretext. Some people are just dense in this life. They can't help it. Lols

DissTroy:
Sport Section's most visible Isese promoter kicking against the concept of juju as an expression of Africanism is like Benjamin Hundeyin featuring in a woke campaign to defund the police.
That you can't see the contradictory stances is another proof that you aren't logical and have lost touch with reality.

Your mumu na follow come. Beliefs in juju aren't the totality of the Yoruba culture and traditions called Isese. So stupid.

And all cultures of the world have their own equivalent beliefs in juju peculiar to them. Only that the advanced cultures of the world have largely abolished many of such beliefs in the place of science, which is why they they're ahead.

You're so daft that you don't even realize it. Countless times here, I've stated the specific aspects of Isese I support and promote, and beliefs in juju aren't among.

Na dumbos like you smarter people dey use juju dey bobo. Even when I used to attend the local festivals in Nigeria, no Isese practitioners ever said such nonsense to me.

They know dumb people like you they sell such lies to.

Some people no go ever wise in this life. Common cold, stomach ache, headache, cholera all were regarded as juju and acts of the gods and goddesses in the olden days.

Today, we know better. You're so dull not to realize the same fate will soon befall your cherished beliefs in juju today as well.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
The above is in tandem with what A001 said, that Africa is home to the largest concentration of low iq & dumb people in the world. But they don't want to accept the brutal reality so they use Otem narrative as excuse 2 runaway from the argument

It's just the reality of things. That's why if you're in the science line, the best thing is to leave this continent. If not, all these juju people here and offline go use your eye see shege.

They just don't want the things they see as juju to be investigated and demystified using science. They don't want their illusions and wrong beliefs to be shattered. Lols.

Go to many parts of the country in the night and see everywhere in darkness. That's what beliefs in juju does to a people.

Na me go dey engage a moro.n in a new year. No, lols. Keep believing in your juju. Mumuni, lols, see stone-age mentality in the 21st century. The nonsense dey show in Nollywood movies don wreck this one's brain. Empty brain

Ab0bii:
If you see anything that you will never understand. Just call it unexplained science and the matter will be settled.



Nonsense and unexplained science

For some of the most highly accomplished scientists in history, unexplained science was the jackpot that helped them to launch their career and become a giant in the field.

When you see mysterious events around and are in the science line, you develop the science (physical mechanism) for it, not call it juju or ascribe the act of nature to your god or deity. It's a stone-age mentality.

Bombblacks:
The phones we are enjoying now was invented and developed by the whites, the Aeroplanes and cars we enjoy was developed by the whites, computers, Vaccines etc. Nearly all inventions that has developed the world to the point we are today was invented by the whites/ Europeans. Africa is the only continent that consmes with nothing to show for it.

Yes, that's what believing in juju, in deities, doing one ritual or the other for the gods and goddesses do to a region. Such beliefs and practices don't allow science to develop in a place. They're an unfriendly environment for scientists to thrive, and hence, many brilliant African scientists have left and keep on leaving the continent for better climes.

If they don't leave, Africa will kill their dreams and talent.

Some weeks ago, I posted the image below, showing a basis of imaginary octonions (Cayley's numbers), which are obtained via Cayley-Dickson construction from the basis (the usual i, j, k) of the imaginary quaternions.

Now, this guy is expecting me to break down this complex mathematics here, which many will even as nonsense.

Back in the 19th century when British mathematician Authur Cayley formulated octonions, which are called Cayley's numbers (special numbers) in his honor, he stated these numbers were describing the spiritual (supernatural) dimensions.

Not these physical dimensions (the earthly realm) we see with the naked eye, but another realm. Some things called juju are manifestations of such higher-dimensional interactions with the physical dimensions.

All this has its own Physics, but it's quite mind-mending and the mathematics is very hard and complex. Still, it's all physical, not spiritual.

Bombblacks:
One question. Has an African ever invented something that's is currently adopted and used worldwide. No I don't mean NASA coping Talking drums and those other bullshits. I don't mean black American as well. An African man in Africa who invented something that the world is currently using.

It will be difficult to find such in this environment. The African environment doesn't allow such people to thrive because of beliefs in juju and the likes.

So, such can't be based on the African continent, but as an African based abroad.

DissTroy:
Me: I don't believe in its efficacy on me, but they do certain things science hasn't been able to explain.

Him: I have the explanations. Binary calculations, lost knowledge, odu ifa. You're ignorant.

Me: Alright. What binary calculations? 0s and 1s?

Him: No! You are ignorant! Don't ask me. You won't understand. You can't understand. I spent millions to study the lost knowledge. It's science.

Me: Alright. Explain.

Him: None of you can understand (even when he hasn't met anyone here in person or had personal interactions with any). It's complex science you can never understand. You are all ignorant! I'm too busy writing the complex calculations. Don't disturb me.

Any concept you can't explain depicts ignorance of the subject matter. You know what's worse than ignorance? Loudmouthed whataboutism to cover up your knowledge vacuum.

Typing trash all about. The physical mechanism underlying your juju has been explained already using the interactions of exotic matter/energy with ordinary matter and backed with examples such as Cayley's numbers, Hamiltonian mathematical formalism.

Read about those and stop embarrassing yourself in public. I've written papers and a comprehensive book on those feats you call juju, and I developed new physics and math for them.

But it's highly valuable knowledge, not free. Stone-age reasoning in the 21st century.

