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Bron is even hitting jumpers. I'm sorry guys Cavs probably win this one

Abysmal showing by Curry. He needs to do better

TRendlona:
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I know European countries are d best in the world but south American teams are dominating d top 5 ranking ATM
Wat m tryna tell u is that u shudnt underate them that much

I'm not. Just trying to let you know that the Euros are definitely of a higher quality. Rankings have nothing to do with tournament performance

dmcdad:
Alright. I implore everyone here to not argue with this mister any longer.

Make una leave am abeg. Jstbeinhonest, TRendlona take note.

There is absolutely no point!

Are you FIFA or UEFA? Why not let people exercise their free will. I was on my own jeje when I was asked to come and declare the better full back between Alves and Lahm

Did you expect me to go with Alves?

Dadehmola:
As regards WC qualification, which one difficult pass :

The intense Round Robin format in South America where most Teams dread trips to Bolivia and co...

The Qualifiers in Europe where the likes of England get to play Estonia & San Marino Island?

You have 10 teams playing for 5 places. It is gruelling for the sheer number of matches played shikena. Every team has almost 50% chance of qualifying. That is still a very high number

These are three sample groups from Europe for the next World Cup

Wales
Austria
Serbia
Ireland

Netherlands
France
Sweden
Bulgaria

Croatia
Iceland
Ukraine
Turkey

Only 1 team is guaranteed qualification. The second has to go through a playoff. You cannot be armed with this information and tell me the South American route is tougher

SIRcumalot:
already made my point before the 5/47 bit.
point is that clutchness doesn't really matter at the end of the day you want best shooter to shoot not your best player.

No you want your Best player. You think M.J would want Kerr taking the shot with the game on the line?

SmooshCHN:
Cavs fans be like The refs are not healthy

They are blaming them already you no trust them

dmcdad:
I no wan put mouth for this your discourse, but walai, you dey fall hand oooo.

You don't judge football like that.

Answer this simple question... Which is the better team; England or Ecuador?

Now tell me in all sincerity, which of them would be easier for Brazil to beat?

Waiting...

How do you judge football?

Are you trying to use the 0-0 draw against Ecuador as proof of anything? When we all know almost all their best players skipped the tournament

Ecuador would be easier for Brazil to beat

R.I.P Stephen Keshi

Didn't he just lose his wife? Sometimes these things just don't make any sense. The kids one cannot even fathom what they must be feeling now

jstbeinhonest:
Who cares the number of finals the Lahm has reached,we for they count the number of quaters they've reached then.Copa America is a grade B title lol.Pls is the Euro a grade b tournament?.

Prior to 2010 when was the last time a nation not named Argentina or Brazil made it to the Semifinals of a World Cup? The last 3 World Cup winners all from Europe. Copa America and Euros are certainly not on the same level let us not deceive ourselves

jstbeinhonest:
If that is what you mean by qualifiers,hope you know you have to win your Domestic cup or make top 7 to be eligible for the europa league.

Copa America nko? Lahm has won both trophies at the highest level of football for club and country. Tell us more about Alves

TRendlona:
My man u dnt av any point
Nations cup, Euro and copa america are the same regardless of the teams that participate

How can it be the same? So Guinea Bissau and Venezuela can be compared to Switzerland, Czech Republic?

Copa America or Nations Cup can give you

Germany
Portugal
Netherlands
Denmark

In one group?

SIRcumalot:
It is skewed at least in it interpretation,great shooter will shoot better in pressure situation than average shooters.
Almost everybody on that list is a better shooter than LeBron so it shouldn't come as a surprise that he doesn't make them.
Like it won't be a surprise if Steph perform better in the clutch it only because he is the better shooter.
@A40.

You are still not getting the gist of the argument. I said LeBron performs poorly in the clutch you said it doesn't matter, now you have seen the extent of how bad the performance truly is you are now telling me he is not a great shooter

When will you stop generating excuses for this ninja

SmooshCHN:
The truth is, you can't change everyone's mind to see why you can't out LeBron in the class of Kobe, Jordan especially when they do not want to.. That guy has always been pampered, given the luxury to afford 6 time straight finals and where the truth lies is, "how many has he made out of the hype and luxury?? 2/5 and about to be 2/6.. But since the media has always hyped him cos that's what sells, those who are sold already would still continue to hump on it. He has been exposed and cannot anything about it and they are about to pamper him out of it again and people like us who has refused to be fooled are tired of hearing that sh1t. Remember the blowout against Spurs, he just caved in, was timid and we all saw there wasn't any spark of fight in him same in this series.. He individually can ball, But how well? Can he ball against Iguodala who he has met twice and cannot find a solution than to pass or Kawhi?? If he faced Tony Allen, how well can he fare?
You can't count on him in pressure.

