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movado19:
Yes, my uncle mentioned it about an hour ago that I will not get the dua Jabbaru online and that he knows it is usually cow that is killed after reading it. He says he is very conversant with the Yasin kutba, as well as the tira. So I asked him why he never mentioned it and his answer was how many things will he speak of?! Lol!

Na so.

movado19:
Lol!
I had a conversation with one of my uncles yesterday and he made mention of people whom the Shaitan has successfully planted the seed of doubt in their hearts and has steadily grown. He gave an example of those who outrightly reject the verse of concern, stating that it is not part of the Quran, a fabrication that was snuck in by some people after the prophet S.A.W. passed on!
So their reasoning is that since the verse is not legit, then they don't even bother to recite it once they get to the end of the surah, or some just don't bother reading the surah Tawbah since according to them, the verse of concern has corrupted the whole surah!!!!!
May Allah keep evil away from us, Amin.
He said to me that such things occur slowly but steadily over time. First, it is to discard a verse, then a surah, and then ultimately the whole Quran!
He said to me why the verse of concern? Something that wards off "anyhow anyhow" accidents or deaths is the one shaitan has made them discard, so they have become "uncovered", "open" game for shaitan and his cohorts! Allahu Akbar!
He said if Muslims are to practice Islam the right way, no one should be standing to claim that angels or Ruhaniyyah don't appear to people because everyone would have experienced it at some point in time or the other. It would be a given for all. But because people have strayed far away and they don't polish away their sins with zikr and istigfar, then how do they expect to converse or meet with such beings?
He said they are pure and love only the pure and that anyone who dedicates his/her life to Allah and is in constant zikr must surely encounter them in their lifetime as they would be the ones vying to gain nearness to you by the leave of Allah.
He said seeing/encountering them is Allah trying to let you know something like how well you are doing as per your station and stuff and that you are walking on "Sirat Al Mustakym".

So there are also supposed Muslims discarding some ayah of the Quran? I give up.
On the possibilities of seeing angels and ruhaniya through walking the right path as laid down by our Master SAW, Empiree has stated similar things over and over on here, and I have come to realise he knows and understands what he's saying and not just drivelling on what is unclear to him.
That uncle of yours must be very learned. The likes of you and Empiree are favoured by Allah to have such enlightened scholars as blood relatives. I wish I had one as a relative.

movado19:
Hmm! I get you.
The dua Jabbaru, could you give the first line or two so I can more easily search for it? It has been an elusive exercise so far.
May Allah grant us the strength to ever seek His nearness, Amin.

The truth is, you can't get those tiras online. You've got to search for them out there in the real world.

Empiree:
you honestly need to get close to a brother called jamo90. I must mention his moniker bcuz, he quietly learned here. I no go lie he shocked me when he researched everything I narrated in terms of tassawuf from "Jinn Stories" created by tbaba in 2012 and this one. The brother quietly learned incognito in this platform. One day, he surprised me with a email he sent me that he followed by advice to look for Dua I mentioned in this thread and that thread and concluded that I was saying the truth. But unfortunately he wanted to get the tírà from one baba who declined to hand it over to him even for money. I told him it is understandable why baba would not give it up like that.

It is jabbariya that our baba called "jabaru". It is tírà awón Alfa agbalagba. If they invoke this jabbaru filled with more than 99Names and Attributes of Allah, Allah will respond lesekese. Allah Akbar. You get to see wonders. Go and read Jinn Stories thread where I made reference to this.

But today, even if those baba give you for free you may never know the value. It is a lifetime treasure if only you can sit and make this dua. But then, after doing it you must make some sacrifices like big ram or cow and distribute the meat people to eat. It is one powerful Dua coupled with Yasin and it's khutba.

This is what my Sheikh lives on till this day. But it doesn't mean one can't have tribulations.

They can't just handover such tira to anybody. You don't get such tira readily, you earn it through devotion to the course.

Empiree:
like sheikh Daud Alfa Nla would say, there is no need to respond to this idiot. Allah responds on their behalf. Sheikh Malik Adebayo said the same thing. Sheikh Muhammad mustapha Ashile and Sheikh Ahmed Alaye all said the same thing. One is to be careful for insulting them. You never know their status before Allah. We can't even do much as they do in terms of worship. We are so distracted by duniya today.

This reminds me of hadith of Nabi (saw) that when Allah loves someone He(swt) becomes the person eyes, hands, mouth etc. He responds at appropriate time.

So what happened to the guy, did he learn one or two things after that incident?. Did he learn to keep his mouth shut and his eyes open next time?

To the best of my knowledge, the guy went ghost-mode since then. But my big bro would know better Shaa

movado19:
Wallahi, only God knows why he is M.I.A.
Just a sentence of his has got me searching far and wide, lol!
Allah really blessed him.

