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tintingz:
Hope you know what delusion and extremism is?

Muhammad started a good cause to librate the people of Mecca but he ended up being in the same delusion he hated the pagans for.

A good cause is to fight for people's freedom, imagine slavery is still a practice during Muhammad era and throughout history of Muslim caliphates.

Religion is a tool for power and to control people.

It's all about perspectives. You think Muslims are in delusion, and we think same of atheists. You believe religion is meant to control (still can't figure out how that is), and I see you as a proof for the efficacy of predictive progromming. Perspectives!!!!

tintingz:
This is the problem with religion, the delusion.

Lol, I thought Muhammad wanted to be killed in Mecca and he escaped to Medina and gain more followers to form an army? I wonder why he didn't started to fight the pagans in Mecca when he had little followers in Mecca. Your prophet saw the danger coming and he fled.

Muhammad later gain the power he wants by enticing his followers with everlasting enjoyment in a fairy garden, the bounty in wars were shared, women slaves where shared, they collected jizya(tax) etc. that's how he was able to control that region with fear and terror. His later followers continued this conquest.

Jesus too wanted this power controlling, he was later killed or escaped who knows, he had very little followers in his time, I think he also had a delusion to sacrifice himself a.k.a suicide. His later followers started the crusade by conquering nations for power.

So my friend, I don't see the reason to go out and be shouting I'm an atheist when I know the society I'm where we have religious freaks, there is no reward in it. There are people who did so, I prefer my life like this. Maybe in the future I will be an activist.

If your course ain't worth dying for it's not the right course.

tintingz:
Why should I tell my parents I'm an atheists when I know the results, what do I want to gain in it? We have some atheists that informed their parents about their position some ended good some ended bad some even escape death while some are killed mostly in Muslim countries. I choose not to for now for some reasons, besides I'm enjoying my atheism, I live independently, I'm working and I argue with my friends about supernatural, in fact they know I don't believe in supernaturals, juju, superstitions and other nonsensical beliefs.

You certainly aren't sure of your belief unlike the Arab warrior and the carpenter who, against all odds, avowed their beliefs and damned all consequences by going against the prevailing belief systems at their respective times. However; you, my friend, are too scared to come out and profess your belief 'cos you don't wanna be killed.
My prophet SAW was ready to die for he knew death is just the beginning.

tintingz:
I'm talking about the religious conquest of both religion.

Like any conquest whatsoever is a piece of cake. You guys can't even own up your atheism to your parents. I wanna see you conquer your hood, if it's that easy.

tintingz:
Power!

You can see the result of the Arab warrior and the Jewish carpenter.

In other words, Many religions have made many fantasies about their Gods and creation story, humans were curious to know what could cause the universe to exist, what cause these phenomenas to exist, these gaps led them to fantasize many imaginary things, out of ignorance they fill the gaps with God or Gods which is now call "god of the gaps".

Thunder and lightning for example were ones seen as a curse or anger of the gods like Sango, Thor, Amadioha, Zeus etc now that we know how thunder and lightning works these Gods are diminishing/diminished.

Thank God for science.

I'm sure you wouldn't at this if you were there when the Arab warrior and the carpenter were been hunted by their very own.

Anyone could write any rubbish with the advantage of hindsight, nothing special.

tintingz:
This is a fantasy made up by a man that lived somewhere in the middle age desert, I can simply made up my own fantasy the universe is uncreated. The cause of Big Bang cannot come from a perfect God.

Let's stick to logic, can something come from nothing or without a cause?

What was the man to gain from making up such fantasy?

Wallade:
I remain indifferent about the attempts to assassinate R Kelly's character. He was great at music and remains a legend.

Why are the ladies just coming out now? It is becoming a trend now in the USA to target famed black men through out and at the end of their career. Even if they manage to get and ruin him, it will not change my perception of him.

They got Mike Tyson, Bill Cosby and a host of others. The war is on with Robert Kelly now.

This should tell you it is systemically organised.

Zuorom:
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He went out of which bend? Where u there when this things happened? You just heard from one side and you are already judging. He denied any of such happened, Aaliyah's mother said nothing of such happened. The people saying this thing haven't brought any case against him in court with all the evidence they claim they have. The only case brought against him, he was found not guilty. How about listening to his own side of the story? What if this man is innocent? Why can't you people use your brains and stop behaving like programmed Robots?

Don't blame them. Remember the bandwagon effect?