Me I am tired of the excuses. It never ends! When they win he takes all the glory when they lose the teammates take all the blame. Its so annoying. They have started already this year. Cavs are the underdog despite having everyone healthy. An excuse that was freely used last year

The guy is not clutch and regularly fails to deliver with the game on the line

Let them keep applying sentiment. The results will always be there for all to see

SIRcumalot:
you havent shut down anything,
that stat is skewed and heavily in favour of fine shooters it doesn't say anything new.
if the 5 clutch shot LeBron made occurred in the post season (I remember one against Atlanta this season and one against the bulls last season) and the other mostly are in the regular season does that not make these clutch stuff meaningless?
RIP Keshi,his name will forever be remembered fondly in this country history.

What is skewed about a statistical criteria that is as clear as daylight? The mind boggles. The opinion that put him in #3 is not skewed but the stats are? Again this would not have been an argument if Ooh Mpa did not claim your boy was clutch.

More stats for you to reflect on.

OohMpa:
[color=#808000]The 5/47 he sourced for was regular season...

This is his stats for playoffs[/color]

Stop giving us expired ZOBO

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106689/making-the-historical-comparison-between-lebron-james-other-all-time-greats

He is shooting less than 30% in the clutch when the NBA Finals are on. Lower than Wade, Kobe and definitely M.J

In last year's Finals alone LeTravel missed 14 shots out of 17 attempted in clutch time

Add that to the bone-jarring 5-47 in the regular season and come back and tell me more about how clutch he is

Mizzzbeee:

Say something jor. Agent Provocateur

SIRcumalot:
and you think this clutchness data wasn't available to them when they made that ranking ? it either factor incredibly low as it rightly should or it is totally useless.
if the 10% shot he makes are in high stake playoff game it already craps all over gay that shoots 40% all season. regular and post.

My guy bone that thing. ESPN is filled with unrepentant LeBron fanboys who think he is the best thing since Hollandia yogurt. You people make excuse after excuse for him and it is becoming nauseating. Didn't you claim he was the underdog in 4 of the 6 Finals he's been in? This is the kind of LeHype that annoys us on the other side

He might be the best player ever to you guys but by God don't call him clutch or a player that delivers in crunch time where I'm at. I will always shoot that claim down with hard evidence.

jstbeinhonest:
Alves has 3 ucls and 2 elcs while Lahm has just 1 ucl yet their club achievments is close.Alves has 0 world cup and 1 continental title,Lahm has 1 world cup and 0 continetal title yet there national achivements is not close. Ok.

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Does the Copa America have qualifiers?,does the ucl have qualifiers?.I guess they are both Grade B titles.

Yes because Lahm has played in 3 Finals. I also recall clearly showing you the players playing ahead of Alves.

Copa America with superpowers like Bolivia, Panama, Venezuela, Paraguay, Mexico, Ecuador Peru, Haiti, Colombia making like 80% of the field. Its not what you can put on the same pedestal with a World Cup jowo. It is a Grade B title

Yes qualifiers are needed because you need to win your league or finish in the top 3 to make the CL bruhh

SIRcumalot:
see the wasteman way top the list.
good thing say na ESPN link,
so you can't turn around and dismiss the #3 all time ranking.
seeing as how they took everything into consideration.

The clutch stats are based on actual data. The rankings based on opinions. Huge difference

Pataki:
Abeg if you know any of him ''molebi'', tell dem to come and take care of this their olodo pikin oh.

Aderupoko-40 claiming Ali's death dey worry am.

Walai, this forum get orisirisi people no be small!

How can a salsa dancing phaggot like you appreciate greatness with your two left feet.

You think its your role model Denrele we are talking about here.

Drag Queen oshi. No go treat your midlife crisis and keep getting bastardized on a forum by ninjas almost half your age. Omugo

Pataki:
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LOL! Aderupoko-40, my guy! You keep turning yourself into the butt of several ridicules and amusement park here. Stick with your foolish ''apoche cra cra'', ''pendejo'', ''bilewu'', ''akindani'', ''animashaun'', etc.

Americana jalingo oshi.


Go and recover first. Sir Pataki will be here to flog your imbecilé head again.

Is that all your agbon seme head can conjure? What a pity!