That kuti guy is something else, Wallahi.

movado19:
The scheme to collapse Islam using muslims is really active, but Allah will never let such prevail, by His will.
Honestly, I couldn't place my feeling when I first heard this. I thought to myself, how much lower can they go?
That is how one asked me why I don't call myself Sunni or Shia but insist to be called just a muslim!!!
I answered that it is the name Allah gave to us, hence my sticking to it.
He vehemently insisted that I had to choose one as I had no choice, looool!
I said okay, no problem - I declare myself a SuShi!
He looked and asked which one is that one again?
I said the amalgamation of Sunni and Shia!
He said to me that my case is far worse than he actually thought and then left me alone.
I laughed so much that day, enh!

Hahaha!!! I can't stop laughing @Sushi. I think Sushi is far better than any of their made-up labels I have ever come upon

YUNGCONCEPT11:
It is very clear that those Baba's on the right part. They are not concerned about the word affairs of life .some of them fasted throughout their lifetime.
If we Africans are not grateful to God for giving us this Aoliya ....most of the Aoliya are found among blacks. Allah has balanced it he gave the white prophets.
Sheik Hussein Ilmi isik of hakikat kitabevi would say is it the fault of the sun that the blind cannot see.
Walahi this Baba's never go against the Creed of Islam, but unfortunately we have fake men of religion who claim to be men of tassawuf but the type of immoralities you see them practice, I was chatting with one of my friend when he said he prayed jummat in a mosque and the Imam on minbar was just advertising is develish Ogun.
Have studied the men of tassawuf, I see that those Baba's they know Allah Swt and Allah Swt knows them, Spiritually knowledge in Islam is the only guard to firm faith, I read the books of Hakikat Kitbevi I was now wondering are we muslims not throwing away our diamonds and replacing them with with ordinary copper. Though I just start exploring the path of tassawuf. I need guide from mentors here pls Guide me towards the path of Allah swt. Some of these Baba's Do see HABEEBULAH Seyidina Muhammed (saw)very minute of their life. I once here about Sheik Abubakar Agbarigidoma.

There are so many alfas out there doing absolutely devilish stuff, but should we lump them together with the righteous ones amongst them?
I believe you're right about Allah sending most Awliya to the blacks. Unfortunately, We, modern-day Muslims, now get blissful from and revel in demonising them. A most absolutely disgraceful disposition.

Empiree:
ikupakuti really dropped the ball. Quite unfortunate we don't know his whereabout

Bros eeh. I never forget the story oo..

movado19:
Very true. People can be quite ungrateful. Just like a trust-fund kid who did not work for any of the riches he/she enjoys today. They usually have no concept nor appreciation for the earlier struggles and tears.
There are even some that are now saying that some of the 99 beautiful names of Allah are fabricated/ do not exist!!!
So what will they say of His other names/attributes that are not grouped with the 99 names?!
I wonder whatever happened to personal research...Oh, wait! A clear case of mental laziness. They don't want to research or go on a quest for knowledge, but will readily condemn that which is brought forth without justification for doing so.

I can't believe this. Why is it so easy for some to make bogus claims and spawn controversies in the deen. If I lived a billion years such thought that some of the 99 names of Allah might have been fabricated would never cross my mind. I know it is the love of sectarianism that has corrupted some minds, and will make them say drivel and indulge in unwholesomenes just so their sects could appear knowledgeable. This is why I strongly frown upon all sorts of labels besides Muslims.

movado19:
LOL @ "Then of a sudden his lower jaw shifted to one side and couldn't speak."

This just made my day and serves him right! Those who choose not to imbibe the home-training given to them in their homes will surely be served outside.
I wonder what part of islam calls for one to eschew humility, respect and nobility.

It wasn't funny then faa. Of course one could look at the event in retrospect and give a good laugh. If only some of these modern alfas knew what those babas went through at the hands of idolaters before they could lay the groundwork for the Islam we're practicing peacefully today in Nigeria, ehn...

I've often wondered if those criticising those babas of old have the balls to do it to their faces. Can they really call these babas ignorant, kafirun, etc, just as one stupid jabata stooge has done on upteem times?

I'm not here to defend any baba or some of their practices; I'm not insinuating all of them were pious either. So I'm leaving everything to Allah SWT. However; I will base my opinion on them only on what I have seen or heard of them. Whatever anyone chooses to do behind closed doors is not my concern.

Na so one idiot many years ago, after having adopted a new ideology decided to bring it to knowledge of the whole neighbourhood by insulting an alfa agba. I was still very young so I can't say anything about his newly-found aqeedah then. We used to call the alfa agba "Father Xmas" because of his massive white beard, and everyone was scared of him. This guy went to front of this alfa's house and started shouting out: you ogboni man that call yourself alfa, you this, you that, blah blah blah... He went on and on and on. Then of a sudden his lower jaw shifted to one side and couldn't speak. (Awon rawaniyah must have slapped him.) Lmao!!! He quickly held up his hands in contrition and started begging the best he could. The alfa no even come out while all this was happening. It took the intervention of other babas and landlords for area wey come beg the alfa before his jaw was reconfigured to shape.

