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Na wa oo... All this squabbling over what again? You lot are always looking for the slightest of opportunities to cast aspersions on each other's identities.

And I'm also sure the West is responsible for all these name-calling, egocentrism, parochialism, and intolerance and schism you lot have embarrasingly demonstrated on here. Pathetic!!!

I wish the holy prophet (SAW) would have a second coming.

Julius Berger Nig. go com dey flex their yeye muscles like say road dem wan build na one of a kind if it happened in naija.

He's being criticised for making jokes about scums of earth, filthy beings. I'd have them(homosexuals) all executed if l had the power.

CityNGR:
Tagged paedophile by his own very wife

She didn't just tag him a paedophile, but a sicko who would drill his own daughter. Haba!!

Of all the drivels I've read about Christianity, this right here is the worst of'em.

Colourich:
It was indeed disrespectful of her to make such statement, she was indirectly calling the man a paedophile on social media, such effrontery.

That's was no effrontery. It was sheer stupidity she demonstrated.

IamJix:
Yes, to an extent.

Come on. Don't be an olodo.

Ugosample:
Africa will remain a $hithole for decades to come because YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE THE INTELLECTUAL STRENGTH IN GOOD NUMBERS TO MAKE A CHANGE


Most Africans are myopic, stupid, slaves to barbaric traditional practices, slaves to tribal loyalty and worship for his oppressors


How can a place with this disaster as people move forward? ?


During elections it's these niconpoops that will sell their vote for a pittance, or vote based on religious or tribal lines alone "-\


It's these same fvckin niconpoops that will burn "thieves" on the street; and at the same time hail and shout the praises of wicked politicians WHOM they know has robbed them blind, and even defend them when they fall into the hot water of the law.

If that criminal Jagaban as they call that fool is tried and probably jailed, there will be mass protests that they should leave their son


If GEJ and Wife get caught in their tracks, militants will be threatening fire

Innoson got into a fist fight with GTBank, instead of us to leave them to sort themselves, idiot Africans took sides and were hurling tribal slurs at each other
we all saw it in this forum.

they did not want to know who is innocent or guilty, but since the party is in their side (tribally) they must br right


You Africans don't know the depth of foolishness you swim in, and its too bad

The west don't need to do anything, Africans themselves have set themselves on the path to self destruction


And unless a group of enlightened Africans seize power in majority of African countries, suspend democracy and FORCE the people into conforming to development and building a developed society, Africa will continue to wallow and swim in the murky waters of sweet foolishness

Funny. So foolishness dey sweet?

SureBETarena:
ChiefAzubuike it's here again, look closely to the right you will find another Benz.

You wan turn cheifAzubuike worst nightmare for this forum.

Finally, X-MEN don dey arrive small small.

haywizzy007:
hi

Hi

Empiree:
See, what some don't seem to understand is that by the very definition of Shahadatain which means SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE. What you see is what is called Islam, period. If you believe in what you see and you practice them, you are muslim. That's primary and foundational aqeeda which every muslim must believe and practice. So question is, what do you see?.

To offer daily salat, Ramadan, zakat and hajj. These are minimum practical requirements which fall under antash-hadu anla ilaha ila Allah wa antash-hadu anna muhammad rosulLlah.

You notice that no muslim practice otherwise in any masajid you visit. These are what unify us. Go to any masjid and pray. You have no business with anything else they do. So the above is Islam. Period. It is not tampered with.



That's it. Take what is good and leave what you don't want. This is what mufti menk preaches but our brothers here still critisize him. They said he's not Muslim enough. Check this out to confirm my point https://www.nairaland.com/4836741/wallahi-one-best-place-been



yes, if you hear something you don't understand, a sincere student will ask questions openly or privately by not being disrespectful to imam etc. Yes, shirk just be rejected.



Common ground is exactly what I have mentioned above. Anything else like group dhik in the masjid, Mawlid etc if masjid committee don't like people to gather for Dua or dhikr in the masjid, they should keep these practices in private since masjid is open to the public. This is about peace. So if people are doing their dhikr, Mawlid, Dua etc in unison in their own home and a fella comes around to criticize them that Nabi (saw) didn't do this and that or sahaba didn't do this and that, that fella is agent of shaytan and should be dealt with.



