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joshboo:
Jrue still dey ok, but Middleton that was touted as batman is the most annoying and inconsistent player the game has ever seen. The bucks are that team though, they'll play nonsense and still scrap it through cos they have Giannis.

They always start slowly. And Giannis has to carry the load. They shoot too many shots to be that inefficient. They are lucky Demar DeRozan was even worse. 6 of 25. (Told y'all DeRozan get as e be)

Jrue and Middleton are 8/26. That's why the Bulls are back in the game. The Bucks were downtooling and always playing down to the opposition in the regular season. I see they have not stopped

donlittle25:
Tony Parker could use angles very well and had great finishing around the rim. The guy that was the leading scorer in the paint in a season when we had big men ready to knock you down is the one Trae Young has more tools than?

I've heard all types today bro. And I like Trae but really the core of his game is 3pt spamming. This ninja takes 8 to 9 3pters a game and he's a 31% shooter.

Middleton and Holiday have started again. They will be calling Big 3 in the future now and people will be adding them in the discussion

benji93:
For clutch, that is not an argument you can win. Being Clutch in a few games in a finals is enough to label you clutch now and forever. But you self no dey try your bar is quite high. You no find anybody else but MJ? I suppose joining the GSW bus to two championships and two finals MVPs, and being one toe away from another finals MVP is enough to call you the best player in the world.
I mean they are already considering KD and Curry getting into top ten, over somebody like Hakeem. Unbelievable. What else can you not expect?

When it comes to playoff basketball you cannot run away from needing to be clutch. Steph is not clutch that is why they couldn't put away Lebron and Cleveland. It took a 3pt from Ray Allen to win Game 6 and keep the Heat alive, it took a clutch shot from Lebron in game 6 to win the series for the Heat

I'm just trying to share for you how people go on about shooting, how KD is a 7 ft monster, how Steph is the greatest shooter ever but when the game gets really tight we no dey see am so what gives?

No way KD and Curry fit dey my top ten sha. Certainly not over Hakeem

My top 10 would be
Jordan
Lebron
Kareem
Magic
Kobe
Duncan
Shaq
Bird
Hakeem
Russell (he would be higher but that era mehnnnn. Na only 6-8 teams dey league)

Khanben:
I would have understand the arguably, if you had picked say 2010, but 2007 come on. Does defense no longer count or is scoring and passing the only metric that matters

What are you on about? Does Trae Young play defense? Does Steph play defense? Tony Parker was their most consistent player from that stretch. 07 to 14 he was either best or second best and no lower than that

Khanben:
The clutch stat you just mentioned does not necessarily mean anything. If you are blowing out people, which the 2017 GSW was doing, you do not necessarily have the opportunities to take clutch shots.

What are you talking about? Are you going to blow out every opponent you face? Weren't they almost losing to Brick Ross before CP3's hammy gave way and historically calamitous shooting from 3 was the final coup de grace?

Khanben:
So from 2007 Parker was the best player on the spurs, . Okay, no wonder

Thank God I said arguably since you like pretending you cannot read. But the argument could definitely be had. He was their leading scorer and passer

benji93:
It's easy to become the best player when you play alongside another great all-time player. Last year the mantra was 'he was all alone'. Good excuse. Well, Kyrie is back. And we have been told he can play at home now. So the supposed best player must carry his team home. I mean everybody keeps reminding us that he was a toe away from getting them there last season, and i suppose the greatness of Kyrie can do better than one small toe. . I won't be surprised if that bad man dropped 50 in the next game though.

He's a great player no doubt but best player in the world on what grounds?? That was the part that always grated on my nerves. This man had not won a MVP in years, no finals MVP since 2018. What was the metrics by which he was being given that accolade. That's the thing about aesthetics and narratives.

Was watching a debate the other day when they were talking about how the KD Warriors were the best team in history and how Steph and KD are unbeatable and what not. Did you know MJ has 9 buzzer beaters and Steph, Klay, KD combined have 4. These are people that we constantly refer to as clutch but these guys are not clutch at all

This should have been the perfect game for the Nets to steal and put the Celtics under immense pressure. Instead a morale killing defeat was the outcome. I hope it's a lengthy series but this was really a big miss for Brooklyn

Khanben:
That's the problem with people, we are talking about Trea young and Parker through the first 4 years of their nba career, not the Parker that won finals MVP. He is talking as if Trea young as Plataeued after just his 4th year in the league. by their 4th year, Parker even Steph were not as good as Trae is already right now

Trae is only playing in a bigger role. He is not in a system so comparing them is asinine but even if you insist the only thing we know is Trae Young is spamming more 3s than Tony Parker did

Khanben:
Prime Heatles lost to a team that played team basketball. No one player was the linchpin of their success. That Spurs team was and still is the only team that ever played that Noone was a primary forum. Parker was a great player, but in his 4th year in the league, this version of trea Young was far better that him and that is a fact

Even on a team basketball setup there is always the head of the snake, that head was Tony Parker so stop dropping generic statements. Tony Parker was the primary scorer and facilitator on that team and had since 2007 been arguably their best player

This version of Trae Young is only a better 3 point shot spammer. The only thing we have established is that he takes 6 more 3pt attempts and attempts 8 more shots per game than Parker did

aliondo:
This is blasphemy i.e..comparing Parker and Trae young...Parker was a real nuisance....Kyrie has a similar way of driving to the basket like Tony...That sleek movement...