How many of these spineless balless e-rats could face these alfas, even if they were doing kufr, and tell'em off? Shior.

LadunaI:
I was glad reading reading most of your contributions and many others brothers willing to share their thought on this thread.

Though we had interesting discussion about this issue earlier in this forum. But the conclusion is that is more of subject than object. The subjectivity stems from The fact that, different individual would always have some peculiar spiritual experience that might not be generally shared.

Ibn Arabi said something similar that he's seen Lailatul Qadr in other month than month of Ramadan but that doesn't preclude that it can't be seen in odd night of Ramadan. in fact that is where we'll ALWAYS see it. I believe others is just form of spiritual experience personal to the individual involved.

In my own little way. It happened twice in the odd night of Ramadan from experience I had. One is during 27th night and the other five years later on the 23rd of Ramadan. I believe others will have their own experience of.this night also base on what they witness or 'seen' or experience on that day. Somebody might ask, how sure that one know is he's 'seen' it? Well the signs is not cast in stone, and I believe if one has experience it, the divine grandeur and GRACE that accompany that moment of truth would be too great to discard as mere ordinary night. I believe when others share their experience here going forward, we'd get more enlightened on this issue.

If a man as ibn Arabi could make such a claim then their is a possibility it could be experienced outside of Ramadan. I wish ikupakuti would just appear now. I think it was implicit in kuti's posts Laylatul Qadr could be determined numerically. Allahu allam

lanrexlan:
Not even only Surah Yasin Ayah 9, there was even a report that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was screened from an unbeliever in the ahaadith. Read


The Qu'ran says in Surah Al-Isra 17:45 -And when you recite the Qur'ân, We put between you and those who believe not in the Hereafter, an invisible veil.

In the Tafsir of Imaam Qurtubi (May Allah have mercy on him) concerning this verse, it reads: Narrated Said Bin Jubair(May Allah be pleased with him):When the Surah No. 111(Surah Masad) was revealed, the wife of Abu Kahab came looking for the Prophet(Peace be upon him and his family) while Abu Bakr(May Allah be pleased with him):When was sitting beside him.Abu Bakr(May Allah be pleased with him) said to the Prophet(Peace be upon him):'I wish if you get aside(or go away) as she is coming to us, she may harm you. The Prophet(Peace be upon him and his family) said:''There will be a screen set between me and her''.So she didn't see him. She said to Abu Bakr:'' Your companion is saying poetry against me, and Abu Bakr said:''By Allah, he doesn't say poetry.'' She said:''Do you believe that?'' Then she left.
Abu Bakr said:''O Allah's messenger! She did not see you.'' The Prophet(Peace be upon him) said: ''An angel was screening me from her.''.[Hadith is quoted in Musnad Abu Ya'la].


Imaam Al-Qurtubi(May Allah have mercy on him): If the above verse is recited by a real believer, he will be screened from a disbeliver(Allah knows better)[Tafsir Al-Qurtubi Volume 10, Page 269]


The issue is that most of these things boil down to faith, sincerity and intention. Most importantly, many of these people rarely talk about it or boast about it. They only narrated it when necessary. Moreover, these things aren't employed for bad things. For example, you owe someone money that's overdue (and you have the capacity to pay up) and you recite Surah Yasin or any other other surah in order to be screened from your debtor Oga pay up
It won't work.

Bottom line is that be sincere, if you call upon Allah in distress using His words, he would surely response to your call.

I leave you with this ayah.

Surah Ar-Rad, Verse 31:
وَلَوْ أَنَّ قُرْآنًا سُيِّرَتْ بِهِ الْجِبَالُ أَوْ قُطِّعَتْ بِهِ الْأَرْضُ أَوْ كُلِّمَ بِهِ الْمَوْتَىٰ..........

And if there had been a Quran with which mountains could be moved (from their places), or the earth could be cloven asunder, or the dead could be made to speak (it would not have been other than this Quran).........

I was totally inundated by the last verse you shared. If anyone reads this and still believe Quran is only to be read, and memorised for salat, sorry I can't help them for this verse is clear, concise, precise, and devoid of all forms of ambiguity.

You see ehn, you can't be too sure that if that Surah 17 vs 45 or any other was read, for example: to screen one from a debtor, or to some other end, Allah SWT would not grant one's wish. Allah always works in mysterious ways faa.

My brother, many years back, would use Surahs 108 and 112 to protect himself in street fights, no be small small fights oo, over street credibility and girlfriends. And those Surahs worked wonders for him.

Empiree:
Maa Shaa Allahu Laaquwata ila bilah. Thank you for this. On point.