Ase bintin l'ogbon e. O ma fi irun funfun ji ya. Oloshious nuisance

You can no longer bear the blunt force trauma I have been delivering to your psyche. Unfortunate beast of sorrow.

Donlittle:
That ranking was the most bogus thing i have ever seen in my life. #3?

ESPN really took it too far with that nonsense list

SIRcumalot:
how come curry sit out major 4th quarter minutes if it isn't that he already finished off the opposition ?
discrediting a players body of work because they didn't make some crazy shot is not right with me.
where the link to this clutch stat I go like see the ranking for myself.

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4396/clutch-shots-are-tough-just-ask-lebron-james

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-kobe-bryant-clutch-shooting-awful-airball-5-for-47-022916

Ooh Mpa was talking about how clutch LeBron was and all them imaginary game winning shots. Me I like to bust popular myths and urban legend hence the stats

jstbeinhonest:
Alves lead Sevilla to back to back Europa league titles.Funny how you are trying to demean Lahm's team mates.

Led? So what did the likes of Kanoute, Fabiano, Jesus Navas do?

Demean? I'm only stating facts. Suarez is better than Lewandowski abi you wan argue am? Messi is better than Robben. Eto'o is better than Mandzukic, Olic, Gomez

Again Europa League is a Grade B tournament just like Confederation Cup.

However in terms of country it is not close. Phillip Lahm has a World Cup to his name. You are mentioning tournaments wey no even get qualifier

jstbeinhonest:
Lahm edges Dani at the International level,while Dani trumps Lahm at club level,Fine.

Trump ko Donald ni

They have played the same number of CL Finals. Only Alves has been fortunate to boast of Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Suarez, Eto'o, Neymar as teammates

Tell me what Dani Alves has achieved at the World Cup a tournament both players were eligible to partake in

SIRcumalot:
I never judge by clutchness,
if you do your job well you wont need to make a crazy shot with 3 guys on you.
if clutchness was so important horry will be a goat.

You cannot wish away clutchness just because the numbers don't favor your boy. Expecting your team to always do their jobs when the stakes are high and the opponents are also battling to win is all fantasy

Robert Horry made a few big shots, Didn't do much else. Wrong example

The acclaimed greatest player ranked #3 by ESPN with the game on the line should not be shooting at 10%

OohMpa:
[color=#808000]@ Skywalker5 and ManUtd19.

You guys act as Kobe and MJ didn't have a great supporting cast. Even the current 2 time MVP has a great team, so what are you guys saying? Riddle Ooh Mpa this:

Did Kobe win a ring without Gasol or Shaq?
Did MJ win a ring without Pippen?
Didn't MJ have all losing seasons in his career when Pippen wasn't his sidekick?
Did MJ make it pass the first round without Pippen?


Without Pippen, that guy won't be termed a "great" in your definition of excluding Lebron.
Pippen had a winning season with the Bulls (55 wins) a year after Jordan left (57 wins). Doesn't that tell you how deep the Bulls team was? Ooh Mpa even omitted Rodman, Kerr, etc. Moreover, when he won his first 3peat, wasn't it that time new teams like Grizzlies and Heat them were added? Does that look like competition to you?

The truth is with Pippen, his PER, field goal percentage improved dramatically. The whole team contributed to his legendary heights and not the other way round.

Remove LeBron from his team and you'll see the team crumble like the walls of Jericho. His heat team had the best players he needed to win, they were hotter than Mia Khalifa on her debut scene. Right now, the heat are still kinging and would rightly compete if all players were healthy.

He has a sub par post up, maybe but can people drive to the basket like he can? How many players make 50% of their shots every year unless a center/PF? How many players pull his numbers?

You guys should give it a break with the star players in his lineup excuses. Yes, he's not likeable and yes, he wanted a ring so badly, he ran away but that doesn't take away the fact he's arguably the best of this generation of players. Period!!![/color]

Story for the gods the gods ooh.

Whose fault is it and who doesn't know that a decent supporting cast is needed to win? You cannot tell me that a player who is playing for the 2nd most expensively assembled team in the history of the league is lacking support after encouraging paddy paddy and cronyism don't come here to tell us about supporting cast.

Pippen owes his career to M.J not the other way round. Back then the East was the tougher conference so Jordan's struggles were understandable. Go and look up Jordan rules and tell me if there was ever any such arrangement for Pippen, a solid defender but severely limited on offense

Of course by M.J's retirement the Bulls had a more mature Pippen who could handle the load with a Championship caliber team and were coached by Phil Jackson. The Bulls were not a Championship team before MJ came so your comparison is dubious

Whether you tag it as competition is moot, they were the best at the time and he beat them all getting past multiple champions like the Pistons and Celtics along the way.

