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Frenchkiss564:
And these people lived and dined with the prophet, saw him perform miracles, witnessed everything first hand and yet still stoop this low.

It is still a shock to me bro, if a Christian had told me this I would have swore with my life that none of the prophet's companion could perform this attraocities.

If we refused to talk about it how then are we different from the Christians with their "touch not my anointing thingy"

As in ehn. When I came to the realisation of some of the these truths I almost lost my mind. I never thought any of the supposedly pious sahaba could hurt a hair on anyone's skin but I was awfully wrong. And the final straw was when I read that it was our fellow Muslims, some of the people who wined and dined with rosool fa, who wiped out the lineage of our beloved prophet. Tears welled up in my eyes and I hated all of 'em for a while, but the hate subsided and I have stopped trying to model my life after them.

AlBaqir:
# There was actually a long period when Islamic history was rewritten by liars. Thieves and corrupt people were adorned with golden characters and promoted over ages as best; and naturally people bought that over the years. At the same time, pious people were swept under the carpet.

At a time, Ahmad ibn Hanbal started an ideological thought which continues till date that ALL sahabah with no exception are righteous and are paradise bound. And whoever abuse anyone of them is not a Muslim.


Islam with its fundamentals and practice is free from personalities. Therefore when you preach Islam, don't preach personalities. Preach Islam as it is.

And how do you know the truth? From example, an hadith tells you that Prophet did an irrational deed or engaged in a filthy act. On the other hand, Quran tells you that "Muhammad has the best and exalted character". It is rational to follow Quran and disregard that hadith even if it is labeled authentic. Only Quran is regarded as 100% truth. Other books are not.

Another example is how to identify liars. Kindly read:
https://www.nairaland.com/4169105/abu-huraira-biggest-fraud-sunni#62315797

Thanks.

AlBaqir:
@ aadoiza, Frenchkiss564

That's the reason some of these scholars don't teach Islamic history and if they will, they only tell you sweet parts and not sorry parts.

Second, they are introducing truth to you via personalities. This is why people feel greatly disappointed when they discovered the real truth about some of these persons. Imam Ali ibn Abi Taalib says:

"The religion of Allah is not recognized through men, but through a sign of truth. So, know the truth and you shall know it's people."


I am not proselytizing my thought but truth be told, this is why Sunni especially the salafis hate the Shia because the later question the truthfulness, righteousness and credibility of many sahabah based on existing clear facts. Imagine, sahabah who drink alcohol, rape, kill unjustly, lies, violate ruling of Quran and sunnah of the Prophet etc and you are asking me to respect such and if I don't, I will be label "heretic and kafir". I will rather accept to be labeled than following monsters.


And don't get me wrong sirs, there are exceptional and excellent sahabah whose righteousness is incomparable. It is however an insult to these great ones when you put them in the same basket with some of the hypocrites and monsters among them saying all of them are righteous.

The emboldened couldn't be truer. However, when a disproportionately large number among the supposedly best generation of Muslims reportedly carried out some of the most vile, gruesome and inhumane acts in history how then do I make outsiders see the truism in that purported statement by Ali and, ultimately, the truth in Islam?

Let me put it nicely: We Muslims are supposed to be the embodiments of Islam, as Islam is not an entity, but if the best of us had big question marks on their personalities what perception would a truth-seeker have of Islam?

What if she's making another wrong decision right now.

Evolution: The most potent spell in the world.

Frenchkiss564:
Omoh..... A lot of shit went down after the prophet's death.

some of these people that lives after his death aren't even as pious as we were led to believe. The truth can never be hidden for ever.

The day of judgement will surely churn out a lot of surprises but everyone will be busy with their own cup of tea.

may Allah save us

I feel you, my brother. The first time I heard how the so-called pious sahaba were warring amongst each other when rosool(SAW) had just left them, i lost 95% of my respect for them. I have never been so gutted in my life. Worse still, I learned it from a Christian. I could never have imagined those sahaba actually descended so low.
If I didn't know better I could have left the fold of Islam in the wake of the truth about the sahaba.

All this violence because of religion?

Empiree:


See bunch of confused people. She said she quit baking business bcuz of free mixing at wedding. She said baking for them is like "encouraging free mixing".

You (iamgenius) on the other hand said nothing wrong with baking cake for the wedding ceremony.

Who is confused here?

Again, where is evidence that birthdays are Haram?. She said a sheik said it is Haram. She didn't say Nabi (saw) said so.