If you can recall, ikupakuti made mention of how Laylatul qadri could fall outside of the month of Ramadan. Did ever expatiate upon that to you off this forum?
Ladunal, if he did to you could you throw more light on it.

Because, hmm, Oga Empiree, I have been thinking about that supposedly special night in the glorious month of Ramadan for some time, even before I came upon kuti's post. Its not that I'm doubting the word of Allah, I'm just a practical person ni.

YUNGCONCEPT11:
ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR
ISLAM IS THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION

Ma sha Allah.

movado19:
This is the level of thinking that is highly, highly encouraged!
Just because we do not see doesn't mean they do not exist.
All these people can't be lying, especially if you already know them on a personal level as you and Emperee have.
What we should always be asking Allah for is to grant us the inner reality of things, events, so we might understand better by His leave, and not shouting haram, bidda everywhere.
As a matter of fact, I heard about Ruhaniyya when I was just entering my teens (12/13).
This man was telling us that these beings called Ruhaniyya usually have a leader Ruhaniyya called/titled "Ruhaniyya Qudus", who delegates to the others below him, etc. I can't recollect everything he said then because it was some time ago, but I know for sure that he stratified them based on their functions, etc, and he said Ruhaniyya is NOT Jinn!
I keep wondering how people are in such doubt after Allah said He is the Rabb of all the[b] "worlds".[/b] Q1:2 ; Q26:77, etc.

Another brother is corroborating the existence of ruhaniyun here. Wow!!

movado19:
Jumma Karim to you all.

At the bolded below, it is the complete truth!
In fact, we really do not know all the goodness it does for one, but the ones I am personally aware of is that Yasin verse 9; when recited while driving will ALWAYS make you invincible to police, road thugs, etc
When recited over your luggage or bags, posessions, etc, will not get missing, destroyed.
When recited at airport, customs officers will bypass you and ask you to go without interrogation or opening your bag. This is FACT!
I don't mean one should engage in reckless driving or put contraband in your bag, no! You have to do and act right always. But there are instances where you over-speed without even knowing at that time or a police just sees your face and pulls you aside for questioning - just say bye-bye to such things because they will NEVER see you. They can even be driving behind you and then overtake you to pull over someone else in front of you. This is the strenght of that verse 9 by the will of Allah.
Honestly, there is no verse of the quran that does not have its own miracle, but we just don't know what they are. I believe this is a life-long quest to discover them and glorify Allah even more because they are gifts from him to our ummah.
You either seize the opportunity or loose it. It's all up to you.

Oh my word!!! Bro, you have just expanded the scope of this a most efficient and powerful ayah for me. Thank you.

Empiree:
yes, I did read the sister's story. It is just unfortunate that some people think that without experiencing some sort of entity as you said means they are not close to Allah despite their Dua. This is wrong notion unfortunately. People need to understand that when I narrated stories with respect to this, those who experience these entity do not tell anyone except to the like minded. They generally do not tell their clients either. They only say to them Allah did it.

However, there is this yórùbá saying that, "olohun ko ni so ka le wa ran wa lowo"... That He sent someone to carry out the task under His Ultimate supervision.

We seen clear examples of these in Quran and Sunnah. For instance, the story of baby Musa (as). There was a reason for his stuttering. He put forth his hand to reach out for the jewellery instead of the coal, but Jibra’il (peace and blessings be upon him) turned his hand away and placed it in the tray containing coal. He picked up a piece of burning coal and put it in his mouth and so burned his tongue. The Pharaoh was thus fully satisfied that the action of Prophet Musa (peace and blessings be upon him) was not due to mischief but the result of a child’s inability to distinguish between good and bad for himself. This incident caused an impediment in his speech which has been called “knot”(“عُقْدَةً”) in the Qur’an. My point is, Allah used "middle man" to perform the task. He didn't do it Himself. Yet Jubril could not have done the task without Allah's permission.

Likewise the story of Nabi Ibrahim (as) when he was thrown in hell. Jubril service was used by Allah. Another example is gathering of muslims doing dhikr reported in the hadith, that Allah asks Angels what His servants wants?.

These are illustrations to show that Allah used agencies of His messangers (angels) to perform these tasks. He could do it all by Himself and He did it. These "middle men" are the reality or haqiqa.

Another example is all these Allaah's Names including so called 99 Names are Beings in charge of them. If you invoke these Names, for instance, Ya Hayu Ya Qayum, you get to see the reality of what it is. The same is true of tranquility or Sakeena. It is Allah's Name in which a being borne out of it when you invoke or recite a sura like khaf or mulk. You feel sense of tranquility. It is Angelic being called Sakeena according to a mufasir.

Another story was narrated by sheik Rabiu Adebayo (babaloworo). He said he was given Allah's Name by a friend to invoke for 7 days without seeing sun. Lock himself in his room with good niyah.