BillGoldberg:
Every useless nonentity is now trying to familiarize! Fvck you at Don Jazzy. One day, your own go come out. E fit be small boys you dey chop self. Animals.

But the truth of the matter is that there are probably powerful forces within the music circle that wants to take rkelly down!

Rkelly is a top musician and of course will attract girls and women a lot. I saw a thread of one foolish girl like that who said that she was 16 in South Africa when rkelly asked her name.... Mtcheeew! Duh. Like she never knew that was 16 and was still getting wet for rkelly?

Brothers lets face the truth! All these foolish women got what they wanted. They were fully aware of the implications but still went ahead to involve!

Rkelly is a triple super superstar. Most people especially ladies will want to live on the fast lame with him. They literally throw themselves at Rkelly Feet.

I can authoritatively tell you that there are many Musicians in this Lagos who are worse. Some of them run homosexual cults. I kid you not. You see both Young men and girls throwing themselves at them. What do you expect? Believe me.

Most of these stuupid young guys and girls only see these musicians from face and surface level. They dont know what these guys suffered to get to the top. Its not easy. When they get to the top, they take advantage of whatever comes there way be it human, animal or alien. They simply use and dump you because you are never part of there plans. You were never there when they were struggling to get to the top!

As am typing this, go to Davido, WizKid, Olamide, KizzDaniel and Phyno inbox!

You will shudder! You will see underage, married, single and even about to wed asking them out. Some about to wed wants Wizkid as there last fling!

Was it not on Nairaland we saw a thread of a very stuppid young girl asking for the diick of bRed as a birthday gift? bRed wey neva blow oo? Imagine what is happening to Davido! Tomorrow now, this same animal will come out to say bRed abused her.... Nonsense and ingredients.

So brothers, all these things is geared towards one thing! Pull Rkelly down and I will never be a part of it. Rkelly is a good man and people who experienced these things prolly got what they wanted. Rkelly this and that will never solve a thing!

Women are very complex and very vindictive. Probably One has wanted Rkelly to marry her and he refused. They now ganged up to mess him up. They blame men for sexualizing women but have they ever blamed women for sexualizing themselves? Doubt me at your own peril.

In Nigeria here, the average Nigerian woman is a harlot and hoe who rides dicxk to put food on the table. Forget all these there forming and blowing phonetics. They form for you because you may be broke. When you are rich, famous and handsome like rkelly, they will off there pants with jeans for you! Yes! Women especially Nigerian ones are that terrible. Nonsense and ingredients.

Rkelly, fucck them on Jare. They got what they wanted. Animals and hoes.

At least you are reasonable unlike Don jaz

tintingz:
Tell me how heaven make sense?

Tintingz, your Wahala too much. How do I do that? You don't believe in the unseen and the unseen cannot be proven physically.

Akin1212:
Then he does not know my end. You don't get it? If I get saved then my end is not destruction.

If my end is destruction, then no matter what is offered, the destruction will still take place. That's how it works.

It's not like that, Akin. God knows your freewill would lead you astray and out of love he offered you a better path, the right path.

tintingz:
Reincarnation and heaven are belief system.

Tell me which one I should believe in and why I shouldn't in the other one.

Ok, then. You can read up on reincarnation and see if it makes more sense to you than heaven. Everything you do is still to your freewill.

tintingz:
Why not tell me what it tells you.

For you to have brought in reincarnation into this discussion means you'd have known a bit about it, just as I do.

Akin1212:
You still dont understand it.

If God offers me a path to salvation, then he does not know my end.

A God who knows my end and offers me salvation would be deceiving itself.

It doesn't work like that. You have got to take the path to salvation he's offered you then leave everything else to him.

Akin1212:
If God the all knowing knows my end is destruction, but still went ahead to create me, then he is malevolent and he derives joy in seeing me being destroyed making him not all loving. And he can't do anything about it which makes him powerless, so he is not all powerful in the end. Thanks!

If God knows your end is destruction and gIves you a path to salvation, how is God at fault here?

tintingz:
Are we reincarnating or go to heaven after we die?

Which one should I believe in?

If the ultimate spiritual goal of man is liberation from reincarnation or cycle of death and rebirth, what does that tell you?

tintingz:
God purposely killed the children that did nothing wrong, that's a sadist behavior.

Paradise is meaningless, imagine a world without no purpose for eternity just humping and humping , infact people in paradise will get tired of that place, the atmosphere will be ridiculous.

Death is but a transition not the end.

LordReed:
Who wrote the books?