If you don't want segregation or discrimination, the first thing to do is that you stay out of sectarian differences. If you are out of it you will be able to see and critisize both sides. But if you are in a sect, it will be difficult for you to criticize your own sect if they do wrong. This is why I'm not into any sect. Yes, I share manhaj sufiyyah but I do not belong to any Sufi sect or group. I share manhaj Salafiya but I do not call myself Salafi or belong to their group either but I was there for 4 yrs yrs ago. This is why it is easy for me to criticize some Sufi or bogus Sufi and some Salafi. Just that, it is very common with Salafi brothers to condemn their fellow muslims just by noticing sect a Muslim belongs to.



it will happen eventually. Allah's Decree is what is at work right now. If you understand many sayings of the prophet (saw), this should not be surprising to you.



Saad



I don't takfr no one unfortunately. That's what they do best

If we truly believe that Islam is not just a religion but also a way of life, then you'd agree that we all are practising the adulterated form of it in one way or another. And yes, the core as you mentioned above has fairly remained the same. However, Islam encapsulates an awful lot more than five pillars.

Islam, as I see it today, is being run like international politics. The Saudis would rather take as enemies and bomb their fellow Muslims over ideological differences. Flexing their rotten muscles over their brothers, and go ahead to take as allies the unbelievers.

A salafiyah imam that I respect so much, till today, say those with Sufi creed would end up in janam, as in all of'em, to atone for their numerous sins. And on this, I vehemently and completely disagree with him. A whole bunch of Sufi guys say if you don't pray through a revered a sheikh, Allah will never answer your prayers. The Shia have taken as an obligation to curse the Sahaba they deem, to the best of their knowledge, unworthy. Did the prophet (SAW) teach us all these sentimentalities and more? I don't believe he taught all these nonsense, and if he (SAW) didn't, would ask these not have been a culmination of adulteration?

inagbe1:
[May Allah bless you abundantly my brother. The rate at which unnecessary dogmatism and 'zombieism have crept into islam is really saddening.These our so called salafi or ahlu sunnah brothers hardly preach Islam to non Muslims or condem evil in the society. They are most active when it comes to waging wars against fellow Muslims who don't agree with their own interpretations of things in the religion. The most annoying thing is that they usually lack knowledge and decorum, and they are bereft of methodologies of dahwa. They magnify things that are irrelevant and are always quoting from scholars who follow the Wahhabi school of thought. In fact they are a great fitnah to this generation because they drive people away from Islam and make Islam to be despised. May Allah increase us in knowledge. quote author=Empiree post=73328642]I am sorry that disagreement on small issues bother you just as much as it bothers me. We have some people who believe it is either their way or highway. They want all muslims to accept their manhaj only bcus according to them, their manhaj is the only correct way. Anyone who has contrary opinion or ideology is "alhubidia" according to them. I try not to engage them in most cases but when they feel like they have the right to throw insults at those men who gave them islam in African or nigeria especially, i can't keep quiet.

That aside. See bolded part, they always say this nonsense. They say birthday is Jews and christians thing and we should not copy them. They always have low aql (intellect). Birthday is about humanity not essentially religious one. Nabi clearly said in the hadith the reason he fasted on Mondays relating to his birthday. How's that copying Jews and christians?. They do not understand the hadith. The hadith simply means dont imitate Jews and christians by calling nabi(saw) God or son of God like those people do. Yet many of them put on suit and tie, shirt and trouser the way yahud and nasara dress, shoes made by Yahud and narasa. Highrise buildings started by jews and christians. Quran competetion by giving prices which is not allowed by sunnah but they see it as "good deeds" and they did not condemn this bcus it suits their narrative, and i dont have problem with it either. Are muslims not copying them in these instances?. Competition and giving prices is well done by yahood and nasara. Birthday has nothing to do with Jews and christian imitation bcus nabi already highlighted this in the hadith. If birthday is forbidden, he(saw) would not have said "it is the day i was born".