I am wondering what Sunnah you guys follow?. It is obvious that you simply hate anyone whose manhaj is contrary to yours instead of looking for facts. Since you claim you follow sunnah, it only makes sense for you guys to provide proof from the Sunnah where it says birthdays are Haram. Onus lies on you not the contrary.

And I guess you guys have stopped romancing Islamqa website bcuz it no longer suits you, but the sister quoted owner of the site that birthday is Haram.

Talk about confusion

Empiree, you should also stop selling foodstuffs and bottled water to be cooked for and drank by guests at wedding events 'cos of the possibility of free-mixing at such events. In fact, never ever sell aso ebi to the potential attendees. You hear me?
Allah, bless your servants with common sense.

Akin1212:
Lol, you are always attacking a straw man. You don't need to make me the argument. I maintain, that I don't need to discover anything before I can discuss science. If you are not lazy in thinking, or perhaps you don't think at all, does that statement mean I will not discover anything or I will not carry out experiments?

Leave my approach to science out of it and tackle the issue, the topic of debate. You are not in the position to comment on my approach to science. Don't make it an issue, you're already unscientific to assume the rights to judge or make comments on how people approach science.

I don hear you.

Akin1212:
Lol, you are always attacking a straw man. You don't need to make me the argument. I maintain, that I don't need to discover anything before I can discuss science. If you are not lazy in thinking, or perhaps you don't think at all, does that statement mean I will not discover anything or I will not carry out experiments?

Leave my approach to science out of it and tackle the issue, the topic of debate. You are not in the position to comment on my approach to science. Don't make it an issue, you're already unscientific to assume the rights to judge or make comments on how people approach science.

I don hear you.

SKhanmi:
Cohort's? Wow. You obviously think am an atheist? Where do you stand sir?. Smh.

I never crosscarpet into Islamic threads.
Don't engage in verbal fisticuffs.
Nor make general assumptions.

Did you even try & find out ANYTHING? No?

Nuclear effects are not verifiable?! I give up then.

It won't be new if we slid into another dark age & later civilizations profess that H & N were destroyed by brimstone & fire.
Like anyone would love to tell them they are the runts of more advanced past civilizations. Humans capacity for self deceit is outstanding!.
Thanks for calling me a believer by the way. Everyone else thinks it's bloody ironic. There are better things than religions.

Truth is subjective. Keep that in mind & remember folks who resort to expletives to pass points probably have nothing else. To say.

If you're not an atheist then you certainly have got misgivings about your faith. You're slipping away, man.
What have you done to verify the region was actually nuked? You just can't read any drivel up in the guise of science and pass it off as facts.
If stating "you can't see beyond your nose" is what you called "resort to expletives" sorry for that. I never meant it that way.

SKhanmi:
Interesting....A Muslim asking me about proofs for an event in the Bible? An alternate? Well, is it physical, spiritual or metaphysical proof you want? I can actually point you in the right direction but a serious truth seeker would have seen me mention the results of nuclear war..its unique ... search & learn more on its effects,google desert nuclear tests, Hiroshima & Nagasaki. Then go find the real research about Sodom &Gomorrah(It's on the net,some scientists actually went there). You'll have your proof if you're really serious. The phrase nothing good comes easy also applies to knowledge. It is easier to be told & end up fooled than search by oneself. Which one is you?

It's a pity you can't see beyond your nose just like your cohorts. Well, I was merely pointing out the double standard you and your cohorts always exhibit on here. One account doesn't make sense because there is no verifiable proof but then you mischievously guzzled a weirdly concocted account in the absence of one, and you want to be taken seriously? Perhaps you lot don't actually know what a verifiable proof is.

You read claims by people on the Internet and call them knowledge and you think you've become knowledgeable(!) You're just a bloody believer, skhanmi.

Reed on a mission.

Na only oyinbo rubbish we sabi copy.

true2god:
Ad hominem. You can make your point without attacking strawman. We are all here to learn one thing or the other and you don't need to divert. The subject is There's No God But Allah? and you can defend your beliefs with a convincing argument. I think I understand Islam than most of you.

Where's the ad hominem in my post. I only pointed out the subtle ostentation in your ways in here.
Tell your atheist friends to convince us why atheism is the way instead.

Rilwayne001:
He's certainly not a true follower of Jesus. I'm sure of that. The Bible and Christianity has been exposed so much on the religion section for him to remain one. He's only here wishing and trying to make Islam appear usless like his Christianity is. He's on a futile mission with Taiwo.

The guy don fail already. Only fake atheists like tintingz would see sense in his facade.