If you see any event or happening in your surroundings that can't be explained by any of the current scientific theories, models, laws, or principles, the best step to take if you're in the science line is to develop the science (the physical mechanism) for that thing instead of calling it juju or supernatural.

In the physical realms, supernatural phenomena and events don't exist; it's a universal principle. Things you call supernatural or juju today will soon be demystified by scientists, and they will become ordinary.

But if such scientists can come from Africa, it'll benefit us all a lot as a people.

DissTroy:
LOL. This is typical you being evasive. Existential questions aren't limited to any field. And it's pretty presumptuous of you to posit that the folks here aren't scientifically-inclined because of their belief system.

Adeboye has a PhD in Mathematics - a professorship actually, which you haven't attained . One of the guys here majored in Mathematics. There are engineers on this board. Data scientists and techies too whose life work revolves around science and its applicable concepts. But somehow you assume you know better than them.


When in fact, the real truth is, you don't have the explanations for everything. While some of us can humbly admit it - there's no shame in admitting you have no answer for every poser in life, you'd rather ride on your fantasy horse into egoland.

Lols, the explanation I gave you is plain and simple enough and has already stated the physical mechanism underlying those feats you call juju. But you expect me to type a treatise or dissertation on the topic as if Nairaland is a journal.

As I stated before, everyone is not as ignorant as you're when it comes to certain issues in life. The problem or silly assumption you've is you think there are some things scientists can't explain, and you call such juju, supernatural.

But you didn't check the history books and see that the same was said in the past about many things you see as ordinary today, which people regarded as juju in the past.

If scientists can't explain such phenomena now, their objective explanation won't remain hidden for long.

So, I should be giving you highly valuable knowledge, which I invested lots of money, effort, time and years of research to get for free here on Nairaland. You must be joking.

adambeatz:
Lol, bro this is why it's important to seek knowledge above all else, I expected this guy to go online and using key points you've dropped to do his own research and then get back to you but naaaah he decides to challenge without research.

To further add to your point, have people ever wondered why and how antenna is made, take a look at your hair, how is nuclear energy been made, take a look at your liver, how is the pastors imams,satanists, and native doctors able to control the spiritual take a look at your pineal gland. Do you know the Morse code was created from listening to the African talking drum.

It's such a wonder that the people with the most abundant gift(pineal gland which produces melanin) from the creator happen to be the most stupid of all races caring for noting more than materialism and ignorance. They don't know that if they can decalcify their pineal gland and raise their vibrations the few who hold the power would be forced to surrender because that which was hidden everyone has a good understanding of it hence no need to lord and master over any one. The white people hold a Conference every year to study we melanated people without inviting any melanin nation to partake. Are you guys aware melanin is used in making the chips of super computers. Are people aware there are 3 kinds of people, people who don't dream, people who dream and see their dreams in black and white and people who dream in colors. I could go on and on but only a few would really grasp what I'm saying.....

About the talking drum aspect, NASA has various programs for developing technologies and systems by learning from natural history and mimicking elements of nature.

Oyinbo people always get inspiration from African practices in their research projects, but beliefs in juju are a serious bane for people in this part of the world.

DissTroy:
Your postulations are all seemingly thought-provoking, but wouldn't the easier explanation have been you explaining in detail the scientific phenomena and concepts behind causing a shallow still pond begin to fast-whirl at the center in a vortex when it isn't windy and making it stop when they choose to?

That's the explanation we'd like to read from you since you have all the answers for these things.

I've already explained the underlying science briefly. If I go deeper, you and your ilk won't understand it since you're not in that line. So, there's no point.

Nairaland isn't a scientific community where person go dey post equations and mathematical models to explain things.

Ab0bii:
See as you make me just de laugh.

Them larry use ifa mathematics to launch google is an outright falsehood. Do you have any proof to back this up?

The proof is already in the post. Learn binary mathematics first. That's the issue you've. You don't understand binary mathematics and how it underlies Ifa and the programming (coding) underlying Google.

When people say Oyinbo people used black slaves to develop the West in the slavery and colonial era, it's a fact, not something made up.

Ab0bii:
So Larry and page come to yoruba land and steak the mathematics behind ifa to launch Google? Or did they send someone to steal it and give them? I have learnt something new today. Thanks




BTW I'm waiting to see your big technology using the ifa practice since you know the mathematics behind it.

Thanks for the information you taught me.

Many artefacts and knowledge were stolen from Nigeria and other parts of Africa by the whites during the colonial and slavery era.

Those captured as slaves and transported to the West took the knowledge of Ifa with them abroad, and some of this knowledge influenced the philosophy and thinking of the whites, who applied them to develop technologies.

Oracle in computer programming, Google, and the likes have their roots in Ifa (oracle).

Ab0bii:
Like I said, I'm waiting for you to develop one big technology with ifa since you know the mathematics behind it

You go wait forever if you think I'd say such here. The Google you're using was developed using Binary Mathematics of Odu Ifa. "Odu" itself is the Yoruba word for "code". People just don't call Google Ifa for nothing.

The mathematics underlying computer programming as a whole is binary mathematics, which has been in Odu Ifa for ages.

How would Ifa people know that when they think Ifa is juju?

Ab0bii:
Oga answer me. I no Sabi anything true true so just teach me once and I will appreciate.

Which country use ifa to develop any big technology?

Since you know the mathematics behind ifa, what have you use it to develop? Or should we wait for something hooge?

Already answered in my past post.