Another argument they put forward is, since nabi(saw) fasted on his birthday, why dont you do the same?. Fast is optional and there is no command by him(saw) that we should fast too on Mondays or the day he was born. Carefully read my post please. I said he(saw) did not command or order muslims to fast too. But it is his sunnah bcus it was his action. You can't tell if someone fast or not. Thats why some of the mawlid celebrants do their mawlid at night bcus they fast in the day. This is a very simple issue but they no gree. The only way they can refute mawlid is by bringing forward ayah that haram mawlid. Thats why i said, on issues that Quran and hadith are silent should never be a point of bickering. They should leave people alone. We condemn only people who are doing trash in the name of Mawlid. Every yr they wanna come up with criticisms when they can easily focus on something relevant elsewhere. And i tell those who celebrate mawlid too to mind their business.

Islamic knowledge is broad

Take it easy, bro. This should be a platform for learning not one for disagreement.

Empiree:
I am sorry that disagreement on small issues bother you just as much as it bothers me. We have some people who believe it is either their way or highway. They want all muslims to accept their manhaj only bcus according to them, their manhaj is the only correct way. Anyone who has contrary opinion or ideology is "alhubidia" according to them. I try not to engage them in most cases but when they feel like they have the right to throw insults at those men who gave them islam in African or nigeria especially, i can't keep quiet.


That aside. See bolded part, they always say this nonsense. They say birthday is Jews and christians thing and we should not copy them. They always have low aql (intellect). Birthday is about humanity not essentially religious one. Nabi clearly said in the hadith the reason he fasted on Mondays relating to his birthday. How's that copying Jews and christians?. They do not understand the hadith. The hadith simply means dont imitate Jews and christians by calling nabi(saw) God or son of God like those people do. Yet many of them put on suit and tie, shirt and trouser the way yahud and nasara dress, shoes made by Yahud and narasa. Highrise buildings started by jews and christians. Quran competetion by giving prices which is not allowed by sunnah but they see it as "good deeds" and they did not condemn this bcus it suits their narrative, and i dont have problem with it either. Are muslims not copying them in these instances?. Competition and giving prices is well done by yahood and nasara. Birthday has nothing to do with Jews and christian imitation bcus nabi already highlighted this in the hadith. If birthday is forbidden, he(saw) would not have said "it is the day i was born".

Another argument they put forward is, since nabi(saw) fasted on his birthday, why dont you do the same?. Fast is optional and there is no command by him(saw) that we should fast too on Mondays or the day he was born. Carefully read my post please. I said he(saw) did not command or order muslims to fast too. But it is his sunnah bcus it was his action. You can't tell if someone fast or not. Thats why some of the mawlid celebrants do their mawlid at night bcus they fast in the day. This is a very simple issue but they no gree. The only way they can refute mawlid is by bringing forward ayah that haram mawlid. Thats why i said, on issues that Quran and hadith are silent should never be a point of bickering. They should leave people alone. We condemn only people who are doing trash in the name of Mawlid. Every yr they wanna come up with criticisms when they can easily focus on something relevant elsewhere. And i tell those who celebrate mawlid too to mind their business.

Islamic knowledge is broad

I like the way you presented your points. It's concise and enlightening. On the issue of some foisting their manhaj on others, I also find that terribly appalling for no one person, group, faction, or sect can lay claim to practising the true Islam that the holy prophet practised; it's all been tampered with. So what I do is I listen to all sermons, pray in any mosque, provided they preach and practise Islam as we know it. And I try my level best to incorporate the good they preach in my routines, and discard whatever they preach
that I'm not comfortable with or i could keep it mind till further clarification. Nevertheless, I reject any form of shirk outright

All I want is for us to find a common ground so we can practise the Deen in unison, in the true spirit of Islam as laid down for us by the best of mankind (SAW). Perhaps I want it this way because it's not in my element to segregate or discriminate. I don't know how to take sides. If two persons had an altercation, unless I was there from the beginning i'd never judge either of them right or wrong based on their differing accounts.

We Muslims coming together is just a dream, anyway. A dream of mine that will never come to pass. Which of my dreams don ever come to pass self? Abegii.

It's just that whenever I think of how the holy prophet (SAW) would feel about us my heart bleeds terribly.

I wish you guys could take it easy on castigating and takfeer one another; I hardly learn anything when you do that inspite of the wealth of knowledge you tend share, which, sadly, almost always get lost amidst the squabbling.

Empiree:
No bitterness here bro. I'm surprised you thought that way. Mawlid is a valid practice. Whoever goes against it needs to bring forward straight forward daleel that forbids it.