The some of the books were revealed to God's messengers. Others were handed down.

LordReed:
And who tells you of these people?

The books of God, of course.

tintingz:
Again God is not the only supernatural that's known in history. How many times will I say this?

Atheism/atheists position is lack of belief in God/s and this is religion section, are we suppose to be talking about romance?

I'm not obsessed with theism lol, I've other important things doing, I only come here to have fun and make una reason.

I like the fun part. Also make us see how atheism would refine and make us better not just deriding theism.

LordReed:
LoL so with no way to confirm if what they say is true we should just accept their word for it? LMFAO! No wonder all these pastors are driving Rolls Royce upanddan. LMFAO!

You dey make me laugh. I wasn't referring to Pastors or Alfas but to those whom God sent to us with guidance i.e Muhammad SAW, Jesus, Abraham, et al.

sino:
1. You see, when you aren't able to answer a simple question, you go on rambling and ranting! This is why you people cannot be reasoned with! The Prof. knows his student writing nonsense in the exam hall would fail, the student who chose to be irresponsible with his studies and writing nonsense, knows he would fail, but instead of the student to take responsibility for his bad decisions, he starts blaming the Prof! "The Prof saw my script while I was writing nonsense o, and he still failed me...." "God knew I would be an atheist o, and would still burn me in hell".

The real questions are, are humans capable of making the right and wrong decisions?! Did God provide guidance so humans would not to make the wrong decisions?! Are there consequences for our decisions?! Did God inform us of the consequences?!

God did not force your decisions on you! If there is no freewill, you wouldn't be here exhibiting your freedom of will! God (evolution or whatever you want to hold on to) gave you the ability to make these decisions, and from your own understanding thus far, are there consequences for your decisions?! If yes, then you absolutely cannot fault God for your own decisions or actions!

You seek the world where there would be no evil, but apparently, this world isn't that! There is absolutely no amount of wishful thinking that can change that, nor do you have any other world to go to! This world having good and evil gives credence to the importance of making the right decisions, and taking responsibility for your own actions! Your ranting about God wouldn't change anything! Yeah, you have denied God, eh ehn?! What is new?!

2. We all die at some point in time, death doesn't look at age or your level of innocence, regardless, children generally are all admitted into paradise, where there happens to be no death or evil! It is always a win for children that die! But since you do not believe in paradise, I ask, were the children going to live forever?! Do natural disasters separate those to be killed by age?! Are innocent people not dying everyday?! Abeg look for another argument!

Thank you, for this.

tintingz:
God/s is not the only supernatural belief in human history there are other beliefs.

And we're not talking about languages, we're talking about the characters of these Gods, Allah character is different from Brahma but they are both Gods in different religions.

SMH.

You only know Allah because your parents indoctrined you, you can only know Allah from the Quran just like how someone know Superman from the comics.

If you're born in India you're highly likely going to believe in Brahma.

You're mischievously deviating. We are not taking about the characters any god here but how the belief in God/gods has been a part of our existence. Which is the true God is another subject in its entirety. Geddit?
Don't think, for once, I'm trying to convince you that Allah is the one true God. Nay! My intention was to make you see your obsession with theism, which is not very wholesome for you (an enlightened atheist).
Forgive me if I had impressed on you wrongly.
The only true realty awaits us all when absolute truism and realism will be laid bare to us with helpless undeniableness.

tintingz:
You lack historical knowledge and fail to see the flaws in your logic.

Allah was never known has God in the Ancient Greece and other nations, they have their God/s. Allah is even a localized pagan god in some tribe in Saudi Arabia where Muhammad grew up. Claiming Allah sent prophets to all nation is false and has no proof, no one knows Allah as God be it ancient China, Africa, India, Europe etc stop giving empty claims.

Fairies were actually supernatural belief in Europe culture.

Various folk theories about the origins of fairies include casting them as either demoted angels or demons in a Christian tradition, as minor deities in pre-Christian Pagan belief systems, as spirits of the dead, as prehistoric precursors to humans, or as elementals.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy

Allah and Islam are alien to Africa, this was never the religion and God of our forefathers, read history and stop being ignorant.

Lol, since your father doesn't know about Santa other aged people don't know about Santa? For your information Santa Claus is called Father Christmas in Nigeria if you're confused who Santa is.

You still don't get, Allah is also seen as a mythical figure in other cultures. He doesn't exist to them, Hindus don't believe in Allah.

