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Greatihex:
man city hit 98 points last season with just liverpool as competition and pool get up with them. what do you think would have happened if the league last season had 2 other liverpools at that level?

you just making it sound like Angels are playing for liverpool and that whatever level the other teams would have been at; liverpool will still top everyone with 22 points.

No

How many seasons have we ever had two teams playing at such high level? We are talking of a season where the second placed team would have won the title in all but two seasons in England history so what do you mean by two other Liverpools at that level?

It is not possible for 3 teams to produce that kind of form over the course of a season

At this point you will be forgiven for thinking angels played for them. Stop fixating on the point for the umpteenth time and realize that there is no form any of the contenders would be on that would be good enough

raumdeuter:
Liverpool is unbeaten they are 25-1-0 They only have that ridiculous stats because they are playing weak opponents in the league

That is the point

I honestly don't buy that argument. This time last season they had only lost one game narrowly.

They have gotten better and the league at its strongest has no bearing on the total points Liverpool would have amassed. If it were merely about the league being weak then Liverpool could still have dropped more points. A weak league does not prevent the odd freak result from happening

Greatihex:
for your information, I respect klopp a lot. In fact, for me, he is the best manager.
Liverpool is a great team, but the tally they have this season is help by the weaker competition.

There is no competition that would have kept up with Liverpool. None

I don't think we should water down their feats

raumdeuter:
A team can be the best and still have easier opponents

Usain Bolt can be the best and still face a weak field, they are not mutually exclusive

Liverpool would probably be topping most league this season but I doubt they will have a 25popints advantage over any league this season

Even in previous seasons in the EPL I doubt this would happen

So what really is the gripe? Is it the points gap?

If it is then you guys are facing the wrong issue, the emphasis should be on the form of Liverpool and not the perceived failures of the other teams.

This is not a scenario where the rivals would be challenging if they were at their best. Even at their best they would still all be behind Liverpool by some margins. So it doesn't matter at all

What we should be praising is Liverpool's form

raumdeuter:
The same metric EPL fans used to tag a league farmers league is what I am using

When Spain was dominating the entire CL and Europa that didn't stop EPL fans from calling it a farmers league

I am giving Liverpool their credit but putting in context that their lead wont be this much if other teams were decent

Let me ask, WIll Liverpool be topping by 25 points if other teams are not having a horrible season?

Well I didn't agree then so why should I tow that line now?

If you agree that you don't reason like the average EPL fan then why use the same metric they use instead of just acknowledging the team in question is just the best at that point in time

When teams in their best season in history would have still been 7-15 points behind this Liverpool then why are we fixated on any season they are having now when we have already established that even their best will not be good enough

raumdeuter:
The same metric they used to judge other leagues is what we are using to judge them. Bayern and Dortmund made the CL finals, they called it a weak league because of the points gap. Now why shouldnt we do the same for EPL?

I won't stoop to that level. I know better

raumdeuter:
I am talking about the points reality. The form of the league rivals

Their form is useless. They are literally facing Thanos after he got all 6 infinity stones

raumdeuter:
Germany Italy and even Spain were called farmers league by the same EPL fans fighting tooth and nail when we call the EPL a farmers league even when those leagues were doing well in the CL


A league with a a 25 points gap can only be a farmers league following the EPL fans logic. How can a league be won by December

Doesn't mean we have to stoop to their level and not give credit where it's due

raumdeuter:
This time 2018 it was a 13 points gap, right now its 25points

7points gap is still a race, Last January there was a 7points gap and it was still a race, this is 25points gap

Because Liverpool has 76 points not 69. In 2018 the gap would have been 20 points

7 points gap is only possible if City match a feat they had only achieved once in their 100+ year history. You're essentially banking on a 110/1 odds just to be behind by 7 points. That's not realistic

raumdeuter:
Winning the league is different from winning with 25points winning a 100m photo finish is different from winning by 25yards

Last season City won the league but there was a challenge all through. At this point even in the 100points season, City was leading by 13points Liverpool is about double that

It wasn't photo finish in 2018 was it?

The reason it is double that is because this Liverpool would have been 7 points ahead of that City as well

raumdeuter:
When Bayern and Dortmund played the CL final, did that stop the cries of farmers league? So why stop now? when the gap between 1st and 2nd in the same league is 25

You can't call a league a farmer's league if it's teams are doing well in Europe. Points gap is points gap. We have seen Milan win the CL despite being 25 points behind their league winner. Should we call CL farmer's league?

raumdeuter:
Liverpool being 7points ahead of rival is different from being 25 points ahead. This time last seaosn Liverpool was 3 points ahead and no one called it a farmers league because there was a race

That is hypothetically speaking. You're assuming City would match their highest points haul ever just for there to be a semblance of a race

Champions League is the determinant of whether a league is farmer's league or not. Portuguese and Turkish league for example is a farmer's league no matter how tight the title race is

raumdeuter:
7 points gap is not 25points gap. 7 points still suggest that they are facing a challenge locally, unlike now where Liverpool can lose the next 8 games and still be topping the league

If their rivals are not having historic lows we might agree, but all 5 teams are all having their worst seasons in recent years

Hypothetically. You are hypothetically assuming City is at its best form.