Everybody knows M.J's magical Finals moments, how many can you list for Pippen?

You played with Allen, Wade, Bosh and barely won 2 out of 4. Left them because he felt Kyrie and K.Love would give him more opportunities yet he is still flopping and you are telling us stories

SIRcumalot:
yeah so if put up incredible numbers inefficiently.
you will point to his unimpressive efficiency like you did the last time. we've been here before.

SIRcumalot:
complete rubbish,
you know it I know it the whole word knows but this as good a time as any to start pumping out stuff like this.

Go and check his numbers in the clutch. I no get time for long yarning. Last year they said Kyrie and Love were injured. They are healthy now. Time to show and prove

OohMpa:
[color=#808000]This your hatred for LeBron don blind you well well. You're losing by 20+pts after 3 quarters, what you have him do? Every player does that, even Curry sat out a complete 4th quarter against OKC. There should be no hate here, really...

And you just said he doesn't deliver? Without him, Cavs go smell playoffs? He's had game winners and clutch shots more times than Ooh Mpa could ever remember.

He deserves to be mentioned with Kobe and MJ. Bro, in as much as Ooh Mpa wants a Warriors win regardless of their cocky fans, you just committed a blasphemy[/color]

Ol boy make I hear word!! You think M.J and other greats would sit with 10 phucking minutes to go? This isn't about Curry so spare me the megedefegede after all he has not been put in the same pedestal.

This is about a player tapping out with plenty time left to play.

The Mavericks down 15 with 6 minutes to go could have folded in Miami and accepted their fate, Celtics down 24 coulda done the same back in 08, I also recall the Heat back in 06 recovering from a huge deficit in Game 3. What do all 3 teams have in common? They all ended up winning the series!!!!

Cavs are in a sh!t conference who cares? Lool a hitting more clutch shots and game winners. If I roll out his stats you would weep. Its less than 11% so I advice you keep mute. Don't ever mention LeFlop and clutch in the same sentence. Lightning might strike you

He doesn't deserved to be mentioned for Jack

SIRcumalot:
driving to the basket is a reliable way to score efficiently.

edit: he is also more of a playmaker than a scorer

When your opponent has barricaded their rim nko? What do great players do? They find alternatives

They need LeBron the scorer right now.

jstbeinhonest:
Guy you said Alves does not have any international acheivement of note,now tell me,is winning the a Copa and 2 Confed titles not an international acheivement.?.

Confederation Cup is a Grade B tournament scratch that off your list. If its Copa America then I glossed over that one but how is it comparable to what Lahm has achieved in International football?

Lahm's achievements trump that of Dani Alves hands down at International level

1 World Cup >>>>> 10 Copa America and Confederation Cup titles

Donlittle:
I dont think kerr just said this, probably said this when he was a broadcaster of some sort

Especially when he is up to them Ajala Travel all over the World moves when all else fails. He improved on his jumper and tried the post-up game quite a bit especially while he was with the Heat but he seems to have gone back to bulling all the way to the rim now since he doesn't trust his J anymore. The post game is literally non existent

Bild | Rummenigge met Benatia's agent and told him that the Moroccan defender should look for a new club

Pataki:
Aderupoko-40 was spotted and revived at Gbogbi Hospital! See omo-Alakisa on snapchat.

That boy has an excellent efficiency in idiocy.

Dendemoron. Accept your L and stop inundating us with your stewpidity

Yin and Yang of oponucracy. Awon apa meji

OohMpa:
[color=#808000]The only guy in the last 47 years to hold all 4 grand slams simultaneously...[/color]

Roland17:
I feel terrible for Murray even though he is not my favorite tennis player. He won the first set with some master back hand strokes, however he lost composure and was slaughtered by Djokovic in the second and third sets before succumbing in the fourth. Murray needs more mental training than technique.

I am pro-Nadal but you got to respect this guy's consistency. The Djoker is built from Titanium and Adamantium. Beast

Murray is a mental midget. He has all the tools, a great serve, superb backhand strokes, excellent footwork but he always wilts under pressure. One would have thought his breakthrough in 2012 would have seen him challenge Novak's dominance after Nadal's body literally broke down on him, That a guy like Wawrinka already has two Grand slams despite not breaking into the big time until 2-3 years ago says a lot about how Murray has underachieved