Sheikh only did it for 3 days when a Being appeared to him in human form from nowhere. This Being bent down and erased his mistake and then disappeared. Sheikh didn't know what he did. He was just looking at him until he left. He then looked down to see what he did and he shouted "Allahu Akbar". Sheik didn't know that he had been making mistake in the pronunciation of the names given to him. Sheik concluded that if you think that's a human being you must be sick.

Bro, there are lots of things in our body. They are Allah's Names and Attributes inside us as human regardless of religion. We only need to activate our ruh to feel them. They are with us 24/7. The closer we get to Allah the more we feel them. But they are not necessary. They are not our focus but Allah. So sheik Rabiu said "if you experience these things, you should know that you just have to keep it to yourself because they can't be explained. People will misunderstood you". He said this is haqiqa.

These things only elevate our dãrãjã and closeness to Allah and knowing Him. It doesn't mean those who experience them worship them. This is false.

To reach this grade is not easy but it is easy to talk about the sweetness of it. There are no shortcut. Remember Wasiu Sadiq's song in the 90s.

"Atiba Olohun duro ma lo'soro. Ati ri aranse re iroruni". When Allah brings ease some muslims may detest it because it is unusual.

For instance my grandpa was blessed with ruhaniya. And we already know that ruhaniyun go by Allah's Commands. Ruhaniya will overwhelm you with Dua and you must do it. He may wake you up in the middle of the night to give you prayers for tahajud. It is a test. It is not easy at all. But if you overcome the ease will be sweet because you just upgraded to another level. So my grandpa only used his ruhaniya to get him fresh fish from the sea daily. See how Allah made it easy for him. He got fish and made stew with it. Iròrùn lobade. Those who experience these things in most cases are alhudhikr with ikhlas. This is ilm haqiqa which is being rejected today.

I love this exposition.
On the issue of ruhaniya, I have not come across any material on them. The sufi-turned salafi alfa I know, believe they could be be jinn, he's not so certain.
After having read most of what you've written about your sheik and his ruhaniya and the references you made to some other sufi shuyuk differentiating between malaika, ruhaniya and jinn. I had a deep reflection of the enigma and said to myself: a guy like me is never gonna encounter any spiritual entity, be it jinn or ruhaniya or what not. As a result, I'm never gonna be able to tell if some of these entities actually do exist, but will that be ample reason to not believe in them?
Then I told myself provided we believe these shuyuk telling us about ruhaniya are/were pious, and humble servants of Allah SWT I will take their words for it; I'm going to believe them. That is it for me.

Empiree:
I need to buttress your point by calling attention of my brother lanrexlan. He sent me whatsapp message few wks ago about a brother who was amongst the victims of robbery but he was not robbed when he recited this ayah in sura Yasin. Ayah 9. Please read the meaning. When armed robber lined them up and requested that they should all empty their pockets and bags, by the time they reached the brother who recited Yasin verse 9, they skipped him and jumped to the next. Th.

Allahu Akbar. The salafi ustaz I referenced earlier has extolled the power thus ayah, but I think there's a very significant event attached to it during the life Nabi SAW. When the enemies were waiting outside of Nabi's to attack him or something. He made his way and none of them, including a disguised shaytan, could see him.
Ever since I heard of that event I have kept that ayah as my most potent disappearing spell, but never used it.

You're right about that ayah quraish vs 4. After posting about it yesterday, I read the meaning again and, for the first time in 20 odd years, was able to relate it with those events that I narrated.

YUNGCONCEPT11:
EGBON EMPIREE, Oga Ladunal, Oga aadoiza please for Allah sake please keep this thread moving, there are many of us that we don't comment but we learn alot from this topic please may Allah Swt continue to be ur sustainer Amin

We will try our best. In fact, Kudos to Oga Empiree. He's been the lifeblood of the Thread.

Empiree, please can you gimme the In-depth meaning of Quran 106 (quraish) vs 4. This is particularly for those who believe all asiri (secrets) are jinn-based and that their's no such thing as asiri. I was starting to share that belief, no thanks to salafi aqeeda, but the short events I'm about to narrate killed it off.
When I was in jss 2, an alfa gave my mate and me the above ayah to recite whenever any teacher would wanna beat us. We were three sitting on a desk and had like 4 rows of 7-8 desks in a row in our class. We were occupying the first desk on the second row.

One day, Mr salami (a teacher) came into our class and said he was gonna beat the whole class for noise making. We (my 2 friends and I) got scared and recited that ayah a few times. After beating all the students on the first row, he proceeded to our desk ( the first on the 2nd row) as one of my friends stretched out his hand to receive his cane, someone just bumped in and said: Mr salami, won bere yin l'office and he left immediately. It must have been a coincidence, right?

Another time, it was the same teacher making same accusation. We recited the ayah like the last time. However, after beating all the students on the first row, he unbelievably and surprisingly skipped our row completely and proceeded to the third row and flogged the remaining students. Did someone just say he probably did that to avoid beating a student he liked?