So whoever celebrate Mawlid should not condemn those who don't. Similarly whoever don't celebrate Mawlid should not condemn those who do. But we all can condemn whoever claims to be doing Mawlid but he's doing contrary to Islamic sharia. They'd still chant "niyas" on the two Elds but it won't invalidate their eld.

People commit sins on eld. They drink and fornicate but eld goes. So I wonder why you people only focus on silly things done in Mawlid while you ignore silly things done on Eld?.

Those Mawlid antagonists today only use charlatans from Mawlid celebrants to criticize Mawlid. This shows that they have no iklas. And those charlatans who claim to celebrate Mawlid but are doing contrary also do not have iklas.

There are Mawlid gatherings such as Oniwasagbaye, Sheikh Daud Alfa Nla among others that abide by sharia. Have you ever watched them?. But they won't look at that. They prefer to use charlatans to judge a practice. So again, if truly your rhetorical question was sincere, you should not have put question mark. Although rhetorical question may have question mark but it is rather left with full stop. It is better understood that way.

Anyways, I believe your were sincere. So no bickering.

I don't wanna go grammatical here, but i'd like to make it clear that rhetorical questions do— not may—end with question marks. That's by the way.

Perhaps I haven't said it here before, but I'm saying it now that I haven't got problems with people celebrating mawlid. I was just dumbfounded seeing a party of Muslims chanting their sheikh's name, as though their lives depended on it, when they were supposedly celebrating mawlid.

In fact, I've had to defend the pro mawlid a few times as I thought raising an obectiion against mawlid was petty and needless.
However, its antagonists say it is modelled after Christmas, which is even a contentious issue, and so I thought if that is true then i shouldn't keep putting up a defence in its favour as we're not allowed to copy either the nasarah or theJews. Although I don't criticise those wey dey do am because na them sabi. And I believe even if one were to be critical of mawlid, it should be done with utter moderation.

I, as a Muslim, will never relish the fact that we're, sometimes, divided by petty issues. It always bugs the hell outta me. And it's one of the reasons i seldom comment here in the Islam section.

Empiree:
So why dont you mind your business then if you can't ask them?. We don't have your answer here. And i don't buy your statement that you may be knifed by them. Your presentation matters.

Why so much bitterness, man? It was merely a rhetorical question. Many people, especially christians, on the day were wondering why would a bunch of Muslims be vigorously and continuously chanting a sheikh's name on a so-called prophet's birthday party. It was damn weird and confusing . You'd think Niyas was prophet's second name.

If you know the Hausas very well you'd know they—a number of'em—move around with daggers and they 'd strike with little or no provocation. We all know they can be overly and unnecessarily aggressive. And don't even think me a tribal bigot as I don't do tribalism. In fact I prefer praying in their Masaajid to anyone else's here in Lagos.

Empiree:
go and ask them why. This place is not proper to ask this question.

Make I go ask a procession of abokis why they were chanting Niyas? Oga, I ain't ready to be knifed.

Demmzy15:
Were they also slapping their faces and chests too?

I was too confused to notice if they were clobbering their own faces and chests.

victorian:
The guy I am seeing in the pic above, doesn't look soft o

His eyes are mean and piercingly cold.

While wizkid bodyguard looks like a an overfed puppy


The difference is clear Mehn!

You Sabi tough guys. And for a lady to over Sabi like this, kudos joor.

Tife99:
Hmm. So you dont believe the West has been a catalyst for war in Islamic nations?

Reading the history of wars in most Islamic countries, they didnt decide to start wars for no reason. The wars usually started as a retaliation. Nonetheless, because those people are muslims doesnt mean they're perfect muslims. It's normal for humans to retaliate under attack and the Quran doesnt go against that.

There are plenty of examples where the West has incited war between two Muslim countries and the general public ( the citizens) are completely innocent in the decision to get involved. Those are the ones who pray everyday and would help their Muslim brothers.

How come you know this but they (those Muslims killing one another) don't, not in even retrospection?

tintingz:
How true is this,

That humans are made up of clay/sand/dust?

Ask Google now. Abi you no get data?