Again you can't disprove the existence of an imaginary entity just because some set of people believe in it even if it is just one person, you can't disprove the existence of Santa just because kids mostly believe in it, it is a belief system you can't disprove imaginary entities with that weak argument. Kids believe in Santa because Santa visit them.

Santa is for kids while God is like Santa for adults, two versions of imaginary beliefs.

You just don't get it, do you? Did they believe in god/gods or not. If those ancient Greeks or Chinese spoke Arabic they'd call their gods Allah. It's merely a linguistic discordance.

We are taking about how the belief in God has been an intrisinc part of humanity but you're taking about things that came along that pertained to a few cultures while most cultures and civilizations were totally oblivious of such myths and legends.
Santa is to Americans what father Xmas is to the Brits. The fact remains there were so many aged people who didn't know about this character, especially in the North. Even those who did/do, know that santa is modelled after someone, as in a real person.

You dey shout fairies upandan, how many of you would have known of them if not for Disney?
Fairies may be a part of the British folklore but they still believe in God because the belief in God is part of humanity.

LordReed:
And so we should take it on faith? Based on what other equally limited men tell us about the god?

Those men are not as limited as we are and are messengers of God.
God's ways are not always easy to explain and so it's all right to ask questions, even though we may never find answers to most of them.

tintingz:
LMAO! Yy

When these fairy entities were known does not negate the belief of their existence, they are Belief system. Allah was never known to be God in the Ancient Greece nor ancient china nor Eskimos, that argument is flawed. The belief of Fairies have been known right from human history, Santa is known around 19th century and so on. If your dad doesn't know about Santa, my dad knows and other aged people.

Your God is also seen as mythical figure by others so this not an argument.

They didn't have to know Allah as the true God but they did know there were/was gods/god. And Allah has sent prophets after prophets to clear their misconceptions.

You see your problem? You think you're living an oyinbo life. Fairies are alien to African traditional belief system and I'm sure to Asians too. They were originally found in british folklore, I think.

I didn't mention your dad because I know you're still a small boy. So your dad would know about santa and should know also it's a myth at best. Go ask really aged africans who never got Western education. Besides, na only children believe in santa even right there in the West.

Now you can see that unlike the belief in God, your fantasies and myths never cut across all continents and civilisations. They were only believed by some at a point in history. They were more like localised not general beliefs.

tintingz:
Fairies, unicorn, leprechaun, Santa Claus etc these entities cannot be disprove with science, do you know why? because they are imaginary entities just like your God.

All those are fairly recent figments of some people's imagination and have been tagged myths from onset. My father (may Allah forgive him) never heard of all those things you mentioned and I'm also sure your grandparents or great grandparents never knew of those things either. But the belief in God is as old as life itself.

So, I implore you not to equate God's existence to myths and superstitions.

tintingz:
What a silly cheap excuse and apology. Hypocritical argument.

So you're quickly to give excuse for an imaginary being called Allah, an entity you can't even proof, yet you find problems with nothingness in quantum physics.

FYI the quantum state is not totally nothingness, how your God was able to create out of nothing begs many question. Energy cannot be created, that contradicts your God creation from nothing.

You'd always find yourself in an abject state of foolhardiness whenever you try unraveling divine enigmas with science designed with a view of understanding the physical nature. There are certain things science can't give us, and this is one of such, tintingz.

tintingz:
Cheap excuse.

You brought the nothingness argument yet you can't defend the nothingness in your belief. The creation from nothing is religion idea not atheism, in fact the Quran mention Allah creating from nothing.

Yes it does.

Allah is all powerful na. Abi you do forget "kun fa yakun" so quickly.

You know it didn't change nothing.

LordReed:
I literally had headaches thinking about the characteristics of the god as a Christian. It was like trying to untangle a ball of spaghetti with every strand leading to madness.

Funny guy. That's how it's supposed to be for we're limited in our understanding.

Dantedasz:
1.The internet has made research materials open to all. You don't need to visit a library to get access to knowledge like in the past.
2. As more people access the internet and read things that were once hidden,they will continue to ask questions about religion. As they access the internet, people will begin to think and critique religion and expose religion for the astounding rubbish it truly is.
3. Religions are being abandoned by their adherents like rats abandoning a sinking ship Personally I feel that religion will disappear and die a natural death over the next 100 years. The religionists know this because the writing is on the wall, although many of them are still in denial.
4.Religion is tottering on its last feet like a punch drunk boxer. It is only a matter of time.

I like this, but your research is only halfway through. Dig deeper to see the true end result.

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