If City at its best form are still some distance behind Liverpool then what does it matter if all the teams were not having their best seasons.

Like the Rock says. It doesn't matter what season City, Spurs or Chelsea have.

They would still be behind and unable to challenge for the title

Roland17:
Bro has become really effeminate and this is buttressed by his sense of dressing and speaking. The pressure to conform and be liked by the liberal press since his son is gay has consumed him.
#RIP24

My hope is that he's really about that life and isn't bending his life principles and morality and code just to appease his missus and the Lynch mob alphabet soup crew.

I always say even to people I know. Don't conform if that's not you. If you're about that life then it's perfectly ok but if you don't agree with it then don't change your persona and be doing allyship for what you know you don't believe in deep down. You will eventually get sussed out

SmooshCHN:
So there's still a chance she doesn't leave?
He literally has nothing to worry about since he's retired.

Lmaoooo omo if woman don tire. Nothing wey you fit do oh.

From the ridiculous judging in the all-star game to the Zaya/Zion thing. Na him family matter sha so it's not our place to speak

raumdeuter:
Liverpool will win the league is different from Liverpool winning unchallenged where they have 25 wins out of 26. Are they playing amateurs?
Citeh won the league last season and it was a battle all through
Its just February and Liverpool needs just 5 wins out of their last 12 games to seal the title if their rivals win the rest
Liverpool senior team only failed to win 4 times this season and 3 of those were when they played 7 games outside EPL

There is no season Liverpool will not win the league unchallenged based on this form.

Are they playing amateurs? Was Pep playing amateurs when they won the league with 19pts?

When Pep sealed the title at the earliest time in League history nobody said the league was not competitive. When Mourinho did it in 05 conceding just 15 goals and finishing almost 15 points ahead nobody said the league was uncompetitive

UCL is tougher than EPL. We all know this. Even Pep can vouch

raumdeuter:
When they were calling other leagues weak did they consider 3rd to 14th? They will call French league weak despite that 3rd to 13th in french league in france is Separated by 10 points

So you want us to say
EPL 3rd - EPL 14th gap = 20points competitive league
France 3rd - France 13th = 8 points Farmers league

French League is not producing 7 teams in the knockout stage of competition

raumdeuter:
Its easy look at the point haul this season compare to that Pep 100points season
Chelsea and Spurs 9 points better than this season, Man Utd was 18points better than this season, Arsenal was 11 points better than this season

Liverpool's haul dwarfs that of Pep even in his record season. Chelsea and Spurs will still be 25 points behind

Arsenal almost 30 points behind. Makes no difference

raumdeuter:
7 points difference is not the same as 25 points difference. Its what the numbers say
When City completed the domestic treble that was Liverpools best point haul season EVER. Can you say this season was anyones aside the winners best season even in the past 4 seasons never mind best season ever

That is the point. City's best season in their league would still leave them 7 points behind Liverpool. Their best performance of all time ohh.

Liverpool scored their best point ever and won the CL then came the next year and topped that. The point is nobody's best in the history of English football would have produced a challenge for Liverpool. City would have needed to match their best record in 100 years just to be within single digits of Liverpool. This speaks more about Liverpool than the league

Greatihex:
no.
When Liverpool made their first final, they barely finished in top 4

And since then nko? The team was building and getting stronger. Instead of acknowledging this team has probably hit his peak and the dominance is what is being manifested you guys are playa hating

raumdeuter:
Below are the EPL top teams league points haul after Matchday 26 for the past 4 seasons

City 51, 62, 69, 53
Chelsea 41, 50, 50, 63
Man utd 38, 51, 56, 49
Arsenal 34, 50, 45, 53,
Spurs 40, 60, 49, 53

That season City won with 100points

At this point that season Chelsea and Spurs 9 points better than this season, Man Utd was 18points better than this season, Arsenal was 11 points better than this season and Spurs was 9 Points better than this season

So the season CIty won the league with 100points Chelsea Spurs Arsenal and United never got to this low point

There is no team that will not be at least 15 points behind Liverpool so we are essentially splitting hairs.