If he said Kyrie had a bigger bag than Tony Parker I still grudgingly hear that one but Trae Young?? Trae friggin Young any body who followed that Spurs dynasty knows Tony Parker was a problem and far more difficult to guard than Trae Young

Jaayson Tatum is that dude..

Tomorrow Stephen A, Skip, Marcellus and all these American pundits will keep repeating this KD is the best player in the world cap

Khanben:
Numbers, so you are one of those that never watched the players, go pull out stats sheet and say Numbers don't back it up.
Parkers one knock was always that he could shoot, the stats you are bringing up also shows that Shaq could shoot.

Lmaoo. Go to any forum or any place where knowledgeable hoop fans are gathered and claim Trae Young has more tools than Tony Parker let's see if they won't laugh you out of the vicinity

Go and ask Prime Lebron and the Heatles what their eyes saw from Tony Parker's hand. You don't know how goofy you even sound right now

What is the correlation between Shaq and my post? Are you inebriated or something?

The numbers back everything I said, which was Trae Young is a 3pt spammer.

The ninja you claim can shoot from anywhere is a 31% shooter from 3. That is abysmal for someone you claim has an extended toolbox

Kyrie is burning these niggas naked

This Celtics offense don knock like jalopy

Khanben:
Oga till Parker retired his jumper was suspect, his scoring ability was getting to the basket and that patented tear drop floater that he mastered from the paint. There is a reason he led the league in multiple years in points scored in the paint among guards.
Trae can already, score at the basket, he has a floater, he can shoot the 3 from anywhere, so tell me again what Tony had that he does not currently have.

Alaye all you're mentioning is aesthetics. The numbers do not back a single thing you have said there.

Anybody that ever watched Prime Tony Parker knows he was a much harder guy to stop than Trae Young

He can shoot the 3 from anywhere yen yen yen but is he remotely effective at it? You people conflate shot spamming for a skillset. 31% from 3 na him you no wan make we hear word

Grandpa Al Horford is bullying Brooklyn in the paint. Their lack of size is shocking

Khanben:
Oga, I remember watching kobe airballing a jumper. Did anybody kill him, these days a young player does 1 simple mistake he is railroaded as if he killed somebody.
As for the Simmons, jkidd could not shoot at all until after at least 10-12 years in the league and he was fine.
That is why I will always respect the older IT, he always talks about the organic development of a player and how it takes time before a player becomes the finished product.
Trae right now is already has more tools in his bag than Tony Parker did all through his career and he is just in him 4th year.

What are you talking about? Who is talking about missing shots? Anybody can miss shots! We are talking about not having counters to what the opposing defense is showing you.

Even after telling you I was speaking in generic terms you still chose to personalize it talking about IT. How is this relevant to anything? What have you seen from Ben Simmons and James Harden that tells you their game will change

Jason Kidd was not an elite shooter not that he didn't shoot at all so stop capping like internet no dey to easily debunk your claims

Imagine claiming Trae Young has more tools in his bag than Tony Parker. You people don't know more than spamming 3 pt shots. To una eye that is what constitutes tools. I'm sure you were one of those siding with James Harden that he had more bag than Giannis.
Just this statement alone makes me question your entire knowledge of the game

Khanben:
This is the issue I have with people like you, we all know how long it too the likes of Kobe, tmac, AI, grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Tony Parker, Jkidd etc to develop an all round game. Trea is just in his 4th season, some of the guys I listed above took almost a decade to get a jumper or fill up the holes in their games. so please stop this using every opportunity to bash these young guys. You keep making it sound like all the great players walked into the league as 3 level scorers and they did not work on anything year after year.

Why are you raging like a bull in a China shop. I was not referring to just Trae. I'm saying there are several players in this era that sit on that table. No be person be Harden? No be person be Ben Simmons?

Roland17:
You are right on the money and this is with some soft calls oh. I would add that the Hawks lucked their way through the play-in tournament by not playing any kind of defense and now, it has caught up to them badly because this Miami defense is stifling the life out of Trae and the Hawks.

Barring catastrophic injuries this should be a quick series. Miami has more shooters so they are better at what Trae does best. I struggle to see Atlanta winning more than a game

Roland17:
Trae needs to develop a jumper, I don't mean a floater, a real jumper around the bucket. The Heat are trapping Trae very high up which is forcing him to give up the ball and more importantly, it blocks his driving lane to even attempt his floaters.