Again we were to be beaten, but this time, by another teacher. He/she beat the first row approached our desk, my guy at the end the teacher was approaching stretched out his hand to be flogged, but surprisingly, the teacher pushed my guy's stretched hand away with his cane and moved to the desk behind us and continued to flog everyone else.

My friends and I missed a business studies class, the Mistress had threatened to deal with us in the next class, the following week , we recited the ayah. Our tests used to be conducted on Weds and Thurs but were moved to Tues and Wed (the 2 days we used to have that class). The following week, she missed her classes and then the week after that was exams. Na so Allah SWT save us then.

We are not even alfas, just 3 young lads and could do something, however insignificant they may be, with a quranic verse. Now just imagine what those babas could do with these verses, just imagine for a second.

I think the main problem they have is with that word 'asiri' (secret). May be our sufi people should help us find a better or more acceptable word to be used in its place. Salam

Empiree:
^^^

Thanks for this very useful information. Yes, I remembered the ustaz and I do listen to him in some cases. I personally don't think I rebuked all Salafis in this regard.

There is no doubt that there are sub-salafis among Salafis who reject Islamic spirituality. That's very clear on this platform.

[b]See solution this Alfa proffered by saying something in water for her to drink?. Some of the Salafis would reject that. They ask for "evidence".[/b]So not all Salafi reject islamic spirituality and haqiqa but most and they have different approach.

It is all about rivalry from my perceptive. And I think this ustaz Qomordeen Akorede slows down from his previous approach. And I believe he's learned too.

Thanks again

At the emboldened, I think you're right. I remember when an alfa, a friend of father's, married one his daughters to a salafi guy. When the sister got pregnant she and the salafi husband would reject all the antu made for her by the alfa (her father). And she was to put to bed, natural delivery wasn't possible and was to have CS. The father was unaware of this, but he finally caught wind of what was happening rushed to the hospital and said to the salafi hubby "if my daughter die, I will kill you myself" and said something like you people only know quran you no fit use am. LOL.. After the confrontation he gave the daughter antu and after a few minutes, by Allah, we dey hear a new born baby's cry. So you're right, bro.

Empiree:
^^^

Thanks for this very useful information. Yes, I remembered the ustaz and I do listen to him in some cases. I personally don't think I rebuked all Salafis in this regard.

There is no doubt that there are sub-salafis among Salafis who reject Islamic spirituality. That's very clear on this platform.

See solution this Alfa proffered by saying something in water for her to drink?. Some of the Salafis would reject that. They ask for "evidence". So not all Salafi reject islamic spirituality and haqiqa but most and they have different approach.

It is all about rivalry from my perceptive. And I think this ustaz Qomordeen Akorede slows down from his previous approach. And I believe he's learned too.

Thanks again

You're welcome, my bro.
Please finish the story. Abeg

I'm back.
Cont'd.
2: believing that if you don't feel the presence of some kind of entities around you you're not close to almighty Allah SWT. This erroneous belief is so implicit on some posts on here. I got this perception from some posts after when Empiree wrote that story about a man that travelled out to New York, forgot about the sheikh in ijebu and got hexed by his wife's family for refusing to join their coven, and how the sheikh's ruhaniyah helped in nullifying the magic and what not. Someone wrote something like: what of us without ruhaniyah....? My view is, even without ruhaniyah, Allah will nullify any dark magic and deal with the evil doers in so far as you're prayerful. He will do so with or without your knowledge.
By way of practical illustrations of this: Trottle (username on here), some pages back, shared a story of a jambite sister who stayed with a school mother out something. And how the school mother kinda swapped her qarin with the jambite sister's. As a result, their fortunes turned around. The school mother that was hitherto doing badly started doing well and the sister the other way around. The sister did not know what was happening, of course. Then she was told the virtues of suratul Mulk, and started reading it every time and hey presto, her good fortunes returned. The school mother also got back her ill fortunes. According to trottle, the sister still doesn't know of this revelation and he only got to know 'cos the sister's malim ( who must have spiritually discerned what was happening) to him.