Rilwayne001:
I know.. I know. I deliberately asked that even though I know he'll deflect it. He's always being a closet atheist that passionately hate Islam. I'm sure Truthman2012 is somewhere doing same too. Or probably somewhere collecting tithe. That one appears to like money than anything.. Haha

LOL!!!

lanrexlan:
He can't live without mocking and ridiculing religious people and their beliefs. That's the foundation of his belief. That thread is an eye opener but he is not ready to learn. To him, he already knows and religious people are deluded. He and his folks are the ones walking upright! Pathetic.

I have told him something similar. An atheist worried about multiple gods. For example, I believe Esther is barren and can't give birth to a baby. Then, how will the questions: "When did Esther put to bed? " "What's the gender of the baby?" "What's the complexion of the baby? " be relevant? Asking such questions will make me look plain stupid. But, he just wanna argue.


It is insecurity. He is looking for means to validate his misguidance. It is obvious with his meaningless threads and jumping from religion section to Islam section. He is NEVER sincere with himself.

I have never taken him seriously. Everyone can see he's obsessed with theism. Ask him and his ilks to tell you about atheism, they'll give you zilch in return.
Imagine scientists writing about the shoddy practices in the banking in their peer-reviewed journals yearly and failing to tell us what science has got for us, who would take them seriously ?

AlBaqir:
He seems to be lonely and desperately needs someone to "argue" with to double check his new beliefs. Very uncomfortable.

The thread is useless and uncalled for. Lots have been discussed here already:
https://www.nairaland.com/4641276/argument-possibility-necessity-does-god

To all so-called atheists (real and fake), the most important thing if at all they intend to argue is to discuss about EXISTENCE OF GOD. Someone that do not believe in existence of God, how would he believe in God's attributes (e.g wahdaniyyat - oneness of God)?

The guy simply intend to argue as a result of his mental instability. He's never sincere.

I told him to ease on his obsession with theism. It could kill him.

[quote author=spiritualmubi post=75205693][/quote]Albaqir gives you something to ponder on and reveals in his posts what an average Nigerian Muslim might not have come across in his/her years of practising Islam; but for our abject divisions along the line of sectarianism his posts, unfortunately, would be deemed agenda-pushing however honest they may seem.
It's a sad reality for us, Muslims.

SKhanmi:
All what you described are the effects of nuclear weaponry. Those cities were nuked.
One faction of gods were fighting against another. Some of those places are still radioactive. The truth is suppressed because they can't,won't or let you know that there were civilizations that were more advanced than our current one. All these PCs,nuclear weapons etc existed long ago. Only the people involved annihilated themselves. We're just rediscovering their exploits. Any new invention is a lie. They stole it or rediscovered it.

And the Bible is not supposed to be taken literally. Elijah's chariot of fire was something else. But it could only be described according to their culture then. Bring a stone age man to 2019 & show him a fighter jet & space station. How do you think he would explain it to his folks back home? Probably as a fierce bird on wheels that coughs fire & giant hut that flies. Now someone reading the same thing centuries later...will be quite naive to believe a bird could cough fire unless he knew what a jet looks like.

Give us proofs of these advanced weaponry and tech used then.

OpenYourEyes1:
Most Radiometric datings aren't reliable. Some are mere estimate with some margin of error.

Atheists don't wanna know that.

Stupidity reings only in Nigeria.

LordReed:
And your hypocrisy is unsurprising.

Hypocrisy: Nairalanders' favourite word. You should look up your comments on here and see for yourself.

LordReed:
Just admit you failed basic comprehension in primary school lets help you.

You're very funny, Reed. You're gonna provide proofs for that claim.

LordReed:
Actual it pokes its fingers up your arse and gives you a good tickle.

Atheists and their predilection for vulgarism is never surprising.

LordReed:
Take you own advice since your current level of comprehension is incapable of allowing you carry out a decent conversation.

Oh, sorry. So you were looking for a decent conversation but the only one way you could set the ball rolling was to mischievously and unashamedly ignored the premise upon which my post was based. Nice try.

LordReed:
I sure do.

Your usage of the word screams to the contrary.

LordReed:
I addressed that directly by pointing to how our forefathers may have had to try to eat a variety of things to figure out which is edible or not and you come back with go and eat glass, that to you is a reasonable response?

No one's talking about your forefathers. You atheists should learn comprehension. Very important for your derisory course.

LordReed:
Clueless apologists everywhere.

You actually don't know what clueless means, do you?

LordReed:
So you completely ignored the point being made just so you can be facetious?

You were the first to ignore the reason for citing the guy with inconceivable delicacies.