That is why I laugh each time I hear this more skilled bants. They just spam a boatload of 3's and when it's not falling no plan B. That's why the shooting numbers are either amazing or look like tour dates. No happy middle ground

Roland17:
It will be one of the biggest travesties in the history of modern basketball if Jokic doesn't get a chance to play in the finals of the NBA playoffs. He becomes an UFA in 2023, he has chosen to stay silent until after the playoffs this season. He can sign the Supermax in the summer or leave. It would be interesting to see what he does because for such a talented superstar who is already 27, he is being sold short at Denver.

Really nothing he can do. His two best options are hurt. That would be like Embiid missing Maxey and Harden

Provided Murray makes a full recovery Denver is still the smart play

Khanben:
Oga, all that is just excuses. Kyrie personally decided not to play this season, nobody forced him to sit out. When it's all said and done the Lakers have a chip to show for the all in move, while the Nets and the Clippers have nothing to show for theirs

A Disney pandemic chip that even Lakers fans and non Bronsexuals no too rate

Khanben:
Both morant and Lamelo, still need learn how to play winning basketball. I liken their case to be like that of Booker before Monty and CP3 showed him the winning template and we can all see how he has run with it.
As a general observation, some of these organizations are not doing their young franchise cornerstones any favors. Look at the Grizzlies, Twolves and the Hornets and you will observe symptoms of the same issues.

The truth is very few teams have true old school points that can run the offense. What you have is combo guards who basically play the point nominally and due to size.

You can see the influence of CP3 and Jrue Holiday on their respective teams, Jrue is not CP3 level for instance but he's very much been an upgrade on Bledsoe. Giannis is handling the ball less and the WALL has been rendered ineffective against him

Disney ring

Khanben:
Baba, the KD and Kyrie project for the Nets is in its 3rd year. That's the fact, whether they've played together or not is not the issue as far as I know they've been on the payroll for 3 years and have been cashing them checks for those 3 years.
You are also claiming 3 years for the Lakers even thought most of those 108 appearances happened in the year they won the chip together and the other 2 seasons have been riddled with injuries for both AD and Lebron.

Don't be dubious. KD missed the entire season and Kyrie missed half of it. Adding the bubble season is dubious and dishonest. Same way adding Kawhi for the Clippers this season is dishonest. They did not play at all so it cannot possibly count

Lebron and AD - 108 games
KD and Kyrie - 44 games
Harden, KD and Kyrie - 16 games

There is not a season Lebron and AD did not play at least 20 games together. Same cannot be said for any other duo so your argument is inaccurate

Thanos:
Bro! Be factual. Ja sold this game. Is he an all star? Yes! Is he a highlight reel? Yes! But man, his decision making was piss poor in this game and how he managed to get 30+ points (alas, free throws) was beyond me. He is not a point guard in the sense of the word, someone that orchestrates and offence. He is more in the mould of Westbrook and we know the result of having your point guard playing in that manner.

Good that you can observe this. This is also what Lamelo is morphing into at this rate and is doing it worse than Morant so I'm surprised you missed it

Roland17:
Poor Jokic, the man is literarily carrying the Nuggets all by himself on both ends of the court. I have seen enough to award him my MVP for the regular season.

The man is surrounded by mediocrity. If you watched the box score for example you would think Will Barton had a good game but he was atrocious

Khanben:
The bottom-line is in the 3 years since three teams Lakers, Clippers and Nets got their big duo together. One team has a chip and as for the other 2, the Clippers are 3 and done, while the Nets will have to go through 3 top teams to even get the chance of competing for a chip. People like you can shout fugazi all you want but the Lakers have a championship to show for their all in moves while the other have none.

Why are you including 3 years when Kyrie and KD have only played in 2.

Lakers are the only team that have spent 3 years together. Are supposedly the better duo and a pandemic flavored chip is all they have to show for it. The likes of Brooklyn can bring up injury excuse, Not the Lakers

Lebron and AD - 108 games
KD and Kyrie - 44 games
Harden, KD and Kyrie - 16 games

Kawhi and PG have played 80 games together. For only two seasons not 3 like you erroneously claim.

Thanos:
lamelo not a natural scorer? Bruh! You sabi pass this an. That he is more 'creative' in his style of play does not take away from the fact that the man can but the ball in the hoop. It's more a less a matter of time before he figures out how t balance his playmaking with scoring, but don't say he chuks the ball when edwards sef worse pass am in that regard

Bro. I have been pro Lamelo and pushed for him to win ROY contrary to popular opinion that Edwards should have won it. I call it as I see it and I'm telling you in all sincerity that Lamelo is not a natural scorer, he can score yes but Lamelo taking the most FG for your team is not a winning formula

Anthony Edwards is a scorer, maybe not efficient but he can improve. Lamelo's teams will get better when he keys in on being a true pass first PG a la Chris Paul. He's featured in two play in games. His shooting percentage? 28% If you're the PG taking that many shots on an inefficient clip your team does not have a prayer