Lemme quickly chip in this: when one of my brothers-in law was gonna be promoted to a very juicy post where he works, the guy who currently occupied that post then didn't wanna let go and spitting fire, and was telling people what he w gonna do to my in law. After the whole shebang, my in law got the post effortlessly and that easy it. About five years later, this diabolical guy came running to my sister's hubby and started begging for forgiveness. Prior to his showing up in my in law's office, the guy had been terribly ill. He almost lost his life to the sickness. And when he got a bit better he rushed to my in law forgiveness and asking their co-workers to beg on his behalf.
What I'm driving at his Allah SWT was seriously dealing with this after the evil he must have done but my sis hubby didn't even know what was going on. My sis hubby no be alfa oo.. In fact, he learned to read Al quran after he got married to sis, I think or shortly before. However, this guy doesn't sleep. He observes tahajud and read Al quran every night continually since I've known him. He doesn't have ruhaniyah or any entity bent to his wills by Allah.
Thus one doesn't need to have a ruhaniyah before Allah SWT will help you destroy and conquer even the most darkest of magic. Perhaps if one had a ruhaniyah the process of destroying such dark magic would be relayed to one by the entity. Allahu allam

However, there are two impressions or insinuations or notions or implications I'd like to correct. 1: the idea that the salafi don't believe in spirituality. This has never gone down well with me—not 'cos I'm a self-proclaimed salafi, absolutely not, in fact eschew and detest all sorts sectarianism. My standpoint on this is hinged on first-hand experience.
Do you remember a post you made much earlier on the thread about a lecture by an ustaz titled why we left tijaniyyah, Empiree? That ustaz is someone I know pretty well, and obviously he's salafi. I've known him for over 10 years and in fact, if I go to my father's house I offer salat in his masjid, as yet are in the same vicinity.
When we (my family) moved into our house back then was when we met him, and he was favoured by us all. My mother, most of her life, could only eat very little food then. My late father (may Allah SWT forgive him) approached this ustaz and explained condition of my mother. He asked my father to a key of water and prayed in it for my mother to drink. The rest, they say, is history. She's been eating all right since then but of course, not like me
Did i mention she had been taken everywhere, as in everywhere, hospitals, churches, baba alawo, alfas, everywhere.

After the remarkable improvement in her eating, my father thought, why not if not. He approached this same ustaz again but, this time, on behalf of my Abuja-based elder sister. She had been having chronic pain in one of her breasts after she got married. Scans from different hospitals revealed zilch. She spent and, overspent self. She travelled Abuja to Lagos to Edo to everywhere. She went to a particular baba alawo in kubwa, Abuja. This alawo revealed everything, the village people that did it and how they did it. She was asked to do sordid and objectionable things I can't write here. When she went to the alawo the next time, the guy was singing another tune because village had gone to meet him.
My sis vowed never to go to alawo again and she continued to bear pain for some more years. And today, if wherever/whatever you're taking/bringing her is not Islamic count her out. Eventually she came to Lagos to meet this salafi ustaz who prayed for and was it. Up on till now, she's still appreciative off what the ustaz did for her.
This same salafi ustaz prayed for a guy that was rushed to his masjid after being hit with jazz, the guy vomited a kola nut during the prayer and got better. I can go on and on.
This same salafi ustaz once said the major spiritual attacks he faces are from fellow alfas and that the jinn they sent always hanging around his masjid's perimeter fence. How could he have uttered such a statement if the so-called Alu sunnah don't believe in spirituality, huh?
So, the sufis should dispel the preconception that the salafi don't believe in spiritual stuff. Perhaps the concept of or the approach to spirituality is different in both sects.
Make I go pray.

What a thread this is. I can't believe I've gone through pages 1 to 91. I mean that's wow!!!!! This is arguably and unarguably the best thread in the Islam section. Thank you for this thread emekaraj and I'm also extending my appreciation to the "middle path man" himself; Empiree , the most inquisitive mind on here; Ladunal , the utterly mysterious guy; ikupakuti , and others who have made this thread an excellent and eye-opening, and mind-boggling one. Thank you, all.

Godsfavour78:
they should quit having sex.? Nigga DAT na carry talk na. Abi you gae

You don't geddit, do you? The reason these guys died is that they wanted to sexually satisfy a woman, and they are not the only ones looking to take a woman on a long sexcapade. In fact, there are many more guys out there with this inconceivable, self-imposed obligation to give a woman sex of her life. Most of the time I don't blame 'cos we always hear women labelling some guys one-minute men and these guys in trying to put In a shift in their next encounter with these women consume toxic substances sometimes. What do they do in turn to help themselves? Nothing.
I know a guy who can sex for hours without climaxing. He is wired that way. And you don't see him blaming his girlfriends for his predicaments. He always tries his level best to achieve orgasm. Women should do so as well.

Empiree:
of course I will complete it. I have been preparing for a long trip for a week now and was really busy few days ago. Currently in Germany and I'm out of my network stronghold. Took long to even post this one. Just loading loading and loading. Will be in nice WiFi area soon

All right, then. Please take your time.
Hmm, already rubbing me palms together...