City's highest peak still falls below what we are seeing from Liverpool this season is the argument. Whether the league is weak or strong how does that affect the fact that Liverpool would still win at a canter

raumdeuter:
Below are the EPL top teams league points haul after Matchday 26 for the past 4 seasons

City 51, 62, 69, 53
Chelsea 41, 50, 50, 63
Man utd 38, 51, 56, 49
Arsenal 34, 50, 45, 53,
Spurs 40, 60, 49, 53

Did you notice the trend? This season is the worst for ALL the teams in the last 4 seasons which means ALL the regular contenders are having the poorest season compared to their recent past

Yet we are arguing against Facts and numbers that Liverpool is not facing a weak league

A40, patrickmuf eph12 melvyn11 nihilistjnr how can you look at these numbers below and still say the EPL THIS SEASON is not weak

On the flip side like nihilistjnr pointed out we can also say overall that the league has been tighter and more competitive. If we look at the gap from 3rd to 14th they are almost the same.

Now if you insist the league was competitive in 2017/2018 when City finished 19 pts ahead of United in second and 25 points ahead of Pool in third then why is the league suddenly weak now?

You can see clearly even from your list that no team even at the peak of their strengths would be less than 7 points behind Liverpool.

The league was not weak when City completed domestic treble, but it's weak now that Liverpool are dominating. I don't like partia

Greatihex:
no doubt about the bolded. But, not with this point margin. Unless, the league is competitively weak as what is obtainable now in the epl

Was the league weak when City won with 19pts ahead of United? Let's know how long the EPL has been weak

Greatihex:
you are missing something. If the other teams were not struggling, pool would have been able to achieve this number that you are using to argue for them.

This una bad belle too much. Last season were these teams struggling when they lost just 1 match?

Were they struggling when City won 18 in a row? Why didn't other teams match that record?

Were teams struggling when City won the league with 100pts

donlittle25:
him wife lol. She they Hollywood

He needs to tighten up. Nothing worse than bending backwards for a woman that might still leave you one day

People are actually pretending they don't know the CL is a tougher competition than the league just to push agenda. Lol nothing Sansa no go see for Winterfell

SmooshCHN:
Dwayne Wade gave this a 9

Dwyane Wade been moving weird lately. Don't know what the issue is

Godx:
You are just dragging for argument sakes. Liverpool league tally this season is not a true reflection of the team ability or quality but rather of how garbage the league is. The contrast between their European performances and domestic this season is a proof of that.You can go on turning Amala if you like but I am done. So Wilder and fury next week, who are you rooting for?

You are actually dragging out of bad belle and pure beef for Klopp.

Expecting Liverpool to match what they have done in an obviously tougher competition where they face higher quality opposition is unreasonable

How do I know? Because despite all your grammar you have not shown me one team that has done so.

I have no dog in this fight. I hope they labor to another draw

airmark:
You must sha deactivate as promised if your almighty Bayern fail to put 5 against Chelsea.

You better call Seun and stop making mpotu for my ear

Godx:
They are basically having a Leicester season. Winning the league In a year every other top team are in shambles. That what I told a40 before the match even started. Liverpool league campaign up on till now does not reflect their true quality of a team or how good they are. They have a 96% win ratio in the league and 57% win ratio in Europe.

When you finish with this long epistle come and show me the team that has gone unbeaten in Europe and in their respective league in the last 40 years

airmark:
We will call you later.
https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/trlrky.gif

Ok now. Wande Coal

Swissh:
Please I need you guys to smash this Shekpites so much

I agree we have to

kendrick93:
Leicester finished on 84 points, this lfc team in on course to smash over a 100 points...
Leicester had a one off season, this Liverpool team are cl holders, 97 points last season
How is the same thing?

Lool leave him make e dey yarn opaks

airmark:
You said you would deactivate. Chic2pimp recorded it, we on.

Who is we? Abi which kin French you dey speak. Come deactivate me now.

Reggie Jackson heading to the Clippers. Be like this Beverley injury serious small


Kyrie out indefinitely. Nets don enter one chance

raumdeuter:
Which season did Pep go unbeaten in the league? pep was losing in the league and in Europe

Ehn but he won the league with 100 points and then won it with 96 or 97 points. Why couldn't he get past quarterfinal in Europe??

Or is it only Klopp that must go unbeaten in all competitions

raumdeuter:
I expect them to carry their form in a strong league to the CL.
Rather they are winning everyone in the strong league even with 10% effort but not finding it that easy vs European teams

Why did Pep not carry his strong form to Europe where they were beating him like step child?

There is a universal agreement that CL is a tougher competition than the league so expecting them to coast in Europe is unfair and unrealistic.

raumdeuter:
Pep lost in the league and in Europe. Klopp in roasting the league but chopping small small in EUrope

Do you expect Klopp not to lose at all this season?

Nobody has shown me the team that went unbeaten both in Europe and their respective league. Even if na Serbian and Romanian league