Okay oo.. they're celebrating prophet's birthday, we don hear. Why were those people doing mawlud somewhere in Agege dey shout Niyas up and down? I tire for our Muslim brothers.

Raalsalghul:
Yes I would call him a pastor as far as he stills climb the pulpit. However, I would use the words "Fake pastor".

Ecclesiastically he's not but a ritualist in the cloak of a pastor. An imam indulging in human sacrifices is not an imam but a ritualist pretending to be one. A supposed medical doctor without MBBS or related qualifications is not a doctor but pretending be one. So also a putative yahoo boy indulging in human sacrifices is nothing but a ritualist. This is how I, as a person, see it.

Raalsalghul:
You never understood me. I didn't say yahoo guys are synonymous with ritualists. All I'm trying to point out is that anybody can be two things at the same. Even though there are computer illiterates into rituals posing as G boys doesn't mean we don't have G boys who use rituals to boost up their trade. And yes, human rituals is frowned upon now because of modernization. Would you say the same for about 300 years ago?

If a pastor sacrificed a human being to pull crowd would you still call him a pastor?
Provided a yahoo boy does not indulge in human sacrifice, then there's nothing wrong with him seeking his ancestors' help to boost his trade, so to speak.

Modernisation or not, human sacrifice has always been a part of some esoteric practices, even those who programmed you to believe modernisation ended it still very much do it.

Raalsalghul:
Does it matter? I might be a banker and still do rituals to get promotions and favors ahead of others in the office. You folks should should stop trying to separate the two abeg. Shit'z getting stale.

You obviously are getting it terribly wrong. There are rituals and there are rituals. The example of a banker you gave is allowed in traditional religions just as it is allowed in Christendom and Islam to make sacrifices. So there is absolutely nothing amiss there, but killing your fellow humans is what's frowned upon, in fact it's a taboo across board.

So, a yahoo boy is never and will never be synonymous with a ritualist. A yahoo boy is a fraudster just like any con man. And just because a bunch of ritualists erroneously claim to be yahoo boys with no evidence other than their lavish lifestyles pointing them to be one does not necessarily mean they're.

Your analogy up there suffers an awful lot of congruity with this scenario.

If a white guy is Into an online scam will you call him a ritualist?

Yahoo boys or ritualists?.

janettee:
Really smart people indeed .

Oh I forgot Nigeria is still the poverty capital of the world ..

Yeah. You're absolutely spot on. And that's a result of Nigeria's smartness.

I think the OP is a lazy jobless youth.

odizeey:
help me ask am o. which structure have they laid for us. Is the country investment friendly?

The main problem of most Nigerians is that they allow others to do their thinking for them. Our reckless politicians have been doing the thinking for most Nigerians. That's how they succeeded in implanting that great JFK's idea into the subconscious of the mentally-lazy, so that the citizens can forego their civil rights and be preoccupied with what will never be.

SureBETarena:
I am sure he must have fallen deeply in love with Benz after seeing the various cars posted here but will not admit it because of pride.

You're absolutely right. He saw some Mercedes pics here they were so amazing and the only he could muster was: this one is pimped. That made me laugh so frigging hard, man . This is like the funniest thread on nairaland this year.

I'd advise our friend to watch some "Formula 1" and see how Mercedes dey slay others. Mercedes is all about the whole shebang; aesthetics, robustness, durability, sturdiness, speed, balance, class, respect, luxury, power, and everything else.

SureBETarena:
If you refers to a man in his early 40s as a kid what does that say about you?

C class beat A4, E class beat A6, S class beat A8, GLE beat Q7, ML beat Q5, GLK beat Q5, GT beat R8 so which other Audi cars do you want us to compare?
Benz got a better choice for every single Audi car VW produce.

Learn and stop quoting me.

I and others who know their cars could not agree more at the emboldened.

He's not ready to learn. All those drivels he spouted stemmed from some kinda bizarre dislike he's got for Mercedes, and may be ignorance too.

ChiefAzubuike:
You think hyundai is a small name in the auto industry? You are a novice.

You think Toyota is a small name in the auto industry? So, you should be comparing your almighty Hyundai with Toyota or Nissan or ford.i dare not mention the king of cars in this whole comment it would be a sacrilege to do so, my friend.

Of course you will, so you can pocket the proceeds. Thievery personified.