Empiree:
So me and Laitan went out. He took me to Brother Tunde. The area is "agbole" from one corner to another here and there. I was thinking to myself 'where are we going'. Here he is, brother Tunde. Just a normal yoruba guy wearing simple agbada type with sokoto sofe, probably in his late 20s. I was only 20 at the time. I even said to him "salaam alaikum". Whether he heard or not, he simply did not reply. My mind was that Laitan is taking to me Alfa. Remember Laitan is just a teenager, slightly taller than me, absolutely light skinned like myself but he got 10 kobo brain . He must be big man now. Hope to see him and Taslim again, in sha Allah. Malim (Masjid leader and his family member) called us 'brothers' but called me 'bororo'. I earned that title from him. When Sheikh Agbarigidoma passed away i was the first to break the news to them on my way to school early in the morning after i heard the news on Alhaji Ali Agan's program who said the sheikh just passed away mins ago. Na so everyone dey say "bororo" broke the news.

We went inside Brother Tunde's room and behold! he is 100% babalawo. I dont been mischievous Alfa. He is not Alfa. This is my first time ever set my eyes on alawo rituals den exactly the way it is in the movies. I only seen them in the movies but never in the real world despite being from Ijebu bcus we are muslim in my family and had nothing to do with Yoruba culture or religion except cultural dances in school. Thats it. I was confused for a few seconds. Thought to myself this guy was supposed to take me to Alfa ni ke?. But i didnt want to raise eyebrows. I go with the flow.

Brother Tunde handed me a little piece of thing like cowry. Told me to say something to it after placing money. Told him I am only a student. Still get little stipend from papa. He said 'dont worry..just any amount.' Five naira was valuable at the time and i remembered placing #5 on his ifa wooden plate. It is exactly like Yoruba movies and still couldn't believe a whole muslim like me in this situation?. Anyways, i collected cowry from him and as far as i am concern, i am a muslim and very well aware of hadith which speaks about salat of a muslim who visits soothsayer and believes in what he tells him has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad(saw).

Or

“Whoever goes to a soothsayer and asks him about something and believes him, his prayer will not be accepted for forty days.” (Narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh). Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen gave 3 categories of those who visit fortunetellers, of one of which is not kufr. So basically i was well aware of this hadith at the time. Few years ago on "Jinn Stories" thread opened by tbaba, tbaba accused me of this kind of thing when i narrated my experiences. He said "this kind of things (shirk, fortunetellers, awo, agemo etc) are paramount in ijebu side due to story of ruhaniya i narrated. He assumed i had something to do with alawo stuff not knowing that Islam has more, a lot more to offer beyond daily obligatory salat, zakat, ramadan, hajj. We have our spiritual part in Islam. We have the idea of consulting Alfa in islam. Don't let this new ideology in town tells you there is nothing like that. There are people, who after finishing salah, stand up and go back to their activities. There are people on the other side who, after finishing salat, sit down and make Istighfar. These are warasikhuna fil ilmi, the Muttaqun. These are the people you go to for your problems. Let them help you speak to God. We are not equal. Some are closer to Allah than others.


When i grabbed his cowry, I am used to saying lots of salawat a lot from childhood. So the first thing i said quietly was send salam on the prophet(saw) 10x. I didnt even know what else to say after that and handed back his cowry. He said his deities stuff bla bla bla bla bla bla until he said "e la han mi" At some point i thought i was acting yoruba movies the way the whole thing played out. After he finished everything he was very true. He described xyz involved and insisted if i wasn't sure he would give more details about the family descriptions and point out specific fellow. I said go ahead and tell me. He did and gave me two people. Of the two people, he said the tall one acts crazy and runs her mouth but that all she got. She has no evil intention towards anyone. To be honest, i know the person he referred to. His descriptions were correct. And in real world i have no problems with the fellow either. I only preferred to stay away from he/she due to character differences. Brother Tunde proceeded and described the second one as short and very quiet. Wallahi he was right. He said this is the one. You and this fellow dont get along and at the same time you dont confront one another either. Again, he is right. I know the fellow he is talking about. But i did not act like i was excited about his findings. I was just looking like dummy but i understood him well. But from my expression he thought i doubted him. Because of my reaction, he said if i am not sure of his findings, if i can afford #5000 and come back to him, he would call the fellow's spirit and i will see him/her live and ask the fellow questions i want. Wallahi, that kinda got me excited. i wanted to see that movie . It was gonna be fun but i got no money. But, again, I pretended and played dumb. I simply did not want to give him some sort of credit.

I asked him if the fellow would know if he calls his/her spirit and i speak to him/her?. Brother Tunde said 'absolutely'.



continued....

You can't leave us high and dry here, man You got us intrigued already, so you've got to continue.

dreamwords:
Someone can not just release in peace again these days

You wan release in peace? Then release outside.

Men can satisfy themselves during sex but women can't (at least most of the time) and then men took it upon themselves to equally sexually satisfy these women resulting in some men foolishly taking all sorts of concoctions and abusing drugs just to help their partners (most of whom would turn out ungrateful) have sexual satisfaction. If women cannot learn and master the art and science of sexual satisfaction, they should quit having sex abeg. The sooner men learn their is no such thing as ahh... sexually climatic obligation the better.